Guest guest Posted July 6, 2007 Report Share Posted July 6, 2007 It is typical in large double blind studies for some fraction of the group receiving a sugar pill [or some other placebo] to report improvement equal to or greater than the medicine under test. Sometimes this fraction reaches to 1/4 or 1/3 of the subjects receiving the placebo. It wouldn't matter whether the product being tested was iodine or any other typical medicine. This result is so well known that we have all probably heard of the " placebo effect " . I guess self deception is only one of the possible elements. It is rather difficult for us lay people to understand when a person with cancer is given a sugar pill and improves greatly, but it happens. > . > > > Re: Iodine > <hypothyroidism/message/29226;_ylc=X3oDMTJxZjhubG4\ 3BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE0NTY2NARncnBzcElkAzE3MDkyNTEwODIEbXNnSWQDMjkyMjYEc2V\ jA2Rtc2cEc2xrA3Ztc2cEc3RpbWUDMTE4MzcwODQyMQ--> > > > > Posted by: " bear339@... " bear339@... > <mailto:bear339@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Iodine> > ebradi3951 <ebradi3951> > > > Thu Jul 5, 2007 2:53 pm (PST) > > Chuck- > > Well then this self deception sure is working out well for them! I should > have thought of that before, I could have saved a whole lot of money just > convincing myself that synthroid was great and maybe even that I don't > have a > thyroid problem at all. :-) > > > > , > > You wrote: > > > > ... for some people that may even be true for iodine, it's not > > like they would lie about the bennefits they are getting from it, ya > > know? ... > > There is a reason why clinical trials ALWAYS use a double blind format. > People have a well known capacity for self deception, among other things. > > Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2007 Report Share Posted July 6, 2007 , I am interested in what you do. Who you are, etc. We kinda learned about Chuck not too long ago, help us put something to your name. Crystal > > > > > > ... for some people that may even be true for iodine, it's not > > > like they would lie about the bennefits they are getting from it, ya > > > know? ... > > > > There is a reason why clinical trials ALWAYS use a double blind format. > > People have a well known capacity for self deception, among other things. > > > > Chuck > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 7, 2007 Report Share Posted July 7, 2007 Hi, Sweenenloe1. I just posted a tiny bit. I'm male, 66, retired, and according to my TSH results found in a routine checkup a year of so ago am hypothyroid. I'm married, and when I told my wife the doc says I'm hypo she exploded: " You CAN'T be hypo! If anything, everything about you reads hypEr! " Well, she's much more health conscious than I, but with high and increasing TSH it's difficult to argue with the doc. Especially when I don't have any health problems of the nature so many here have with hypothyroidism. I've mentioned more than once that I _do_ feel out of place here; considering how none existent are my hypo symptoms and how truly horrible are those of some here. I did work in a technical field, but am not a scientist nor do I have any kind of college degree; just a couple of years of engineering. Actually, probably most of my education came from reading literally thousands of books. A number of years back I developed an interest in science [quantum mechanics, relativity, cosmology, and so on]. I was on the Physics and Science BBS's before the web became popular. I've read many books on these subjects; for the most part written for those on the lay level. I'm here to learn; partially in case something does fall of the track and my hypo becomes a problem. I'm also glad to help when I can. I hurt when I see nice people hurting. I worry a lot when see nice people desperate for help enough to take something like iodine in levels 333 times higher than the normal recommended levels. I worry even more when this is repeatedly recommended to others; especially when done with no warning to go slow. I guess I became paranoid on the subject of iodine when my sister almost died from one bite of lobster; although I believe Chuck told me that's not from a typical iodine reaction. If I had the problems some here do I believe that I would be CAUTIOUSLY experimenting with larger doses of iodine. But even if it worked for me I would not recommend it to others without caveat. I would simply report my results, and caution anyone to research and exercise due caution. Probably far more than you wanted to know... Luck, > > Re: Iodine > <hypothyroidism/message/29284;_ylc=X3oDMTJxMTh0Z2J\ wBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE0NTY2NARncnBzcElkAzE3MDkyNTEwODIEbXNnSWQDMjkyODQEc2V\ jA2Rtc2cEc2xrA3Ztc2cEc3RpbWUDMTE4Mzc1NTA0Mw--> > > > > Posted by: " sweetenloe1 " sweetnwright@... > <mailto:sweetnwright@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Iodine> > sweetenloe1 <sweetenloe1> > > > Fri Jul 6, 2007 12:57 pm (PST) > > , I am interested in what you do. Who you are, etc. We kinda > learned about Chuck not too long ago, help us put something to your name. > Crystal > > > > > It is typical in large double blind studies for some fraction of the > > group receiving a sugar pill [or some other placebo] to report > > improvement equal to or greater than the medicine under test. > Sometimes > > this fraction reaches to 1/4 or 1/3 of the subjects receiving the > > placebo. It wouldn't matter whether the product being tested was > iodine > > or any other typical medicine. > > > > This result is so well known that we have all probably heard of the > > " placebo effect " . I guess self deception is only one of the possible > > elements. It is rather difficult for us lay people to understand > when a > > person with cancer is given a sugar pill and improves greatly, but it > > happens. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 7, 2007 Report Share Posted July 7, 2007 it's not too much info. maybe its the mother hen in me that always wants to know about others. my hubby says i'm nosy. but whatevr you may call it, i aint-a-changin! thanks. > > > > > > It is typical in large double blind studies for some fraction of the > > > group receiving a sugar pill [or some other placebo] to report > > > improvement equal to or greater than the medicine under test. > > Sometimes > > > this fraction reaches to 1/4 or 1/3 of the subjects receiving the > > > placebo. It wouldn't matter whether the product being tested was > > iodine > > > or any other typical medicine. > > > > > > This result is so well known that we have all probably heard of the > > > " placebo effect " . I guess self deception is only one of the possible > > > elements. It is rather difficult for us lay people to understand > > when a > > > person with cancer is given a sugar pill and improves greatly, but it > > > happens. > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 7, 2007 Report Share Posted July 7, 2007 ? TSH can be affected by other things, like adrenal hormones, infection, illness, and the like. Did you also have the Free T3 and Free T4, plus antibodies tests run, just to be sure? Sometimes it doesn't make sense to put all your eggs in one basket. Hey, what if it was just that your progesterone was a bit too low.... Every had the canaryclub.org saliva panel done? It's VERY telling, even for men. Sometimes ya gotta use a little more pressure to get these med dudes to look further into things. I've found the use of a spikey caveman club to be quite effective. <wink> Sam (Friday night - times to go out and party) > > > > > > It is typical in large double blind studies for some fraction of the > > > group receiving a sugar pill [or some other placebo] to report > > > improvement equal to or greater than the medicine under test. > > Sometimes > > > this fraction reaches to 1/4 or 1/3 of the subjects receiving the > > > placebo. It wouldn't matter whether the product being tested was > > iodine > > > or any other typical medicine. > > > > > > This result is so well known that we have all probably heard of the > > > " placebo effect " . I guess self deception is only one of the possible > > > elements. It is rather difficult for us lay people to understand > > when a > > > person with cancer is given a sugar pill and improves greatly, but it > > > happens. > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 7, 2007 Report Share Posted July 7, 2007 I had everything checked I could think of, including adrenals. I think the antibodies were run. Every thing came back normal, except for the elevated TSH. I also have had phantosmia for the past 2 or 3 years [which is phantom smells]. Phantosmia, as well as elevated TSH, can be caused by a pituitary problem such as a tumor. So I had an MRI [or was it cat scan???], which was also normal. IMHO a pituitary tumor should be ruled out when one has elevated TSH but no hypo symptoms; as is my case. Especially since I have the second symptom of a possible pituitary tumor [phantosmia]. I haven't had any blood work done yet this year. My heart doctor, who has me on Lipitor, has a complete CRP done each year; as well as checking my liver. When he orders that this year I will again ask my regular doctor to add the bloodwork for TSH and the other thyroid indicators. I've never done the canaryclub.org saliva panel, and am not familiar with it. But IIRC my testosterone was normal. Hope your partying was fun... We went out to dinner and I ate about a week's worth of calories and fat grams. Then later I read until about 4:00 AM. Strange world, Dune... > Re: Iodine > <hypothyroidism/message/29335;_ylc=X3oDMTJxOG8yOTU\ wBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE0NTY2NARncnBzcElkAzE3MDkyNTEwODIEbXNnSWQDMjkzMzUEc2V\ jA2Rtc2cEc2xrA3Ztc2cEc3RpbWUDMTE4Mzc4NjU0MA--> > > > > Posted by: " Sam " k9gang@... > <mailto:k9gang@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Iodine> > stealthwind <stealthwind> > > > Fri Jul 6, 2007 8:20 pm (PST) > > ? TSH can be affected by other things, like adrenal hormones, > infection, illness, and the like. Did you also have the Free T3 and > Free T4, plus antibodies tests run, just to be sure? Sometimes it > doesn't make sense to put all your eggs in one basket. Hey, what if > it was just that your progesterone was a bit too low.... Every had > the canaryclub.org saliva panel done? It's VERY telling, even for > men. > > Sometimes ya gotta use a little more pressure to get these med dudes > to look further into things. I've found the use of a spikey caveman > club to be quite effective. <wink> > > Sam > (Friday night - times to go out and party) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 7, 2007 Report Share Posted July 7, 2007 By " normal " you mean you looked at where each thing was in it's respective range and were ok with that, I hope. Aren't I a suspicious little thing? <grin> Phantosmia? Phantom smells? Anything odd in the sinuses/tongue/mouth? Has this resolved on synthroid? (my creepy landlord " is " a phamtom smell...oops sorry). The www.canaryclub.org saliva panel is for thyroid/cortisol/dhea/sex hormones. I have done that along with bloods and the saliva panel absolutely reflected how I felt physically, whereas my bloods made my docs' heads explode on impact. BUT, I had these done previous to my starting Iodoral at the recommended orthoiodosupplemtation dose (recommended by the iodine docs as per their successes). If one feels good, is non-symptomatic, that's the whole point, regardless. Right? [My partying was a bit boring (my hot/awesome BF is away). The band was called " Bad Haggis " , and was " Heavy Metal " ...ei yi yi Only a handful of people were there, but the lead singer, with his remote mic, kept coming over to " ME " and asked me what I'd like to hear him sing. I sez " Blues, blues, nothing but the blues " , so he starts singing Jimmi Hendrix. ACK! hahaha (I am also a blues singer/lyricist on occcccccasssssssion - I sang at a friend's party on the 4th).] Sam :-D > > I had everything checked I could think of, including adrenals. I think > the antibodies were run. Every thing came back normal, except for the > elevated TSH. > > I also have had phantosmia for the past 2 or 3 years [which is phantom > smells]. Phantosmia, as well as elevated TSH, can be caused by a > pituitary problem such as a tumor. So I had an MRI [or was it cat > scan???], which was also normal. IMHO a pituitary tumor should be ruled > out when one has elevated TSH but no hypo symptoms; as is my case. > Especially since I have the second symptom of a possible pituitary tumor > [phantosmia]. > > I haven't had any blood work done yet this year. My heart doctor, who > has me on Lipitor, has a complete CRP done each year; as well as > checking my liver. When he orders that this year I will again ask my > regular doctor to add the bloodwork for TSH and the other thyroid > indicators. > > I've never done the canaryclub.org saliva panel, and am not familiar > with it. But IIRC my testosterone was normal. > > Hope your partying was fun... We went out to dinner and I ate about a > week's worth of calories and fat grams. Then later I read until about > 4:00 AM. Strange world, Dune... > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 7, 2007 Report Share Posted July 7, 2007 Sam, You wrote: > > If one feels good, is non-symptomatic, that's the whole point, > regardless. Right? Not to me. Many dangerous conditions involve feeling good, even better than good. This is why they recommend regular physicals, whether you feel well or not. Dangerously high blood sugar, for example, can cause euphoria similar to a stiff drink. Both hypoT and hyperT can have dangerous effects while the victim feels fine. That is one of the concerns of chronic abuse of Cytomel and Armour. You can feel fine while you lose your bones and cardiac function. apparently was at the other end of the spectrum, where he feels fine but has the blood makeup and cardiac risk of hypoT. They ruled out a pituitary cause of his high TSH, so that left a real but relatively hidden thyroid insufficiency. I actually felt pretty good, when they first found my TSH was elevated, although I had gone to see the doctor, because of the relatively minor problems I was having, mainly fatigue and wanting to sleep all the time. I actually felt much worse during the titration. Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2007 Report Share Posted July 8, 2007 Hi, Sam. .. > > Re: Iodine > <hypothyroidism/message/29423;_ylc=X3oDMTJxdTNuZW9\ 2BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE0NTY2NARncnBzcElkAzE3MDkyNTEwODIEbXNnSWQDMjk0MjMEc2V\ jA2Rtc2cEc2xrA3Ztc2cEc3RpbWUDMTE4Mzg0NTAzMA--> > > > > Posted by: " Sam " k9gang@... > <mailto:k9gang@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Iodine> > stealthwind <stealthwind> > > > Sat Jul 7, 2007 1:33 pm (PST) > > By " normal " you mean you looked at where each thing was in it's > respective range and were ok with that, I hope. Aren't I a suspicious > little thing? <grin> .. Yes, the things with ranges were within range. The things like MRIs were negative for any detectable abnormalities. .. > > Phantosmia? Phantom smells? Anything odd in the sinuses/tongue/ > mouth? .. Nothing detectable. They did some kind of MRI or CAT scan of my sinuses. I've completely batted zero on answers of causes. .. > Has this resolved on synthroid? (my creepy landlord " is " a phamtom > smell...oops sorry). .. Nope; no response to Synthroid. I am fortunate that the phantom smells are not the utterly horrid ones that some people get. .. > > The www.canaryclub.org saliva panel is for thyroid/cortisol/dhea/sex > hormones. I have done that along with bloods and the saliva panel > absolutely reflected how I felt physically, whereas my bloods made my > docs' heads explode on impact. BUT, I had these done previous to my > starting Iodoral at the recommended orthoiodosupplemtation dose > (recommended by the iodine docs as per their successes). > > If one feels good, is non-symptomatic, that's the whole point, > regardless. Right? .. At least partially; and I guess many would give a king's ransom for that result. .. > > [My partying was a bit boring (my hot/awesome BF is away). The band > was called " Bad Haggis " , and was " Heavy Metal " ...ei yi yi > Only a handful of people were there, but the lead singer, with his > remote mic, kept coming over to " ME " and asked me what I'd like to > hear him sing. I sez " Blues, blues, nothing but the blues " , so he > starts singing Jimmi Hendrix. ACK! hahaha (I am also a blues > singer/lyricist on occcccccasssssssion - I sang at a friend's party > on the 4th).] > > Sam :-D .. HeHe; well, Jimmy has/had some awesome licks. My July 4th jam was a real bust. Most of the guys didn't show up. If you're gonna have nothing but a guitarist/vocalist and a bass player they better have some chops! .. > > > > > > I had everything checked I could think of, including adrenals. I > think > > the antibodies were run. Every thing came back normal, except for > the > > elevated TSH. > > > > I also have had phantosmia for the past 2 or 3 years [which is > phantom > > smells]. Phantosmia, as well as elevated TSH, can be caused by a > > pituitary problem such as a tumor. So I had an MRI [or was it cat > > scan???], which was also normal. IMHO a pituitary tumor should be > ruled > > out when one has elevated TSH but no hypo symptoms; as is my case. > > Especially since I have the second symptom of a possible pituitary > tumor > > [phantosmia]. > > > > I haven't had any blood work done yet this year. My heart doctor, > who > > has me on Lipitor, has a complete CRP done each year; as well as > > checking my liver. When he orders that this year I will again ask > my > > regular doctor to add the bloodwork for TSH and the other thyroid > > indicators. > > > > I've never done the canaryclub.org saliva panel, and am not > familiar > > with it. But IIRC my testosterone was normal. > > > > Hope your partying was fun... We went out to dinner and I ate > about a > > week's worth of calories and fat grams. Then later I read until > about > > 4:00 AM. Strange world, Dune... > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2007 Report Share Posted July 8, 2007 >>I sez " Blues, blues, nothing but the blues " , so he >> starts singing Jimmi Hendrix. ACK! hahaha (I am also >>a blues singer/lyricist on occcccccasssssssion - I sang >>at a friend's party on the 4th).] Last year that " made me " sing for 3 hours, but at least it was inside without legal fireworks. This year the stage was surrounded by feisty partying people, and surprisingly no one got blown up nor started any fires. > HeHe; well, Jimmy has/had some awesome licks. My July > 4th jam was a real bust. Most of the guys didn't show up. > If you're gonna have nothing but a guitarist/vocalist and > a bass player they better have some chops! > > Oh yea. Last year I needed lyrics in front of me on paper so I could sing. So embarassing. I the middle of Ball and Chain we lost the power and went acoustic - one guitar... Every Tuesday in my neck of the woods, there is a blues Open Mike. www.wildbuffalo.net (under schedule) It's incredible. I used to go up to Vancouver Canada to Yale Town for the blues, but this Open Mike down here is far superior and at the very least equal to what I remember listening to at the old Filmore in SF back in the early 70's. This thyroid thing I went thru really messed up my voice more than it was, and, oddly, I forgot how to read music and play the flute and piano. I'm re-teaching myself, tho. I really had to work hard on the vocal chords...I'm still a bit gravelly and sometime just cut out completely. But I sound great in the shower... Ok, it's Saturday and time to party.... Sam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2007 Report Share Posted July 8, 2007 what? I never heard of such a thing as chronic abuse of Armour. why would someone take what they don't need? They just wouldn't be feeling good. gracia That is one of the concerns of chronic abuse of Cytomel and Armour. You can feel fine while you lose your bones and cardiac function. Recent Activity a.. 6New Members Visit Your Group Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2007 Report Share Posted July 8, 2007 Sam, I kinda get the feeling there are gonna be fireworks wherever you happen to be! [ggg] > . > > > Re: Iodine > <hypothyroidism/message/29450;_ylc=X3oDMTJxa3Jlc2N\ sBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE0NTY2NARncnBzcElkAzE3MDkyNTEwODIEbXNnSWQDMjk0NTAEc2V\ jA2Rtc2cEc2xrA3Ztc2cEc3RpbWUDMTE4Mzg3MzM1NA--> > > > > Posted by: " Sam " k9gang@... > <mailto:k9gang@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Iodine> > stealthwind <stealthwind> > > > Sat Jul 7, 2007 6:35 pm (PST) > > >>I sez " Blues, blues, nothing but the blues " , so he > >> starts singing Jimmi Hendrix. ACK! hahaha (I am also > >>a blues singer/lyricist on occcccccasssssssion - I sang > >>at a friend's party on the 4th).] > > Last year that " made me " sing for 3 hours, but at least it was inside > without legal fireworks. This year the stage was surrounded by feisty > partying people, and surprisingly no one got blown up nor started any > fires. > > > HeHe; well, Jimmy has/had some awesome licks. My July > > 4th jam was a real bust. Most of the guys didn't show up. > > If you're gonna have nothing but a guitarist/vocalist and > > a bass player they better have some chops! > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2007 Report Share Posted July 14, 2007 I have noted that the brand of iodine tabs recommended here are pretty expensive. Why would potassium iodine have to be expensive? Is this stuff any good? Are they not all the same? http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/WIN101-789-1393.html Neil No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.2/893 - Release Date: 7/9/2007 5:22 PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2007 Report Share Posted July 14, 2007 this sure is cheap. I think you want iodine/iodide though. Gracia >I have noted that the brand of iodine tabs recommended here are pretty > expensive. Why would potassium iodine have to be expensive? > > Is this stuff any good? Are they not all the same? > > http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/WIN101-789-1393.html > > Neil > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.2/893 - Release Date: 7/9/2007 > 5:22 PM > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2007 Report Share Posted September 19, 2007 Hello everyone, as some of you know I have been experimenting with standard process iodine. I have only been taking it for a couple of days now ... maybe 4? I took 3 mg first day, 6 the 2nd, 9 the 3rd and then 15 mg last night. I haven't felt much of a difference. Perhaps my skin is clearer and my meds affect me a bit more strongly, but that is about it thus far. Perhaps I will keep increasing until I run out, and if nothing life changing has happened before then, I just won't buy any more. ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2007 Report Share Posted September 19, 2007 , Couldn't it possibly be affecting you in ways that you may not be aware. I believe you are not under a doctors care. Can you get tested to make sure all is normal and no damage is being done. I know Gracia may not appreciate my comment but I am still not convinced iodine is the way to go for Hashi's and I have read and read. I look forward to your postings regarding this and wish you well. Venizia > > Hello everyone, as some of you know I have been experimenting with standard > process iodine. I have only been taking it for a couple of days now ... maybe > 4? I took 3 mg first day, 6 the 2nd, 9 the 3rd and then 15 mg last night. I > haven't felt much of a difference. Perhaps my skin is clearer and my meds > affect me a bit more strongly, but that is about it thus far. Perhaps I will keep > increasing until I run out, and if nothing life changing has happened before > then, I just won't buy any more. > > > > > > ************************************** > See what's new at http://www.aol.com > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2007 Report Share Posted September 19, 2007 I think you will see some amazing results if you try Iodoral 25mg 2X a day. I order mine from Willners in NYC. They have bottles of 90 and 180. Iodoral is iodine/iodide. Gracia Hello everyone, as some of you know I have been experimenting with standard process iodine. I have only been taking it for a couple of days now ... maybe 4? I took 3 mg first day, 6 the 2nd, 9 the 3rd and then 15 mg last night. I haven't felt much of a difference. Perhaps my skin is clearer and my meds affect me a bit more strongly, but that is about it thus far. Perhaps I will keep increasing until I run out, and if nothing life changing has happened before then, I just won't buy any more. ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2007 Report Share Posted September 19, 2007 Get the same effect from Lugol's? _____ From: hypothyroidism [mailto:hypothyroidism ] On Behalf Of Gracia Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2007 9:56 PM hypothyroidism Subject: Re: Re: Iodine I think you will see some amazing results if you try Iodoral 25mg 2X a day. I order mine from Willners in NYC. They have bottles of 90 and 180. Iodoral is iodine/iodide. Gracia Hello everyone, as some of you know I have been experimenting with standard process iodine. I have only been taking it for a couple of days now ... maybe 4? I took 3 mg first day, 6 the 2nd, 9 the 3rd and then 15 mg last night. I haven't felt much of a difference. Perhaps my skin is clearer and my meds affect me a bit more strongly, but that is about it thus far. Perhaps I will keep increasing until I run out, and if nothing life changing has happened before then, I just won't buy any more. ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol. <http://www.aol.com> com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 20, 2007 Report Share Posted September 20, 2007 yes Iodoral is Lugols in pill form. Gracia Get the same effect from Lugol's? _____ From: hypothyroidism [mailto:hypothyroidism ] On Behalf Of Gracia Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2007 9:56 PM hypothyroidism Subject: Re: Re: Iodine I think you will see some amazing results if you try Iodoral 25mg 2X a day. I order mine from Willners in NYC. They have bottles of 90 and 180. Iodoral is iodine/iodide. Gracia Recent Activity a.. 9New Members Visit Your Group Cancer Support on Connect w/ others find help & share Healthy Cooking on A place for parents to share their ideas. Sell Online Start selling with our award-winning e-commerce tools. . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.487 / Virus Database: 269.13.22/1015 - Release Date: 9/18/2007 11:53 AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2007 Report Share Posted December 30, 2007 Roni (is your first name macaroni?) did you really just send this to iodine group? wooohooo you might get an earful. as I wrote b4, Shomon is now working with Dr. Brownstein on her own iodine deficiency, so I think this will be removed from her website soon. I am glad if you joined the iodine group b/c it is good and more science oriented. Gracia Thyroid Disease [input] [input] [input] [input] [input] [input] [input] [input] [input] [input] Health Thyroid Disease Essentials What is Thyroid Disease?Symptoms of Thyroid DiseaseDiagnosis of Thyroid DiseaseTreatments: Thyroid Disease & ConditionsDiet Center, Thyroid Quizzes, Tools zob() Thyroid Offers Iodine Supplements Elevated Thyroid My Thyroid Raw Thyroid Slow Thyroid What are offers? Recent Activity a.. 9New Members Visit Your Group Get cancer support Connect w/ others find help & share Health Fit for Life Getting fit is now easier than ever. FruitaBü Parents Healthy Eating Zone A parenting resource on . . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.12/1202 - Release Date: 12/29/2007 1:27 PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2007 Report Share Posted December 30, 2007 How did you guess? Yes I sent this, because I would really like to have to definitive information on this subject. Roni Gracia <circe@...> wrote: Roni (is your first name macaroni?) did you really just send this to iodine group? wooohooo you might get an earful. as I wrote b4, Shomon is now working with Dr. Brownstein on her own iodine deficiency, so I think this will be removed from her website soon. I am glad if you joined the iodine group b/c it is good and more science oriented. Gracia Thyroid Disease [input] [input] [input] [input] [input] [input] [input] [input] [input] [input] Health Thyroid Disease Essentials What is Thyroid Disease?Symptoms of Thyroid DiseaseDiagnosis of Thyroid DiseaseTreatments: Thyroid Disease & ConditionsDiet Center, Thyroid Quizzes, Tools zob() Thyroid Offers Iodine Supplements Elevated Thyroid My Thyroid Raw Thyroid Slow Thyroid What are offers? Recent Activity a.. 9New Members Visit Your Group Get cancer support Connect w/ others find help & share Health Fit for Life Getting fit is now easier than ever. FruitaBü Parents Healthy Eating Zone A parenting resource on . .. ---------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.12/1202 - Release Date: 12/29/2007 1:27 PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2008 Report Share Posted January 7, 2008 Perhaps iodine gives people more energy, makes them feel better, etc. but maybe that isn't from a defficiency at all. If someone who wasn't defficient in b12 were to get a b12 shot, they would probably have more energy, and feel " better " for a while. Just because you feel better on a certain substance, that doesn't equal defficient. In terms of b12, taking larger doses than recommended (to my understanding) don't cause terrible side effects for quite some time until things like loss of vision occurr. Peace, P.S. I don't mean to sound like I am picking on people for their beliefs. I am totally down with new things and ways of thinking ... some of it just doesn't add up for me. **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2008 Report Share Posted January 16, 2008 I wonder if that result is permanent. My mother definitely had headaches, agitation, and altered perceptions. Roni Chuck B <gumboyaya@...> wrote: Sam and Gracia, I came across the following citations today: " Headache, dizziness and delirium have been reported in severe iodine intoxications. Altered sensorium (agitation, confusion, hallucinations) have occurred in association with elevated serum iodine concentrations, (Alvarez, 1979; Gosselin et al., 1984). Continued administration of iodine may lead to mental depression, nervousness and insomnia (Reynolds, 1989). " Alvarez E (1979) Neutropenia in a burn patient being treated topically with povidone-iodine foam. Plastic Reconstr Surg, 63: 839-840. Gosselin RE, RP, & Hodge HC (1984) Iodine: Clinical toxicology of commercial products. Fifth Edition, Baltimore, and Wilkins. Reynolds JEF ed. (1989) dale, the extra pharmacopoeia, 29th ed. London, The Pharmaceutical Press, pp 1184-1186. This explains a lot, especially the part about confusion and hallucinations. Chuck --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2008 Report Share Posted January 16, 2008 You will need to cite the specific sections in these articles and links to them. In going thru the first article, and I found it here: http://www.inchem.org/documents/pims/pharm/iodine.htm (Looks like there's reference to Wolff & Chaikoff <rolling eyes>) The first parts talk about iodine in caustic strengths in applications other than curative (disinfectants, etc). They also talk about radioactive idine in this article as well. And there's some interesting things there as well: In section 4.2 Therapeutic dosage, " Therapeutic dose range is 50 to 150 mg/day but up to 500 mg of iodine per day is often used, (Haynes, 1990). " And under 'Cough mixture' in the same section, " Potassium iodide aqueous expectorant is given at a dose of 300 mg every 6 hours. (Haynes, 1990) " And also in teh same section under 'Purification of drinking water' " In case of emergencies, 5 to 10 drops of tincture to a quart of water is both amoebicidal and bactericidal (Osol, 1980). " Now in section 5, under '5. ROUTES OF ENTRY' it says " Toxic effects in humans can occur via accidental or suicidal poisonings, (Gosselin et al., 1984). [my note: but don't list amounts] Toxic effects of iodine compounds resulting from ingestion of seaweed, mucolytic expectorants or X-ray contrast are reported. " In section 5.3 " Topical iodine (especially with multiple applications) can be absorbed, causing toxic effects. " But in section 6.1 it says " Only very small quantities of iodine are absorbed through an intact skin, (Reynolds, 1989). In 6.2 " When taken by mouth iodine is rapidly converted to iodide and is stored in the thyroid as thyroglobulin, (Reynolds, 1989). " [my note: uh-oh, they forgot about it also going to the rest of the body] In section 6.5 'Elimination, by route of exposure' " Iodine is excreted mainly in the urine, (ILO 1971) and in smaller quantities in saliva, milk, sweat, bile and other secretions, (Clayton & Clayton, 1981-1982). Renal iodine clearance is related to glomerular filtration rate. Normal renal excretion is 12000 µg/day (Hunt et al. ,1980). " Chuck? How about something not infected with Wolff & Chaikoff BS. I mean there was some interesting things in the first article, but when I came to W-C I had to completely disregard the entire thing, even tho I read the entire thing. It's sort of like dismissing anything attached to the name Hulda . Sam :-o > > Sam and Gracia, > > I came across the following citations today: " Headache, dizziness and > delirium have been reported in severe iodine intoxications. Altered > sensorium (agitation, confusion, hallucinations) > have occurred in association with elevated serum iodine concentrations, > (Alvarez, 1979; Gosselin et al., 1984). Continued administration of > iodine may lead to mental depression, nervousness and insomnia > (Reynolds, 1989). " > > Alvarez E (1979) Neutropenia in a burn patient being treated > topically with povidone-iodine foam. Plastic Reconstr Surg, > 63: 839-840. > > Gosselin RE, RP, & Hodge HC (1984) Iodine: Clinical > toxicology of commercial products. Fifth Edition, Baltimore, > and Wilkins. > > Reynolds JEF ed. (1989) dale, the extra pharmacopoeia, > 29th ed. London, The Pharmaceutical Press, pp 1184-1186. > > This explains a lot, especially the part about confusion and > hallucinations. > > Chuck > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2008 Report Share Posted January 16, 2008 LOL I really love my Iodoral and companion nutrients. I think the researchers are confused. you have to have iodine/iodide AT THE RIGHT DOSE for it to work properly. Gracia I wonder if that result is permanent. My mother definitely had headaches, agitation, and altered perceptions. Roni Chuck B <gumboyaya@...> wrote: Sam and Gracia, I came across the following citations today: " Headache, dizziness and delirium have been reported in severe iodine intoxications. Altered sensorium (agitation, confusion, hallucinations) have occurred in association with elevated serum iodine concentrations, (Alvarez, 1979; Gosselin et al., 1984). Continued administration of iodine may lead to mental depression, nervousness and insomnia (Reynolds, 1989). " Alvarez E (1979) Neutropenia in a burn patient being treated topically with povidone-iodine foam. Plastic Reconstr Surg, 63: 839-840. Gosselin RE, RP, & Hodge HC (1984) Iodine: Clinical toxicology of commercial products. Fifth Edition, Baltimore, and Wilkins. Reynolds JEF ed. (1989) dale, the extra pharmacopoeia, 29th ed. London, The Pharmaceutical Press, pp 1184-1186. This explains a lot, especially the part about confusion and hallucinations. Chuck --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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