Guest guest Posted September 21, 2008 Report Share Posted September 21, 2008 What I just asked you was on the CHT tests! you are suppose to know this! You sell the chambers, you are responsible to know these facts. How in the world can you say you give them 40 hours of training when you know nothing? YOU are giving medical advice by your lack of knowledge. You need to learn about physics and HBOT. Listen, If you insist on selling soft chambers, you need to take the basic course at the very least. If you really care about people at least take a course and learn about the contraindications. Every single time you answer, you dig a bigger hole for yourself. Call me, I will find a course for you. Now hear me out, I really mean this: don't get your pride up, you are putting people at risk. What would the company that you represent think if I were to mail them your e-mails? This is getting to the point where it is embarrassing. If you really care for people do the right thing here. [ ] Re: Medical Advice > I'm not a doctor, and neither are you. That's why neither of us are > supposed to give medical advice. I'm happy to give suggestions to > people who buy portable chambers, however, I don't sell chambers to > people who are not under a doctor's care. > > I realize that as an operator of a hard chamber clinic, you lose tens > of thousands of dollars in income each time someone buys a portable > chamber for home use. Sadly, instead of thinking of what's best for > your patients, you seem more concerned with your bottom line. Both > hard chambers and soft chambers have a place in hyperbaric medicine. > > Some of the people I work with do an initial round 40 hard chamber > dives and buy a portable chamber for long term follow up. I'm all for > combining hard and soft HBOT if that is what a patient feels is best. > It would be great if we could all work together for the benefit of the > patients. > > Diane > > > > ------------------------------------ > > " So I say to you: Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; > knock and the door will be opened to you. For everyone who asks receives; > he who seeks finds; and to him who knocks, the door will be opened. " [Luke > 11: 9-10] > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2008 Report Share Posted September 21, 2008 Anyone who is also a member of Hartsoe's NeuroHBOT list serve, be advised that you only receive half of the information that is posted. will not post any comments that may be harmful to his own financial gain. I am sure that most of you are aware of this, but the rest of you now know. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry [ ] Re: Medical Advice I'm not a doctor, and neither are you. That's why neither of us are supposed to give medical advice. I'm happy to give suggestions to people who buy portable chambers, however, I don't sell chambers to people who are not under a doctor's care. I realize that as an operator of a hard chamber clinic, you lose tens of thousands of dollars in income each time someone buys a portable chamber for home use. Sadly, instead of thinking of what's best for your patients, you seem more concerned with your bottom line. Both hard chambers and soft chambers have a place in hyperbaric medicine. Some of the people I work with do an initial round 40 hard chamber dives and buy a portable chamber for long term follow up. I'm all for combining hard and soft HBOT if that is what a patient feels is best. It would be great if we could all work together for the benefit of the patients. Diane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2008 Report Share Posted September 21, 2008 People who operate hard chambers are required to take CHT tests. Operating hard chambers is incredibly dangerous. You can blow up your chambers or set them on fire if you are not incredibly careful. Even though hard chambers are not supposed to be pressurized with 100% oxygen, the majority of hard chamber clinics disregard this important aspect of hyperbaric chamber safety protocol. That is why there have been numerous hard chamber fires over the years, and no soft chamber fires. Operating a soft chamber is incredibly safe and extremely easy. Since soft chambers are pressurized with room air, you can not accidently blow them up or set them on fire. That is why so many people have them in their homes. Diane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2008 Report Share Posted September 21, 2008 Well said Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry [ ] Re: Medical Advice People who operate hard chambers are required to take CHT tests. Operating hard chambers is incredibly dangerous. You can blow up your chambers or set them on fire if you are not incredibly careful. Even though hard chambers are not supposed to be pressurized with 100% oxygen, the majority of hard chamber clinics disregard this important aspect of hyperbaric chamber safety protocol. That is why there have been numerous hard chamber fires over the years, and no soft chamber fires. Operating a soft chamber is incredibly safe and extremely easy. Since soft chambers are pressurized with room air, you can not accidently blow them up or set them on fire. That is why so many people have them in their homes. Diane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2008 Report Share Posted September 21, 2008 I have news for you, Soft chambers can blow up too and have rapid decompression, cause the bends and hurt people, It is amazing that you defend yourself. You are a fool. I am going to write the company that you represent and send them all of the e-mails statements that you have sent. Lets see what they think of your knowledge. DID you know the most shallow pnumeo was in two feet of water on air? [ ] Re: Medical Advice > People who operate hard chambers are required to take CHT tests. > Operating hard chambers is incredibly dangerous. You can blow up your > chambers or set them on fire if you are not incredibly careful. Even > though hard chambers are not supposed to be pressurized with 100% > oxygen, the majority of hard chamber clinics disregard this important > aspect of hyperbaric chamber safety protocol. That is why there have > been numerous hard chamber fires over the years, and no soft chamber > fires. > > Operating a soft chamber is incredibly safe and extremely easy. Since > soft chambers are pressurized with room air, you can not accidently > blow them up or set them on fire. That is why so many people have them > in their homes. > > Diane > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > " So I say to you: Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; > knock and the door will be opened to you. For everyone who asks receives; > he who seeks finds; and to him who knocks, the door will be opened. " [Luke > 11: 9-10] > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2008 Report Share Posted September 21, 2008 A dive in a soft chamber at 1.3 ATA is like going to the bottom of your swimming pool. It is impossible to get the bends in your swimming pool or in a soft chamber. Diane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 22, 2008 Report Share Posted September 22, 2008 Could someone please direct me to the documentation that supports the below stated information: " That is why there have been numerous hard chamber fires over the years, and no soft chamber fires " . Have there actually been any documented incidences of blowing chambers up? Please, I would be interested in reading the documentation. In what state(s) have these fires taken place? Were there fatalities? Respectfully, Judith Burkholder medicaid@...: hyperbaric1@...: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 20:52:49 -0700Subject: Re: [ ] Re: Medical Advice I have news for you, Soft chambers can blow up too and have rapid decompression, cause the bends and hurt people, It is amazing that you defend yourself.You are a fool. I am going to write the company that you represent and send them all of the e-mails statements that you have sent. Lets see what they think of your knowledge.DID you know the most shallow pnumeo was in two feet of water on air? [ ] Re: Medical Advice> People who operate hard chambers are required to take CHT tests.> Operating hard chambers is incredibly dangerous. You can blow up your> chambers or set them on fire if you are not incredibly careful. Even> though hard chambers are not supposed to be pressurized with 100%> oxygen, the majority of hard chamber clinics disregard this important> aspect of hyperbaric chamber safety protocol. That is why there have> been numerous hard chamber fires over the years, and no soft chamber> fires.>> Operating a soft chamber is incredibly safe and extremely easy. Since> soft chambers are pressurized with room air, you can not accidently> blow them up or set them on fire. That is why so many people have them> in their homes.>> Diane>>>>> ------------------------------------>> " So I say to you: Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; > knock and the door will be opened to you. For everyone who asks receives; > he who seeks finds; and to him who knocks, the door will be opened. " [Luke > 11: 9-10]> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 22, 2008 Report Share Posted September 22, 2008 I know this is not my dance, but I have to agree with that I think anyone selling chambers of any kind should have training---and lots of it. There are protocols that are simple and easy to follow, but they can be discarded or misinterpreted if they are not well understood. I know all the chambers we've been in have had strict rules and if we even " bend " a rule---they won't operate the chamber. No exceptions. has been quite generous with information to me about specific conditions and has not ever once tried to sell me on using her chambers. You, Diane, have been sending me numerous unwanted emails about your chambers. I have simply pressed " delete " and not complained. However, it seems to me you are casting some stones that you have the appearance of being guilty yourself. I don't know how long you've been in the group, but I'd never heard of you until you began to solicit selling me chambers. has been in the group since before I joined and has never solicited me for any purpose. That's just how it looks from the outside. On Sun, Sep 21, 2008 at 10:08 PM, hbotforhealth <diane@...>wrote: > I'm not a doctor, and neither are you. That's why neither of us are > supposed to give medical advice. I'm happy to give suggestions to > people who buy portable chambers, however, I don't sell chambers to > people who are not under a doctor's care. > > I realize that as an operator of a hard chamber clinic, you lose tens > of thousands of dollars in income each time someone buys a portable > chamber for home use. Sadly, instead of thinking of what's best for > your patients, you seem more concerned with your bottom line. Both > hard chambers and soft chambers have a place in hyperbaric medicine. > > Some of the people I work with do an initial round 40 hard chamber > dives and buy a portable chamber for long term follow up. I'm all for > combining hard and soft HBOT if that is what a patient feels is best. > It would be great if we could all work together for the benefit of the > patients. > > Diane > > > -- Donna Bateman Neurodevelopmental Specialist www.parentswithpurpose.com Mom to 24, Katy 22, Preston 19, Annie 17, Kent 15, Callie 12 (cured from dyslexia), Carson 10, Dawson 8 (brain injured--was severe now mild!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 22, 2008 Report Share Posted September 22, 2008 Well said!! It seems like Diane is the one looking at the bottom line! _____ From: medicaid [mailto:medicaid ] On Behalf Of Donna Bateman Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 7:30 AM medicaid Subject: Re: [ ] Re: Medical Advice I know this is not my dance, but I have to agree with that I think anyone selling chambers of any kind should have training---and lots of it. There are protocols that are simple and easy to follow, but they can be discarded or misinterpreted if they are not well understood. I know all the chambers we've been in have had strict rules and if we even " bend " a rule---they won't operate the chamber. No exceptions. has been quite generous with information to me about specific conditions and has not ever once tried to sell me on using her chambers. You, Diane, have been sending me numerous unwanted emails about your chambers. I have simply pressed " delete " and not complained. However, it seems to me you are casting some stones that you have the appearance of being guilty yourself. I don't know how long you've been in the group, but I'd never heard of you until you began to solicit selling me chambers. has been in the group since before I joined and has never solicited me for any purpose. That's just how it looks from the outside. On Sun, Sep 21, 2008 at 10:08 PM, hbotforhealth <dianehealingdives (DOT) <mailto:diane%40healingdives.com> com>wrote: > I'm not a doctor, and neither are you. That's why neither of us are > supposed to give medical advice. I'm happy to give suggestions to > people who buy portable chambers, however, I don't sell chambers to > people who are not under a doctor's care. > > I realize that as an operator of a hard chamber clinic, you lose tens > of thousands of dollars in income each time someone buys a portable > chamber for home use. Sadly, instead of thinking of what's best for > your patients, you seem more concerned with your bottom line. Both > hard chambers and soft chambers have a place in hyperbaric medicine. > > Some of the people I work with do an initial round 40 hard chamber > dives and buy a portable chamber for long term follow up. I'm all for > combining hard and soft HBOT if that is what a patient feels is best. > It would be great if we could all work together for the benefit of the > patients. > > Diane > > > -- Donna Bateman Neurodevelopmental Specialist www.parentswithpurpose.com Mom to 24, Katy 22, Preston 19, Annie 17, Kent 15, Callie 12 (cured from dyslexia), Carson 10, Dawson 8 (brain injured--was severe now mild!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 22, 2008 Report Share Posted September 22, 2008 I am sorry to tell you Diane that you are miss informed is correct. This is called shallow water decompression sickness... Sudylo RN / CHT www.juliashbot.com From: hbotforhealth <diane@...> Subject: [ ] Re: Medical Advice medicaid Date: Sunday, September 21, 2008, 11:58 PM A dive in a soft chamber at 1.3 ATA is like going to the bottom of your swimming pool. It is impossible to get the bends in your swimming pool or in a soft chamber. Diane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 22, 2008 Report Share Posted September 22, 2008 A great place to start in answering all these questions is by simply taking a Hyperbaric Course. There are several available. All of these questions can be answered there. I will say this if your getting one for your own personal use then what ever you choose to do is up to you. Â When you start selling them I agree with some type of course should be implemented before you do so. I have my chamber operations and SAFTEY Cert. I tell you I took a course on Chamber operations and safety. I still do not sell chambers. Only the one I used myself and I decided not to sell it recently. Â Donna can tell you. She has seen my establishment and all certifications are posted above the chamber including my EMT certification. Along with several continuing education courses etc. Respiratory courses etc. It was very hard for me on some of these courses but I did it and you can to. Â When questions such as some of these that have been asked. I think you should take the course. From: hbotforhealth <dianehealingdives (DOT) com> Subject: [ ] Re: Medical Advice medicaid Date: Sunday, September 21, 2008, 11:58 PM A dive in a soft chamber at 1.3 ATA is like going to the bottom of your swimming pool. It is impossible to get the bends in your swimming pool or in a soft chamber. Diane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 22, 2008 Report Share Posted September 22, 2008 You can do a search on the FDA site. There have been fires, and fatalities associated with them. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry Re: [ ] Re: Medical Advice I have news for you, Soft chambers can blow up too and have rapid decompression, cause the bends and hurt people, It is amazing that you defend yourself.You are a fool. I am going to write the company that you represent and send them all of the e-mails statements that you have sent. Lets see what they think of your knowledge.DID you know the most shallow pnumeo was in two feet of water on air? [ ] Re: Medical Advice> People who operate hard chambers are required to take CHT tests.> Operating hard chambers is incredibly dangerous. You can blow up your> chambers or set them on fire if you are not incredibly careful. Even> though hard chambers are not supposed to be pressurized with 100%> oxygen, the majority of hard chamber clinics disregard this important> aspect of hyperbaric chamber safety protocol. That is why there have> been numerous hard chamber fires over the years, and no soft chamber> fires.>> Operating a soft chamber is incredibly safe and extremely easy. Since> soft chambers are pressurized with room air, you can not accidently> blow them up or set them on fire. That is why so many people have them> in their homes.>> Diane>>>>> ------------------------------------>> " So I say to you: Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; > knock and the door will be opened to you. For everyone who asks receives; > he who seeks finds; and to him who knocks, the door will be opened. " [Luke > 11: 9-10]> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 22, 2008 Report Share Posted September 22, 2008 Fires are extremely rare and have occurred mostly from multi-place chambers. I don't think there's been one in the US in 30+ years. Re: [ ] Re: Medical Advice > > > > >I have news for you, Soft chambers can blow up too and have rapid decompression, cause the bends and hurt people, It is amazing that you defend yourself.You are a fool. I am going to write the company that you represent and send them all of the e-mails statements that you have sent. Lets see what they think of your knowledge.DID you know the most shallow pnumeo was in two feet of water on air? [ ] Re: Medical Advice> People who operate hard chambers are required to take CHT tests.> Operating hard chambers is incredibly dangerous. You can blow up your> chambers or set them on fire if you are not incredibly careful. Even> though hard chambers are not supposed to be pressurized with 100%> oxygen, the majority of hard chamber clinics disregard this important> aspect of hyperbaric chamber safety protocol. That is why there have> been numerous hard chamber fires over the years, and no soft chamber> fires.>> Operating a soft chamber is incredibly safe and extremely easy. Since> soft chambers are pressurized with room air, you can not accidently> blow them up or set them on fire. That is why so many people have them> in their homes.>> Diane>>>>> ------------------------------------>> " So I say to you: Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; > knock and the door will be opened to you. For everyone who asks receives; > he who seeks finds; and to him who knocks, the door will be opened. " [Luke > 11: 9-10]> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 22, 2008 Report Share Posted September 22, 2008 True, but the question was if there had been any. It is also important to note that they were caused by un approved devices in the chamber. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry Re: [ ] Re: Medical Advice > > > > >I have news for you, Soft chambers can blow up too and have rapid decompression, cause the bends and hurt people, It is amazing that you defend yourself.You are a fool. I am going to write the company that you represent and send them all of the e-mails statements that you have sent. Lets see what they think of your knowledge.DID you know the most shallow pnumeo was in two feet of water on air? [ ] Re: Medical Advice> People who operate hard chambers are required to take CHT tests.> Operating hard chambers is incredibly dangerous. You can blow up your> chambers or set them on fire if you are not incredibly careful. Even> though hard chambers are not supposed to be pressurized with 100%> oxygen, the majority of hard chamber clinics disregard this important> aspect of hyperbaric chamber safety protocol. That is why there have> been numerous hard chamber fires over the years, and no soft chamber> fires.>> Operating a soft chamber is incredibly safe and extremely easy. Since> soft chambers are pressurized with room air, you can not accidently> blow them up or set them on fire. That is why so many people have them> in their homes.>> Diane>>>>> ------------------------------------>> " So I say to you: Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; > knock and the door will be opened to you. For everyone who asks receives; > he who seeks finds; and to him who knocks, the door will be opened. " [Luke > 11: 9-10]> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 22, 2008 Report Share Posted September 22, 2008 , Canyou send me an email off of the list at szymonski@...? Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry Re: [ ] Re: Medical Advice > > > > >I have news for you, Soft chambers can blow up too and have rapid decompression, cause the bends and hurt people, It is amazing that you defend yourself.You are a fool. I am going to write the company that you represent and send them all of the e-mails statements that you have sent. Lets see what they think of your knowledge.DID you know the most shallow pnumeo was in two feet of water on air? [ ] Re: Medical Advice> People who operate hard chambers are required to take CHT tests.> Operating hard chambers is incredibly dangerous. You can blow up your> chambers or set them on fire if you are not incredibly careful. Even> though hard chambers are not supposed to be pressurized with 100%> oxygen, the majority of hard chamber clinics disregard this important> aspect of hyperbaric chamber safety protocol. That is why there have> been numerous hard chamber fires over the years, and no soft chamber> fires.>> Operating a soft chamber is incredibly safe and extremely easy. Since> soft chambers are pressurized with room air, you can not accidently> blow them up or set them on fire. That is why so many people have them> in their homes.>> Diane>>>>> ------------------------------------>> " So I say to you: Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; > knock and the door will be opened to you. For everyone who asks receives; > he who seeks finds; and to him who knocks, the door will be opened. " [Luke > 11: 9-10]> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 22, 2008 Report Share Posted September 22, 2008 The only US fire I have heard of was in a multi-place chamber and was a " Compressor fire " . Sechrist chambers operate off of compressed O2 pressure and cannot have that kind of fire. O2 fires have started in chambers in Japan, for example, because patients brought in electric hand warmers, and sparkler toys. (O2 feeds fire). No such fires have happened in the US as far as I know. Why collapsible chambers do not have those fires is they have very little pressure and they do not have 100% O2 pumped in. I hope this helps. Ed At 07:06 AM 9/22/2008, you wrote: >Fires are extremely rare and have occurred >mostly from multi-place chambers. I don't think >there's been one in the US in 30+ years. > > > [ ] Re: Medical Advice> People > who operate hard chambers are required to take > CHT tests.> Operating hard chambers is > incredibly dangerous. You can blow up your> > chambers or set them on fire if you are not > incredibly careful. Even> though hard chambers > are not supposed to be pressurized with 100%> > oxygen, the majority of hard chamber clinics > disregard this important> aspect of hyperbaric > chamber safety protocol. That is why there > have> been numerous hard chamber fires over the > years, and no soft chamber> fires.>> Operating > a soft chamber is incredibly safe and extremely > easy. Since> soft chambers are pressurized with > room air, you can not accidently> blow them up > or set them on fire. That is why so many people > have them> in their homes.>> Diane>>>>> > ------------------------------------>> " So I > say to you: Ask and it will be given to you; > seek and you will find; > knock and the door > will be opened to you. For everyone who asks > receives; > he who seeks finds; and to him who > knocks, the door will be opened. " [Luke > 11: > 9-10]> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 22, 2008 Report Share Posted September 22, 2008 I have to say I think we worked it out and I for my apologize rudeness to her, I was just exhausted and being human I lost my temper. I have sent her a list of contra indications. So that resolved the problem and this was the goal to help people. again I apologize for my rudeness it was complete unchristian of me and out of line completely. again even if we disagree on our choice of chambers I was out of line. I just want to make a public statement. I have no excuse for my choice of words. I feel horrible about it. SORRY! sincerely Re: [ ] Re: Medical Advice >I know this is not my dance, but I have to agree with that I think > anyone selling chambers of any kind should have training---and lots of it. > There are protocols that are simple and easy to follow, but they can be > discarded or misinterpreted if they are not well understood. I know all > the > chambers we've been in have had strict rules and if we even " bend " a > rule---they won't operate the chamber. No exceptions. > > has been quite generous with information to me about specific > conditions and has not ever once tried to sell me on using her chambers. > You, Diane, have been sending me numerous unwanted emails about your > chambers. I have simply pressed " delete " and not complained. However, > it > seems to me you are casting some stones that you have the appearance of > being guilty yourself. > > I don't know how long you've been in the group, but I'd never heard of you > until you began to solicit selling me chambers. has been in the > group > since before I joined and has never solicited me for any purpose. > > That's just how it looks from the outside. > > On Sun, Sep 21, 2008 at 10:08 PM, hbotforhealth > <diane@...>wrote: > >> I'm not a doctor, and neither are you. That's why neither of us are >> supposed to give medical advice. I'm happy to give suggestions to >> people who buy portable chambers, however, I don't sell chambers to >> people who are not under a doctor's care. >> >> I realize that as an operator of a hard chamber clinic, you lose tens >> of thousands of dollars in income each time someone buys a portable >> chamber for home use. Sadly, instead of thinking of what's best for >> your patients, you seem more concerned with your bottom line. Both >> hard chambers and soft chambers have a place in hyperbaric medicine. >> >> Some of the people I work with do an initial round 40 hard chamber >> dives and buy a portable chamber for long term follow up. I'm all for >> combining hard and soft HBOT if that is what a patient feels is best. >> It would be great if we could all work together for the benefit of the >> patients. >> >> Diane >> >> >> > > > > -- > Donna Bateman > Neurodevelopmental Specialist > www.parentswithpurpose.com > Mom to 24, Katy 22, Preston 19, Annie 17, Kent 15, Callie 12 (cured > from dyslexia), Carson 10, Dawson 8 (brain injured--was severe now mild!) > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 22, 2008 Report Share Posted September 22, 2008 Hi , Â God knows your heart, you do as well. For making a public appology only proves how big it is. Â BTW, I didn't think you where rude, just to the point.. Â Blessings, Â Sudylo RN / CHT www.juliashbot.com > >> I'm not a doctor, and neither are you. That's why neither of us are >> supposed to give medical advice. I'm happy to give suggestions to >> people who buy portable chambers, however, I don't sell chambers to >> people who are not under a doctor's care. >> >> I realize that as an operator of a hard chamber clinic, you lose tens >> of thousands of dollars in income each time someone buys a portable >> chamber for home use. Sadly, instead of thinking of what's best for >> your patients, you seem more concerned with your bottom line. Both >> hard chambers and soft chambers have a place in hyperbaric medicine. >> >> Some of the people I work with do an initial round 40 hard chamber >> dives and buy a portable chamber for long term follow up. I'm all for >> combining hard and soft HBOT if that is what a patient feels is best. >> It would be great if we could all work together for the benefit of the >> patients. >> >> Diane >> >> >> > > > > -- > Donna Bateman > Neurodevelopmental Specialist > www.parentswithpurp ose.com > Mom to 24, Katy 22, Preston 19, Annie 17, Kent 15, Callie 12 (cured > from dyslexia), Carson 10, Dawson 8 (brain injured--was severe now mild!) > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 22, 2008 Report Share Posted September 22, 2008 Darin---you're keeping your chamber?????? Yes, I've seen the certifications---they are many. And yes, he's darned strict about the protocols being followed precisely. On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 7:57 AM, Darin <darin_bryant@...>wrote: > A great place to start in answering all these questions is by simply > taking a Hyperbaric Course. There are several available. All of these > questions can be answered there. I will say this if your getting one for > your own personal use then what ever you choose to do is up to you. > > When you start selling them I agree with some type of course should > be implemented before you do so. > I have my chamber operations and SAFTEY Cert. I tell you I took a course on > Chamber operations and safety. I still do not sell chambers. Only the one I > used myself and I decided not to sell it recently. > > Donna can tell you. She has seen my establishment and all certifications > are posted above the chamber including my EMT certification. Along with > several continuing education courses etc. Respiratory courses etc. It was > very hard for me on some of these courses but I did it and you can to. > > When questions such as some of these that have been asked. I think you > should take the course. > > > > From: hbotforhealth <dianehealingdives (DOT) com> > Subject: [ ] Re: Medical Advice > medicaid > Date: Sunday, September 21, 2008, 11:58 PM > > A dive in a soft chamber at 1.3 ATA is like going to the bottom of your > swimming pool. It is impossible to get the bends in your swimming pool > or in a soft chamber. > > Diane > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 22, 2008 Report Share Posted September 22, 2008 Title: HYPERBARIC CHAMBER FIRES: AN UPDATE Issue Date: 1998 Abstract: BACKGROUND: Previously reported were 77 human fatalities in 35 hyperbaric facility fires in Asia, Europe, and North America (1). This is an update of the chamber fire report. METHODS: Data were obtained from news reports, personal interview and from the Undersea and Hyperbaric Medical Society (UHMS) Chamber Experience and Mishap Database. RESULTS: Five additional chamber fires resulted in 14 human fatalities and 2 serious burn injuries. Smoking caused fires in 2 North American diving decompression chambers (1985, 1997) resulting in 2 severely burned and one fatality, respectively. In 2 European clinical chamber fires (1996, 1997), smoking caused 1 fatality, and a gas-operated hand warmer caused 11 fatalities, respectively. The percent oxygen in these air-filled chambers is unknown. One fatality occurred in a Central American pure oxygen clinical chamber fire (1997), caused by a child's friction toy. This brings the total of 91 known human fatalities from 40 hyperbaric facitity fires occurring during 1923-1997. CONCLUSION: Findings support our previous report that recent chamber fires have been primarily caused by prohibited sources of ignition that an occupant carried inside the chamber. REFERENCE: Sheffield P.J., Desautels D.A. Hyperbaric and hypobaric chamber fires: a 73-year analysis. Undersea Hyper Med 1997; 24(3): 153-164. Description: Undersea and Hyperbaric Medical Society, Inc. http://archive.rubicon-foundation.org/644 > > > Could someone please direct me to the documentation that supports the below stated information: " That is why there have been numerous hard chamber fires over the years, and no soft chamber fires " . Have there actually been any documented incidences of blowing chambers up? Please, I would be interested in reading the documentation. > In what state(s) have these fires taken place? Were there fatalities? > Respectfully, > Judith Burkholder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 22, 2008 Report Share Posted September 22, 2008 Another thing to keep in mind: petroleum based products (lipstick, chapstick, vaseline, etc) can spontaneously combust when exposed to 100% 02. I have seen 2nd and 3rd degree burns from this. Please keep in mind when taking or giving treatments. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry [ ] Re: Medical Advice Title: HYPERBARIC CHAMBER FIRES: AN UPDATE Issue Date: 1998 Abstract: BACKGROUND: Previously reported were 77 human fatalities in 35 hyperbaric facility fires in Asia, Europe, and North America (1). This is an update of the chamber fire report. METHODS: Data were obtained from news reports, personal interview and from the Undersea and Hyperbaric Medical Society (UHMS) Chamber Experience and Mishap Database. RESULTS: Five additional chamber fires resulted in 14 human fatalities and 2 serious burn injuries. Smoking caused fires in 2 North American diving decompression chambers (1985, 1997) resulting in 2 severely burned and one fatality, respectively. In 2 European clinical chamber fires (1996, 1997), smoking caused 1 fatality, and a gas-operated hand warmer caused 11 fatalities, respectively. The percent oxygen in these air-filled chambers is unknown. One fatality occurred in a Central American pure oxygen clinical chamber fire (1997), caused by a child's friction toy. This brings the total of 91 known human fatalities from 40 hyperbaric facitity fires occurring during 1923-1997. CONCLUSION: Findings support our previous report that recent chamber fires have been primarily caused by prohibited sources of ignition that an occupant carried inside the chamber. REFERENCE: Sheffield P.J., Desautels D.A. Hyperbaric and hypobaric chamber fires: a 73-year analysis. Undersea Hyper Med 1997; 24(3): 153-164. Description: Undersea and Hyperbaric Medical Society, Inc. http://archive.rubicon-foundation.org/644 > > > Could someone please direct me to the documentation that supports the below stated information: " That is why there have been numerous hard chamber fires over the years, and no soft chamber fires " . Have there actually been any documented incidences of blowing chambers up? Please, I would be interested in reading the documentation. > In what state(s) have these fires taken place? Were there fatalities? > Respectfully, > Judith Burkholder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 22, 2008 Report Share Posted September 22, 2008 , I accept your apology. Diane > > I have to say I think we worked it out and I for my apologize rudeness to > her, I was just exhausted and being human I lost my temper. I have sent her > a list of contra indications. So that resolved the problem and this was the > goal to help people. again I apologize for my rudeness it was complete > unchristian of me and out of line completely. > again even if we disagree on our choice of chambers I was out of line. I > just want to make a public statement. I have no excuse for my choice of > words. I feel horrible about it. SORRY! > sincerely > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2008 Report Share Posted September 23, 2008 and I accept that you have agreed to post the contraindications and fire safety aspects of HBOT on your site and to your customers. I stand by my convictions but my choice of words are really poor! I am a hard working woman and can be pretty blunt, just ask my husband ! haha I would not want to be married to me!! :-) [ ] Re: Medical Advice > , I accept your apology. > > Diane > > >> >> I have to say I think we worked it out and I for my apologize > rudeness to >> her, I was just exhausted and being human I lost my temper. I have > sent her >> a list of contra indications. So that resolved the problem and this > was the >> goal to help people. again I apologize for my rudeness it was > complete >> unchristian of me and out of line completely. >> again even if we disagree on our choice of chambers I was out of > line. I >> just want to make a public statement. I have no excuse for my > choice of >> words. I feel horrible about it. SORRY! >> sincerely >> > > > > ------------------------------------ > > " So I say to you: Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; > knock and the door will be opened to you. For everyone who asks receives; > he who seeks finds; and to him who knocks, the door will be opened. " [Luke > 11: 9-10] > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2008 Report Share Posted September 23, 2008 that report is over 10 years old, and only one in America.. 1997 Imagine ONE! I think it was a seacrest. The techs are always blamed. since then things have changed! If the bags use an oxygen concentrator they had better change too! as for me: I am strict on what goes in extremely strict.. see www.hbot4u.com I have heard bag chambers take in TVs games etc.. you are asking for trouble if you do that. ( trouble does not fully explain it) That is not what concerns me about bags. it is the last of good training and basic know how. If they are trained they would know what to do and what not to do. That is why they have pressure vessels for human occup. certification. Just give it time, the numbers will mount up with accidents for the bags. They do not come under the strict guidelines as hard chambers and they really should because we are talking about plastic and zippers. So reporting and safety is going to be an issue here. There again I don't want to get started again. I made my point clear but I was wrong the way I made it. for that I apologize again. I was not giving medical advice, what I asked was some of the simple questions on the test as I remember them. [ ] Re: Medical Advice > Title: HYPERBARIC CHAMBER FIRES: AN UPDATE > Issue Date: 1998 > > Abstract: > BACKGROUND: Previously reported were 77 human fatalities in 35 > hyperbaric facility fires in Asia, Europe, and North America (1). > This is an update of the chamber fire report. > > METHODS: Data were obtained from news reports, personal interview and > from the Undersea and Hyperbaric Medical Society (UHMS) Chamber > Experience and Mishap Database. > > RESULTS: Five additional chamber fires resulted in 14 human > fatalities and 2 serious burn injuries. Smoking caused fires in 2 > North American diving decompression chambers (1985, 1997) resulting > in 2 severely burned and one fatality, respectively. In 2 European > clinical chamber fires (1996, 1997), smoking caused 1 fatality, and a > gas-operated hand warmer caused 11 fatalities, respectively. The > percent oxygen in these air-filled chambers is unknown. One fatality > occurred in a Central American pure oxygen clinical chamber fire > (1997), caused by a child's friction toy. This brings the total of 91 > known human fatalities from 40 hyperbaric facitity fires occurring > during 1923-1997. > > CONCLUSION: Findings support our previous report that recent chamber > fires have been primarily caused by prohibited sources of ignition > that an occupant carried inside the chamber. > > REFERENCE: Sheffield P.J., Desautels D.A. Hyperbaric and hypobaric > chamber fires: a 73-year analysis. Undersea Hyper Med 1997; 24(3): > 153-164. Description: Undersea and Hyperbaric Medical Society, Inc. > > http://archive.rubicon-foundation.org/644 > > >> >> >> Could someone please direct me to the documentation that supports > the below stated information: " That is why there have been numerous > hard chamber fires over the years, and no soft chamber fires " . Have > there actually been any documented incidences of blowing chambers > up? Please, I would be interested in reading the documentation. >> In what state(s) have these fires taken place? Were there > fatalities? >> Respectfully, >> Judith Burkholder > > > > ------------------------------------ > > " So I say to you: Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. For everyone who asks receives; he who seeks finds; and to him who knocks, the door will be opened. " [Luke 11: 9-10] > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2008 Report Share Posted September 23, 2008 I am assembling a checklist of items for everyone who purchases a chamber. The checklist will also be available to anyone who requests it. However, it will not be posted on my web site. Diane > > and I accept that you have agreed to post the contraindications and fire > safety aspects of HBOT on your site and to your customers. > I stand by my convictions but my choice of words are really poor! I am a > hard working woman and can be pretty blunt, just ask my husband ! haha I > would not want to be married to me!! :-) > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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