Re: Miracle Mineral Solution

[Guest guest]

I used this as part of my holistic treatment for about two (2) months and

had no ill effects. in New Jersey

In a message dated 10/15/2009 12:38:08 A.M. Fiji Standard Time,

dsinned.1960@... writes:

MMS is a real Miracle, because it's been under our noses for so long yet

so few of us know about it. I've done a lot of research into this before

posting here and I can't find any serious side effects reported anywhere.

[Guest guest]

Let me reiterate, this is only my opinion; from my personal use. Having

Multiple Myeloma Stage 111 diagnosed in Sept. 2004, I'm still alive.

In my position, I have tried just about everything, and continue to do

different holistic protocols. I zap, take cs, eat organic raw, had all my

teeth extracted, and undergo chelation treatments. If I cannot eat it, I don't

put it on my skin. I do not smoke or drink. Additionally, I take about 25

herbs, vitamins and supplements per day. I had a t-bone steak last night,

the first this year. The only orthodox treatment, I have ever received is

dex, and that just about crippled me with steroid myopathy, and I believe it

may have caused the development of eye cataracts. I also have bone

involvement.

After reading some of your posts, I'm in the process of ordering your new

book " New Paradigms in Diabetic Care " Yep; I have this problem too.

I believe, from a layman's point of view, that it is very important to

keep your body clean / detoxified in order to promote any type of healing, and

also I believe, a positive mental attitude may also be important.

Thanks for your invaluable posts. I'm certainly listening.

Best regards!

in New Jersey - Age 61

In a message dated 10/15/2009 8:15:23 A.M. Fiji Standard Time,

director@... writes:

Not so fast on the no serious side effects...many I hear have problems with

bad feelings in the stomach and one way around that is to do it

transdermally and I have a doctor friend who works in Moscow and in NYC uses it

with

DMSO driving it in and the only reason I like this stuff at all is because

of this doctors testimony. Otherwise my firm position for the stuff is USE

IODINE INSTEAD. Iodine is rated to do all the same anti pathogen work but

its a substance the body needs anyway where MMS is more toxic being not

natural to human physiology. Also the science behind iodine is over a century

old and proven in clinical experience forever....MMS no..........Not so fast

on the no serious side effects...many I hear have problems with bad

feelings in the stomach and one way around that is to do i

Thats my official position on this.

Mark Sircus Ac., OMD

Director International Medical Veritas Association

From: rthomp007

I used this as part of my holistic treatment for about two (2) months and

had no ill effects. in New Jersey

In a message dated 10/15/2009 dsinned.1960 writes:

MMS is a real Miracle, because it's been under our noses for so long yet

so few of us know about it. I've done a lot of research into this before

posting here and I can't find any serious side effects reported anywhere.

[Guest guest]

like everything that sounds too good to be true, this 'Miracle solution' sure

is. At best it will get you rid of some gut parasites (swallowing some diluted

bleach might have the same effect - not recommended by me, just to be sure ...).

if there is ANY solid, independent proof that it kills Borrelia parasites in the

body or in the blood, please provide a link.

>

>

>

> MMS is a real Miracle, because it's been under our noses for so long yet so

few of us know about it. I've done a lot of research into this before posting

here and I can't find any serious side effects reported anywhere.

[Guest guest]

Not so fast on the no serious side effects...many I hear have problems with bad

feelings in the stomach and one way around that is to do it transdermally and I

have a doctor friend who works in Moscow and in NYC uses it with DMSO driving it

in and the only reason I like this stuff at all is because of this doctors

testimony. Otherwise my firm position for the stuff is USE IODINE INSTEAD.

Iodine is rated to do all the same anti pathogen work but its a substance the

body needs anyway where MMS is more toxic being not natural to human physiology.

Also the science behind iodine is over a century old and proven in clinical

experience forever....MMS no........... Iodine should be used no matter what

even if one uses the MMS so it makes sense to first start on iodine and only

then up to the MMS

Thats my official position on this.

Mark Sircus Ac., OMD

Director International Medical Veritas Association

From: rthomp007

I used this as part of my holistic treatment for about two (2) months and had

no ill effects. in New Jersey

In a message dated 10/15/2009 dsinned.1960 writes:

MMS is a real Miracle, because it's been under our noses for so long yet

so few of us know about it. I've done a lot of research into this before

posting here and I can't find any serious side effects reported anywhere.

[Guest guest]

You wrote: " This is where no iodine, colloidal silver, ozonated water, ozonated

blood, or hydrogen peroxide can compete with MMS. "

>

You say these words nice and easily but can you back this up with anything more

than saying it? MMS is not a replacement for iodine and that is an absolute

statement just as it can not replace anything essential.... and nothing replaces

the power of exercise and breathing correctly to bring O2 levels up and there is

no miracle in trying to replace the basics of life so I am not sure how much I

buy of this though for sure will investigate Koch. In honesty I got turned off

to Humble even from the way he wrote this up in his book and for sure he does

not like me or anything I have to say on his work.

I was also very surprised about you going from talking and doing water fasting

to using MMS....thats dramatic.....

Also when it comes to detoxification and chelation I am used to dealing and

talking with the best minds in the world and also to people who have done the

numbers done the studies and prove what they say and I am talking about natural

approches. Someone like me cannot simply trust peoples words though I do take

all testimonies to heart..... meaning one has to be careful in making

conclusions and sweeping statements like you made above. I could come up with my

own super statements but then would have to back them up to the hilt. And I

really doubt if MMS could stand a chance against a full spectrum oxygenation

protocol combining some of the above with other things I mention and then

combining that with natural chelation and detox precedures.....and since no one

I know of has actually measured this competition well again....one has to beware

and take care.

Good night Slavek,

Mark

Hi Marc,

I have put myself on MMS sometime beginning of this past September.

I went through the " side effects " first quite a diarrhea as I was just

off a 19 day water fast and assigned the first signs to too abrupt

return to solid food. I stopped it for two days and went right back

where I left off without further trouble for 2 weeks, when I begun being

nauseated, still rising the dosage. Big deal.

One has to look at the trade offs. My water fast had definitely much

worse side effects, yet the procedure done me a lot of good and it was a

fair trade off. So are MMS side effects, which one does not even need to

go through with patience, which I often lack.

But one has to look at the whole forest here.

The MMS has its roots in a supplement called stabilized oxygen. Same

thing, but a much weaker solution without the benefit of the activation

with citric, or other organic acid. According to MMS inventor Jim

Humble, this stabilized oxygen comes from W. F. Koch. I have been

through the whole site devoted to W. F. Koch by his family and I have

become very fond of the fellow for his acumen, skill and thoroughness,

not even mentioning results.

Reading through his works, I have realized that a highly " charged "

oxygen has the capacity to oxidize not only the living pathogens i.e.

bacteria, fungi and viruses, but also many environmental inorganic as

well as organic pathogens, neutralizing their toxicity. In laymen's

words, burn the garbage pile stored in us.

This is where no iodine, colloidal silver, ozonated water, ozonated

blood, or hydrogen peroxide can compete with MMS. W. F. Koch had

eventually done much better than the stabilized oxygen with his mono

molecular carboxyl solutions, which he somehow charged into a state

of nearly permanent oxidative catalysts, which not only had a very high

cure rate on just about any chronic disease, but stayed in the body

giving most patients a permanent protection against any disease. It is

no wonder that he abandoned the stabilized oxygen as he had abandoned

his tissue thrombin extracts, despite their outstanding success in

curing cancers.

I am also not so sure about the toxicity of MMS. Sodium chlorite

activated by lets say citric acid separates into sodium hydroxide

(because the sodium will immediately react with water releasing oxygen)

and chlorine dioxide. Sodium hydroxide may be a bit af a problem, but I

do not see it in as small doses as come with the use of MMS.

The chlorine dioxide passing the digestive tract and eventually

intestinal wall does not appear to react with tissues. But it reacts

with mono cellular organisms releasing oxygen and it is a bleaching

agent for many chemical compounds again oxygenating them. What remains

is the chlorine in solution, i.e. HCl, which is a part of the white cell

defense mechanism, which would suggest that either the white cells can

use it, or it may act on its own in a weak solution as a further living

pathogen killer. It may also eventually revert sodium chloride once it

encounters sodium hydroxide molecule, therefore become finally

neutralized with kitchen salt being the final chlorine product.

Yet, it is probably the two oxygens from the chlorite, which have done

the bulk of the detoxification job, be it on lets say a blob of fungi,

or a molecule of melamine.

With kind regards, Slavek.

[Guest guest]

Hi Rick.

You might want to check Jim's MMS2. He came out with it this last

September. It is on his site.

With kind regards, SLavek.

rthomp007@... wrote:

>

> I used this as part of my holistic treatment for about two (2) months

> and

> had no ill effects. in New Jersey

>

> In a message dated 10/15/2009 12:38:08 A.M. Fiji Standard Time,

> dsinned.1960@... writes:

>

> MMS is a real Miracle, because it's been under our noses for so long

> yet

> so few of us know about it. I've done a lot of research into this

> before

> posting here and I can't find any serious side effects reported

> anywhere.

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Marc,

I have put myself on MMS sometime beginning of this past September.

I went through the " side effects " first quite a diarrhea as I was just

off a 19 day water fast and assigned the first signs to too abrupt

return to solid food. I stopped it for two days and went right back

where I left off without further trouble for 2 weeks, when I begun being

nauseated, still rising the dosage. Big deal.

One has to look at the trade offs. My water fast had definitely much

worse side effects, yet the procedure done me a lot of good and it was a

fair trade off. So are MMS side effects, which one does not even need to

go through with patience, which I often lack.

But one has to look at the whole forest here.

The MMS has its roots in a supplement called stabilized oxygen. Same

thing, but a much weaker solution without the benefit of the activation

with citric, or other organic acid. According to MMS inventor Jim

Humble, this stabilized oxygen comes from W. F. Koch. I have been

through the whole site devoted to W. F. Koch by his family and I have

become very fond of the fellow for his acumen, skill and thoroughness,

not even mentioning results.

Reading through his works, I have realized that a highly " charged "

oxygen has the capacity to oxidize not only the living pathogens i.e.

bacteria, fungi and viruses, but also many environmental inorganic as

well as organic pathogens, neutralizing their toxicity. In laymen's

words, burn the garbage pile stored in us.

This is where no iodine, colloidal silver, ozonated water, ozonated

blood, or hydrogen peroxide can compete with MMS. W. F. Koch had

eventually done much better than the stabilized oxygen with his mono

molecular carboxyl solutions, which he somehow charged into a state

of nearly permanent oxidative catalysts, which not only had a very high

cure rate on just about any chronic disease, but stayed in the body

giving most patients a permanent protection against any disease. It is

no wonder that he abandoned the stabilized oxygen as he had abandoned

his tissue thrombin extracts, despite their outstanding success in

curing cancers.

I am also not so sure about the toxicity of MMS. Sodium chlorite

activated by lets say citric acid separates into sodium hydroxide

(because the sodium will immediately react with water releasing oxygen)

and chlorine dioxide. Sodium hydroxide may be a bit af a problem, but I

do not see it in as small doses as come with the use of MMS.

The chlorine dioxide passing the digestive tract and eventually

intestinal wall does not appear to react with tissues. But it reacts

with mono cellular organisms releasing oxygen and it is a bleaching

agent for many chemical compounds again oxygenating them. What remains

is the chlorine in solution, i.e. HCl, which is a part of the white cell

defense mechanism, which would suggest that either the white cells can

use it, or it may act on its own in a weak solution as a further living

pathogen killer. It may also eventually revert sodium chloride once it

encounters sodium hydroxide molecule, therefore become finally

neutralized with kitchen salt being the final chlorine product.

Yet, it is probably the two oxygens from the chlorite, which have done

the bulk of the detoxification job, be it on lets say a blob of fungi,

or a molecule of melamine.

With kind regards, Slavek.

Mark Sircus Ac., OMD wrote:

>

Not so fast on the no serious side effects...many I hear have problems

> with bad feelings in the stomach and one way around that is to do it

> transdermally and I have a doctor friend who works in Moscow and in

> NYC uses it with DMSO driving it in and the only reason I like this

> stuff at all is because of this doctors testimony. Otherwise my firm

> position for the stuff is USE IODINE INSTEAD. Iodine is rated to do

> all the same anti pathogen work but its a substance the body needs

> anyway where MMS is more toxic being not natural to human physiology.

> Also the science behind iodine is over a century old and proven in

> clinical experience forever....MMS no........... Iodine should be used

> no matter what even if one uses the MMS so it makes sense to first

> start on iodine and only then up to the MMS

>

> Thats my official position on this.

>

> Mark Sircus Ac., OMD

> Director International Medical Veritas Association

[Guest guest]

Thanks SLavek

In a message dated 10/15/2009 2:20:00 P.M. Fiji Standard Time,

slavek.krepelka@... writes:

Hi Rick.

You might want to check Jim's MMS2. He came out with it this last

September. It is on his site.

With kind regards, SLavek.

_rthomp007@..._ (mailto:rthomp007@...) wrote:

>

> I used this as part of my holistic treatment for about two (2) months

> and

> had no ill effects. in New Jersey

>

> In a message dated 10/15/2009 12:38:08 A.M. Fiji Standard Time,

> _dsinned.1960@..._ (mailto:dsinned.1960@...) writes:

>

> MMS is a real Miracle, because it's been under our noses for so long

> yet

> so few of us know about it. I've done a lot of research into this

> before

> posting here and I can't find any serious side effects reported

> anywhere.

>

[Guest guest]

What is MMS?

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> MMS is a real Miracle, because it's been under our noses for so long yet so

few of us know about it. I've done a lot of research into this before posting

here and I can't find any serious side effects reported anywhere.

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[Guest guest]

Mark

Is this your new position on transdermal Magnesium also?

Thanks

GB

>

> Not so fast on the no serious side effects...many I hear have problems with

bad feelings in the stomach and one way around that is to do it transdermally

and I have a doctor friend who works in Moscow and in NYC uses it with DMSO

driving it in and the only reason I like this stuff at all is because of this

doctors testimony. Otherwise my firm position for the stuff is USE IODINE

INSTEAD. Iodine is rated to do all the same anti pathogen work but its a

substance the body needs anyway where MMS is more toxic being not natural to

human physiology. Also the science behind iodine is over a century old and

proven in clinical experience forever....MMS no........... Iodine should be used

no matter what even if one uses the MMS so it makes sense to first start on

iodine and only then up to the MMS

>

> Thats my official position on this.

>

> Mark Sircus Ac., OMD

> Director International Medical Veritas Association

>

>

>

> From: rthomp007

>

> I used this as part of my holistic treatment for about two (2) months and

had no ill effects. in New Jersey

>

>

> In a message dated 10/15/2009 dsinned.1960 writes:

>

> MMS is a real Miracle, because it's been under our noses for so long yet

> so few of us know about it. I've done a lot of research into this before

> posting here and I can't find any serious side effects reported anywhere.

>

[Guest guest]

Your question is not clear, what position on magnesium? I have no new position

it is still number one in all my protocols though I am finishing the second

edition to my first magneisum book.

Mark

From: greatyoga

Mark

Is this your new position on transdermal Magnesium also?

Thanks

GB

[Guest guest]

Slavek wrote: " So you ate your hat, did you? :-) "

>

No actually I wouldn't because its a nice Greek sea captain hat and though I

live in the tropics once in a while I find myself in the interior at high

/altitudes where I have my project called Sancutary.... my retreat survival

center/water park/water mine...got this small piece of land surrounded on three

sides by two rivers that join 100 yards below the construction and I own the

last thirty yards of a river you can drink out of...there it gets cold at night

and yes the hat comes out....

>You wrote: " I have realized that the more unstable (volatile) the

compound able to release oxygen in a chemical reaction, the more oomph

(I guess call it electrons to stay both legs on the ground in the view

of your training in chemistry) it has. Therefore, the more potent the

oxygen and the greater the likelihood that it will react with other

chemicals oxidizing them. "

>

Nicely put and makes sense to me...will have to go meet Koch's ghost now.....yes

and Wilhelm Reich....my mentor was Hills, you ever hear of him? He

wrote a masterpiece called Supersensonics....one of the few books I had a hard

time understanding.

And whats your diagnosis and tell me about your legs more maybe I can help.

Marcus

PS I see you changed the subject...you mean you too dont want me to be eating my

hat?

[Guest guest]

Hi Mark,

So you ate your hat, did you? :-)

I do not blame you for being more than cautious.

Anyway, read my further comments between yours below.

Mark Sircus Ac., OMD wrote:

> You wrote: " This is where no iodine, colloidal silver, ozonated water,

> ozonated blood, or hydrogen peroxide can compete with MMS. "

You have taken it out of context. It was regarding destruction of

chemicals, rather than everything. This would make iodine and colloidal

silver indeed a non competitor almost in its entirety.

> You say these words nice and easily but can you back this up with

> anything more than saying it?

I can't back it up by anything, except the work of the mentioned Ph.D..

MD F. Koch. Since his work has not been duplicated and he died

without releasing his procedures as far as I know, there is obviously no

direct corroboration form other parties. There is plenty of indirect

though, but that would take a lot of study of Wilhelm Reich, which is a

mouthful and very difficult for that, as he has his own language for

what he researched. There are other as well, but here we would go into

non orthodox physics. We would enter the realm of harmonics and that

alone is a study for a long time.

Never the less, I have realized that the more unstable (volatile) the

compound able to release oxygen in a chemical reaction, the more oomph

(I guess call it electrons to stay both legs on the ground in the view

of your training in chemistry) it has. Therefore, the more potent the

oxygen and the greater the likelihood that it will react with other

chemicals oxidizing them.

I was actually already looking at peraceton (acetone peroxide) what I

might make out as an estimate on its potential. Just shooting in the

dark. It would have to be tried.

> MMS is not a replacement for iodine and

> that is an absolute statement just as it can not replace anything

> essential....

I absolutely agree. MMS is not supposed to replace any deficient

minerals etc. Jim Humble states that quite clearly. Dr. Koch stated the

same about his final carboxyls.

I stuff myself with magnesium chloride (topical), iodine 50 mg a day,

selenium, potassium, silica, a whole slew of vitamins with the exception

of C right now due to the interference with MMS, drive 20 km for real

spring water once a week, sea salt, lutein, omega three, linseed oil and

chromolyn. I do not push it too hard. like a pile a day, but I do

supplement some daily and some 3-4 times a week.

> and nothing replaces the power of exercise and breathing

> correctly to bring O2 levels up and there is no miracle in trying to

> replace the basics of life

Again I agree. No silver bullets, but some with a lot of silver in it.

> so I am not sure how much I buy of this

> though for sure will investigate Koch.

Marc, please do. He comes on the heels of Dr. Otto Warburg and IMHO, he

has done at least as much good research as Mr. Warburg. Only that he

ended up in Brazil (originally from Michigan) to remove himself from USA

after death threats, following 4 unsuccessful suits for malpractice

initiated by AMA.

> In honesty I got turned off to

> Humble even from the way he wrote this up in his book and for sure he

> does not like me or anything I have to say on his work.

Marc, I dislike some people myself and do my best to avoid them (which

should not be construed as my dislike for Jim, you, or anyone here). But

if the person has done an outstanding job within his/her limitations and

the best indications are that its fruits are true, I may still dislike

that person (I have learned to not hate) but I have to give that person

the due credit.

> I was also very surprised about you going from talking and doing water

> fasting to using MMS....thats dramatic.....

Marc, when you are just about going lame on both legs among other health

issues, not too many other things appear all that dramatic any more.

This is where I stood by the beginning of June 2009. And yes, I am

getting better on most counts with my health under my direction and with

some help from an ND.

> Also when it comes to detoxification and chelation I am used to

> dealing and talking with the best minds in the world and also to

> people who have done the numbers done the studies and prove what they

> say and I am talking about natural approches. Someone like me cannot

> simply trust peoples words though I do take all testimonies to

> heart..... meaning one has to be careful in making conclusions and

> sweeping statements like you made above.

Above. Quite honestly, I will go for well performed and documented study

before anything else. Never the less, when I manage to feel a person for

what s/he is, and feel that I can trust their word, I do. Jim Humble is

no doctor and IMHO did as honest and as good a research as possible

given his circumstances. Considering his altruistic treatment of people

and the product pricing, I can't but admire him, especially considering

that to do what he did takes a very brave man. He is well aware of the

consequences the whole affair may have for him personally.

> I could come up with my own

> super statements but then would have to back them up to the hilt. And

> I really doubt if MMS could stand a chance against a full spectrum

> oxygenation protocol combining some of the above with other things I

> mention and then combining that with natural chelation and detox

> precedures.

Only the future will tell.

> ....and since no one I know of has actually measured this

> competition well again....one has to beware and take care.

>

> Good night Slavek,

>

> Mark

With kind regards, Slavek.

[Guest guest]

You are welcome Rob.

I certainly wish that you shall resolve your situation.

With kind regards, SLavek.

rthomp007@... wrote:

> Thanks SLavek

[Guest guest]

Hi Marc,

Mark Sircus Ac., OMD wrote:

> Slavek wrote: " So you ate your hat, did you? :-) "

> >

>

> No actually I wouldn't because its a nice Greek sea captain hat and

> though I live in the tropics once in a while I find myself in the

> interior at high /altitudes where I have my project called

> Sancutary.... my retreat survival center/water park/water mine...got

> this small piece of land surrounded on three sides by two rivers that

> join 100 yards below the construction and I own the last thirty yards

> of a river you can drink out of...there it gets cold at night and yes

> the hat comes out....

Sounds like heaven, I mean the retreat, not your hat.

> >You wrote: " I have realized that the more unstable (volatile) the

> compound able to release oxygen in a chemical reaction, the more oomph

> (I guess call it electrons to stay both legs on the ground in the view

> of your training in chemistry) it has. Therefore, the more potent the

> oxygen and the greater the likelihood that it will react with other

> chemicals oxidizing them. "

> Nicely put and makes sense to me...will have to go meet Koch's ghost

> now.....

And then. It's a fair bit of info. Beware, the notion of charging his

carboxyls comes from his landlord's (while at university / father's

friend) comment, and is not found in his own papers published on the

internet.

> yes and Wilhelm Reich....my mentor was Hills, you

> ever hear of him? He wrote a masterpiece called Supersensonics....one

> of the few books I had a hard time understanding.

Never heard of the fellow. I looked him up on google and all my guts are

telling me to leave him alone. I am bolts and nuts man, may be more nuts

than bolts, but still some bolts.

> And whats your diagnosis and tell me about your legs more maybe I can

> help.

There is no diagnosis. Dr. has no clue. Started as tendonitis more than

a year ago from a very hard job, upper legs and arms. I got arms OK

while still working by dumping more difficult and repetitive cutting (15

pound hand held chop saw to be wielded for 5 hours almost daily gets to

a 53 y.o.) on the apprentices, to help myself and after all to get them

to taste it and get hang of it. I should have done that earlier anyway.

But I could not get away from walking average 60 floors a day up and

down, mostly loaded with materials or tools and on a bad day up to 140.

I got laid off last November and hoped the legs would improve

accordingly. No such luck. I went to Dr. just after Christmas, sent to a

spec. Sent to physiotherapy. All for naught. Went to Dr. again in March.

He sent me to chase down workmen's comp for expertise. I tried and have

been avoided like a plaque and got sick and tired of the game with black

boxes (answering machines without answers).

The straightforward muscle pain became compounded with stiffness and

edemas around the knees, and I started sporting soft bumps all over my

calves. It became so bad that I did not even want to walk around the

apartment at times and getting steadily worse.

I have definitely dropped the tendonitis theory in June, decided that I

am going to pieces and went on more or less my own. I had my Dr. to send

my stool and intestinal swab to a lab for parasites, which came

negative. This got him mad, especially when I mentioned Candida as well.

I also gave him a list of some 20 complaints, mostly minor on their own,

plus another bigger one.

I have suffered for some 6 years with pain in the area from prostate to

the surrounding tissues of the bladder. It has developed overnight from

nothing to a rather acute pain of the whole abdomen lasting about a

week, prostate area being the worst. Ever since it is on and almost off,

nothing drastic, but always there. Dr. sent me to a spec. twice, three

years ago and again in February this year. Verdict the same both times,

prostate normal, diagnosis none, some muttering about deep muscles and

the lack of knowledge as to the causes and therefore a remedy. Dr. put

me on two courses of sulfonamides in February-April this year, but

nothing came out of that, only that my digestion, which was not all that

great before deteriorated even further.

Naturopath I hired in July has not been keen on diagnosing anything in

the sense of Drs. Got me a general look over, identified 3 kinds of

fungi in me as systemic. I did some research already on the net and

became familiar with them and knowing my health history, I expected

that. He found stressed kidneys, although I can't complain, no problems

with pain or urination whatsoever. He found the colon in distress, again

expected. My August ND visit came with blood, urine and saliva tests.

Not much info I could use, only that I was as alkaline as a marble

statue and should have been also as stiff as one, only that I was not,

yet. This was actually (well, I suspect) bicarbona I was stuffing myself

with along with vit. C and I dropped it after this.

He also showed me the bleak picture of my blood specimen under dark

field. Red blood cells stacked, little glittery " animals " ND identified

as pre-bacteria or viruses, bacteria proper chewing on red cells and

thistle puffs he identified as fungi all over the forest of fibrin. We

were lucky though to see two white blood cells as well, even though one

looked rather spent.

Meanwhile my Dr. sent me for a few x-rays, spine, my shoulder, because

by this time my right arm begun to go numb, or better said a line of

numbness begun to appear from my chest bone to the right elbow with a

bit of pain in the armpit, well, not mentioning numbness in the muscle

of my right leg on top of the former tendonitis development, which

appeared about the same time. Sent me also for ultrasound of the

abdomen, barium x-ray of upper GI tract because of a discomfort to pain

in the duodenum area. I also submitted to a blood test, which showed

Helicobacter Pylori antibodies.

He has given me a prescription for antibiotics for a stomach ulcer even

before he had the barium x-ray results. The prescription is still in my

desk, because I did have a duodenum ulcer some 16 years ago, so no

surprise with antibodies. (That was a story and a half of its own. My

then Dr. set me on prepulsid, which I found awful (now outlawed by FDA),

then on pepside for two months to no avail, then I got mad and killed

the bug with whiskey in three weeks.)

Nothing found on ultrasound except for a ceramic gal bladder (shrunk and

calcified). Pre cancerous state according to AMA, 35% develop into a

cancer of either the bladder or liver (as I googled up). My Dr.

consulted a spec. on the theme and assured me that this common

occurrence poses no problem. I already red the AMA then, but said

nothing.

I think I will leave it here. I hope though that you may appreciate that

I have set myself on quite a search and why I have appeared even on

cancer sites. Better do my homework now, rather than later, or even too

late.

I am going to see my ND again at the end of October, so we shall have a

look at my blood again and hopefully it will look better than the last

time.

> Marcus

>

> PS I see you changed the subject...you mean you too dont want me to be

> eating my hat?

To tell the truth, I do not want you anything and you may do with your

hat whatever you desire, even eat it. I do my best not to want other do

this and that, although it is not always possible. The older I get, the

more I wish people did what they feel fit, short of harming others and

left other people to do the same. But if you decide to eat it in the

end, enjoy it.

With kind regards, Slavek.

[Guest guest]

I researched MMS for over a month before giving it a go. I read everything, I watched hours of utubes...I felt quite informed. I am certain it works well, but I would not say it is totally safe for everyone. I have certain medications I MUST take...and do not know if this is the problem...or just my system. I slowly...very slowly....worked my way up to 9 drops. I felt great...really great up till 5....from then on...constant diarrea....but when I got to 9.....I was home alone...no help....the diarrea was so extreme..I was in the bathroom for hours and could not get up. I was so weak I could barely get into my bed just wanting to rest. My heartbeat was very irregular and every 4th pump or so was a BOOM...so could barely sleep through the room spinning round me. I made it through the night....and

my daughter arrived and wanted to take me to ER....I begged for bananas first, as I was craving them. I ate several and fetlt, better. At ER they did blood work, as they had no idea of MMS. My potassium was so low...they said what was hapening to my heart could have been fatal. Please listen to your body, and please be careful. This is very powerful stuff. I almost died....I lived, so another time can't blame MMS for a fatalitiy, but barely did.From: odewoes@... <odewoes@...>Subject: [] Miracle Mineral Solution Date: Sunday, October 25, 2009, 5:36 PM

: MMS is a real Miracle, because it's been under our noses for so long yet so few of us know about it. I've done a lot of research into this before posting here and I can't find any serious side effects reported anywhere.

In my experience there are always side effects with every treatment for anything, with MMS there is usually a feeling of Nausea as the body trys to get rid of the the dead pathogens that where causing the illness.

Apparently Miracle Mineral Solution is an effective treatment for HIV, Cancer, Hepatitis and Lyme Disease, to mention just a few and considering the seriousness of those diseases, I think a bit of nausea is worth putting up with if MMS even only has a chance of working.

Anyone interested in learning more should go here as they are the world wide premier authority on MMS.

http://www.miraclem ineralsupplement .biz/mms/ PGL

[Guest guest]

So the stuff was forcing your body to dump

its salts (obviously the diarrhea…) WOW…I have potassium issues,

and I take a load of vitamins and minerals, but have been VERY careful to take

everything at different times during the day, and have it all individual, so

this sort of stuff doesn’t happen

YES everyone take care.  IF you don’t

really need anything, why fix your body?

Marie

From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf Of mystery688

Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2009

8:00 PM

To:

Subject: Re: []

Miracle Mineral Solution

I researched MMS for over a month before giving it a

go. I read everything, I watched hours of utubes...I felt quite

informed.

I am certain it works well, but I would not say it

is totally safe for everyone. I have certain medications I MUST

take...and do not know if this is the problem...or just my system. I

slowly...very slowly....worked my way up to 9 drops. I felt

great...really great up till 5....from then on...constant diarrea....but when

I got to 9.....I was home alone...no help....the diarrea was so extreme..I

was in the bathroom for hours and could not get up. I was so weak I

could barely get into my bed just wanting to rest. My heartbeat was

very irregular and every 4th pump or so was a BOOM...so could barely sleep

through the room spinning round me. I made it through the night....and

my daughter arrived and wanted to take me to ER....I begged for bananas

first, as I was craving them. I ate several and fetlt, better. At

ER they did blood work, as they had no idea of MMS. My potassium was so

low...they said what was hapening to my heart could have been fatal.

Please listen to your body, and please be careful.

This is very powerful stuff. I almost died....I lived, so another

time can't blame MMS for a fatalitiy, but barely did.

--- On Sun, 10/25/09, odewoes

<odewoes >

wrote:

From: odewoes <odewoes >

Subject: [] Miracle Mineral Solution

Date: Sunday, October 25, 2009, 5:36 PM

: MMS is a real Miracle, because it's been under our

noses for so long yet so few of us know about it. I've done a lot of research

into this before posting here and I can't find any serious side effects

reported anywhere.

In my experience there are always side effects with every treatment for

anything, with MMS there is usually a feeling of Nausea as the body trys to

get rid of the the dead pathogens that where causing the illness.

Apparently Miracle Mineral Solution is an effective treatment for HIV,

Cancer, Hepatitis and Lyme Disease, to mention just a few and considering the

seriousness of those diseases, I think a bit of nausea is worth putting up

with if MMS even only has a chance of working.

Anyone interested in learning more should go here as they are the world wide

premier authority on MMS.

http://www.miraclem

ineralsupplement .biz/mms/ PGL

[Guest guest]

I'm sorry you had all those challenges - to the lady who had the diarrhea. We must all take great care of our own bodies and listen to them.. as I am learning through what might be called 'bitter' but I'll choose to refer to as plain experience...

And it's not surprising you had those challenges because increasing the MMS does with the onset of diarrhea is strictly advised against by Jim Humble, the guy who started using MMS and promoting it in a way that seems to me to be one of deep integrity.

One of the things Jim Humble says in his book and in all the protocol advice is

Work your way up with the drops UNTIL you feel sick or get diarrhea and THEN STOP and take LESS drops NOT more!!!

When you 'hit the wall' with your drops, and everyone is different, a bout of diarrhea that lasts one day or a feeling of nausea is a sign that you are detoxing. It is also a sign to give your body a rest. Little by Little.

It was the diarrhea swishing the salts out, as you said, Marie. MMS elminates pathogens, anything of less than 7ph [i.e. acidic and harmful cells] and the cells dissipate into soluble harmless salts that are cleared in the normal way.

The information is there and Jim Humble has a lot of case histories. That's why it's so important to read the book in conjunction with taking the MMS. He also has stuff on his site here.

www.mmsanswers.com

So yours is a good case history and a reminder of what Jim Humble advises. When you feel sick or get the runs, STOP upping the does and return to LESS DROPS.

My personal views on MMS as a preventative is that it really isn't a preventative. Most of us who eat lots of cooked foods, even if they're organic, vegan, vegetarian, whatever, are riddled with toxins. The MMS to me is the equivalent of wiping clean a kitchen counter top where you're cooking regularly, instead of letting bits of food gather and rot on the counter.

I have known about MMS for over two years and used it solidly for 18 months because I know that my body, like most people's is more 'acidic' than it should be. I am not in any financial position to eat completely raw and organic YET... and sometimes we've had to resort to eating food from the church handout while we make our way.

Growing your own food, using herbs and other foods to make available nature's healers is vital to our health, IMO. Unless we live a virtually 80-100% raw, dairy & wheat free organic diet and don't live in the world with all it's pollutants, our red blood cells will show up under the microscope as sticking together - a sign of acidity. We can go on feeling well for a long time, as our body leeches what it needs to restore alkalinity from our bones and organs. That's what ages us.

When my husband was really ill with what I thought may be cancer or something as serious - given his predominant diet throughout most of his life - I may have mentioned that MMS was recommended to me by the executive director of a VA hospital who blends allopathic and natural wellness together.

She had used it on herself to cure something the meds didn't help.

That kind of ratified the change I know is emerging.. around more natural food and energy forms of healing and wellness maintenance. The VA is big on wellness because they don't operate for profit. It's in their interest for people to stay well.

However, we all have to make our own decisions and there are a lot of stories out there... and should you choose to read Jim Humble's book, I think you'll find his sincerity shines through. He may be another kook, but I don't think so. This man has been using this stuff in the field for years and experimenting on himself under many different conditions but of course his research isn't 'scientific' and sometimes we just have to go with our heart, our inner voice... our knowing of our own body.

We have an affiliate link for MMS - because we believe in it.

The price is maintained around $20 for a bottle plus citric acid you can buy anywhere and make up yourself easily. Jim Humble wanted it to be within financial reach of most people and free to those who cannot afford it.. i.e. people in Africa and other countries living in extreme poverty. He works with the aim of having Africa malaria free in his lifetime. He has devoted his life to this. The book even teaches people to make MMS themselves for virtually nothing.

www.projectgreenlife.com/wellspring

with love and respect and gratitude to you all

sunny

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From: Marie <marieabr@...> Sent: Sun, October 25, 2009 9:24:08 PMSubject: RE: [] Miracle Mineral Solution

So the stuff was forcing your body to dump its salts (obviously the diarrhea…) WOW…I have potassium issues, and I take a load of vitamins and minerals, but have been VERY careful to take everything at different times during the day, and have it all individual, so this sort of stuff doesn’t happen

YES everyone take care. IF you don’t really need anything, why fix your body?

Marie

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I did cut back...it took a LONG time to get to 9 drops....I called Hubble's people....I actually spoke to his main man several times.(Dennis) ..they said the diarrea was a normal side effect.....and I believe it is of detoxing....I am just making it aware to be careful....This is VERY powerful stuff. did I detox...yea....just too fast.....From: Sunwaterclear - Sunny <sunwaterclear@...>Subject: Re: [] Miracle Mineral Solution Date: Monday, October 26, 2009, 9:18 AM

I'm sorry you had all those challenges - to the lady who had the diarrhea. We must all take great care of our own bodies and listen to them.. as I am learning through what might be called 'bitter' but I'll choose to refer to as plain experience.. .

And it's not surprising you had those challenges because increasing the MMS does with the onset of diarrhea is strictly advised against by Jim Humble, the guy who started using MMS and promoting it in a way that seems to me to be one of deep integrity.

One of the things Jim Humble says in his book and in all the protocol advice is

Work your way up with the drops UNTIL you feel sick or get diarrhea and THEN STOP and take LESS drops NOT more!!!

When you 'hit the wall' with your drops, and everyone is different, a bout of diarrhea that lasts one day or a feeling of nausea is a sign that you are detoxing. It is also a sign to give your body a rest. Little by Little.

It was the diarrhea swishing the salts out, as you said, Marie. MMS elminates pathogens, anything of less than 7ph [i.e. acidic and harmful cells] and the cells dissipate into soluble harmless salts that are cleared in the normal way.

The information is there and Jim Humble has a lot of case histories. That's why it's so important to read the book in conjunction with taking the MMS. He also has stuff on his site here.

www.mmsanswers. com

So yours is a good case history and a reminder of what Jim Humble advises. When you feel sick or get the runs, STOP upping the does and return to LESS DROPS.

My personal views on MMS as a preventative is that it really isn't a preventative. Most of us who eat lots of cooked foods, even if they're organic, vegan, vegetarian, whatever, are riddled with toxins. The MMS to me is the equivalent of wiping clean a kitchen counter top where you're cooking regularly, instead of letting bits of food gather and rot on the counter.

I have known about MMS for over two years and used it solidly for 18 months because I know that my body, like most people's is more 'acidic' than it should be. I am not in any financial position to eat completely raw and organic YET... and sometimes we've had to resort to eating food from the church handout while we make our way.

Growing your own food, using herbs and other foods to make available nature's healers is vital to our health, IMO. Unless we live a virtually 80-100% raw, dairy & wheat free organic diet and don't live in the world with all it's pollutants, our red blood cells will show up under the microscope as sticking together - a sign of acidity. We can go on feeling well for a long time, as our body leeches what it needs to restore alkalinity from our bones and organs. That's what ages us.

When my husband was really ill with what I thought may be cancer or something as serious - given his predominant diet throughout most of his life - I may have mentioned that MMS was recommended to me by the executive director of a VA hospital who blends allopathic and natural wellness together.

She had used it on herself to cure something the meds didn't help.

That kind of ratified the change I know is emerging.. around more natural food and energy forms of healing and wellness maintenance. The VA is big on wellness because they don't operate for profit. It's in their interest for people to stay well.

However, we all have to make our own decisions and there are a lot of stories out there... and should you choose to read Jim Humble's book, I think you'll find his sincerity shines through. He may be another kook, but I don't think so. This man has been using this stuff in the field for years and experimenting on himself under many different conditions but of course his research isn't 'scientific' and sometimes we just have to go with our heart, our inner voice... our knowing of our own body.

We have an affiliate link for MMS - because we believe in it.

The price is maintained around $20 for a bottle plus citric acid you can buy anywhere and make up yourself easily. Jim Humble wanted it to be within financial reach of most people and free to those who cannot afford it.. i.e. people in Africa and other countries living in extreme poverty. He works with the aim of having Africa malaria free in his lifetime. He has devoted his life to this. The book even teaches people to make MMS themselves for virtually nothing.

www.projectgreenlif e.com/wellspring

with love and respect and gratitude to you all

sunny

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From: Marie <marieabramerytel (DOT) net>Sent: Sun, October 25, 2009 9:24:08 PMSubject: RE: [] Miracle Mineral Solution

So the stuff was forcing your body to dump its salts (obviously the diarrhea…) WOW…I have potassium issues, and I take a load of vitamins and minerals, but have been VERY careful to take everything at different times during the day, and have it all individual, so this sort of stuff doesn’t happen

YES everyone take care. IF you don’t really need anything, why fix your body?

Marie

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Hi sweetie, I understand you obviously went the whole way to find out. And I agree, it is important for people to understand the potential, without being too scared.

love and blessings

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From: mystery688 <mystery688@...> Sent: Mon, October 26, 2009 2:52:39 PMSubject: Re: [] Miracle Mineral Solution

I did cut back...it took a LONG time to get to 9 drops....I called Hubble's people....I actually spoke to his main man several times.(Dennis) ..they said the diarrea was a normal side effect.....and I believe it is of detoxing.... I am just making it aware to be careful....This is VERY powerful stuff. did I detox...yea. ...just too fast.....

From: Sunwaterclear - Sunny <sunwaterclear>Subject: Re: [] Miracle Mineral SolutionDate: Monday, October 26, 2009, 9:18 AM

I'm sorry you had all those challenges - to the lady who had the diarrhea. We must all take great care of our own bodies and listen to them.. as I am learning through what might be called 'bitter' but I'll choose to refer to as plain experience.. .

And it's not surprising you had those challenges because increasing the MMS does with the onset of diarrhea is strictly advised against by Jim Humble, the guy who started using MMS and promoting it in a way that seems to me to be one of deep integrity.

One of the things Jim Humble says in his book and in all the protocol advice is

Work your way up with the drops UNTIL you feel sick or get diarrhea and THEN STOP and take LESS drops NOT more!!!

When you 'hit the wall' with your drops, and everyone is different, a bout of diarrhea that lasts one day or a feeling of nausea is a sign that you are detoxing. It is also a sign to give your body a rest. Little by Little.

It was the diarrhea swishing the salts out, as you said, Marie. MMS elminates pathogens, anything of less than 7ph [i.e. acidic and harmful cells] and the cells dissipate into soluble harmless salts that are cleared in the normal way.

The information is there and Jim Humble has a lot of case histories. That's why it's so important to read the book in conjunction with taking the MMS. He also has stuff on his site here.

www.mmsanswers. com

So yours is a good case history and a reminder of what Jim Humble advises. When you feel sick or get the runs, STOP upping the does and return to LESS DROPS.

My personal views on MMS as a preventative is that it really isn't a preventative. Most of us who eat lots of cooked foods, even if they're organic, vegan, vegetarian, whatever, are riddled with toxins. The MMS to me is the equivalent of wiping clean a kitchen counter top where you're cooking regularly, instead of letting bits of food gather and rot on the counter.

I have known about MMS for over two years and used it solidly for 18 months because I know that my body, like most people's is more 'acidic' than it should be. I am not in any financial position to eat completely raw and organic YET... and sometimes we've had to resort to eating food from the church handout while we make our way.

Growing your own food, using herbs and other foods to make available nature's healers is vital to our health, IMO. Unless we live a virtually 80-100% raw, dairy & wheat free organic diet and don't live in the world with all it's pollutants, our red blood cells will show up under the microscope as sticking together - a sign of acidity. We can go on feeling well for a long time, as our body leeches what it needs to restore alkalinity from our bones and organs. That's what ages us.

When my husband was really ill with what I thought may be cancer or something as serious - given his predominant diet throughout most of his life - I may have mentioned that MMS was recommended to me by the executive director of a VA hospital who blends allopathic and natural wellness together.

She had used it on herself to cure something the meds didn't help.

That kind of ratified the change I know is emerging.. around more natural food and energy forms of healing and wellness maintenance. The VA is big on wellness because they don't operate for profit. It's in their interest for people to stay well.

However, we all have to make our own decisions and there are a lot of stories out there... and should you choose to read Jim Humble's book, I think you'll find his sincerity shines through. He may be another kook, but I don't think so. This man has been using this stuff in the field for years and experimenting on himself under many different conditions but of course his research isn't 'scientific' and sometimes we just have to go with our heart, our inner voice... our knowing of our own body.

We have an affiliate link for MMS - because we believe in it.

The price is maintained around $20 for a bottle plus citric acid you can buy anywhere and make up yourself easily. Jim Humble wanted it to be within financial reach of most people and free to those who cannot afford it.. i.e. people in Africa and other countries living in extreme poverty. He works with the aim of having Africa malaria free in his lifetime. He has devoted his life to this. The book even teaches people to make MMS themselves for virtually nothing.

www.projectgreenlif e.com/wellspring

with love and respect and gratitude to you all

sunny

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From: Marie <marieabramerytel (DOT) net>Sent: Sun, October 25, 2009 9:24:08 PMSubject: RE: [] Miracle Mineral Solution

So the stuff was forcing your body to dump its salts (obviously the diarrhea…) WOW…I have potassium issues, and I take a load of vitamins and minerals, but have been VERY careful to take everything at different times during the day, and have it all individual, so this sort of stuff doesn’t happen

YES everyone take care. IF you don’t really need anything, why fix your body?

Marie

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