Newbie

[Guest guest]

Hey

When I read that you have four boys I had to respond I too have four

boys (14,10,6, 1.5). Plus I noticed that it did not seem as though

anyone responded to you.

I don't know how long you have read what has been talked about in the

forum but even if you see an endo it does not mean that your problems

are over. I was diagnosed 13.5 years ago, after birth of first

child. Because my father had thyroid I thought it was normal to never

feel good again. He still has symptoms and problems. It was not

until a year ago when I wanted desperately to loose weight that I

stumbled across Shomons book Living well with hypothyroidism. I

recomend that and also that you go to the site

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ there is alot of good info in

there also. I have good info it is just finding a good doctor that

will listen.

As far as the meds go I would go online to a pharmacy web site and

get a dose of

Armour.http://www.internationalpharmacy.com/en/default.aspx after you

find the info on dosage at the madness site

I am getting ready to change docs again as this one is demanding

labs labs to see if she wants to change my meds to a normal dose (per

info on stop madness). I keep getting meds pushed at me that are for

the symptoms of thyroid rather than thyroid so investigate take notes

and do what your body needs. I am still far from where I need to be

I know cause the brain fog is far from gone. I am not a genius by

any means but when I can't keep a conversation going due to lack of

remembering simple words it is bad.

-- In hypothyroidism , " kisstheskydragonfly "

<kisstheskydragonfly@...> wrote:

>

> Hi guys. Thanks for having this group on here and thank you for

> allowing my membership. It is a blessing finding you guys on here.

>

> My name is Cherish. I am a mom to four boys (10,8,6,4). I am 31

years

> old and a month ago diagnosed hypothyroidism.

>

> I am waiting on my specialist appt at University of Washington with

> their Endocrinology Center. Finally got a call yesterday that I

will

> be seen June 29. Is this typical of the wait after diagnosis to get

> treated?

>

> My doc has not put me on any meds yet. I am not certain if it is

> because he doesn't know what to do or if it is because it is

Community

> Health.

>

> This diagnosis journey began when I was urgently admitted to the

ER. I

> tried to be seen at Community Health, they diverted me to Urgent

Care

> UC diverted me to the ER as they felt it was an electrolyte issue.

I

> was suffering severe confusion, bad bloating all over my body,

> particularly in my abdomen(I had been consuming excessive amounts

of

> tap water while performing a colon flush/detox, instead of the

desired

> effect I could not go to the bathroom at all and gained 12 pounds)

leg

> cramps and I had the worst headache of my life. It was horrible. I

was

> fading into and out of consciousness and the stupid ER believed I

> was " high " or something as they ran the minimum test CBC and told

me

> there was nothing wrong. Two nurses had asked if they could follow

my

> case because they were concerned and were curious to see what was

> wrong. Even with my husband there in a panic, they did not take my

> health seriously. So the next day my husband took me back to

Community

> Health and said here are her labs she needs to be seen ASAP we

still

> don't know what is wrong and she is extremely ill. My sugar was

high

> so the Med Ass. said maybe it was diabetes and they got me in the

next

> day. The doc I saw pulled a " House " and shook my hands(Icesicles),

> felt my throat, watched me swallow from behind deiscreetly and

asked

> about my depression(past history) and periods(9 days and heavy

entire

> time minus one day). Ran some tests TWICE and I had my baseline

from 4

> years ago sent on TSH to his office too. I can't remember which was

> which or even if these are right numbers but one was .015 and the

> other was 14.7 (I think.) He calls me and tells me this and says he

is

> referring me to UW Endocrinology for hypothyroidism. I assumed I

would

> get in right away.

>

> I have had the symptoms for years, now that I look online and see

what

> it is about. Depression, inability to lose weight, hairloss,

fatigue,

> sensitivity to cold, memory loss etc. Now they are severe, my hands

> are always freezing and aching, as is much of my body. I will get

> these spells where I am so cold that layers of clothes and blankets

> aren't helping and I will tell my spouse or children I am so cold

and

> tired, body is so heavy I can't move, and within the minute I am

out

> cold asleep and no matter how hard I try to stay awake I can't.

These

> happen at all times during the day and evening. It is overpowering

and

> frightening. I was a half an hour late picking my kids up from

school

> the other day because of a spell like this. The " fatigue " has

become

> debilitating. The memory loss issue is a huge complaint too. Some

days

> I am hour to hour, some days I can remember stuff from the day

before

> in detail, some days I can't remember what happened 2 minutes ago,

my

> once intelligent sounding self sounds much like a fourth grade

> graduate. It is all over the place. The memory loss has been

affecting

> me pretty hard for the last 6 years, I always assumed it was

a " cling-

> on " from the Post Partum Depression and clinical depression I had

> after my third son was born. I had two days last week where I

> literally woke up in the deepest depression I had ever experienced

and

> had nothing, nothing I could pinpoint as a catalyst. I have been

> continueing to gain weight even though my appetite is so much

smaller.

> I am eating 1/3 as much as I was before and gaining about a pound a

> week. (No I am not pregnant.)My symptoms are getting worse and

worse.

>

> My entire mother's side of the family is thyroid afflicted. My

Mother,

> Aunt, two Uncles have all had part or all of theirs removed, my

> Grandmother had thyroid cancer and my last Uncle is on thyroid

meds.

> My Mother had nodules removed from her's when she was 26.

>

> I am all over the place in this letter and I apologize for that. I

am

> just really eager to hear what you all have to say about this and

find

> out about how to be my own advocate, if need be, to get going on

> something to relieve this crap! I am willing to hear any and all

> advice you might have!

>

> Thanks for listening.

> Cherish

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Cherish,

>

> I would suggest you call the doctor who has seen you and ask for a

> prescription on the basis of the TSH until you can be seen by your

> specialist. The sooner you get started on your titration dosage the

> sooner you will start to feel better. This could take six weeks

anyway.

>

> Chuck

>

Thanks Chuck for the advice. I did nd he would not give me a script.

Out of desperation, I do believe I am going to look for a place to buy

Armour without a script until I can be seen by the endo. Thanks for

responding.

Cherish

[Guest guest]

>

> Hey

> When I read that you have four boys I had to respond I too have

four boys (14,10,6, 1.5).

that is awesme. Looks like you were smart and took a good break

between each boy. ;)Four boys are certainly a challenge but very

fun. I used to wish for a litle girl so badly, but now I wouldn't

have it any other way.

> I recomend that and also that you go to the site

> http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ there is alot of good info

> in there also.

This was a very interesting site. Thanks for the referral.

> As far as the meds go I would go online to a pharmacy web site and

> get a dose of

Armour.http://www.internationalpharmacy.com/en/default.aspx after

you find the info on dosage at the madness site

I will do this. Thanks for the link. I will keep you updated.

> I know cause the brain fog is far from gone. I am not a genius by

> any means but when I can't keep a conversation going due to lack

> of remembering simple words it is bad.

I completely sympathize. I hope that it is better for you though now.

Thank you for responding and the great advice. ttys~ Cherish

[Guest guest]

Cherish,

You wrote:

>

> Thanks Chuck for the advice. I did nd he would not give me a script. ...

That is criminal.

> Out of desperation, I do believe I am going to look for a place to buy

> Armour without a script until I can be seen by the endo. ...

First, that will be difficult to do and is illegal. Secondly, it could

screw up your titration, since Armour is notorious for suppressing the

TSH much more than T4. Be sure to let the endo know if you have already

started Armour. You should at least get the last blood test to the endo

before your appointment. He might consider moving up your appointment if

he sees how high your TSH is.

Get a new doctor.

Chuck

[Guest guest]

NO it most assuredly is not illegal. We are allowed to import a 3 month

supply of medication for our personal use. Blood tests are totally useless

with Armour.

gracia

> Out of desperation, I do believe I am going to look for a place to buy

> Armour without a script until I can be seen by the endo. ...

First, that will be difficult to do and is illegal. Secondly, it could

screw up your titration, since Armour is notorious for suppressing the

TSH much more than T4. Be sure to let the endo know if you have already

started Armour. You should at least get the last blood test to the endo

before your appointment. He might consider moving up your appointment if

he sees how high your TSH is.

Get a new doctor.

Chuck

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[Guest guest]

How do we know that Armour suppresses TSH more than T4?

Kerry

Re: Re: Newbie

Cherish,

You wrote:

>

> Thanks Chuck for the advice. I did nd he would not give me a script.

> ...

That is criminal.

> Out of desperation, I do believe I am going to look for a place to buy

> Armour without a script until I can be seen by the endo. ...

First, that will be difficult to do and is illegal. Secondly, it could

screw up your titration, since Armour is notorious for suppressing the

TSH much more than T4. Be sure to let the endo know if you have already

started Armour. You should at least get the last blood test to the endo

before your appointment. He might consider moving up your appointment if

he sees how high your TSH is.

Get a new doctor.

Chuck

[Guest guest]

Gracia,

You wrote:

>

> NO it most assuredly is not illegal. We are allowed to import a 3 month

> supply of medication for our personal use. ...

Under the following FDA restrictions (Regulatory Procedures Manual,

Chapter 9, Subchapter: Coverage of Personal Importations) an individual

my import a three month supply of an approved drug without a

prescription under the following restrictions:

1. the intended use is unapproved and for a serious condition for

which effective treatment may not be available domestically either

through commercial or clinical means;

2. there is no known commercialization or promotion to persons

residing in the U.S. by those involved in the distribution of the

product at issue;

3. the product is considered not to represent an unreasonable risk; and

4. the individual seeking to import the product affirms in writing

that it is for the patient’s own use (generally not more than 3 month

supply) and provides the name and address of the doctor licensed in the

U.S. responsible for his or her treatment with the product, or provides

evidence that the product is for the continuation of a treatment begun

in a foreign country.

Most shippers, such as FEDX, require that you present a doctor's

statement that you are hypothyroid and under their treatment. That is

tantamount to a prescription. Plus, a three month supply is hardly a

solution to the need for a lifetime supply.

Here is an excerpt from a letter from the FDA to a lawyer named Lombardi

at The Kullman Firm, dated Feb 12, 2003:

[begin quote] There has been some confusion about whether FDA's Personal

Importation policy changes the law with respect to personal imports of

pharmaceuticals. This confusion is reflected in your letter. The

Personal Importation policy is used to guide the agency's enforcement

discretion with respect to imports by individuals of drugs for their

personal use. Under certain defined circumstances, as a matter of

enforcement discretion, FDA allows consumers to import otherwise illegal

drugs. Under this policy, FDA permits individuals and their physicians

to bring into the United States small quantities of drugs sold abroad

for a patient's treatment of a serious condition for which effective

treatment may not be available domestically. This approach has been

applied to products that do not present an unreasonable risk and for

which there is no known commercialization and promotion to persons

residing in the U.S. A patient seeking to import such a product must

also provide the name of the licensed physician in the U.S. responsible

for his or her treatment with the unapproved drug product. See FDA

Regulatory Procedures Manual, Chapter 9, Subchapter: Coverage of

Personal Importations.

However, this policy is not intended to allow importation of foreign

versions of drugs that are approved in the U.S., particularly when the

foreign versions of such drugs are being " commercialized " to U.S.

citizens. (Foreign versions are often what Canadian pharmacies offer to

sell to U.S. consumers.) Moreover, the policy simply describes the

agency's enforcement priorities. It does not change the law, and it

does not give a license to persons to import or export illegal drugs

into the United States. Although we must concede that FDA has not often

prosecuted those importing illegal drugs into the United States from

Canada, FDA reserves the right to do so in the appropriate circumstance.

[end quote]

That letter rather bluntly states that it IS illegal without a

prescription, but that the FDA and customs, as a matter of enforcement

policy, MAY choose not to prosecute for a three month supply under the

guidelines.

Chuck

[Guest guest]

" The thing that bugs me is that the people think the FDA is protecting them. It

isn't. What the FDA is doing and what the public thinks it is doing are as

different as night and day. " -Herbert Lay, M.D., former FDA Commissioner.

My assumption is that she plans on a 3 month supply and by the end of the 3rd

month she will have found an endocrinologist who is compatible with her to then

prescribe the Armour.

Chuck B <gumboyaya@...> wrote:

Gracia,

You wrote:

>

> NO it most assuredly is not illegal. We are allowed to import a 3 month

> supply of medication for our personal use. ...

Under the following FDA restrictions (Regulatory Procedures Manual,

Chapter 9, Subchapter: Coverage of Personal Importations) an individual

my import a three month supply of an approved drug without a

prescription under the following restrictions:

1. the intended use is unapproved and for a serious condition for

which effective treatment may not be available domestically either

through commercial or clinical means;

2. there is no known commercialization or promotion to persons

residing in the U.S. by those involved in the distribution of the

product at issue;

3. the product is considered not to represent an unreasonable risk; and

4. the individual seeking to import the product affirms in writing

that it is for the patient’s own use (generally not more than 3 month

supply) and provides the name and address of the doctor licensed in the

U.S. responsible for his or her treatment with the product, or provides

evidence that the product is for the continuation of a treatment begun

in a foreign country.

Most shippers, such as FEDX, require that you present a doctor's

statement that you are hypothyroid and under their treatment. That is

tantamount to a prescription. Plus, a three month supply is hardly a

solution to the need for a lifetime supply.

Here is an excerpt from a letter from the FDA to a lawyer named Lombardi

at The Kullman Firm, dated Feb 12, 2003:

[begin quote] There has been some confusion about whether FDA's Personal

Importation policy changes the law with respect to personal imports of

pharmaceuticals. This confusion is reflected in your letter. The

Personal Importation policy is used to guide the agency's enforcement

discretion with respect to imports by individuals of drugs for their

personal use. Under certain defined circumstances, as a matter of

enforcement discretion, FDA allows consumers to import otherwise illegal

drugs. Under this policy, FDA permits individuals and their physicians

to bring into the United States small quantities of drugs sold abroad

for a patient's treatment of a serious condition for which effective

treatment may not be available domestically. This approach has been

applied to products that do not present an unreasonable risk and for

which there is no known commercialization and promotion to persons

residing in the U.S. A patient seeking to import such a product must

also provide the name of the licensed physician in the U.S. responsible

for his or her treatment with the unapproved drug product. See FDA

Regulatory Procedures Manual, Chapter 9, Subchapter: Coverage of

Personal Importations.

However, this policy is not intended to allow importation of foreign

versions of drugs that are approved in the U.S., particularly when the

foreign versions of such drugs are being " commercialized " to U.S.

citizens. (Foreign versions are often what Canadian pharmacies offer to

sell to U.S. consumers.) Moreover, the policy simply describes the

agency's enforcement priorities. It does not change the law, and it

does not give a license to persons to import or export illegal drugs

into the United States. Although we must concede that FDA has not often

prosecuted those importing illegal drugs into the United States from

Canada, FDA reserves the right to do so in the appropriate circumstance.

[end quote]

That letter rather bluntly states that it IS illegal without a

prescription, but that the FDA and customs, as a matter of enforcement

policy, MAY choose not to prosecute for a three month supply under the

guidelines.

Chuck

[Guest guest]

Kerry,

You wrote:

> How do we know that Armour suppresses TSH more than T4?

It was in one of those papers to which the American Association of

Clinical Endocrinologists referred when they recommended that the

reference range be changed under treatment. The National Academy of

Clinical Biochemists was even more extreme in their recommendation,

particularly at the low end. Evidently, it is the T3 component that does

this, so Cytomel would also call for a shift in range.

Chuck

[Guest guest]

Chuck, my mother is in a wheelchair in and out of hospital, total basket

case, on 30mg Armour b/c of TSH. I have spoken to more doctors than I

thought existed. They screw it up so very bad. She has no mental

faculties to advocate for herself, every week they drag her off to mental

hospital for eval. We are absolutely powerless. We should not remain

sick and held hostage to a faulty system.

Gracia

" The thing that bugs me is that the people think the FDA is protecting them.

It isn't. What the FDA is doing and what the public thinks it is doing are

as different as night and day. " -Herbert Lay, M.D., former FDA

Commissioner.

My assumption is that she plans on a 3 month supply and by the end of the

3rd month she will have found an endocrinologist who is compatible with her

to then prescribe the Armour.

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[Guest guest]

,

You wrote:

>

> My assumption is that she plans on a 3 month supply and by the end of

> the 3rd month she will have found an endocrinologist who is compatible

> with her to then prescribe the Armour.

>

Perhaps I have just been spoiled by always being able to get in to see

doctors on short notice; perhaps it is because I have never insisted on

Armour, but it seems that with all the hoops you have to jump through to

comply with the FDA loophole, some of which might call for false

representations or a doctor's note anyway, it would be much easier to

just find a doctor now.

This strategy would make sense if the three month supply were already in

hand. However, even with perfect compliance and documentation, your

shipment could still be seized by Customs and held up for months. When

my mother in law was still living, we ordered some prescriptions meds

for her from Canada, since she did not have insurance. It took months

before we got anything.

Chuck

[Guest guest]

>

> au contraire

> I have always gotten my order within the week. I order cortef every 3

> months b/c it is cheaper, even with insurance and Rx. HGH also comes in

> a week.

> Gracia

>

>> ,

>>

>> You wrote:

>>>

>>> My assumption is that she plans on a 3 month supply and by the end of

>>> the 3rd month she will have found an endocrinologist who is compatible

>>> with her to then prescribe the Armour.

>>>

>>

>> Perhaps I have just been spoiled by always being able to get in to see

>> doctors on short notice; perhaps it is because I have never insisted on

>> Armour, but it seems that with all the hoops you have to jump through to

>> comply with the FDA loophole, some of which might call for false

>> representations or a doctor's note anyway, it would be much easier to

>> just find a doctor now.

>>

>> This strategy would make sense if the three month supply were already in

>> hand. However, even with perfect compliance and documentation, your

>> shipment could still be seized by Customs and held up for months. When

>> my mother in law was still living, we ordered some prescriptions meds

>> for her from Canada, since she did not have insurance. It took months

>> before we got anything.

>>

>> Chuck

>>

>>

>

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[Guest guest]

" Gracia " <circe@...> wrote:

> My assumption is that she plans on a 3 month supply and by

the > end of the 3rd month she will have found an endocrinologist

who is > compatible with her to then prescribe the Armour.

Well I only purchased one bottle. If it works, then I will get more

if I need it before my Endo appt. I don't have the money to waste on

medicine or doctors that aren't going to help right now. I have

already spent too much on tests and this doctor who would not give

me a script for anything. At the point in time when I went to my

doctor I was willing to take anything that would help my thyroid,

anything. He asked if I was taking thyroid suppliments (?) and I

told him no but if he knew of " anything " I would be willing to

try...and I got a big ol nothing response. I do not have the money

to go doctor hunting. I simply have to pray that the Endo I have an

appt with June 29 is a good doctor that listens to symptoms and not

labs alone.

All I am trying to do folks is feel better so I can care for my four

kids, myself, my spouse and my home. I have been absent from my life

for far too long and now that I know what is going on, get er done

and get er treated already!

Cherish

[Guest guest]

Chuck B <gumboyaya@...> wrote:

> However, even with perfect compliance and documentation, your

> shipment could still be seized by Customs and held up for months. .

That would suck! I din't know that could happen. I am praying that it

doesn't. I will let you know when they arrive (if). ~Cherish

[Guest guest]

kisstheskydragonfly wrote:

> Chuck B <gumboyaya@...> wrote:

>

> > However, even with perfect compliance and documentation, your

> > shipment could still be seized by Customs and held up for months. .

>

> That would suck! I din't know that could happen. I am praying that it

> doesn't. I will let you know when they arrive (if). ~Cherish

Good luck with it. This never happened to me personally, but I seem to

recall others on this list who were counting on medications that never

arrived due to Customs seizures. My earlier comment on the time it takes

was mainly based on the two weeks it took to set up an account with

doctor prescriptions for restricted meds (pain killers) for the first

shipment. Subsequent orders had no delay. Also, we were ordering more

than three months at a time. It may well be quicker for a nonrestricted

" sample. "

Chuck

[Guest guest]

If its any help Cherish I have never lost anything to customs and they

open it every time!

Re: Newbie

Chuck B <gumboyaya@...> wrote:

> However, even with perfect compliance and documentation, your

> shipment could still be seized by Customs and held up for months. .

That would suck! I din't know that could happen. I am praying that it

doesn't. I will let you know when they arrive (if). ~Cherish

[Guest guest]

I struggled for 30 years on no meds after partial thyroidectomy and was

really almost dead when I borrowed some Armour. I know that it is not a

given that docs will help us get better and be healthy.

Gracia

> All I am trying to do folks is feel better so I can care for my four

> kids, myself, my spouse and my home. I have been absent from my life

> for far too long and now that I know what is going on, get er done

> and get er treated already!

>

> Cherish

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi and welcome to the group. I have saved the calculation for your height in my

e-mails, as follows:

5' 2 " = 157.48cm (from my Google search for conversion). So this would mean

(using a template from a previous post from Bee)::

Your height in centimetres, which is 157, and deduct

100 = 57 which is the grams of protein per day.

Take 57 x 2.5 for low end of fats = 142 grams

Take 57 x 3.5 for high end of fats = 200 grams

Take 57 x 0.8 for carbs = 46 grams

Therefore your ratios per day are:

protein 57 grams

fats 142 to 200 grams

carbs 46 grams

I rounded your height in centimetres and if you included the 0.48cm it would

only make a small difference to the final calculations, which I don't think

matters that much.

You've found the right place for support!

Jen

[Guest guest]

Thanks Jen. I had been up since 1 in the morning and I just couldn't

comprehend. I have not been sleeping well for the past few weeks.

Jess

>

> Hi and welcome to the group. I have saved the calculation for your

height in my e-mails, as follows:

>

> 5' 2 " = 157.48cm (from my Google search for conversion). So this

would mean (using a template from a previous post from Bee)::

>

> Your height in centimetres, which is 157, and deduct

> 100 = 57 which is the grams of protein per day.

>

> Take 57 x 2.5 for low end of fats = 142 grams

> Take 57 x 3.5 for high end of fats = 200 grams

> Take 57 x 0.8 for carbs = 46 grams

>

> Therefore your ratios per day are:

> protein 57 grams

> fats 142 to 200 grams

> carbs 46 grams

>

> I rounded your height in centimetres and if you included the 0.48cm

it would only make a small difference to the final calculations,

which I don't think matters that much.

>

> You've found the right place for support!

>

> Jen

>

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi everyone. I just joined the group and I wanted to formally

> introduce myself. I am 23 years old and I have had a problem with

> yeast for about 3 years now (on and off I think).

==>Hi. What is your name? Welcome to our group!

>I have been on and off the low carb / low sugar diet and have

alleviated the foods I seem to have sensitivities to from my diet but

this still seems to be an ongoing problem for me. I decided I need

support because this is a tough thing for me to beat and I need

guidance. It is also nice to know I am not alone.

>

> I have been reading the links and came across the optimal diet. I

am so confused as to how to calculate the amount of carbs and fats I

am supposed to have daily. I am 5'2 " (or 157.5 centimeters) and

weigh 110 pounds (or 49.9 kg). I understand that my protein intake

should be 57.7 +- 5.8 and that is about how far I have gotten with

this calculation. Can someone please explain to me how to calculate

this in plain english? I am so confused with the ratios:

>

> " The ideal proportion between the main food components of protein,

> fat and carbohydrates should be in the range of: 1 : 2.5 - 3.5 :

0.8. "

>

> That statement confuses me. Is that a ratio of proteins to fat and

> then proteins to carbs?

==>I think you were helped with the ratio calculations, but yes it is

1 protein gram to 2.5 - 3.5 fat grams to .8 carb grams. Therefore at

5'2 " your protein grams are 57 so taking 57 X 2.5 = low fat grams and

57 X 3.5 = high fat grams, and 57 X .8 = carb grams.

>

> This is complicated and I almost don't know where to begin. I have

> never even thought about monitoring my food intake with proportions

> but I am sick and tired of the side effects of having the excess

> yeast. I just want my gut to return to homeostasis.

==>I hear you my friend. It does seem complicated at first, and it

is frustrating to not understand the ratios. Take a few deep breaths

slowly and start one step at a time. See the very first folder in

our files which contains Candida, How to Get Started, which will help

you understand it is important not to increase your proteins too high

and lower carbs too fast without increasing fats as well. We're here

to help and support you any way we can.

The very best in health, Bee

[Guest guest]

Welcome Greg

greg drolette <gdrole@...> wrote: Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 22:58:48 -0700

(PDT)

From: greg drolette <gdrole@...>

Subject: newbie

nieema0@...

Hello Nieema0

Not sure how this works, I guess I'll learn as I go

along. I've been a candida sufferer for the last 1

1/2 years, that is, I know I've had it at least that

long.

So many cures, remadies, hard to know what's best.

I'm on Candex, PB8, ThreeLac, as well as a very very

striced candida diet. I went off a little the last 2

weeks, and my candida is coming back.

I'm 46, been a health nut most of my life, worked out

4 to 5 days a week, most of my life, no drugs,

alcohol, cigarets. But lots of antibiotics, which I

know is the cause.

I have cronic fatigue, which has dibilitated me and I

can't work, or exersize. I'm taking a great vitamine

regiment and taking the above candida remidies. Back

on my diet, white meats, fish, green leafy veggies.

No sugars, carbos, breads, grains, wheats, flours, no

coffee, and those are just a few.

Would love to hear from you, and get started in this

support group and gather info. Hope to hear from you.

gdrole

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi there...

>

> I have been reading the posts and find them interesting. I have yet

> to go to the folders and read anything. I tend to jump in with both

> feet before reading everything through. So I'm trying not to do

that.

==>Hi Debi. Welcome to our group. Please do read the information

emailed to you when you joined - it is required reading so you can

enter into discussions and ask appropriate questions. The two

articles are " How to Successfully Overcome Candida " and our Group

Rules & Guidelines. It also helps me and my moderators out a lot so

we don't have to address questions answered in the articles.

>

> I was diagnosed with MS in 2001. Now I see a lot of info that says

> MS symptoms mimic Candida and so on. Fatigue is one, mood swings

and so on. Which I have had and I'm miserable! I was never like that

> either. I was on 2 differnt types of injectable drugs. I have gone

> off of these and now just taking 3.5 mg of LDN (low dose

naltraxone) which halts the progression of MS.

>

> I take about 46 different vitamins a day. I also take cod liver

oil. I made an appoitment with a Dietitian and asked if she did

anything with Candida. She knows about it, so I want to present her

with info on it and see what she can do for me. I'm not one that can

follow instructions well (anymore) without someone to help guide me.

So I'm hoping she will be the one.. I haven't been diagnosed with

Candida yet, but have some of the symptoms. My tongue has the white

coating on it, constipated, just feel icky.

==>All M.S. sufferers have candida. You may be taking too many

vitamins, which can be overwhelming to the body. Nutrients from

foods are the most important aspect of getting well, and this diet is

different because it includes plenty of good nature-made fats which

are essential to health. These important fats help re-build nerve

sheaths which have broken down due to M.S.

The best in health, Bee

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi I'm a newbie here and am glad to find you all and

especially " Aunt Bee " !

==>Hi . Welcome to our group. You just joined yesterday so

you need to take the time to read the information emailed to you

when you joined, which is required reading for this group. We

aren't like other groups my friend, which you'll understand after

you read.

> I just returned from a family reunion in Mexico and the sunshine

and all the fun activities helped my health, but I splurged on a bit

of sugar and the yeast is causing me pain. I ate 5 whole crushed

garlic yesterday…. Aren't I brave!

==>Yes that is brave and not always a good idea. More is not better

my friend.

> My tests results came back with a thyroid problem so I'm working

with my doctor to adjust a medicine for it. Life is good. I am

making the Cabbage and Rice casserole for dinner tonight.

==>I lost my thyroid due to tampering when I had candida so be very

cautious about what you do. Candida causes low thyroid, low

adrenals and many other problems - see my article sent to you for

the list of symptoms and diseases caused by candida. Dr. Mercola

doesn't recommend taking thyroid meds either; do a search at:

www.mercola.com. Also see articles at my website on thyroid:

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com

==>Also rice is not allowed on the candida diet, as well as all

grains.

> I am hoping my family will like it. My daughter and I are both

gluten intolerant and I am allergic to dairy, eggs and soy right now.

==>There is a hugh misunderstanding about allergies, even though soy

is very damaging to the body and dairy other than butter is not

allowed on the candida diet - do a site search at my webiste for

allergies.

> I can always tell when my yeast is high because I feel itchy,

dry, really tired and my pain levels are high. I'm uping the

drinking water too. hey I was wondering if any of you know about

Xylitol?

==>Xylitol is not recommended, however you can have small amounts of

stevia. Remember to not drink too much water without ensuring you

are getting enough minerals - I recommend ocean sea salt - again,

please read my article.

The best in health, Bee

[Guest guest]

Sounds like you have candida to me. Interesting how many people who

have a yeast problem find they have problems with alcohol.

The first place to start is diet. It is not wise to use antifungals

unless you have been on the diet for many months first. To use

antifungals before changing your diet is quite pointless. For

starters yeast feed on sugar (all forms of sugar), honey, fruit,

milk, white sugar, brown sugar, gluten grains and so forth. If you

are feeding the candida and trying to kill it at the sametime, you

can see the pointless cycle.

Also diflucan can be toxic to the liver. I would NOT use it! I have

already heard of people having big issues after using it. Again best

place to begin is your diet. This is the foundation of everything

else. If you start to eliminate sugars from your diet the overgrowth

of candida in your body will begin to starve and die off slowly. In

doing this, you are helping your body enormously.

Your diet should actually consist mainly of eggs, meats, chicken,

liver, vegetables (low carb only, avoid potatoes/pea/beans/corn) and

plenty of healthy fats like butter, olive oil, fish oil (mercury free

brand), lard etc. The fats aid your body in healing, encourage bile

flow and help satiate the appetite.

It sounds restrictive, but you do get used to it. You do not have to

go cold turkey. You can start simply be excluding the obvious sugars

like sugar itself, junkfoods, honey and simply go from there. Some

people continue to consume limited fruit (like one or two a day)

limited gluten free grain and limited milk, some raw nuts, plain

acidophilus yogurt etc. But again the fruit and grains are still

high carbs (natural sugars in the body0 and may need to be completely

eliminated as you adjust to the diet. Though this in itself can

produce some candida die off, it is not ideal. Ideally you need to

fully restrict sugars until you are improved enough to be able to

loosen up on your diet a little more later.

The best way to find out if you have candida is to check out a

questionnaire on the internet and have a look at symptoms and/or

simply go on a candida diet and see what happens. Many times as you

go on the diet you may find yourself feeling worse for a short period

of time as the yeast die off. This is a strong indicator in itself

that you had a yeast problem. You may also find yourself craving the

foods that candida loves! So you have to be strong on the diet and

make sure you eat plenty of the healthy foods and fats. it is not

necessarily easy but it could be well worth it.

> hi all

> Male 58 single, hetro, no active partner in 4 years (quite

happy)

> Pretty good diet, slight overweight (1.80m and 88kgs)

> Over the past few years seem to have noticed a few things

> (maybe getting older?) but nevertheless these have been the symtoms:

>

> Alcohol seems to get to me very quick

> Tiredness for no reason esp after eating midday (no alc)

> Bit vague in thought

> Getting bloaty, and stomach distended.

> Lethargic

>

> Then more recently I developed a pain in my tongue, so I went

> to my Doctor, who immediately said its Candida, poss got in after a

> rough tooth, disturbed the tongue.

> At the same time I have a itchy rash developed on my private

> parts, again the Doc suggested it might be all from the same source

as

> this can be easily transferred.

> I have been given Daktarin mouth gel (like a rinse) along

with

> Diflucan 150 just 2 tabs, and a creme called Quadriderme.

>

> Anybody got any thoughts on the treatment?

> I have only just started the treatments which are due to

finish

> in a week.

> I am begining to wonder if all the other symptoms may be

> Candida associated.

>

[Guest guest]

What can I use on my face to help relieve the itching while I'm on the

program to help the inner part? All around my nose, eye brows and

forhead it's red, inflamed, flakey and itchy. I usually used Nistatin

cream but this time it's not working. I couldn't find anything in the

posts to help. Because I've been on the WW program I've been watching

my fat intake so i'm sure it'll take longer for my body to get used to

the increase in oils. I plan on learning alot in this group.

Thanks

Janet in GA

Hi Janet, have you tried coconut oil? It should be soothing on your skin and

it has antifungal properties.

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