iodine

October 26, 1999

Thank you for this information Earl, I did start using progestimax cream

when I started the thyrodine. I have had all melal fillings replaced. I

drink only distilled water and have stopped eating raw broc etc. Still

eating cooked in moderation, cut out the soy products. I havent been taking

amino acids I seem to be doing better and better. You mentioned a micro diet

or something like that I never did get that would you mind posting it? I

would really apreciate it. Thank you so much for your help. blessings

Sabra

>From: " Earl Conroy " <waiorama@...>

>Reply-hypothyroidismonelist

><hypothyroidismonelist>

>Subject: iodine

>Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 14:19:40 +1300

>

>Dear Sabra:

>I would doubt that you would be getting too much iodine. It's never

>happened

>before. Remember, that thyroid is complemented by progesterone. You may

>need

>to consider using a natural progsterone cream to get full benefit from the

>Thyrodine. There are also some powerful thyroid suppressors. I'll see if I

>can copy off the list for you.

>best wishes,

>Earl

>

>THYROID INHIBITORS:

>1--deficiencies of: iodine, ‘B’ vitamins, macro and trace minerals, the

>amino acid tyrosine, possibly taurine and glutamine and Vitamins A-C-E in

>hyperthyroid.

>2-soy isoflavones-are potent thyroid inhibitors

>3-raw brassicas-broccoli, cauliflower, cabbage, brussels sprouts

>4-agricultural spray residues on and chemicals in food

>5-chlorine / fluorides in water [as well as the myriad of other water

>treatments]

>6-antibodies formed from inflammation caused by viruses, bacteria, yeast,

>flukes, parasites which cause auto-immune activity destroying thyroid

>tissues.

>7-medical mutilation; surgery, RAI [radio-active iodine], suppressive drugs

>8-many, [most] drugs, including synthetic thyroid, suppress thyroid

>function

>9-radiation from nuclear plants, high power lines, microwaves, TV’s,

>computers,

>water beds, electric blankets, some electrical appliances

>10-endotoxins from Candida [79 distinct toxins], toxic intestines, IBS,

>leaky gut,

>Candida induces 2000% increase in IgE antibodies resulting in allergies

>11-estrogen dominance suppresses thyroid function, predisposes to cancer.

>12-heavy metals such as mercury [amalgam tooth fillings], cadmium, iron

>

>------------------------------------------------------------------------

>

July 3, 2002

Hi there,

Yes, my homeopathic has me on it. I don't notice major flushing, but keep

taking it one drop per day for the thyroid. I can't say I notice major

changes, but it is doesn't hurt, and I believe I am preventing a bad

situation from getting worse (hypothyroid).

God bless you,

KJ

----- Original Message -----

> Has anyone ever used iodine internally? A naturopathic doctor suggested it

> might help since I have a sluggish thyroid and too much mucus in my

system.

> Well, it seems to be flushing things out!!

July 3, 2002

Lugol's (iodine formula) is the only 'clean' iodine formula around that I know

of. The others have

additives that are way bad. I get mine from Dr 's web site. SO glad to hear

it's helping you. God bless, Deanna

Re: iodine

Hi there,Yes, my homeopathic has me on it. I don't notice major flushing, but

keep taking it one drop per day for the thyroid. I can't say I notice major

changes, but it is doesn't hurt, and I believe I am preventing a bad situation

from getting worse (hypothyroid).

God bless you, KJ

----- Original Message -----

> Has anyone ever used iodine internally? A naturopathic doctor suggested it>

might help since I have a sluggish thyroid and too much mucus in mysystem.>

Well, it seems to be flushing things out!!

July 4, 2002

I took iodine according to instructions from my applied kinesoligist

chiropractor. I can't say that it helped, but when I took it he had

me on 1/2 dropper. Instructions say 1 drop?? My natural dr said no

way--that you can o/d on iodione and that you can become addicted to

it.(I think that is the reason---my brain lost some cells with that

hospital ordeal) Anyway he put me on NaturalThroid and that made a

huge difference for me. According to him sometimes you just need to

jumpstart the thyroid. I am going to try to wean myself from it in

about 6 months. Although if I can't wean, I feel so much better on

it, that I will take it for the rest of my life. In the mean time I'm

doing herbs that are food for the glands.

Someone posted a list of foods not to eat if you have thyroid issues

about 2 months ago. I think the thread was even call thyroid. You

might check those out. You can go to the website for all the past

emails. I haven't followed the diet myself, but the person that

listed it said they had success with it. I did a web search on

iodine and all I could find was info about what to do incase of a

nuclear bomb. I'm sure there is more I just didn't take the time to

research it completely

Elaine

> Has anyone ever used iodine internally? A naturopathic doctor

suggested it

> might help since I have a sluggish thyroid and too much mucus in my

system.

> Well, it seems to be flushing things out!! I'm glad to get that

stuff passed

> out but can't help wondering what kind of experiences others have

had. Just

> curious...

>

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August 27, 2003

hi Tina. I have to have watch my sodium too...not good

for me.

I have Hashimoto's thyroiditis (an autoimmune

disorder) & am hypo. Dr. Ridha Arem states in " The

Thyroid Solution, "

" Because high iodine intake can cause or precipitate

autoimmune attacks on the thyroid, researchers are

speculating that the increasingly high frequency of

autoimmune thyroid disease being observed in the

United States and Japan is partly the result of overly

high iodine consumption. Research has clearly

established that the high dietary iodine content in

some areas of the world has resulted in a rise in the

prevalence of thyroiditis and thyroid cancer.

Too much iodine in your diet will cause iodine to be

trapped by a large protein found in the thyroid gland

called thyroglobulin. the process of manufacturing

thyroid hormone takes places in this protein. High

amounts of iodinated thyroglobulin prompt the immune

system to react and to cause an inflmmation in the

thyroid, characteristic of Hashimoto's thyroidis.

Animal research has demonstrated that the severity of

autoimmune thyroiditis is increased by high iodine

intake. "

He goes on to say, " Iodine excess from certain

medications and contrast agents used in X-ray

procedures also places thyroid patients at risk for

thyroid dysfunction. "

A final thought from him regarding iodine,

" In the United States, iodine deficiency has been rare

since 1924, when table salt producers started to add

iodine. Ironically, this same measure that was

originally taken to prevent iodine deficiency and

goiter might be one of the reasons for the rise in the

frequency of autoimmune thyroid disease in people

having genetic disposition. Nevertheless, some people

do suffer from mild iodine deficiency. Clearly, a

balance must be reached. You need to avoid both iodine

deficiency and iodine excess. "

As you said, everyone has a different situation. I

guess some of need the stuff while some of us don't.

Take care. Sheila

--- tina83862 <tina83862@...> wrote:

> for my daughter's hypo--low sodium is not good for

> her---she needs

> her iodine---for Graves patients this is not the

> same food

> avoidences, check out the site I just sent--but I

> don't understand

> you have both, hypo and hyper??---if so I don't

> know--but check out

> that site for more info--everyone has a different

> situation, so you

> have to look into what your problem is----hope this

> helps---tina

>

> > >

> > > Foods to Avoid for hypothyroid

> > >

> > > SUGGESTED should be eaten cooked and in

> moderation, unless

> otherwise

> > > noted to avoid it entirely:

> > > Foods high in copper can suppress thyroid

> activity. These

> include:

> > > avocadoes, liver, soybeans and walnuts.

> > >

> > > Almonds

> > >

> > > Asparagus

> > >

> > > Babassu (a palm-tree coconut fruit popular in

> Brazil and Africa)

> > >

> > > Bamboo shoots

> > >

> > > Bok choy

> > >

> > > Broccoli

> > >

> > > Brussels sprouts

> > >

> > > Cabbage

> > >

> > > Cauliflower

> > >

> > > Chick peas (garbanzos)

> > >

> > > Flaxseed (this is up for debate, do a google.com

> search)

> > >

> > > Garlic

> > >

> > > Groundnuts

> > >

> > > Herbs of the Barbarea and Residea families

> > >

> > > Horseradish

> > >

> > > Kale

> > >

> > > Kohlrabi

> > >

> > > Leafy greens (turnip greens, mustard greens,

> collard greens)

> > >

> > > Legumes (beans and peas)

> > >

> > > Lima beans

> > >

> > > Linseed

> > >

> > > Maize

> > >

> > > Millet (cooking seems to INCREASE goitrogenic

> effect)

> > >

> > > Mustard greens

> > >

> > > Nectarines

> > >

> > > Onion

> > >

> > > Peaches

> > >

> > > Peanuts (roasted are probably okay)

> > >

> > > Pears

> > >

> > > Pine nuts (pignoli)

> > >

> > > Processed meats

> > >

> > > Radishes

> > >

> > > Rapeseed (oil) - from which canola is derived

> > >

> > > Rutabaga

> > >

> > > Spinach

> > >

> > > SOY in all it's various forms -- AVOID

> > >

> > > Strawberries

> > >

> > > Swede

> > >

> > > Sweet potatoes

> > >

> > > Swiss chard

> > >

> > > Turnip greens

> > >

> > > White turnip

> > >

> > > Wasabi

> > >

> > > Watercress

> > >

October 12, 2003

You know I love to read this kind of stuff and really appreciate all

the info--but I wonder why they have not tested for copper, selenium

who greatly effect the over abundance of iodine and the lack of it.

Why does a person with high anti-body count have high iodine

levels??

What else does this person have that is out of balance, I would love

to see the entire picture.

The next question I ask is ---is a person with hashi's just around

the cornor from becoming hyper?? with a high iodine count???

why not rebalance the idoine first and see what happens??

thinking of Shelia who is hypo, working with fish, inhaling tons of

iodine and jumping back and forth with hashi's and being hyper and

hypo at times makes me wonder????

Oh another question does everyone

with Hashi's have iodine problem?? this is so interesting to me--like

I said I would love to have a data base for this info!!!!

another one would be why does a non-hashi hypo person need iodine???

> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?

cmd=Retrieve & db=PubMed & list_uids=12728462 & dopt=Abstract

>

> The effect of iodine restriction on thyroid function in patients

with

> hypothyroidism due to Hashimoto's thyroiditis.

>

> Yoon SJ, Choi SR, Kim DM, Kim JU, Kim KW, Ahn CW, Cha BS, Lim SK,

Kim KR,

> Lee HC, Huh KB.

>

> Department of Internal Medicine, Yongdong Severance Hospital,

Yonsei

> University College of Medicine, 146-92 Dogok-dong, Kangnam-gu,

Seoul

> 135-720, Korea. kimkr96@y...

>

> Lifelong thyroid hormone replacement is indicated in patients with

> hypothyroidism as a result of Hashimoto's thyroiditis. However,

Hashimoto's

> thyroiditis. This study investigated the effects of iodine

restriction on

> the thyroid function and the predictable factors for recovery in

patients

> with hypothyroidism due to Hashimoto's thyroiditis. The subject

group

> consisted of 45 patients who had initially been diagnosed with

> hypothyroidism due to Hashimoto's thyroiditis. The subjects were

divided

> randomly into two groups. One group was an iodine intake

restriction group

> (group 1) (iodine intake: less than 100 micro g/day) and the other

group was

> an iodine intake non-restriction group (group 2). The thyroid-

baseline

> state and after 3 months. After 3 months, a recovery to the

euthyroid state

> was found in 78.3 % of group 1 (18 out of 23 patients), which is

higher than

> the 45.5% from group 2 (10 out of 22 patients). In group 1, mean

serum fT4

> level (0.80 +/- 0.27 ng/dL at the baseline, 0.98 +/- 0.21 ng/dL

after 3

> months) and the TSH level (37.95 +/- 81.76 micro IU/mL at the

baseline,

> 25.66 +/- 70.79 micro IU/mL after 3 months) changed significantly

during

> this period (p < 0.05). In group 2, the mean serum fT4 level

decreased (0.98

> +/- 0.17 ng/dL at baseline, 0.92 +/- 0.28 ng/dL after 3 months, p <

0.05).

> In the iodine restriction group, the urinary iodine excretion

values were

> higher in the recovered patients than in non-recovered patients

(3.51 +/-

> 1.62 mg/L vs. 1.21 +/- 0.39 mg/ L, p=0.006) and the initial serum

TSH values

> were lower in the recovered patients than in the non-recovered

patients

> (14.28 +/- 12.63 micro IU/mL vs. 123.14 +/- 156.51 micro IU/mL,

p=0.005). In

> conclusion, 78.3% of patients with hypothyroidism due to

Hashimoto's

> thyroiditis regained an euthyroid state iodine restriction alone.

Both a low

> initial serum TSH and a high initial urinary iodine concentration

can be

> predictable factors for a recovery from hypothyroidism due to

Hashimoto's

> thyroiditis after restricting their iodine intake.

>

> Publication Types:

> Clinical Trial

> Randomized Controlled Trial

>

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November 3, 2004

I ferment red cabbage, with a little bit of onion, carrot and fennel seed

and it is one of the best tasting foods there are. Red Cabbage ferments just

fine! My only regret is that I did not grow enough of it last year.

Randy B.

iodine

I made kimchi Monday and oopsidentally used iodized sea salt. I used

the NT recipe, except I used 1 Tablespoon of salt and 1 T of live miso

instead of 2 T of salt. I did a quick web search and read a couple of

tidbits on iodized salt - pottasium iodine in it - killing the

laco-bacteria. Well, my 2 jars bubbled nicely and are now

refrigerated. They smell fine and it seems not to have mattered in

this case; maybe from the miso, maybe it doesn't matter.

Now, I also read during this search that red cabbage contains iodine

and thus is not fermentable. But Sandorkraut over at

wildfermentation.com mixes red and green for a pretty festive-looking

kraut.

I also have printed and read the wonderfully thorough file on making

kimchi, but the subject of iodine is not addressed from what I see

looking through it.

Is anyone knowledgeable about this topic? Is there any truth to the

" don't use red cabbage " claim? I am hoping not, as it will be so cute

at Christmass, lol.

November 3, 2004

Hi,

I made a batch of kraut using 3 large heads of green cabbage and 1/2 a head of

red cabbage, and it turned out fine, it had some grated carrot and ended up

looking very " mardi gras " . The whole batch turned a kind of nice purple/red

color with the bright orange carrot bits in there it was bright!

I think Staci Doctor (owner of the Kimchi Sauerkraut group) has made some " all

red " batches of kraut, I think I saw a photo in the files section of that group

displaying 3 jars, 1 kimchi, 1 kraut, and 1 red kraut.

I don't imagine that a portion of red cabbage would hurt a batch of kimchi.

Right?

Beau B.

iodine

I made kimchi Monday and oopsidentally used iodized sea salt. I used

the NT recipe, except I used 1 Tablespoon of salt and 1 T of live miso

instead of 2 T of salt. I did a quick web search and read a couple of

tidbits on iodized salt - pottasium iodine in it - killing the

laco-bacteria. Well, my 2 jars bubbled nicely and are now

refrigerated. They smell fine and it seems not to have mattered in

this case; maybe from the miso, maybe it doesn't matter.

Now, I also read during this search that red cabbage contains iodine

and thus is not fermentable. But Sandorkraut over at

wildfermentation.com mixes red and green for a pretty festive-looking

kraut.

I also have printed and read the wonderfully thorough file on making

kimchi, but the subject of iodine is not addressed from what I see

looking through it.

Is anyone knowledgeable about this topic? Is there any truth to the

" don't use red cabbage " claim? I am hoping not, as it will be so cute

at Christmass, lol.

November 3, 2004

@@@

> I made kimchi Monday and oopsidentally used iodized sea salt. I used

> the NT recipe, except I used 1 Tablespoon of salt and 1 T of live miso

> instead of 2 T of salt. I did a quick web search and read a couple of

> tidbits on iodized salt - pottasium iodine in it - killing the

> laco-bacteria. Well, my 2 jars bubbled nicely and are now

> refrigerated. They smell fine and it seems not to have mattered in

> this case; maybe from the miso, maybe it doesn't matter.

@@@

Hmm, iodized sea salt--I've never heard of that. To have iodine added

it must processed more than necessary. I think most folks aim for

unrefined sea salt as the healthiest option. Using iodized sea salt

is also illogical because you get so much iodine from sea veggies,

especially kelp, such that it becomes the limiting factor for sea

veggie consumption so that one doesn't get too much iodine. It would

be nice to be able to eat much more sea veggies without worrying about

overdosing on iodine.

It sounds like you lucked out and the iodine concentration wasn't

sufficient to prevent the microbes from doing their thing.

@@@

> Now, I also read during this search that red cabbage contains iodine

> and thus is not fermentable. But Sandorkraut over at

> wildfermentation.com mixes red and green for a pretty festive-looking

> kraut.

@@@

That's some kind of crazy myth, because lots of people on these lists

have reported success using red cabbage routinely. Also, kelp is way

way higher in iodine than red cabbage, and I have successfully used

kelp in almost every batch of kimchi I've made, just fairly small

amounts. I don't know how much iodine is too much, so I just kind of

guessed with a small amount and it turned out okay. I used 10g dried

kelp per half-gallon batch. Again, this is a guess and I couldn't

find any reference to quantitative traditions with sea veggies in

kimchi, just general reference to the Korean tradition of frequently

using them in kimchi, at least in coastal regions.

[Here's a random comment on the topic of iodine: my next-door, who is

Japanese, and hence raised in a culture swarming with all manner of

iodine-rich seafood, is actually **allergic to iodine** and has to

scrupulously avoid seafoods! No problems with any other aspects of

any seafoods, just the iodine. Talk about exotic food restrictions!]

Mike

SE Pennsylvania

The best way to predict the future is to invent it. --Alan Kay

November 3, 2004

" Bagrowski, Randall M RDECOM " wrote:

> I ferment red cabbage, with a little bit of onion, carrot and fennel

seed and it is one of the best tasting foods there are. Red Cabbage

ferments just fine! My only regret is that I did not grow enough of it

last year.

> Randy B.

Thank you. I shall try your recipe. I think the fennel sounds grand.

Deanna

November 3, 2004

I use red cabbage all the time. A real good salt to use is RealSalt, sold at

health food stores. It is raw sea salt with everything left in it intact. and

nothing added. It contains 50+ trace minerals...very good for you. All salt has

iodine, iodized salt just has more of it added due to the World Health

Organization.

Blessings,

-Angel

Kirkland Washington

425-522-4046

I made kimchi Monday and oopsidentally used iodized sea salt. I used

the NT recipe, except I used 1 Tablespoon of salt and 1 T of live miso

instead of 2 T of salt. I did a quick web search and read a couple of

tidbits on iodized salt - pottasium iodine in it - killing the

laco-bacteria. Well, my 2 jars bubbled nicely and are now

refrigerated. They smell fine and it seems not to have mattered in

this case; maybe from the miso, maybe it doesn't matter.

Now, I also read during this search that red cabbage contains iodine

and thus is not fermentable. But Sandorkraut over at

wildfermentation.com mixes red and green for a pretty festive-looking

kraut.

I also have printed and read the wonderfully thorough file on making

kimchi, but the subject of iodine is not addressed from what I see

looking through it.

Is anyone knowledgeable about this topic? Is there any truth to the

" don't use red cabbage " claim? I am hoping not, as it will be so cute

at Christmass, lol.

November 3, 2004

Anton wrote:

> Hmm, iodized sea salt--I've never heard of that. To have iodine

added it must processed more than necessary. I think most folks aim

for unrefined sea salt as the healthiest option.

-------------

You are quite right about the processing. It is just one of those

things I never thought much about until now. It is Hain brand salt,

btw. And it has dextrose in it too, joy of joys.

Nourishing Traditions states on page 44:

" Consumption of high amounts of inorganic iodine (as in iodized salt

or iodine-fortified bread) as well as of organic iodine (as in kelp)

can cause thyroid problems similar to those of iodine deficiency,

including goiter. 141 "

Live and learn. I wonder if your Japanese friend is " allergic " for

the reasons above.

Deanna

November 3, 2004

>Using iodized sea salt

>is also illogical because you get so much iodine from sea veggies,

>especially kelp, such that it becomes the limiting factor for sea

>veggie consumption so that one doesn't get too much iodine.

The Koreans use sea veggies a lot in kimchi ... so I'd think

that iodine isn't a problem unless it's in really large amounts.

Table salt has de-clumping stuff in though, which can float

to the top and make a white scum (some sea salts have this

added too).

Actually I'd think sea salt would naturally contain some iodine,

come to think of it ...

Heidi Jean

November 3, 2004

I have been eating red cabbage sauerkraut for the last 9 months. I didn't know

we weren't supposed to use red cabbage. Mine turned out great.

yoginidd <hl@...> wrote:

I made kimchi Monday and oopsidentally used iodized sea salt. I used

the NT recipe, except I used 1 Tablespoon of salt and 1 T of live miso

instead of 2 T of salt. I did a quick web search and read a couple of

tidbits on iodized salt - pottasium iodine in it - killing the

laco-bacteria. Well, my 2 jars bubbled nicely and are now

refrigerated. They smell fine and it seems not to have mattered in

this case; maybe from the miso, maybe it doesn't matter.

Now, I also read during this search that red cabbage contains iodine

and thus is not fermentable. But Sandorkraut over at

wildfermentation.com mixes red and green for a pretty festive-looking

kraut.

I also have printed and read the wonderfully thorough file on making

kimchi, but the subject of iodine is not addressed from what I see

looking through it.

Is anyone knowledgeable about this topic? Is there any truth to the

" don't use red cabbage " claim? I am hoping not, as it will be so cute

at Christmass, lol.

March 31, 2006

Hi iodine makes me feel better to. But it makes me brake out. Does this happen

to anyone else? I would like to take it less often If I can so it does not make

me brake out so much. So I would like to take it less often if I can do you have

to take it every day to be helpful? Thanks

and Mark <koplyn@...> wrote: The more I read (on this chat

line) the more I want to know. I have just read up on iodine, and I didn't know

it was SO important to overall health and well-being. And SO useful for so many

ailments, including external. I can't remember where I read it now, but there

was a report on how applying some iodine solution to skin injuries, and recent

scars, would help healing the wound and diminish scar formation. Even reduce

scars that were already formed. Does anyone (Chuck?) have any info on this? And

what is the product I should buy? Is Lugol just for internal use? Do I need to

take Lugol if I'm now taking World Organic Brand " Liquid-Kelp Daily Iodine " , as

recommended by Janet Lynch? I understand that consuming iodized salt is not

enough, and I use VERY little salt anyway. Thanks for any info. .

March 31, 2006

Hi. I would also like some more information. I recently asked my doctor

about the benfits of iodine and he told me that nooneliving in North

American needs to take supplements. So, becuse he is a quack, I need some

information from people on this group. Does it help scars and such? Should

I be injesting the iodine in my juice or shoudl I be paining it on my body?

If I should paint it, where?

I appreciate all the help and information,

Jasmyn

On 3/30/06, and Mark <koplyn@...> wrote:

>

> The more I read (on this chat line) the more I want to know. I have just

> read up on iodine, and I didn't know it was SO important to overall health

> and well-being. And SO useful for so many ailments, including external. I

> can't remember where I read it now, but there was a report on how applying

> some iodine solution to skin injuries, and recent scars, would help healing

> the wound and diminish scar formation. Even reduce scars that were already

> formed. Does anyone (Chuck?) have any info on this? And what is the product

> I should buy? Is Lugol just for internal use? Do I need to take Lugol if I'm

> now taking World Organic Brand " Liquid-Kelp Daily Iodine " , as recommended by

> Janet Lynch? I understand that consuming iodized salt is not enough, and I

> use VERY little salt anyway. Thanks for any info. .

>

March 31, 2006

you should be on the right dose, probly a high one.

http://www.optimox.com

gracia

> Hi iodine makes me feel better to. But it makes me brake out. Does this

> happen to anyone else? I would like to take it less often If I can so it

> does not make me brake out so much. So I would like to take it less often

> if I can do you have to take it every day to be helpful? Thanks

>

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but wont a higher dose make me have more acne?

Gracia <circe@...> wrote:

you should be on the right dose, probly a high one.

http://www.optimox.com

gracia

> Hi iodine makes me feel better to. But it makes me brake out. Does this

> happen to anyone else? I would like to take it less often If I can so it

> does not make me brake out so much. So I would like to take it less often

> if I can do you have to take it every day to be helpful? Thanks

>

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there is a group for iodine with lots of info.

iodine

I just keep being amazed at the poor education of docs. We don't need

iodine but we do need antidepressants etc?

I just take iodine tabs Iodoral but I thnk you can paint with Lugols

anywhere you want.

Gracia

> Hi. I would also like some more information. I recently asked my doctor

> about the benfits of iodine and he told me that nooneliving in North

> American needs to take supplements. So, becuse he is a quack, I need some

> information from people on this group. Does it help scars and such?

> Should

> I be injesting the iodine in my juice or shoudl I be paining it on my

> body?

> If I should paint it, where?

> I appreciate all the help and information,

> Jasmyn

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April 1, 2006

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You wrote:

> ... Does anyone (Chuck?) have any info on this? ...

I am a skeptic on this one. I get a big slug of iodine daily in the form

of levothyroxine. The metabolic by products of the T4 still contain

iodine. If my body needs it for something other than thyroid related

functions, it has a ready supply already in the blood. I'm sure I also

get some in my food. I do eat a little iodized salt in my oatmeal.

Chuck

April 2, 2006

Chuck you are misinformed on this one!

http://www.optimox.com

Gracia

> ,

>

> You wrote:

>> ... Does anyone (Chuck?) have any info on this? ...

>

> I am a skeptic on this one. I get a big slug of iodine daily in the form

> of levothyroxine. The metabolic by products of the T4 still contain

> iodine. If my body needs it for something other than thyroid related

> functions, it has a ready supply already in the blood. I'm sure I also

> get some in my food. I do eat a little iodized salt in my oatmeal.

>

> Chuck

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April 2, 2006

Gracia,

You wrote:

>

> Chuck you are misinformed on this one!

> http://www.optimox.com

Thank you, I am much better informed now that I have read the

advertisement.

I went to the link marked " Research " from the Optimox page to also be

better informed about the quality of evidence supporting these ads and

found that every single article backing the gobs of expensive iodine

supplements are good for you thesis was published in a single journal,

_The Original Internist_. Every other article cited in footnotes under

the Iodine Products section also came from this journal. The other five

were articles that set RDAs and verified things unrelated to the

supplements.

This is the continuation of a journal named _The Internist_, which was

started in 1994 by a chiropractor named Jack Kessinger and his wife.

However, instead of " research, " the stated purpose of this journal is to

be " educational and informative, " designed to " enhance enthusiasm and

stimulate communication concerning the ever-expanding opportunities for

chiropractic. " To paraphrase the rest of its description, the articles

are testimonials developed from family practice in chiropractic. They

are not peer reviewed research.

If you compare the RDA of iodine (as potassium iodide, 0.15 mg) with the

amount in a levothyroxine supplement (four atoms of iodine per

molecule), you can see that full replacement thyroid meds plus your

daily intake will more than meet the RDA, as I stated.

Here is what the National Research Council has to say about iodine

supplements in _Recommended Dietary Allowances_, 10th ed. Washington,

D.C.: National Academy Press, 1989.

[begin quote]

Too much or too little iodine intake results in a wide spectrum of

disorders that are addressed by adjusting iodine intake. Too much iodine

can result in toxicity.

Excess iodine is typically excreted, and output can be measured in the

urine. Regular excessive iodine intake is needed for toxicity. Excess

iodine, when used as a supplement or in drug therapy, may reduce thyroid

function. Although more commonly associated with iodine deficiency,

goiter can also result from too much iodine due to thyroid

hyperactivity. Additionally, high amounts of iodine from sources such as

overuse of iodized salt, vitamins, cough medications, kelp tablets, or

from medical testing can cause effects including rapid pulse,

nervousness, headaches, fatigue, a brassy taste in the mouth, excessive

salivation, gastric irritation, and hypothyroidism. Acne can appear or

become worse. Some iodine-sensitive individuals may have an allergic

reaction to iodine, often a skin rash. A physician may recommend that

high iodine foods be removed from the diet of those who are

iodine-sensitive. Similar side effects have also been observed in some

women participating in studies on iodine and diagnosed FBD. Radioactive

iodine has been implicated in producing thyroid dysfunction and thyroid

cancer.

Other Resources:

The Merck Manual of Diagnosis and Therapy. 17th ed. Edited by Mark H.

Beers and Berkow. Whitehouse Station, N.J.: Merck Research

Laboratories, 1999.

ORGANIZATIONS

U.S. Fund for UNICEF. 333 East 38th Street NY, NY 10016.

http://www.unicefusa.org/issues99/sep99/learn.html.web master@....

World Health Organization (WHO). Avenue Appia 20 1211 Geneva 27,

Switzerland. (+00–41–22)791–21–11. Fax: (+00–41–22)791–311.

http://www.who.int/inf-fs/en/fact 121.html. info@....

International Council for Control of Iodine deficiency Disorders

(ICCIDD). Prof. Jack Ling. Director, ICEC. 1501 Canal Street, Suite

1304, New Orleans, LA 70112. (504)584–3542 Fax: (504)585–4090.

ICEC@....

http://www.people.virginia.edu/~jtd/iccidd/.

[end quote]

Here is another abstract from PubMed: J Am Diet Assoc. 1990

Nov;90(11):1571-81. " A review of iodine toxicity reports. " Pennington

JA, Division of Nutrition, Food and Drug Administration, Washington, DC

20204.

This article summarizes case reports, population studies, and

experimental studies from the literature concerning adverse effects of

exposure to iodine from the mid-1880s to 1988. Exposure to excessive

iodine through foods, dietary supplements, topical medications, and/or

iodinated contrast media has resulted in thyroiditis, goiter,

hypothyroidism, hyperthyroidism, sensitivity reactions, or acute

responses for some individuals. Reports of maternal iodine exposure

during pregnancy or lactation affecting newborn or nursing infants are

cited. Susceptibility to excess iodine is discussed as well as the

relationship between dose and response. It is concluded that some

individuals can tolerate very high levels of iodine with no apparent

side effects and that iodine intakes less than or equal to 1.000 mg/day

are probably safe for the majority of the population, but may cause

adverse effects in some individuals. Determination of maximum tolerable

levels of iodine intake will require human experimental studies at

levels between 0.150 and 1.000 mg/day for normal subjects, subjects with

autonomous thyroid tissue, and iodine-sensitive subjects.

Here is another from Exp Mol Pathol. 1986 Jun;44(3):259-71.

" Direct toxic effect of iodide in excess on iodine-deficient thyroid

glands: epithelial necrosis and inflammation associated with lipofuscin

accumulation. " Mahmoud I, Colin I, Many MC, Denef JF.

Involution of thyroid hyperplasia (induced by a low iodine diet and

a goitrogen, propylthiouracil, PTU) was obtained in mice by

administering a high or a moderate dose of iodide (HID or MID,

respectively). In HID involuting glands, vasoconstriction was observed

after 12 hr whereas necrosis and inflammation were very abundant as

early as after 6 hr and maximal after 48 hr. They were not prevented by

papaverine by which vasoconstriction was inhibited, but were inhibited

by the continuation of PTU by which iodide oxidation and organification

were inhibited. Lipofuscin inclusions in thyroid and inflammatory cells

were always associated with necrosis. On the contrary, when involution

was induced by MID or by HID + triiodothyronine (T3), or by T3 alone,

neither necrosis nor inflammation occurred and apoptosis was the only

mode of cell deletion. No lipofuscin inclusion occurred. Our results

demonstrate that iodide in excess, after being oxidized or organified,

is directly toxic for iodine-deficient thyroid cells. The presence of

lipofuscin suggests that its toxicity is mediated by lipid peroxidation,

a consequence of production of free radicals in excess.

More sources at:

http://www.food.gov.uk/multimedia/pdfs/evm_iodine.pdf

So, you can choose between the National Research Council or the Original

Internist. Sorry I was so misinformed.

Chuck

April 2, 2006

Chuck are we ever going to be able to convince you that " peer reviewed "

is merely a big time pharma " boys club " ?

Anyway I checked out that magazine too - it seems sincere and harmless

with contributors having also had peer reviewed research as well.

You have to remember that even respected doctors and practitioners

cannot always get their research published in traditional ways - so they

have to use alternative publications. I don't imagine Albeit Einstein

had an easy time getting his research published at the time.

Kerry

Re: Iodine

Gracia,

You wrote:

>

> Chuck you are misinformed on this one!

> http://www.optimox.com

Thank you, I am much better informed now that I have read the

advertisement.

I went to the link marked " Research " from the Optimox page to also be

better informed about the quality of evidence supporting these ads and

found that every single article backing the gobs of expensive iodine

supplements are good for you thesis was published in a single journal,

_The Original Internist_. Every other article cited in footnotes under

the Iodine Products section also came from this journal. The other five

were articles that set RDAs and verified things unrelated to the

supplements.

This is the continuation of a journal named _The Internist_, which was

started in 1994 by a chiropractor named Jack Kessinger and his wife.

However, instead of " research, " the stated purpose of this journal is to

be " educational and informative, " designed to " enhance enthusiasm and

stimulate communication concerning the ever-expanding opportunities for

chiropractic. " To paraphrase the rest of its description, the articles

are testimonials developed from family practice in chiropractic. They

are not peer reviewed research.

If you compare the RDA of iodine (as potassium iodide, 0.15 mg) with the

amount in a levothyroxine supplement (four atoms of iodine per

molecule), you can see that full replacement thyroid meds plus your

daily intake will more than meet the RDA, as I stated.

Here is what the National Research Council has to say about iodine

supplements in _Recommended Dietary Allowances_, 10th ed. Washington,

D.C.: National Academy Press, 1989.

[begin quote]

Too much or too little iodine intake results in a wide spectrum of

disorders that are addressed by adjusting iodine intake. Too much iodine

can result in toxicity.

Excess iodine is typically excreted, and output can be measured in the

urine. Regular excessive iodine intake is needed for toxicity. Excess

iodine, when used as a supplement or in drug therapy, may reduce thyroid

function. Although more commonly associated with iodine deficiency,

goiter can also result from too much iodine due to thyroid

hyperactivity. Additionally, high amounts of iodine from sources such as

overuse of iodized salt, vitamins, cough medications, kelp tablets, or

from medical testing can cause effects including rapid pulse,

nervousness, headaches, fatigue, a brassy taste in the mouth, excessive

salivation, gastric irritation, and hypothyroidism. Acne can appear or

become worse. Some iodine-sensitive individuals may have an allergic

reaction to iodine, often a skin rash. A physician may recommend that

high iodine foods be removed from the diet of those who are

iodine-sensitive. Similar side effects have also been observed in some

women participating in studies on iodine and diagnosed FBD. Radioactive

iodine has been implicated in producing thyroid dysfunction and thyroid

cancer.

Other Resources:

The Merck Manual of Diagnosis and Therapy. 17th ed. Edited by Mark H.

Beers and Berkow. Whitehouse Station, N.J.: Merck Research

Laboratories, 1999.

ORGANIZATIONS

U.S. Fund for UNICEF. 333 East 38th Street NY, NY 10016.

http://www.unicefusa.org/issues99/sep99/learn.html.web

master@....

World Health Organization (WHO). Avenue Appia 20 1211 Geneva 27,

Switzerland. (+00-41-22)791-21-11. Fax: (+00-41-22)791-311.

http://www.who.int/inf-fs/en/fact 121.html. info@....

International Council for Control of Iodine deficiency Disorders

(ICCIDD). Prof. Jack Ling. Director, ICEC. 1501 Canal Street, Suite

1304, New Orleans, LA 70112. (504)584-3542 Fax: (504)585-4090.