iodine

[Guest guest]

Roni, the overusers of iodine on this list would call the insomnia and

nervousness " energy and ability to carry on like one was getting younger

instead of older " . Guess it all depends on your interpretation!!!!

Dusty

Re: Iodine

LOL

I really love my Iodoral and companion nutrients. I think the researchers

are confused.

you have to have iodine/iodide AT THE RIGHT DOSE for it to work properly.

Gracia

I wonder if that result is permanent. My mother definitely had headaches,

agitation,

and altered perceptions.

Roni

Chuck B <gumboyayacox (DOT) <mailto:gumboyaya%40cox.net> net> wrote:

Sam and Gracia,

I came across the following citations today: " Headache, dizziness and

delirium have been reported in severe iodine intoxications. Altered

sensorium (agitation, confusion, hallucinations)

have occurred in association with elevated serum iodine concentrations,

(Alvarez, 1979; Gosselin et al., 1984). Continued administration of

iodine may lead to mental depression, nervousness and insomnia

(Reynolds, 1989). "

Alvarez E (1979) Neutropenia in a burn patient being treated

topically with povidone-iodine foam. Plastic Reconstr Surg,

63: 839-840.

Gosselin RE, RP, & Hodge HC (1984) Iodine: Clinical

toxicology of commercial products. Fifth Edition, Baltimore,

and Wilkins.

Reynolds JEF ed. (1989) dale, the extra pharmacopoeia,

29th ed. London, The Pharmaceutical Press, pp 1184-1186.

This explains a lot, especially the part about confusion and

hallucinations.

Chuck

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You're right, healing, just like beauty is in the eye of the beholder. LOL

Roni

Dusty <dusty@...> wrote:

Roni, the overusers of iodine on this list would call the insomnia and

nervousness " energy and ability to carry on like one was getting younger

instead of older " . Guess it all depends on your interpretation!!!!

Dusty

Re: Iodine

LOL

I really love my Iodoral and companion nutrients. I think the researchers

are confused.

you have to have iodine/iodide AT THE RIGHT DOSE for it to work properly.

Gracia

I wonder if that result is permanent. My mother definitely had headaches,

agitation,

and altered perceptions.

Roni

Chuck B <gumboyayacox (DOT) <mailto:gumboyaya%40cox.net> net> wrote:

Sam and Gracia,

I came across the following citations today: " Headache, dizziness and

delirium have been reported in severe iodine intoxications. Altered

sensorium (agitation, confusion, hallucinations)

have occurred in association with elevated serum iodine concentrations,

(Alvarez, 1979; Gosselin et al., 1984). Continued administration of

iodine may lead to mental depression, nervousness and insomnia

(Reynolds, 1989). "

Alvarez E (1979) Neutropenia in a burn patient being treated

topically with povidone-iodine foam. Plastic Reconstr Surg,

63: 839-840.

Gosselin RE, RP, & Hodge HC (1984) Iodine: Clinical

toxicology of commercial products. Fifth Edition, Baltimore,

and Wilkins.

Reynolds JEF ed. (1989) dale, the extra pharmacopoeia,

29th ed. London, The Pharmaceutical Press, pp 1184-1186.

This explains a lot, especially the part about confusion and

hallucinations.

Chuck

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Roni Molin wrote:

>

>

> I wonder if that result is permanent. My mother definitely had

> headaches, agitation,

> and altered perceptions.

Was she loading with iodine?

Chuck

[Guest guest]

They did give her iodine for quite a while. Then she developed a goiter, which

they removed.

Her behavior didn't go away.

Roni

Chuck B <gumboyaya@...> wrote:

Roni Molin wrote:

>

>

> I wonder if that result is permanent. My mother definitely had

> headaches, agitation,

> and altered perceptions.

Was she loading with iodine?

Chuck

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Sam,

You wrote:

>

> You will need to cite the specific sections in these articles and

> links to them.

I copied the one relevant part in its entirety in my post. What do you

mean " cite specific sections. " You read the part I posted, right. That

section included citations to specific publications, which I also

provided. I never mentioned all the other stuff you talked about, none

of which was relevant to chronic exposure, especially the radioactive

parts.

I have no idea why you especially zeroed in on the mentions of the

Wolff-Chaikoff effect. The acute dosage W-C effect is not only well

documented, it was used for many years to prepare patients for

thyroidectomy.

They have a good model explaining why it works the way it does:

Corvilain, B : Van Sande, J : Dumont, J E, " Inhibition by iodide of

iodide binding to proteins: the Wolff-Chaikoff effect is caused by

inhibition of H2O2 generation. " Biochem-Biophys-Res-Commun. 1988 Aug 15;

154(3): 1287-92

http://grande.nal.usda.gov/ibids/index.php?mode2=detail & origin=ibids_references & \

therow=199486

It is still being studied:

K. Markou, N. Georgopoulos, V. Kyriazopoulou, A.G. Vagenakis,

" Iodine-Induced Hypothyroidism, Thyroid. 2001, 11(5): 501-510.

Here's the abstract:

Iodine is an essential element for thyroid hormone synthesis. The

thyroid gland has the capacity and holds the machinery to handle the

iodine efficiently when the availability of iodine becomes scarce, as

well as when iodine is available in excessive quantities. The latter

situation is handled by the thyroid by acutely inhibiting the

organification of iodine, the so-called acute Wolff-Chaikoff effect, by

a mechanism not well understood 52 years after the original description.

It is proposed that iodopeptide(s) are formed that temporarily inhibit

thyroid peroxidase (TPO) mRNA and protein synthesis and, therefore,

thyroglobulin iodinations. The Wolff-Chaikoff effect is an effective

means of rejecting the large quantities of iodide and therefore

preventing the thyroid from synthesizing large quantities of thyroid

hormones. The acute Wolff-Chaikoff effect lasts for few a days and then,

through the so-called " escape " phenomenon, the organification of

intrathyroidal iodide resumes and the normal synthesis of thyroxine (T4)

and triiodothyronine (T3) returns. This is achieved by decreasing the

intrathyroidal inorganic iodine concentration by down regulation of the

sodium iodine symporter (NIS) and therefore permits the TPO-H2O2 system

to resume normal activity. However, in a few apparently normal

individuals, in newborns and fetuses, in some patients with chronic

systemic diseases, euthyroid patients with autoimmune thyroiditis, and

Graves' disease patients previously treated with radioimmunoassay (RAI),

surgery or antithyroid drugs, the escape from the inhibitory effect of

large doses of iodides is not achieved and clinical or subclinical

hypothyroidism ensues. Iodide-induced hypothyroidism has also been

observed in patients with a history of postpartum thyroiditis, in

euthyroid patients after a previous episode of subacute thyroiditis, and

in patients treated with recombinant interferon-α who developed

transient thyroid dysfunction during interferon-α treatment. The

hypothyroidism is transient and thyroid function returns to normal in 2

to 3 weeks after iodide withdrawal, but transient T4 replacement therapy

may be required in some patients. The patients who develop transient

iodine-induced hypothyroidism must be followed long term thereafter

because many will develop permanent primary hypothyroidism.

Where's the beef? I never mentioned W-C, just citing some peculiar

effects of chronic high iodine levels. W-C is a short-term acute dose

effect. I think you must have misunderstood something. What you posted

was a compilation of unrelated chemical safety data provided various

Canadian governmental organizations.

Chuck

[Guest guest]

Roni Molin wrote:

>

>

> They did give her iodine for quite a while. Then she developed a goiter,

> which they removed.

> Her behavior didn't go away.

Then, yes, it could be permanent.

Chuck

[Guest guest]

No you didn't, the articles did. I went thru a couple of the first

citings you listed, and noted their references to the W-C effect

thingy. After all this time, the W-C effect has never been proven to

occur in humans, just rats...so it's silly for researchers et al to

infer that it does apply to humans and then base research and

treatments et al on that.

I'll go thru them again, but I'm recovering from watching and paying

for the replacement of the CV joint and half axel on the driver's

side front of my Nissan NX...it was like watching open heart surgery

on a newborn...<shudder> I wish just pouring a gallon of iodine on

it would have fixed it, but oh well. (:-P

Sam

(ps - Chuck, how are you doing? Are you ok healthwise?)

> >

> > You will need to cite the specific sections in these articles and

> > links to them.

>

> I copied the one relevant part in its entirety in my post. What do

you

> mean " cite specific sections. " You read the part I posted, right.

That

> section included citations to specific publications, which I also

> provided. I never mentioned all the other stuff you talked about,

none

> of which was relevant to chronic exposure, especially the

radioactive

> parts.

>

> I have no idea why you especially zeroed in on the mentions of the

> Wolff-Chaikoff effect. The acute dosage W-C effect is not only well

> documented, it was used for many years to prepare patients for

> thyroidectomy.

>

> They have a good model explaining why it works the way it does:

>

> Corvilain, B : Van Sande, J : Dumont, J E, " Inhibition by iodide of

> iodide binding to proteins: the Wolff-Chaikoff effect is caused by

> inhibition of H2O2 generation. " Biochem-Biophys-Res-Commun.

1988 Aug 15;

> 154(3): 1287-92

>

> http://grande.nal.usda.gov/ibids/index.php?

mode2=detail & origin=ibids_references & therow=199486

>

> It is still being studied:

>

> K. Markou, N. Georgopoulos, V. Kyriazopoulou, A.G. Vagenakis,

> " Iodine-Induced Hypothyroidism, Thyroid. 2001, 11(5): 501-510.

>

> Here's the abstract:

>

> Iodine is an essential element for thyroid hormone synthesis. The

> thyroid gland has the capacity and holds the machinery to handle

the

> iodine efficiently when the availability of iodine becomes scarce,

as

> well as when iodine is available in excessive quantities. The

latter

> situation is handled by the thyroid by acutely inhibiting the

> organification of iodine, the so-called acute Wolff-Chaikoff

effect, by

> a mechanism not well understood 52 years after the original

description.

> It is proposed that iodopeptide(s) are formed that temporarily

inhibit

> thyroid peroxidase (TPO) mRNA and protein synthesis and, therefore,

> thyroglobulin iodinations. The Wolff-Chaikoff effect is an

effective

> means of rejecting the large quantities of iodide and therefore

> preventing the thyroid from synthesizing large quantities of

thyroid

> hormones. The acute Wolff-Chaikoff effect lasts for few a days and

then,

> through the so-called " escape " phenomenon, the organification of

> intrathyroidal iodide resumes and the normal synthesis of thyroxine

(T4)

> and triiodothyronine (T3) returns. This is achieved by decreasing

the

> intrathyroidal inorganic iodine concentration by down regulation of

the

> sodium iodine symporter (NIS) and therefore permits the TPO-H2O2

system

> to resume normal activity. However, in a few apparently normal

> individuals, in newborns and fetuses, in some patients with chronic

> systemic diseases, euthyroid patients with autoimmune thyroiditis,

and

> Graves' disease patients previously treated with radioimmunoassay

(RAI),

> surgery or antithyroid drugs, the escape from the inhibitory effect

of

> large doses of iodides is not achieved and clinical or subclinical

> hypothyroidism ensues. Iodide-induced hypothyroidism has also been

> observed in patients with a history of postpartum thyroiditis, in

> euthyroid patients after a previous episode of subacute

thyroiditis, and

> in patients treated with recombinant interferon-α who developed

> transient thyroid dysfunction during interferon-α treatment. The

> hypothyroidism is transient and thyroid function returns to normal

in 2

> to 3 weeks after iodide withdrawal, but transient T4 replacement

therapy

> may be required in some patients. The patients who develop

transient

> iodine-induced hypothyroidism must be followed long term thereafter

> because many will develop permanent primary hypothyroidism.

>

> Where's the beef? I never mentioned W-C, just citing some peculiar

> effects of chronic high iodine levels. W-C is a short-term acute

dose

> effect. I think you must have misunderstood something. What you

posted

> was a compilation of unrelated chemical safety data provided

various

> Canadian governmental organizations.

>

> Chuck

>

[Guest guest]

look really---

the thyroid gland likes iodide. Iodoral is a combination of iodine and

iodide. the thyroid gland needs ENOUGH to treat the goiter (not some).

Gracia

They did give her iodine for quite a while. Then she developed a goiter, which

they removed.

Her behavior didn't go away.

Roni

Chuck B <gumboyaya@...> wrote:

Roni Molin wrote:

>

>

> I wonder if that result is permanent. My mother definitely had

> headaches, agitation,

> and altered perceptions.

Was she loading with iodine?

Chuck

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Sam,

You wrote:

>

> (ps - Chuck, how are you doing? Are you ok healthwise?)

>

As good as ever, thanks, although still a little sore from all the

logging I had to do to clean up after the ice storm in December. I am

looking forward to trying T3 meds. Still waiting for all the tests to

come back. I guess that will have to wait until Monday.

Best,

Chuck

[Guest guest]

Chuck I am surprised that you are going to take T3, after being so positive that

the T4 was doing a good job for you and that it was converting to T3 and that

you didn't need to take it. What happened that has convinced you otherwise?

Roni

Chuck B <gumboyaya@...> wrote:

Sam,

You wrote:

>

> (ps - Chuck, how are you doing? Are you ok healthwise?)

>

As good as ever, thanks, although still a little sore from all the

logging I had to do to clean up after the ice storm in December. I am

looking forward to trying T3 meds. Still waiting for all the tests to

come back. I guess that will have to wait until Monday.

Best,

Chuck

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Roni,

You wrote:

>

>

> Chuck I am surprised that you are going to take T3, after being so

> positive that

> the T4 was doing a good job for you and that it was converting to T3 and

> that

> you didn't need to take it. What happened that has convinced you otherwise?

The issue is over heavy exercise. My T4 to T3 conversion seems to be

more than adequate as long as I am sedentary. When I try to do real

physical work for more than about three hours at a time, I don't just

get tired, I run into a " wall " and have to stop moving completely for

awhile. My theory is that I might simply be using up all the T3 and need

to wait for my system to catch up. It may also be that I am simply out

of shape, that my usual level of exercise dose not prepare me for a

weekend of yard work.

Anyway, the doctor said he would give it a try. I think I will just take

the T3 as a supplement to my usual T4 dosage whenever I anticipate a lot

of physical activity. We'll see if it makes a difference.

I did actually recommend Armour to my neice, who is now taking it.

Chuck

[Guest guest]

I was wondering the same thing!!! Boy, are you going to get e-mails

Chuck!

Venizia

> >

> > (ps - Chuck, how are you doing? Are you ok healthwise?)

> >

>

> As good as ever, thanks, although still a little sore from all the

> logging I had to do to clean up after the ice storm in December. I am

> looking forward to trying T3 meds. Still waiting for all the tests to

> come back. I guess that will have to wait until Monday.

>

> Best,

> Chuck

>

>

>

>

>

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>

[Guest guest]

You know Chuck, you are an older babyboomer sooo..... just kidding!

Let us know how your niece does on the armour.

Venizia

-- In hypothyroidism , Chuck B <gumboyaya@...> wrote:

>

> Roni,

>

> You wrote:

> >

> >

> > Chuck I am surprised that you are going to take T3, after being so

> > positive that

> > the T4 was doing a good job for you and that it was converting to

T3 and

> > that

> > you didn't need to take it. What happened that has convinced you

otherwise?

>

> The issue is over heavy exercise. My T4 to T3 conversion seems to be

> more than adequate as long as I am sedentary. When I try to do real

> physical work for more than about three hours at a time, I don't just

> get tired, I run into a " wall " and have to stop moving completely for

> awhile. My theory is that I might simply be using up all the T3 and

need

> to wait for my system to catch up. It may also be that I am simply out

> of shape, that my usual level of exercise dose not prepare me for a

> weekend of yard work.

>

> Anyway, the doctor said he would give it a try. I think I will just

take

> the T3 as a supplement to my usual T4 dosage whenever I anticipate a

lot

> of physical activity. We'll see if it makes a difference.

>

> I did actually recommend Armour to my neice, who is now taking it.

>

> Chuck

>

[Guest guest]

Chuck,

It will be very interesting to see if the added T3 will help with

your endurance and exercise tolerance. Good luck with that. I've

heard that some folks have a harder time converting T4 to T3. Your

experiment might be helpfull to others. ~

> >

> >

> > Chuck I am surprised that you are going to take T3, after being

so

> > positive that

> > the T4 was doing a good job for you and that it was converting to

T3 and

> > that

> > you didn't need to take it. What happened that has convinced you

otherwise?

>

> The issue is over heavy exercise. My T4 to T3 conversion seems to

be

> more than adequate as long as I am sedentary. When I try to do real

> physical work for more than about three hours at a time, I don't

just

> get tired, I run into a " wall " and have to stop moving completely

for

> awhile. My theory is that I might simply be using up all the T3 and

need

> to wait for my system to catch up. It may also be that I am simply

out

> of shape, that my usual level of exercise dose not prepare me for a

> weekend of yard work.

>

> Anyway, the doctor said he would give it a try. I think I will just

take

> the T3 as a supplement to my usual T4 dosage whenever I anticipate

a lot

> of physical activity. We'll see if it makes a difference.

>

> I did actually recommend Armour to my neice, who is now taking it.

>

> Chuck

>

[Guest guest]

Chuck,

I was just wondering, when you said you ran into a wall. Runners

have a similar term " hitting the wall " during marathons somewhere

around 16 or 18 miles (I've forgotten) when they are low on glygogen

(boy I can't spell either or remember (o;). Anyway, you might just

be running out of fuel in the midst of your 3 hour " marathon " of yard

work.-----Or not, lol. ~

> >

> >

> > Chuck I am surprised that you are going to take T3, after being

so

> > positive that

> > the T4 was doing a good job for you and that it was converting to

T3 and

> > that

> > you didn't need to take it. What happened that has convinced you

otherwise?

>

> The issue is over heavy exercise. My T4 to T3 conversion seems to

be

> more than adequate as long as I am sedentary. When I try to do real

> physical work for more than about three hours at a time, I don't

just

> get tired, I run into a " wall " and have to stop moving completely

for

> awhile. My theory is that I might simply be using up all the T3 and

need

> to wait for my system to catch up. It may also be that I am simply

out

> of shape, that my usual level of exercise dose not prepare me for a

> weekend of yard work.

>

> Anyway, the doctor said he would give it a try. I think I will just

take

> the T3 as a supplement to my usual T4 dosage whenever I anticipate

a lot

> of physical activity. We'll see if it makes a difference.

>

> I did actually recommend Armour to my neice, who is now taking it.

>

> Chuck

>

[Guest guest]

????

I do work an average of 50 hours a week, but my work day ends at 10-11pm, then

I have to drive 40--50 minutes if the weather isn't bad. back roads all the

way home--I see lots of deer. being up late is not insomnia. I sure wish I

had a more normal schedule. When I go to sleep, usually 1-2am, I sleep like the

dead, until it's time to get up and go again.

I work so much, b/c I lost 30 years of my life. I coulda been somebody if I

had had proper medical care.

Gracia

Roni, the overusers of iodine on this list would call the insomnia and

nervousness " energy and ability to carry on like one was getting younger

instead of older " . Guess it all depends on your interpretation!!!!

Dusty

Re: Iodine

LOL

I really love my Iodoral and companion nutrients. I think the researchers

are confused.

you have to have iodine/iodide AT THE RIGHT DOSE for it to work properly.

Gracia

I wonder if that result is permanent. My mother definitely had headaches,

agitation,

and altered perceptions.

Roni

Chuck B <gumboyayacox (DOT) <mailto:gumboyaya%40cox.net> net> wrote:

Sam and Gracia,

I came across the following citations today: " Headache, dizziness and

delirium have been reported in severe iodine intoxications. Altered

sensorium (agitation, confusion, hallucinations)

have occurred in association with elevated serum iodine concentrations,

(Alvarez, 1979; Gosselin et al., 1984). Continued administration of

iodine may lead to mental depression, nervousness and insomnia

(Reynolds, 1989). "

Alvarez E (1979) Neutropenia in a burn patient being treated

topically with povidone-iodine foam. Plastic Reconstr Surg,

63: 839-840.

Gosselin RE, RP, & Hodge HC (1984) Iodine: Clinical

toxicology of commercial products. Fifth Edition, Baltimore,

and Wilkins.

Reynolds JEF ed. (1989) dale, the extra pharmacopoeia,

29th ed. London, The Pharmaceutical Press, pp 1184-1186.

This explains a lot, especially the part about confusion and

hallucinations.

Chuck

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Venizia,

You wrote:

>

>

> You know Chuck, you are an older babyboomer sooo..... just kidding!

> Let us know how your niece does on the armour.

She has been doing well for the last six months, and has convinced her

mom to try Cytomel.

Just to be clear about me. I still seem to be doing fine on T4 only. I

only want the option of a little T3 when I exercise.

Chuck

[Guest guest]

claudia,

You wrote:

>...Runners have a similar term " hitting the wall " during marathons somewhere

> around 16 or 18 miles (I've forgotten) when they are low on glygogen

> (boy I can't spell either or remember (o;)....

Different wall. In my misspent youth, I did several 10k runs. I was

content to just watch the marathoners finish, but I knew what running

out of fuel meant. I don't come anywhere near that level of effort but

still seem to just shut down. That is why I suspect it is lack of T3

rather than glucose processing.

Although my TSH crept up in the last test, I suspect it was a recent

change, since I really didn't notice any symptoms. I have increased my

dosage slightly while waiting for the doctor to decide what to change.

Chuck

[Guest guest]

Please refresh my memory...is she on synthroid and cytomel or is she

on armour and cytomel?

Venizia

>

>

> She has been doing well for the last six months, and has convinced her

> mom to try Cytomel.

>

> Just to be clear about me. I still seem to be doing fine on T4 only. I

> only want the option of a little T3 when I exercise.

>

> Chuck

>

[Guest guest]

venizia1948 wrote:

>

>

> Please refresh my memory...is she on synthroid and cytomel or is she

> on armour and cytomel?

She was on the first combo but recently switched to Armour, since the

Cytomel level was about the same. My sister has only been on

levethyroxine. My niece is still getting over mono from last year and

found out she has Celiac disease and has gone on a gluten free diet. She

consider wheat a poison.

For several years she was on a rather strict vegetarian diet, heavy in

soy and tea. She is fluent in Japanese and is often asked to meet with

visitors from Japan to her company.

Chuck

[Guest guest]

what did you do with the wood? I am always in need of kindling Only have

a woodstove for heat here.

Gracia

Sam,

You wrote:

>

> (ps - Chuck, how are you doing? Are you ok healthwise?)

>

As good as ever, thanks, although still a little sore from all the

logging I had to do to clean up after the ice storm in December. I am

looking forward to trying T3 meds. Still waiting for all the tests to

come back. I guess that will have to wait until Monday.

Best,

Chuck

[Guest guest]

Gracia,

You wrote:

>

> what did you do with the wood? I am always in need of kindling Only

> have a woodstove for heat here.

Kindling? Some of the branches we cut and stacked were about ten inches

thick. We have two fireplace inserts. I had one going during the power

outage. The problem with the new wood is that it will be green until

next fall. We're still waiting for FEMA to pick up the smaller branches,

but if they don't come soon, I'll start burning that, too.

Chuck

[Guest guest]

Wow, Chuck, what a new thing for you, that's exciting

:-) Please keep us posted on how it goes!

Peace,

--- Chuck B <gumboyaya@...> wrote:

> Roni,

>

> You wrote:

> >

> >

> > Chuck I am surprised that you are going to take

> T3, after being so

> > positive that

> > the T4 was doing a good job for you and that it

> was converting to T3 and

> > that

> > you didn't need to take it. What happened that has

> convinced you otherwise?

>

> The issue is over heavy exercise. My T4 to T3

> conversion seems to be

> more than adequate as long as I am sedentary. When I

> try to do real

> physical work for more than about three hours at a

> time, I don't just

> get tired, I run into a " wall " and have to stop

> moving completely for

> awhile. My theory is that I might simply be using up

> all the T3 and need

> to wait for my system to catch up. It may also be

> that I am simply out

> of shape, that my usual level of exercise dose not

> prepare me for a

> weekend of yard work.

>

> Anyway, the doctor said he would give it a try. I

> think I will just take

> the T3 as a supplement to my usual T4 dosage

> whenever I anticipate a lot

> of physical activity. We'll see if it makes a

> difference.

>

> I did actually recommend Armour to my neice, who is

> now taking it.

>

> Chuck

>

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I think you will find that if you feel better with the addition

of the T3, that you will want to take it on a regular basis.

I don't really see the idea of depriving your body of what

it needs unless you want to exert yourself. If it helps

with the exertion, it must also be helping when not.

Roni

Bradin <ebradi3951@...> wrote:

Wow, Chuck, what a new thing for you, that's exciting

:-) Please keep us posted on how it goes!

Peace,

--- Chuck B <gumboyaya@...> wrote:

> Roni,

>

> You wrote:

> >

> >

> > Chuck I am surprised that you are going to take

> T3, after being so

> > positive that

> > the T4 was doing a good job for you and that it

> was converting to T3 and

> > that

> > you didn't need to take it. What happened that has

> convinced you otherwise?

>

> The issue is over heavy exercise. My T4 to T3

> conversion seems to be

> more than adequate as long as I am sedentary. When I

> try to do real

> physical work for more than about three hours at a

> time, I don't just

> get tired, I run into a " wall " and have to stop

> moving completely for

> awhile. My theory is that I might simply be using up

> all the T3 and need

> to wait for my system to catch up. It may also be

> that I am simply out

> of shape, that my usual level of exercise dose not

> prepare me for a

> weekend of yard work.

>

> Anyway, the doctor said he would give it a try. I

> think I will just take

> the T3 as a supplement to my usual T4 dosage

> whenever I anticipate a lot

> of physical activity. We'll see if it makes a

> difference.

>

> I did actually recommend Armour to my neice, who is

> now taking it.

>

> Chuck

>

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Roni,

Exercise consumes T3 significantly faster than just resting. My

conversion rate seems to keep up with the demand unless I am physically

active. So, the extra T3 only seems to be needed when working. That is

why I wanted it as a supplement to the regular T4 dosage which was

titrated to a " normal " work day, which is unfortunately rather

sedentary. Taking extra T3 under those conditions could push me into

hyperT territory.

Conversely, people titrated with regular heavy exercise should be

careful about going hyperT, if they are ever incapacitated and cannot be

active.

Chuck

You wrote:

>

>

> I think you will find that if you feel better with the addition

> of the T3, that you will want to take it on a regular basis.

> I don't really see the idea of depriving your body of what

> it needs unless you want to exert yourself. If it helps

> with the exertion, it must also be helping when not.