Re: Vit D and showering

[Guest guest]

Joe Mercola is out of his mind here, as there has never been one study to show

that humans will wash off with soap deep epidermal layers of oil based

secosteroids (D3) formed in the skin. Almost all D3 is formed in the stratum

basale and stratum spinosum, and if you scrub hard enough to get soap that deep

you will be bleeding and in agony long before you are there. Only birds and some

fur bearing mammals excrete oils onto the surface and lick the irradiated oils

off after chemical conversion.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Skinlayers.png

There may be some very good reasons for not using too much soap, but secosteroid

D3 elimination is not one of them. Mercola has created one more " urban myth " . He

might want to study anatomy?

best, P.B.

>

> Per the statement " The problem with vit D and sunbathing is that if you take a

shower and especially with soap.there is no production of vit D

>

> http://www.giveitto meraw.com/ forum/topics/ want-vitamin- d-dont-take-a "

>

> I read the rest of that messageboard, it's the soap that's the problem, not

the showering. Seems that just using soap on armpits and the privates is ok and

won't prevent re-absorption of D3 from the skin.

>

[Guest guest]

he does... OJT

mercola isn't the only or first with that though, to be fair.

sorry, i don't remember who was but mercola isn't that creative or original.

he's a chiropractor, a peddlar of overpriced bogus gadgets that seem like a

good idea (with a customer svce section that's probably operating out of a

phone room in a penitentary, and whatever info he and his teams scrape

together and turn into a presentation. he is a commercial hustler that has

built quite a machine.

i don't hate him. really. i'm just not all that impressed anymore. he does

put out a lot of good info.

> -----Original Message-----

> Mercola has created one more " urban myth " . He might want to

> study anatomy?

> best, P.B.

>

[Guest guest]

I absolutely agree, I have not paid any attention to it. He is a bit of a gloom and doom merchant anyway – to sell his products I reckon. Joe Mercola is out of his mind here, as there has never been one study to show that humans will wash off with soap deep epidermal layers of oil based secosteroids (D3) formed in the skin. Almost all D3 is formed in the stratum basale and stratum spinosum, and if you scrub hard enough to get soap that deep you will be bleeding and in agony long before you are there. Only birds and some fur bearing mammals excrete oils onto the surface and lick the irradiated oils off after chemical conversion. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Skinlayers.pngThere may be some very good reasons for not using too much soap, but secosteroid D3 elimination is not one of them. Mercola has created one more " urban myth " . He might want to study anatomy?best, P.B.>> Per the statement " The problem with vit D and sunbathing is that if you take a shower and especially with soap.there is no production of vit D> > http://www.giveitto meraw.com/ forum/topics/ want-vitamin- d-dont-take-a " > > I read the rest of that messageboard, it's the soap that's the problem, not the showering. Seems that just using soap on armpits and the privates is ok and won't prevent re-absorption of D3 from the skin.>

[Guest guest]

Dr. Mercola generally gives sources for his info. I am not going to go find the article and post his sources, I've got stuff to do here. You are more than welcome to go look for the sources and see if they are bogus or not. I know a lot of people disregard Dr. mercola. Your choice. :-) I don't mean that to sound hostile, I say this in a completely I don't Care/loving fashion... you can believe it or not. I wouldnt exactly call it urban myth proportion though LOL

PS Wikipedia is NOT a valid source for ANY scientific bases. :-)On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 3:18 AM, ursus357 <ursus357@...> wrote:

Joe Mercola is out of his mind here, as there has never been one study to show that humans will wash off with soap deep epidermal layers of oil based secosteroids (D3) formed in the skin. Almost all D3 is formed in the stratum basale and stratum spinosum, and if you scrub hard enough to get soap that deep you will be bleeding and in agony long before you are there. Only birds and some fur bearing mammals excrete oils onto the surface and lick the irradiated oils off after chemical conversion.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Skinlayers.png

There may be some very good reasons for not using too much soap, but secosteroid D3 elimination is not one of them. Mercola has created one more " urban myth " . He might want to study anatomy?

best, P.B.

>

> Per the statement " The problem with vit D and sunbathing is that if you take a shower and especially with soap.there is no production of vit D

>

> http://www.giveitto meraw.com/ forum/topics/ want-vitamin- d-dont-take-a "

>

> I read the rest of that messageboard, it's the soap that's the problem, not the showering. Seems that just using soap on armpits and the privates is ok and won't prevent re-absorption of D3 from the skin.

>

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[Guest guest]

He recently responded on Dr. Oz... he had a choice to do advertising on his website to pay for it/his time, or to sell his own products he believed in. Since he said he would have virtually no control over the things being advertised by say, Google Ads (or its precursors), he chose to " peddle " items he believes in.

I read Dr. Mercola. Never once bought a product off his site. I appreciate he sticks his neck out to spread information and cites sources for it. Better than typical bloggers, and most news.

On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 8:44 AM, bob Larson <boblists@...> wrote:

he does... OJT

mercola isn't the only or first with that though, to be fair.

sorry, i don't remember who was but mercola isn't that creative or original.

he's a chiropractor, a peddlar of overpriced bogus gadgets that seem like a

good idea (with a customer svce section that's probably operating out of a

phone room in a penitentary, and whatever info he and his teams scrape

together and turn into a presentation.  he is a commercial hustler that has

built quite a machine.

i don't hate him.  really.  i'm just not all that impressed anymore. he does

put out a lot of good info.

> -----Original Message-----

> Mercola has created one more " urban myth " . He might want to

> study anatomy?

> best, P.B.

>

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[Guest guest]

Joe, who I personally like, gave no references in his bizarre assertion that had

anything to do with showering. Cannell has also repeated this " wash off D with

soap " tripe with no back up data.

Both mean well but have flawed ability to think critically or scientifically.

Both are out to make a buck by pushing propaganda. Wiki can be trusted for at

least a stolen diagram of human skin. Skin structure is not rocket science.

If you are too lazy to look for valid sources then you may end up believing the

moon is made of green cheese. You are naturally free to believe whatever you

want based upon blind faith, or even reasoned faith.

cheers, P.B.

>

> > Joe Mercola is out of his mind here, as there has never been one study to

> > show that humans will wash off with soap deep epidermal layers of oil based

> > secosteroids (D3) formed in the skin.

[Guest guest]

Not too lazy, too busy. I'm working on recovering my kids from autism spectrum disorders and balancing their diet, and such. I read a lot.

I pass on the info I read and where. It's up to the people who want to believe it to look up the source or not.I supp Vit D and I live in Florida and we don't use sunblock. We actually shower after being outside because generally we've been in the pool and we've got to get the chlorine off. It's toxic.

And I really don't think Dr. Joe has anything to gain by telling people to wash their pits and privates but leave the oil on the rest of their skin. If people follow this advice, what money is he gaining???

Oh. we also have VDR (vitamin D receptor) mutations in our family so we have to do crazy dosing of vit D to keep levels at acceptable range.5000IU/daily and I still can't get to mid-range levels.Anyway, how about the fact that a lot of Dr. Joe's critics would also criticize low dose naltrexone, and also poopoo that CFS even exists.... I'll still stick with trusting Dr. Joe than the other lot of them. We use cream LDN and most people cannot even accept that what we put on our skin can be absorbed to amount to anything. I tried LDN cream, I like it's effects. I didn't read all the sources, studies, or whatever. I need to move on to the next " thing " to learn.

You dislike the guy, I don't think it's worth than more than the effort I've given here to try to find you sources to debate the subject. But if someone out there wants to try it, or wants to look it up, well they can do it. We;ll be taking the supp D.

On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 1:37 AM, ursus357 <ursus357@...> wrote:

Joe, who I personally like, gave no references in his bizarre assertion that had anything to do with showering. Cannell has also repeated this " wash off D with soap " tripe with no back up data.

Both mean well but have flawed ability to think critically or scientifically. Both are out to make a buck by pushing propaganda. Wiki can be trusted for at least a stolen diagram of human skin. Skin structure is not rocket science.

If you are too lazy to look for valid sources then you may end up believing the moon is made of green cheese. You are naturally free to believe whatever you want based upon blind faith, or even reasoned faith.

cheers, P.B.

>

> > Joe Mercola is out of his mind here, as there has never been one study to

> > show that humans will wash off with soap deep epidermal layers of oil based

> > secosteroids (D3) formed in the skin.

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[Guest guest]

Some have said (disparagingly) that Dr. Mercola is a "Chiro".

Facts need to checked before making a claim about such a medical

person. He is not a "Chiro" but "DO".

Toni Marie Lombardo wrote:

Not too lazy, too busy. I'm working on recovering my kids from

autism spectrum disorders and balancing their diet, and such. I read a

lot.

I pass on the info I read and where. It's up to the people who want to

believe it to look up the source or not.

I supp Vit D and I live in Florida and we don't use sunblock. We

actually shower after being outside because generally we've been in the

pool and we've got to get the chlorine off. It's toxic.

And I really don't think Dr. Joe has anything to gain by telling people

to wash their pits and privates but leave the oil on the rest of their

skin. If people follow this advice, what money is he gaining???

Oh. we also have VDR (vitamin D receptor) mutations in our family so we

have to do crazy dosing of vit D to keep levels at acceptable range.

5000IU/daily and I still can't get to mid-range levels.

Anyway, how about the fact that a lot of Dr. Joe's critics would also

criticize low dose naltrexone, and also poopoo that CFS even exists....

I'll still stick with trusting Dr. Joe than the other lot of them. We

use cream LDN and most people cannot even accept that what we put on

our skin can be absorbed to amount to anything. I tried LDN cream, I

like it's effects. I didn't read all the sources, studies, or whatever.

I need to move on to the next "thing" to learn.

You dislike the guy, I don't think it's worth than more than the effort

I've given here to try to find you sources to debate the subject. But

if someone out there wants to try it, or wants to look it up, well they

can do it. We;ll be taking the supp D.

On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 1:37 AM, ursus357 <ursus357@...>

wrote:

Joe, who I personally like, gave no references in his bizarre assertion

that had anything to do with showering. Cannell has also repeated this

"wash off D with soap" tripe with no back up data.

Both mean well but have flawed ability to think critically or

scientifically. Both are out to make a buck by pushing propaganda. Wiki

can be trusted for at least a stolen diagram of human skin. Skin

structure is not rocket science.

If you are too lazy to look for valid sources then you may end up

believing the moon is made of green cheese. You are naturally free to

believe whatever you want based upon blind faith, or even reasoned

faith.

cheers, P.B.

>

> > Joe Mercola is out of his mind here, as there has never been

one study to

> > show that humans will wash off with soap deep epidermal

layers of oil based

> > secosteroids (D3) formed in the skin.

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