Re: medical advice

September 23, 2008

If anyone is interested in working with my technicians for a

hyperbaric chamber installation anywhere in the world, they can book

their services through me. I will provide their CV's upon request.

Diane

>

> >Since 1995, our certified

> >technicians have installed everything from portable hyperbaric

> >chambers for home use to multi-place chambers in clinics and

> >hospitals.

> Diane,

>

> Please provide the names of these technicians and/or the

companies/organizations they work for.

>

> Thank you.

> DF

September 23, 2008

Diane,

Please send their CV's to me at mailto:dfreels@....

Thank you.

Freels

[ ] Re: Medical Advice

>

>If anyone is interested in working with my technicians for a

>hyperbaric chamber installation anywhere in the world, they can book

>their services through me. I will provide their CV's upon request.

>

>Diane

>

>>

>> >Since 1995, our certified

>> >technicians have installed everything from portable hyperbaric

>> >chambers for home use to multi-place chambers in clinics and

>> >hospitals.

>

>> Diane,

>>

>> Please provide the names of these technicians and/or the

>companies/organizations they work for.

>>

>> Thank you.

>

>> DF

>

Freels

http://www.davidfreels.com

david@...

September 24, 2008

I do not believe that they set up portables in Hospitals

[ ] Re: Medical Advice

This is information on the optional training program that I offer to

everyone who buys one of my hyperbaric chambers.

Diane

Chamber Set-Up & Training:

While the Healing Dives Portable Hyperbaric Chambers are designed to

be user friendly, some people would prefer to have a professional

assist them with set-up and training. Since 1995, our certified

technicians have installed everything from portable hyperbaric

chambers for home use to multi-place chambers in clinics and

hospitals.

These professionals have trained hundreds of individuals, families,

and institutions on the correct procedures for operating their

hyperbaric chambers so they will get the most out of their investment

and have the confidence to operate their chamber safely. Our

hyperbaric training program will help relieve any concerns you may

have with unfamiliar components. Our technicians will instruct you

using easy-to-understand terms. All technicians are factory trained

and certified.

Includes:

Assembly - A certified hyperbaric technician will arrive at the

location of your chamber on a pre-determined date and time to

completely assemble all the components that will be utilized with

your new chamber.

Modification - The technician will conduct a full on-site evaluation

of each component, and will make any necessary adjustments to meet

your personal needs.

Orientation - The technician will identify every sub-component of

your system and explain how everything becomes integrated into a

working chamber in plain language. Hands on experience will be

provided for each member of your staff or family.

Training - The technician will conduct a course covering basic

hyperbaric theory and hyperbaric chamber safety for up to four

participants. You will learn the science behind hyperbaric oxygen

therapy, as well as the correct procedures to follow to ensure the

safe operation of your chamber.

>

> Training by whom, Diane YOU?

>

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" So I say to you: Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find;

knock and the door will be opened to you. For everyone who asks receives; he

who seeks finds; and to him who knocks, the door will be opened. " [Luke 11:

9-10]

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

September 24, 2008

My technician trains people who operate both hard and soft chambers.

Diane

>

> I do not believe that they set up portables in Hospitals

>

September 24, 2008

To Syzmonski:

I can only say that I am in awe of your absolute certainty, in light of your

amazing ability to disseminate misinformation (from your Blackberry) at the

speed of light. Your pronouncements are the farthest thing possible from " common

sense. "

Look, I have had 40 hyperbaric oxygen treatments, approximately six months ago,

and I believe in the use of hyperbaric oxygen.. I am a proponent of HBOT for

appropriate uses--in my case, a traumatic brain injury. I have seen others

benefit from HBOT for a wide variety of other medical problems.

I was extremely happy with and impressed by the operation of the facility where

I was treated-(free plug) Wisconsin Integrative Hyperbarics, in Madison, WI.

I have seen improvement in some of my deficits, most notably improvement in my

sleep disorder, which was crippling in itself, although I still have disabling

injuries which make it hard for me to do most things in my life.

I hope to be able to have more HBOT therapy, and would be doing so now, if I

could afford it. (This is not an invitation for those of you who sell equipment

to write to me, so please don't.)

Let me make it clear that I have no argument with the use of either hard or soft

shell chambers. My point in the past few days is that HBOT treatment can and

should be quite safely administered at home or in a clinic, but safety

considerations are critical.

Critical thinking promotes safety.

Sloppy thinking, and misinformation presented as absolute Gospel is dangerous.

Other people on this email group don't benefit from misinformation. Many who

read these posts are new to the concept of HBOT, and looking for guidance, and

answers to their questions. They deserve consideration, and thoughtful,

accurate information.

best regards,

If the chamber was continuosly vented(like the portables) you would never get

the dangerous build up of 02.

This is all common sense folks.

Szymonski

Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

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HYPERBARIC CHAMBER FIRE IN PERU ON 2006 FEBRUARY 8: PROBABLE

CAUSE AND SAFETY RECOMMENDATIONS

Abstract:

BACKGROUND: Use of hyperbaric oxygen therapy (HBO2) in South America

is expanding dramatically. HBO2 is used for approved,

investigational, and life-style indications. On February 8 an

extensive hyperbaric oxygen chamber fire occurred in a monoplace

chamber in a free-standing facility in Lima, Peru, causing one

fatality. Our company was requested by the UHMS Peru Chapter to help

authorities determine the cause of the fire and to provide equipment

and training recommendations to help prevent such accident

MATERIALS AND METHODS: One of us (GJB) inspected the chamber site and

interviewed some of the people involved; a government investigation

is underway.

RESULTS: We believe the chamber was compressed with air to 2.4 atm

and the patient breathed oxygen by mask and exhaled into the chamber.

The chamber was periodically ventilated with air, but oxygen level

was not analyzed, and the intensity of the fire suggested that the

content was close to 100 percent oxygen. The patient & #39;s position and

other evidence suggest that a speaker perhaps with a push-to-alert

button may have been the source of ignition. This system was not

approved for use in an oxygen-rich atmosphere; the Peruvian

government has ordered the use of these and similar units

discontinued. From our limited evidence we conclude at this time that

high oxygen and electrical equipment not designed for oxygen service

were the likely cause of the fire, but the investigation is

continuing.

DISCUSSION: Many chambers in South America are manufactured there and

are in free-standing, non-hospital clinics. High costs and limited

reimbursement force operators to compromise safety. The most

effective way to improve HBO2 safety in Latin America is to teach the

hazards and how to avoid them. We recommend teaching both

manufacturers and operators the concepts of chamber safety, in

particular the principles covered in PVHO-1 and NFPA-99.

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September 24, 2008

,

The safety aspects are common sense. Training is necessary, but if you have no

common sense, all of the training in the world is useless. Don't read into

things more than what is there.

I have ran a clinic for quite some time with absolutely no issues, so I don't

really care about your experience. I also know the folks in Wisconsin well, and

the do have a top notch facility.

Lastly, do not try to criticize me on information issues. I know the facts, and

can assure you I know more than most when it comes to hyperbarics.

Szymonski

Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

[ ] Re: Medical Advice

HYPERBARIC CHAMBER FIRE IN PERU ON 2006 FEBRUARY 8: PROBABLE

CAUSE AND SAFETY RECOMMENDATIONS

Abstract:

BACKGROUND: Use of hyperbaric oxygen therapy (HBO2) in South America

is expanding dramatically. HBO2 is used for approved,

investigational, and life-style indications. On February 8 an

extensive hyperbaric oxygen chamber fire occurred in a monoplace

chamber in a free-standing facility in Lima, Peru, causing one

fatality. Our company was requested by the UHMS Peru Chapter to help

authorities determine the cause of the fire and to provide equipment

and training recommendations to help prevent such accident

MATERIALS AND METHODS: One of us (GJB) inspected the chamber site and

interviewed some of the people involved; a government investigation

is underway.

RESULTS: We believe the chamber was compressed with air to 2.4 atm

and the patient breathed oxygen by mask and exhaled into the chamber.

The chamber was periodically ventilated with air, but oxygen level

was not analyzed, and the intensity of the fire suggested that the

content was close to 100 percent oxygen. The patient & #39;s position and

other evidence suggest that a speaker perhaps with a push-to-alert

button may have been the source of ignition. This system was not

approved for use in an oxygen-rich atmosphere; the Peruvian

government has ordered the use of these and similar units

discontinued. From our limited evidence we conclude at this time that

high oxygen and electrical equipment not designed for oxygen service

were the likely cause of the fire, but the investigation is

continuing.

DISCUSSION: Many chambers in South America are manufactured there and

are in free-standing, non-hospital clinics. High costs and limited

reimbursement force operators to compromise safety. The most

effective way to improve HBO2 safety in Latin America is to teach the

hazards and how to avoid them. We recommend teaching both

manufacturers and operators the concepts of chamber safety, in

particular the principles covered in PVHO-1 and NFPA-99.

Description: Undersea and Hyperbaric Medical Society, Inc.

<a rel= " nofollow " target= " _blank "

href= " http://archive.rubicon-foundation.org/3768 " >http://archive.

rubicon-foundati on.org/3768</a>

September 24, 2008

,

The issue was the build up of excess 02 in the Peru chamber as a partial cause

of the fire. The common sense comment was aimed at the continuous venting of

the chamber. The chambers you used in Wisconsin are designed to contunuously

vent, which eliminates the possibility of 02 buildup. This is a common sense

design which provides a higher level of safety.

Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

[ ] Re: Medical Advice

HYPERBARIC CHAMBER FIRE IN PERU ON 2006 FEBRUARY 8: PROBABLE

CAUSE AND SAFETY RECOMMENDATIONS

Abstract:

BACKGROUND: Use of hyperbaric oxygen therapy (HBO2) in South America

is expanding dramatically. HBO2 is used for approved,

investigational, and life-style indications. On February 8 an

extensive hyperbaric oxygen chamber fire occurred in a monoplace

chamber in a free-standing facility in Lima, Peru, causing one

fatality. Our company was requested by the UHMS Peru Chapter to help

authorities determine the cause of the fire and to provide equipment

and training recommendations to help prevent such accident

MATERIALS AND METHODS: One of us (GJB) inspected the chamber site and

interviewed some of the people involved; a government investigation

is underway.

RESULTS: We believe the chamber was compressed with air to 2.4 atm

and the patient breathed oxygen by mask and exhaled into the chamber.

The chamber was periodically ventilated with air, but oxygen level

was not analyzed, and the intensity of the fire suggested that the

content was close to 100 percent oxygen. The patient & #39;s position and

other evidence suggest that a speaker perhaps with a push-to-alert

button may have been the source of ignition. This system was not

approved for use in an oxygen-rich atmosphere; the Peruvian

government has ordered the use of these and similar units

discontinued. From our limited evidence we conclude at this time that

high oxygen and electrical equipment not designed for oxygen service

were the likely cause of the fire, but the investigation is

continuing.

DISCUSSION: Many chambers in South America are manufactured there and

are in free-standing, non-hospital clinics. High costs and limited

reimbursement force operators to compromise safety. The most

effective way to improve HBO2 safety in Latin America is to teach the

hazards and how to avoid them. We recommend teaching both

manufacturers and operators the concepts of chamber safety, in

particular the principles covered in PVHO-1 and NFPA-99.

Description: Undersea and Hyperbaric Medical Society, Inc.

<a rel= " nofollow " target= " _blank "

href= " http://archive.rubicon-foundation.org/3768 " >http://archive.

rubicon-foundati on.org/3768</a>

September 24, 2008

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September 24, 2008

Diane,

Please send their CV's to me at mailto: darin_bryant@... This would be a

great resource to have.

Thank you.

Darin

From: hbotforhealth <diane@...>

Subject: [ ] Re: Medical Advice

medicaid

Date: Tuesday, September 23, 2008, 11:15 PM

If anyone is interested in working with my technicians for a

hyperbaric chamber installation anywhere in the world, they can book

their services through me. I will provide their CV's upon request.

Diane

>

> >Since 1995, our certified

> >technicians have installed everything from portable hyperbaric

> >chambers for home use to multi-place chambers in clinics and

> >hospitals.

> Diane,

>

> Please provide the names of these technicians and/or the

companies/organizat ions they work for.

>

> Thank you.

> DF

September 24, 2008

and ebay

[ ] Re: Medical Advice

> My technician trains people who operate both hard and soft chambers.

>

> Diane

>

>>

>> I do not believe that they set up portables in Hospitals

>>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

> " So I say to you: Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find;

> knock and the door will be opened to you. For everyone who asks receives;

> he who seeks finds; and to him who knocks, the door will be opened. " [Luke

> 11: 9-10]

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

>

September 25, 2008

This is what my technician has to say about the use of 100%

pressurized oxygen in hyperbaric chambers.

Diane

According to USN, NOAA, ASTM (American Society of Testing &

Materials) standards (probably the UHMS as well)....to lower the risk

of fire, the ambient chamber environment should remain below 25%

Oxygen. This obviously precludes using pure Oxygen. Again, the

issue they find is not that chambers themselves could not be made

suitable for " Oxygen Service " , it is that the human body (which would

be surrounded by Oxygen) can not.

USN studies have shown that when ignited, human skin will burn

vigorously in a 28% environment. As an example, I always use the

tragedy of Apollo-I. Granted, they were pressurizing the capsule

with pure Oxygen but only to 15 psig (2 ata). From my memory, I

believe they determined the culprit to be a static spark created by

un-fastening of some Velcro.

September 25, 2008

Facts about chambers and HBOT

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

** #1 FACTS:There are two types of chambers. Oxygen FILLED and AIR OVER Oxygen,

MEANING:

one chamber is suitable for oxygen filled, Usually Seacrest . This type of

chamber is 100% oxygen filled and should have pure air on hand for airbreaks

should the patient need it.

***FACT #2 the others use a Head tent and or mask and fill with a very costly

breathing air compressor, which then sent through a cooler/ dryer and more

filters, then to the chamber, where it is pure air of 21%.

It is called breathing air compressors!

***FACT #3 IF the above stated chamber has a leak in the head tent and or mask

the oxygen level with in the chamber will raise using a Oxygen monitor. IF it

raise above 25% you are to vent it out and check head tents and or mask for a

hose that has come off or a leak in the head tent,. ( rarely happens) the rule

is you vent for 5 mins, if the level comes down and or you find the leak of the

problem. the treatment goes on.

IF YOU are unable to find the leak you abort the treatments. A Switch the

patients to air inside the headtents and or mask and bring them up to the

surface. ( decompress) RULE stay with the chamber, no visiting in the chamber

room!

***FACT #4 Navy is slightly different they want you to abort at 28% after

venting for five mins.

*** FACT #5 ALL Patient must have an orientation treatment, with a chamber

operator, a real one with know how and years of experience to give care

instruction to the patient. careful detailed instruction on clearing your ears

suction of a trachea dependent patient, fire and HBOT safety. Orientation sheet

will be given several times over the next few days or weeks and signed by the

chamber operator and or tech. Daily logs and intakes with careful logs are taken

with every single treatments, follow ups, e-mails and phone calls are printed

and charted.

***FACT # 6 There ARE Some oxygen filled chambers that can go deeper than 2ata

Because there are some disorders that require that you do treat deeper. i.e.

C02, bone infections, some fungus etc... some wounds.

***FACT# 7 ALL patient will wear special HBOT scrubs and no make up hair gel,

watches , jewelry, phones pagers NOTHING. NO street shoes with in the chamber.

ALL chambers are well grounded.

AL:L pads and or rolls are special HBOT fires safe materials, DO not bring

anything into the chamber with out checking with the CHAMBER operator.

***FACT #8 all Patients and Caretakers must have physical exam to rule out the

contraindications and we must have full medical history.

*** FACT #9 The Apollo-1 was NOT filled with pure oxygen!! It was raised

slightly to contra act the bone loss often seen in space! ( Hypobarics) NOT

Hyperbarics AS the capsule entered into the atmosphere the oxygen level rose,

the ppo2 started to rise, ( it is a equation) You'd need to take the course.

when this happened a Velcro did they think have a static spark, but they are not

completely sure, Since this happen Velcro has been outlawed in any chamber, all

types!

In a jet do they fill the cockpit with oxygen?? NO WHY?? because they need to

have a snug fitting mask to force the oxygen molecule into the person with

regulators. WHY??? because in High atmosphere, New word, HYPOBARICS, the oxygen

molecule is to large to inhale, so they must force it into the pilot.

IN HYPERBARICS we are compressing the oxygen molecule to allow for more

saturation into the tissues bones and spinal fluid. More milk in your cup! does

that make sense to you? if not please read my website:

SEE www.hbot4u.com

Take a course, Take the CHT test, You are giving out the wrong information. did

you ever send the names of the techs? we all would like to see if they still

have there Licenses and what the numbers are.

please do yourself a favor, take a course, do your 450 hours of training, then

sit for the national boards. You'll be much safer at your job.

I feel I had to state the above FACTS because you are grossly misleading people

on this list. At first I thought well she is just really green, but now I

wonder, are you doing this on purpose? just trying to sell your vinyl chambers?

I must post this in deepest respect for the clinic owners that I have known for

many years. Who have taken the time and safety courses to give only the very

best for their clients. We go the extra long mile to insure full informed

consent and carefully give every treatment as thought we were treating one of

our own family members. If you care so much about the people you serve, do the

right thing please.

I hope your friends and your TECHS read this e-mail.

And that my friend is the difference between body bags and real chambers. there

is a huge difference between naive operators and the type of owners and CHT's

who have given there very best to up hold the field of HBOT. However over the

last several days YOUR right about one thing Diane, there is a HUGE difference

between soft and hard chambers!

Bottom line, take a course, do the homework, and give it your very best!

Sincerely

CHT

www.hbot4u.com

Diane, Print this and keep it with you!

[ ] Re: Medical Advice

> This is what my technician has to say about the use of 100%

> pressurized oxygen in hyperbaric chambers.

>

> Diane

>

> According to USN, NOAA, ASTM (American Society of Testing &

> Materials) standards (probably the UHMS as well)....to lower the risk

> of fire, the ambient chamber environment should remain below 25%

> Oxygen. This obviously precludes using pure Oxygen. Again, the

> issue they find is not that chambers themselves could not be made

> suitable for " Oxygen Service " , it is that the human body (which would

> be surrounded by Oxygen) can not.

>

> USN studies have shown that when ignited, human skin will burn

> vigorously in a 28% environment. As an example, I always use the

> tragedy of Apollo-I. Granted, they were pressurizing the capsule

> with pure Oxygen but only to 15 psig (2 ata). From my memory, I

> believe they determined the culprit to be a static spark created by

> un-fastening of some Velcro.

>

> ------------------------------------

>

> " So I say to you: Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find;

knock and the door will be opened to you. For everyone who asks receives; he who

seeks finds; and to him who knocks, the door will be opened. " [Luke 11: 9-10]

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

>

September 26, 2008

,

All good information. One problem though. The oxygen filled chambers are

adherently unsafe, and they do not provide any benefit, except in open wound

treatment. Even at that, the benefit is not enough to offset the dangers.

Also, the pilot information you have is missing some key points, however, this

is not the place to get into it as it is not important when talking about

hyperbarics.

At any rate, I hope some people pay attention to your points, as sometimes you

have to point out things that are feel common sense, but then I think

differently than some, I guess.

From: SUSAN RODRIGUEZ <hyperbaric1@...>

Subject: Re: [ ] Re: Medical Advice

medicaid

Date: Thursday, September 25, 2008, 10:23 PM

Facts about chambers and HBOT

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