Re: Weed

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Now understand meds 101 (((((( Lexapro is legal)))))(

(((((Weed is not)))))....repeat it to you self.....Lexapro

is legal Weed is not.....not worth losing my job

over. sorry.....lol but hey good try.

LOL I agree!!!

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I do not think you would gain much from weed, if used during the 4-6 hour period after taking LDN. Other times should be ok.

In Europe ALA, alpha lopoic acid is prescribed for neuropathy in the feet for diabetes. B12 tabs under my tongue seemed to help my neuropathy/tingling from chemo.

stay vertical, david lubbock tx

[low dose naltrexone] Weed

Does smoking weed conflict w ldn? Trying to figure out what's causing the tingling in feet n legs. Please help.

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There are a few folks who should be careful with adding ALA.....Possible Interactions:If you are currently being treated with any of the following medications, you should not use alpha-lipoic acid without first talking to your health care provider.Insulin and drugs that lower blood sugar -- Apha-lipoic acid can combine with these drugs to further reduce blood sugar levels, resulting in hypoglycemia (low blood sugar). Tell your doctor before taking alpha-lipoic acid and monitor your blood sugar levels closely; your doctor may need to adjust your medication doses.Thyroid-regulating medications, Levothyroxine -- Apha-lipoic acid may lower levels of thyroid hormone. Blood hormone levels and thyroid function tests should be monitored closely in people taking thyroid hormones who are also taking alpha-lipoic acid.On Mar 11, 2011, at 2:40 PM, Holly wrote:

I do not think you would gain much from weed, if used during the 4-6 hour period after taking LDN. Other times should be ok.

In Europe ALA, alpha lopoic acid is prescribed for neuropathy in the feet for diabetes. B12 tabs under my tongue seemed to help my neuropathy/tingling from chemo.

stay vertical, david lubbock tx

[low dose naltrexone] Weed

Does smoking weed conflict w ldn? Trying to figure out what's causing the tingling in feet n legs. Please help.

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Good point SS, I also take metformin in an attempt to keep my glucose near hundred, add in ALA, and I feel the lower blood sugars, but hypogly is overplayed, half slice of bread, bite of candy, good to go, I do well between sixty and hundred, also my low carb diet allows for a lot of protein, which is difficult for the kidneys to handle. So with each action there is an opposite reaction.

stay vertical, david in lubbock tx

[low dose naltrexone] Weed

Does smoking weed conflict w ldn? Trying to figure out what's causing the tingling in feet n legs. Please help.

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From my experience MJ does not conflict with LDNSterlingFrom: sonnijanine <sonnijanine@...>Subject: [low dose naltrexone] Weedlow dose naltrexone Date: Friday, March 11, 2011, 3:03 AM

Does smoking weed conflict w ldn? Trying to figure out what's causing the tingling in feet n legs. Please help.

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This question has been asked and answered by medical professionals on this

list in the past. There is no conflict. LDN does not inhibit the action

of cannabis (as it can opiates and alcohol) because it does not use the

same cell receptors. At least that is what has been said by others in the

past.

There are people on this list who use medical cannabis legally in their

states (and thus have discussed it openly) with no negative

repercussions. In fact, medical professionals on this list have said that

it's a positive adjunct for many people.

So the answer is: no worries.

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At 05:03 AM 3/11/2011, you wrote:

>Does smoking weed conflict w ldn? Trying to figure out what's causing the

>tingling in feet n legs. Please help.

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There should be little to no interaction between cannabis and naltrexone, except possibly to reduce your cannabis tolerance (make it, or at least some of its effects, seem stronger). It should not produce any symptoms like what you describe -- that sounds Iike neuropathy (though it could be any number of other things), and if anything, cannabinoids should improve neuropathy, not worsen it.Of course, smoking anything isn't the best option; a vaporizer would have many benefits. But, in short, the odds of the "weed" being responsible for your problems are incredibly minuscule.Sent from my iPad

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Hypoglycemia is a result

of prediabetes that can be corrected with a diet and ALA among other things.

Syndrome

X: The Complete Nutritional Program to Prevent and Reverse Insulin Resistance

Or/and low cortisol

Adrenal

Fatigue: The 21st Century Stress Syndrome

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Thnx for info. But I'm a little unclear. Please clarify. Thnx again.

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Re: [low dose naltrexone] Weed

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Hypoglycemia is a result

of prediabetes that can be corrected with a diet and ALA among other things. Syndrome

X: The Complete Nutritional Program to Prevent and Reverse Insulin Resistance Or/and low cortisol Adrenal

Fatigue: The 21st Century Stress Syndrome

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Thanks for info. I know that after I smoked as of late I'd start to feel buzzy and wud need to lay down until it subsided. Last few times it just never subsided so I'm wondering if it's the quality of the weed. Perhaps I need to consider the source? In any event I'm leaving everything alone except ldn. I've noticed it settles after rest. Gather when I'm up moving around Im irritating liesons. I just hate this disease. I swear I'd trade it for anything else :'-(

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Baker <vbaker@...>;

To:

<low dose naltrexone >;

Subject:

Re: [low dose naltrexone] Weed

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Fri, Mar 11, 2011 4:19:26 PM

This question has been asked and answered by medical professionals on this list in the past. There is no conflict. LDN does not inhibit the action of cannabis (as it can opiates and alcohol) because it does not use the same cell receptors. At least that is what has been said by others in the past.There are people on this list who use medical cannabis legally in their states (and thus have discussed it openly) with no negative repercussions. In fact, medical professionals on this list have said that it's a positive adjunct for many people.So the answer is: no worries.--At 05:03 AM 3/11/2011, you wrote:>Does smoking weed conflict w ldn? Trying to figure out what's causing the >tingling in feet n legs. Please

help.>>>>------------------------------------>>

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For sure if it's not working for you right now it's a good idea to put it

aside. This is just a personal theory but I have found that once I started

feeling better after starting LDN, a lot of other things changed or needed

to change.

best wishes,

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At 02:48 AM 3/12/2011, you wrote:

>Thanks for info. I know that after I smoked as of late I'd start to feel

>buzzy and wud need to lay down until it subsided. Last few times it just

>never subsided so I'm wondering if it's the quality of the weed. Perhaps I

>need to consider the source? In any event I'm leaving everything alone

>except ldn. I've noticed it settles after rest. Gather when I'm up moving

>around Im irritating liesons. I just hate this disease. I swear I'd trade

>it for anything else :'-(

>

>

>From: Baker <vbaker@...>;

><low dose naltrexone >;

>Subject: Re: [low dose naltrexone] Weed

>Sent: Fri, Mar 11, 2011 4:19:26 PM

>

>This question has been asked and answered by medical professionals on this

>list in the past. There is no conflict. LDN does not inhibit the action

>of cannabis (as it can opiates and alcohol) because it does not use the

>same cell receptors. At least that is what has been said by others in the

>past.

>

>There are people on this list who use medical cannabis legally in their

>states (and thus have discussed it openly) with no negative

>repercussions. In fact, medical professionals on this list have said that

>it's a positive adjunct for many people.

>

>So the answer is: no worries.

>

>--

>

>At 05:03 AM 3/11/2011, you wrote:

> >Does smoking weed conflict w ldn? Trying to figure out what's causing the

> >tingling in feet n legs. Please help.

> >

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Hi,

I found info which may help http://www.webspawner.com/users/avoidthesedrugsonldn/index.html

It listed Dronabinol THC (Marinol®) may interact with LDN. I am not sure if Dronabinol works same as weed and what the word "interact" means here. Good or bad?

Jim

From: Baker

Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2011 11:39 AM

low dose naltrexone

Subject: Re: [low dose naltrexone] Weed

For sure if it's not working for you right now it's a good idea to put it aside. This is just a personal theory but I have found that once I started feeling better after starting LDN, a lot of other things changed or needed to change.best wishes,--At 02:48 AM 3/12/2011, you wrote:>Thanks for info. I know that after I smoked as of late I'd start to feel >buzzy and wud need to lay down until it subsided. Last few times it just >never subsided so I'm wondering if it's the quality of the weed. Perhaps I >need to consider the source? In any event I'm leaving everything alone >except ldn. I've noticed it settles after rest. Gather when I'm up moving >around Im irritating liesons. I just hate this disease. I swear I'd trade >it for anything else :'-(>>>From: Baker <vbaker@...>;><low dose naltrexone >;>Subject: Re: [low dose naltrexone] Weed>Sent: Fri, Mar 11, 2011 4:19:26 PM>>This question has been asked and answered by medical professionals on this>list in the past. There is no conflict. LDN does not inhibit the action>of cannabis (as it can opiates and alcohol) because it does not use the>same cell receptors. At least that is what has been said by others in the>past.>>There are people on this list who use medical cannabis legally in their>states (and thus have discussed it openly) with no negative>repercussions. In fact, medical professionals on this list have said that>it's a positive adjunct for many people.>>So the answer is: no worries.>>-->>At 05:03 AM 3/11/2011, you wrote:> >Does smoking weed conflict w ldn? Trying to figure out what's causing the> >tingling in feet n legs. Please help.> >> >> >> >------------------------------------> >> >

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No conflict. But you would fare better to find a high CBD, low THC strain and make an infusion/oil instead of smoking it.

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U r right and I agree w ur theory. While I'm told and believe it doesn't or shudnt impact it, I still need to pay attention to wuts best for me. Like on wise woman said, we each have our own MS. But alas yet ANOTHER thing I have to sacrifice to MS (the S stands for sabotage, I'm convinced) thnx again and best of health to u 2. xo

From:

Baker <vbaker@...>;

To:

<low dose naltrexone >;

Subject:

Re: [low dose naltrexone] Weed

Sent:

Sat, Mar 12, 2011 4:39:09 PM

For sure if it's not working for you right now it's a good idea to put it aside. This is just a personal theory but I have found that once I started feeling better after starting LDN, a lot of other things changed or needed to change.best wishes,--At 02:48 AM 3/12/2011, you wrote:>Thanks for info. I know that after I smoked as of late I'd start to feel >buzzy and wud need to lay down until it subsided. Last few times it just >never subsided so I'm wondering if it's the quality of the weed. Perhaps I >need to consider the source? In any event I'm leaving everything alone >except ldn. I've noticed it settles after rest. Gather when I'm up moving >around Im irritating liesons. I just hate this disease. I swear I'd trade >it for anything else :'-(>>>From:

Baker <vbaker@...>;><low dose naltrexone >;>Subject: Re: [low dose naltrexone] Weed>Sent: Fri, Mar 11, 2011 4:19:26 PM>>This question has been asked and answered by medical professionals on this>list in the past. There is no conflict. LDN does not inhibit the action>of cannabis (as it can opiates and alcohol) because it does not use the>same cell receptors. At least that is what has been said by others in the>past.>>There are people on this list who use medical cannabis legally in their>states (and thus have discussed it openly) with no negative>repercussions. In fact, medical professionals on this list have said that>it's a positive adjunct for

many people.>>So the answer is: no worries.>>-->>At 05:03 AM 3/11/2011, you wrote:> >Does smoking weed conflict w ldn? Trying to figure out what's causing the> >tingling in feet n legs. Please help.> >> >> >> >------------------------------------> >> >

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In general, the interaction between naltrexone and cannabinoids appears to be a

positive one (reduces tolerance, may boost pain-relieving effects while leaving

most side effects, those few cannabis has, unaffected or even improved). I know

many patients who take both (some in Low Dose, others in Ultra Low, ~10-200mcg,

taken alongside opiate pain meds) and have never heard of any adverse effects

from the combination.

- from Maine

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The study below was with regular Naltrexone and not low dose and it entails heavy marijuana use.

Psychopharmacology (Berl). 2010 Aug;211(2):141-8. Epub 2010 May 19.

Opioid antagonism enhances marijuana's effects in heavy marijuana smokers.

ZD, Haney M.

Division on Substance Abuse, New York Psychiatric Institute and Department of Psychiatry, College of Physicians and Surgeons of Columbia University, 1051 Riverside Drive, Unit 120, New York, NY 10032, USA. zc2160@...

Abstract

RATIONALE AND OBJECTIVE: Studies in laboratory animals strongly suggest reciprocal modulation of the opioidergic and endocannabinoid systems, a relationship that has not been demonstrated in humans. This study sought to clarify this interaction by assessing how a range of naltrexone doses altered the subjective, cognitive, and cardiovascular effects of marijuana.

MATERIAL AND METHODS: Daily marijuana smokers (n = 29) participated in this within-subject, randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled study. Naltrexone (0, 12, 25, 50, or 100 mg) was administered before active or inactive marijuana (3.27 or 0% THC) was smoked.

RESULTS: Active marijuana increased subjective ratings of marijuana 'Strength,' 'High,' and positive subjective ratings of marijuana quality and drug effect including 'Liking,' 'Good,' and 'Take Again' compared to inactive marijuana. Naltrexone alone decreased ratings of 'Liking,' 'Take Again,' and 'Stimulated' compared with placebo, but increased ratings of drug 'Strength,' 'High,' 'Good,' 'Liking,' 'Stimulated,' and 'Take Again' when administered under active marijuana conditions. Active marijuana did not affect performance on cognitive tasks relative to inactive marijuana, whereas naltrexone decreased performance when administered alone or in combination with active marijuana. Active marijuana increased heart rate compared to inactive marijuana under placebo naltrexone conditions. Although naltrexone alone decreased heart rate, it further increased marijuana's cardiovascular effect.

CONCLUSIONS: In heavy marijuana smokers opioid-receptor blockade enhanced the subjective and cardiovascular effects of marijuana, suggesting that endogenous opioids dampen cannabinoid effects in this population. These findings demonstrate that a broad range of clinically used doses of naltrexone potentially increases the abuse liability and cardiovascular risks of cannabinoids.

PMID: 20490465 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]PMCID: PMC2923559 [Available on 2011/8/1]

Nola http://nolahepper.blogspot.com/

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ALT CONCLUSION: LDN + MJ = more buzz for your bucks ?

MJ smokers who smoke a lot regularly usually have a level of "high" they're after. smoke more until attained; too much and it's naptime or the grocery budget goes out the window or both. long time "heavy" smokers tend to have a bit every couple hours or so through the workday and more at home later on.

i've smoked MJ for 45 years (off & on) self-medicating for suicide/homicide prevention in this best of all possible worlds. personally, LDN decreases my desire for pot, alcohol, tobacco, junk food. currently i don't notice that i get any more effect from a given amount of MJ due to LDN... i might, but at the same time the LDN lessens the desire/need so i smoke less. after about a year on LDN i took a break for the 2nd half of 2010 (looking for a good night's sleep) but now i've been forced to uproot my loser existence and move to a new "career" being 24/7 caretaker of my mom with dementia, etc, etc. for a number of reasons this might be the hardest thing i ever had to do, and stress is high. for the first two months i used MMJ from the legal dispensaries here in california. all that tasty designer bud is too expensive for me to keep up, and counterproductive too.... just can't do this being stoned all the time at any level. i don't know any dealers to get affordable lesser grade MJ & would just as soon not anyway so i started back up on LDN recently (every other day this time) and am stopping smoking MJ. again. the LDN quickly did something so the MJ just doesn't really satisfy and doesn't seem so needed. and while the MJ effects are there if i do smoke it, something from the LDN seems to make it seem like just another old bad habit.

From: low dose naltrexone [mailto:low dose naltrexone ] On Behalf Of smalk50@...Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2011 7:50 AMlow dose naltrexone Subject: [low dose naltrexone] re: Weed

The study below was with regular Naltrexone and not low dose and it entails heavy marijuana use.

Psychopharmacology (Berl). 2010 Aug;211(2):141-8. Epub 2010 May 19.

Opioid antagonism enhances marijuana's effects in heavy marijuana smokers.

CONCLUSIONS: In heavy marijuana smokers opioid-receptor blockade enhanced the subjective and cardiovascular effects of marijuana, suggesting that endogenous opioids dampen cannabinoid effects in this population. These findings demonstrate that a broad range of clinically used doses of naltrexone potentially increases the abuse liability and cardiovascular risks of cannabinoids.

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Hi Bob, I'm sad to hear you're having such a hard time. I cannot ignore your comments about suicide and loser existence. Believe me I truly KNOW the feeling. As i said in another post- the S in MS stands for sabatage! But loser? Not hardly. Just overwhelmed, tired, and the list goes on. But you're existence is measurable and beloved.

have you considered counseling? I'm in the field and working toward PhD. If not, perhaps looking into will offer you some emotional ease. I'd be happy to research some resources for you in your area. I'm in NYC but well connected. Otherwise, while I'm not yet lisenced, the best experience i have is striving to be a good listener and a better friend.

Should you want or need to talk, vent, curse, yell cry, you can give me a call. Let me know. Continue to stay strong. i've always said my fav word is presevere. In doing so we gain much. Email me direct if you'd like to talk.

Take great care.

Sonni

From: bob Larson <boblists@...>low dose naltrexone Sent: Mon, March 14, 2011 3:38:58 AMSubject: RE: [low dose naltrexone] re: Weed

ALT CONCLUSION: LDN + MJ = more buzz for your bucks ?

MJ smokers who smoke a lot regularly usually have a level of "high" they're after. smoke more until attained; too much and it's naptime or the grocery budget goes out the window or both. long time "heavy" smokers tend to have a bit every couple hours or so through the workday and more at home later on.

i've smoked MJ for 45 years (off & on) self-medicating for suicide/homicide prevention in this best of all possible worlds. personally, LDN decreases my desire for pot, alcohol, tobacco, junk food. currently i don't notice that i get any more effect from a given amount of MJ due to LDN... i might, but at the same time the LDN lessens the desire/need so i smoke less. after about a year on LDN i took a break for the 2nd half of 2010 (looking for a good night's sleep) but now i've been forced to uproot my loser existence and move to a new "career" being 24/7 caretaker of my mom with dementia, etc, etc. for a number of reasons this might be the hardest thing i ever had to do, and stress is high. for the first two months i used MMJ from the legal dispensaries here in california. all that tasty designer bud is too

expensive for me to keep up, and counterproductive too.... just can't do this being stoned all the time at any level. i don't know any dealers to get affordable lesser grade MJ & would just as soon not anyway so i started back up on LDN recently (every other day this time) and am stopping smoking MJ. again. the LDN quickly did something so the MJ just doesn't really satisfy and doesn't seem so needed. and while the MJ effects are there if i do smoke it, something from the LDN seems to make it seem like just another old bad habit.

From: low dose naltrexone [mailto:low dose naltrexone ] On Behalf Of smalk50@...Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2011 7:50 AMlow dose naltrexone Subject: [low dose naltrexone] re: Weed

The study below was with regular Naltrexone and not low dose and it entails heavy marijuana use.

Psychopharmacology (Berl). 2010 Aug;211(2):141-8. Epub 2010 May 19.

Opioid antagonism enhances marijuana's effects in heavy marijuana smokers.

CONCLUSIONS: In heavy marijuana smokers opioid-receptor blockade enhanced the subjective and cardiovascular effects of marijuana, suggesting that endogenous opioids dampen cannabinoid effects in this population. These findings demonstrate that a broad range of clinically used doses of naltrexone potentially increases the abuse liability and cardiovascular risks of cannabinoids.