Guest guest Posted April 9, 2008 Report Share Posted April 9, 2008 Done, done and done...okay...will do it Friday at the doc appt but...was already on my mind. Thank you so much for confirming the possibility and caring enough to mention it to me. This group is such a relief. Sometimes I feel like this is my Cheers (dating myself here but what the heck). People only get it when they are in the mix of thyroid issues! Now can we all stay well and have a serious cocktail to celebrate?! Dani Crystal <sweetnwright@...> wrote: 2 grains of Armour is a minimal dose, but maybe that's all you need or maybe you need your adrenals tested. Not sure if you knew it or not, but being able to take a low Armour dose can equal adrenal issues. Make sure you ask for a saliva test. cw -- Re: Hair loss - Thanks! I go in on Friday! I am staying away from the hairbrush as much as possible. Too frustrating to see all the hair left behind in the brush. Could this have anything to do with my body not absorbing the Armour well? I tried asking my doctor about this but wasn't entirely sure what to BEG for at this point! Dani __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2008 Report Share Posted April 9, 2008 Most of us have been in a bad position health wise and thank God for this list. I did too. SO it is my pleasure to share what I have been taught! cw -- Re: Hair loss - Thanks! I go in on Friday! I am staying away from the hairbrush as much as possible. Too frustrating to see all the hair left behind in the brush. Could this have anything to do with my body not absorbing the Armour well? I tried asking my doctor about this but wasn't entirely sure what to BEG for at this point! Dani __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2008 Report Share Posted April 10, 2008 the issues ppl have are 1) not enough thyroid meds 2) iodine deficiency (you will be told that you get all you need in salt but uh oh you aren't supposed to eat salt! and iodine is dangerous!) 3) low adrenal function you will have to find a holistic doc to get the above treated properly. or treat yourself. (I did). Gracia Okay,well I just posted my Armour schedule. I am pro Armour so I hope it works well for you. I am concerned it is another issue...just not sure which one. I have to insist my antibodies tests get run. They used to be high and I never got a Hashi's diagnosis or much care at all for that matter. It may very well be more complex than I realized and with more years it is showing itself. Dani Tester <reneetester@...> wrote: I am going to beg for Armour. I am not about to try Synthroid and all the other junk. My friend was on synthroid and it had to be increased over and over. Then eventually didnt work. So good luck. I hope your doctor tries Armour. le <danosova@...> wrote: - Thanks! I go in on Friday! I am staying away from the hairbrush as much as possible. Too frustrating to see all the hair left behind in the brush. Could this have anything to do with my body not absorbing the Armour well? I tried asking my doctor about this but wasn't entirely sure what to BEG for at this point! Dani __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2008 Report Share Posted April 10, 2008 I take 240mg all in the a.m. usual dose is 180--300mg Armour. Gracia Well, I take 2 grains broken up by taking 1/2 grain at 7am, 1/2 grain at 11 am, 1/2 grain at 4 pm and one final 1/2 grain at 7 pm or there about. My friend asked me if I was related to her cat who has apparently been shedding a lot as we come into Spring fully here in KY! Grimace. Dani Recent Activity a.. 14New Members Visit Your Group Meditation and Lovingkindness A Group to share and learn. Health Asthma Triggers How you can identify them. Share Photos Put your favorite photos and more online. . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.11/1368 - Release Date: 4/9/2008 4:20 PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2008 Report Share Posted April 10, 2008 Gracia, Do you remember when and I were going back and forth with posts regarding hair loss? We were both experiencing hair loss and I believe she found out that too much can give hair loss. The doctor I was seeing at the time which several of you questioned his actions about dosage, told me it was from not enough meds. Well, I am seeing a different doctor now and I have reduced my Armour to 2 grains 4 days and 3 grains 3 days a week ( I know you do not understand slitting like this but because I am SO sensitive to drugs this is what is working for me) Anyway, since I have reduced the Armour, I do not have half the hair loss I was experiencing. I was taking 3 grains 4 days a week and 2 1/2 grains 3 days a week. Just letting you know what I have experienced since lowering my dose. Venizia > - Thanks! > > I go in on Friday! I am staying away from the hairbrush as much as possible. Too frustrating to see all the hair left behind in the brush. > > Could this have anything to do with my body not absorbing the Armour well? I tried asking my doctor about this but wasn't entirely sure what to BEG for at this point! > > Dani > > __________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2008 Report Share Posted April 10, 2008 OK but I think you actually have some other issues, like low adrenals and iodine deficiency. if that is true you will see other probs from not enough Armour. Gracia Gracia, Do you remember when and I were going back and forth with posts regarding hair loss? We were both experiencing hair loss and I believe she found out that too much can give hair loss. The doctor I was seeing at the time which several of you questioned his actions about dosage, told me it was from not enough meds. Well, I am seeing a different doctor now and I have reduced my Armour to 2 grains 4 days and 3 grains 3 days a week ( I know you do not understand slitting like this but because I am SO sensitive to drugs this is what is working for me) Anyway, since I have reduced the Armour, I do not have half the hair loss I was experiencing. I was taking 3 grains 4 days a week and 2 1/2 grains 3 days a week. Just letting you know what I have experienced since lowering my dose. Venizia Recent Activity a.. 12New Members Visit Your Group Meditation and Lovingkindness A Group to share and learn. Health Achy Joint? Common arthritis myths debunked. Biz Resources Y! Small Business Articles, tools, forms, and more. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2008 Report Share Posted April 10, 2008 Gracia, Why do you think I have adrenal issues and iodine deficiency? I also was experiencing times of being too warm and actually sweating in the middle of winter. That is also gone since I lowered the armour. Just curious as to why you suggest adrenal and iodine deficiency in my case. I have to day I am feeling much better now all the way around. Oh ya, it's snowing here again this morning.....enough is enough!!! Venizia > > > OK but I think you actually have some other issues, like low adrenals and iodine deficiency. if that is true you will see other probs from not enough Armour. > Gracia > > Gracia, > > Do you remember when and I were going back and forth with > posts regarding hair loss? We were both experiencing hair loss and I > believe she found out that too much can give hair loss. The doctor I > was seeing at the time which several of you questioned his actions > about dosage, told me it was from not enough meds. Well, I am seeing > a different doctor now and I have reduced my Armour to 2 grains 4 days > and 3 grains 3 days a week ( I know you do not understand slitting > like this but because I am SO sensitive to drugs this is what is > working for me) Anyway, since I have reduced the Armour, I do not have > half the hair loss I was experiencing. I was taking 3 grains 4 days a > week and 2 1/2 grains 3 days a week. Just letting you know what I > have experienced since lowering my dose. > > Venizia > > > Recent Activity > a.. 12New Members > Visit Your Group > Meditation and > Lovingkindness > > A Group > > to share and learn. > > Health > Achy Joint? > > Common arthritis > > myths debunked. > > Biz Resources > Y! Small Business > > Articles, tools, > > forms, and more. > . > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2008 Report Share Posted April 10, 2008 Jumping back in here...I am going with adrenal issues. I have had facial hair with no ability to chalk it up to PCOS (never qualified for that diagnosis, thankfully). I thought I read somewhere adrenal issues or cortisol too high or too low can be a cause of hirsutism?? My gut says the dose is close to right but my body is not getting the full benefits because I have most likely Hashi's and being so poorly and late in life diagnosed, adrenal issues. I will see tomorrow how this plays out. Laundry list of labs to demand would be appreciated! Dani Gracia <circe@...> wrote: OK but I think you actually have some other issues, like low adrenals and iodine deficiency. if that is true you will see other probs from not enough Armour. Gracia Gracia, Do you remember when and I were going back and forth with posts regarding hair loss? We were both experiencing hair loss and I believe she found out that too much can give hair loss. The doctor I was seeing at the time which several of you questioned his actions about dosage, told me it was from not enough meds. Well, I am seeing a different doctor now and I have reduced my Armour to 2 grains 4 days and 3 grains 3 days a week ( I know you do not understand slitting like this but because I am SO sensitive to drugs this is what is working for me) Anyway, since I have reduced the Armour, I do not have half the hair loss I was experiencing. I was taking 3 grains 4 days a week and 2 1/2 grains 3 days a week. Just letting you know what I have experienced since lowering my dose. Venizia Recent Activity a.. 12New Members Visit Your Group Meditation and Lovingkindness A Group to share and learn. Health Achy Joint? Common arthritis myths debunked. Biz Resources Y! Small Business Articles, tools, forms, and more. .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2008 Report Share Posted April 10, 2008 Synthroid is well accepted and works well for most people. I have no problem with it whatsoever; nor does Chuck AFAIK. Armour or some other medication with T3 would be preferred for anyone who has a T4 to T3 conversion problem; as well as a small percentage of others who do not do well with Synthroid. On this list that percentage is obviously much higher. Starting low and increasing the dosage slowly has been the standard procedure for many years, whether you're on Armour or Synthroid. It's called " titration " I believe. The purpose of that is to see that you get enough medication to treat hypothyroidism without pushing you over the line into hyperthyroidism. It varies from person to person. > Re: Hair loss > <hypothyroidism/message/37480;_ylc=X3oDMTJxbG1pM3M\ zBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE0NTY2NARncnBzcElkAzE3MDkyNTEwODIEbXNnSWQDMzc0ODAEc2V\ jA2Rtc2cEc2xrA3Ztc2cEc3RpbWUDMTIwNzc5MDQ2Nw--> > > > > Posted by: " Tester " reneetester@... > <mailto:reneetester@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Hair%20loss> > reneetester <reneetester> > > > Wed Apr 9, 2008 10:00 am (PDT) > > I am going to beg for Armour. I am not about to try Synthroid and all > the other junk. My friend was on synthroid and it had to be increased > over and over. Then eventually didnt work. So good luck. I hope your > doctor tries Armour. > > le <danosova@... <mailto:danosova%40>> wrote: > - Thanks! > > I go in on Friday! I am staying away from the hairbrush as much as > possible. Too frustrating to see all the hair left behind in the brush. > > Could this have anything to do with my body not absorbing the Armour > well? I tried asking my doctor about this but wasn't entirely sure > what to BEG for at this point! > > Dani Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2008 Report Share Posted April 10, 2008 Just so you know, Armour has to be increased " over and over " too and it seems to require additional supplements to work well (i.e. iodine , cortisol, vitamins etc.) Read our archives where folks on Armour also experience hair loss. There's just no way to know which of us will and which of us won't. If you have just recently increased your Synthroid - your package insert (describing potential side effects, lists the possibility of short term hair loss. However, you may also be experiencing hyper symtoms (which include hair loss) or not be medicated enough for hypo symptoms (which also includes hair loss). Very confusing, I think!!!!! Keep us posted. Dusty Re: Hair loss Synthroid is well accepted and works well for most people. I have no problem with it whatsoever; nor does Chuck AFAIK. Armour or some other medication with T3 would be preferred for anyone who has a T4 to T3 conversion problem; as well as a small percentage of others who do not do well with Synthroid. On this list that percentage is obviously much higher. Starting low and increasing the dosage slowly has been the standard procedure for many years, whether you're on Armour or Synthroid. It's called " titration " I believe. The purpose of that is to see that you get enough medication to treat hypothyroidism without pushing you over the line into hyperthyroidism. It varies from person to person. > Re: Hair loss > <http://groups. <hypothyroidism/message/37480;_ylc=X3oDMTJxbG1 pM3MzBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE0NTY2NARncnBzcElkAzE3MDkyNTEwODIEbXNnSWQDMzc 0ODAEc2VjA2Rtc2cEc2xrA3Ztc2cEc3RpbWUDMTIwNzc5MDQ2Nw--> /group/hypothyroidism/message/37480;_ylc=X3oDMTJxbG1pM3MzBF9TAzk3Mz U5NzE1BGdycElkAzE0NTY2NARncnBzcElkAzE3MDkyNTEwODIEbXNnSWQDMzc0ODAEc2VjA2Rtc2 cEc2xrA3Ztc2cEc3RpbWUDMTIwNzc5MDQ2Nw--> > > > > Posted by: " Tester " reneetester@ <mailto:reneetester%40> > <mailto:reneetester@ <mailto:reneetester%40> ?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Hair%20loss> > reneetester <http://profiles. <reneetester> /reneetester> > > > Wed Apr 9, 2008 10:00 am (PDT) > > I am going to beg for Armour. I am not about to try Synthroid and all > the other junk. My friend was on synthroid and it had to be increased > over and over. Then eventually didnt work. So good luck. I hope your > doctor tries Armour. > > le <danosova (DOT) <mailto:danosova%40> com <mailto:danosova%40>> wrote: > - Thanks! > > I go in on Friday! I am staying away from the hairbrush as much as > possible. Too frustrating to see all the hair left behind in the brush. > > Could this have anything to do with my body not absorbing the Armour > well? I tried asking my doctor about this but wasn't entirely sure > what to BEG for at this point! > > Dani Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2008 Report Share Posted April 10, 2008 Don't forget that facial hair comes with age for women - as their hormones change in perimenopause and menopause. Dusty Re: Re: Hair loss Jumping back in here...I am going with adrenal issues. I have had facial hair with no ability to chalk it up to PCOS (never qualified for that diagnosis, thankfully). I thought I read somewhere adrenal issues or cortisol too high or too low can be a cause of hirsutism?? My gut says the dose is close to right but my body is not getting the full benefits because I have most likely Hashi's and being so poorly and late in life diagnosed, adrenal issues. I will see tomorrow how this plays out. Laundry list of labs to demand would be appreciated! Dani Gracia <circe@... <mailto:circe%40gwi.net> > wrote: OK but I think you actually have some other issues, like low adrenals and iodine deficiency. if that is true you will see other probs from not enough Armour. Gracia Gracia, Do you remember when and I were going back and forth with posts regarding hair loss? We were both experiencing hair loss and I believe she found out that too much can give hair loss. The doctor I was seeing at the time which several of you questioned his actions about dosage, told me it was from not enough meds. Well, I am seeing a different doctor now and I have reduced my Armour to 2 grains 4 days and 3 grains 3 days a week ( I know you do not understand slitting like this but because I am SO sensitive to drugs this is what is working for me) Anyway, since I have reduced the Armour, I do not have half the hair loss I was experiencing. I was taking 3 grains 4 days a week and 2 1/2 grains 3 days a week. Just letting you know what I have experienced since lowering my dose. Venizia Recent Activity a.. 12New Members Visit Your Group Meditation and Lovingkindness A Group to share and learn. Health Achy Joint? Common arthritis myths debunked. Biz Resources Y! Small Business Articles, tools, forms, and more. .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2008 Report Share Posted April 10, 2008 Gracia wrote: > > ... usual dose is 180--300mg Armour. Unless you ask the manufacturer of Armour, who says the MAXIMUM recommended dose is 180 mg. Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2008 Report Share Posted April 10, 2008 Dusty <dusty@...> wrote: Just so you know, Armour has to be increased " over and over " too and it seems to require additional supplements to work well (i.e. iodine , cortisol, vitamins etc.) Read our archives where folks on Armour also experience hair loss. There's just no way to know which of us will and which of us won't. If you have just recently increased your Synthroid - your package insert (describing potential side effects, lists the possibility of short term hair loss. However, you may also be experiencing hyper symtoms (which include hair loss) or not be medicated enough for hypo symptoms (which also includes hair loss). Very confusing, I think!!!!! Keep us posted. Dusty Re: Hair loss Synthroid is well accepted and works well for most people. I have no problem with it whatsoever; nor does Chuck AFAIK. Armour or some other medication with T3 would be preferred for anyone who has a T4 to T3 conversion problem; as well as a small percentage of others who do not do well with Synthroid. On this list that percentage is obviously much higher. Starting low and increasing the dosage slowly has been the standard procedure for many years, whether you're on Armour or Synthroid. It's called " titration " I believe. The purpose of that is to see that you get enough medication to treat hypothyroidism without pushing you over the line into hyperthyroidism. It varies from person to person. > Re: Hair loss > pM3MzBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE0NTY2NARncnBzcElkAzE3MDkyNTEwODIEbXNnSWQDMzc 0ODAEc2VjA2Rtc2cEc2xrA3Ztc2cEc3RpbWUDMTIwNzc5MDQ2Nw--> /group/hypothyroidism/message/37480;_ylc=X3oDMTJxbG1pM3MzBF9TAzk3Mz U5NzE1BGdycElkAzE0NTY2NARncnBzcElkAzE3MDkyNTEwODIEbXNnSWQDMzc0ODAEc2VjA2Rtc2 cEc2xrA3Ztc2cEc3RpbWUDMTIwNzc5MDQ2Nw--> > > > > Posted by: " Tester " reneetester@ > ?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Hair%20loss> > reneetester /reneetester> > > > Wed Apr 9, 2008 10:00 am (PDT) > > I am going to beg for Armour. I am not about to try Synthroid and all > the other junk. My friend was on synthroid and it had to be increased > over and over. Then eventually didnt work. So good luck. I hope your > doctor tries Armour. > > le com > wrote: > - Thanks! > > I go in on Friday! I am staying away from the hairbrush as much as > possible. Too frustrating to see all the hair left behind in the brush. > > Could this have anything to do with my body not absorbing the Armour > well? I tried asking my doctor about this but wasn't entirely sure > what to BEG for at this point! > > Dani Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2008 Report Share Posted April 10, 2008 Hum, True, however, I started having it as a teen. Dusty <dusty@...> wrote: Don't forget that facial hair comes with age for women - as their hormones change in perimenopause and menopause. Dusty Re: Re: Hair loss Jumping back in here...I am going with adrenal issues. I have had facial hair with no ability to chalk it up to PCOS (never qualified for that diagnosis, thankfully). I thought I read somewhere adrenal issues or cortisol too high or too low can be a cause of hirsutism?? My gut says the dose is close to right but my body is not getting the full benefits because I have most likely Hashi's and being so poorly and late in life diagnosed, adrenal issues. I will see tomorrow how this plays out. Laundry list of labs to demand would be appreciated! Dani Gracia <circe@... <mailto:circe%40gwi.net> > wrote: OK but I think you actually have some other issues, like low adrenals and iodine deficiency. if that is true you will see other probs from not enough Armour. Gracia Gracia, Do you remember when and I were going back and forth with posts regarding hair loss? We were both experiencing hair loss and I believe she found out that too much can give hair loss. The doctor I was seeing at the time which several of you questioned his actions about dosage, told me it was from not enough meds. Well, I am seeing a different doctor now and I have reduced my Armour to 2 grains 4 days and 3 grains 3 days a week ( I know you do not understand slitting like this but because I am SO sensitive to drugs this is what is working for me) Anyway, since I have reduced the Armour, I do not have half the hair loss I was experiencing. I was taking 3 grains 4 days a week and 2 1/2 grains 3 days a week. Just letting you know what I have experienced since lowering my dose. Venizia Recent Activity a.. 12New Members Visit Your Group Meditation and Lovingkindness A Group to share and learn. Health Achy Joint? Common arthritis myths debunked. Biz Resources Y! Small Business Articles, tools, forms, and more. .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2008 Report Share Posted April 10, 2008 I did not do bad on synthroid, however, I do better on Armour. After having a baby I got really sick because I wasn't on enough meds so that's when I decided to try Armour. You can't compare til you have used both. I say you try Armour for six months and see how better you feel. Cw -- Re: Hair loss Synthroid is well accepted and works well for most people. I have no problem with it whatsoever; nor does Chuck AFAIK. Armour or some other medication with T3 would be preferred for anyone who has a T4 to T3 conversion problem; as well as a small percentage of others who do not do well with Synthroid. On this list that percentage is obviously much higher. Starting low and increasing the dosage slowly has been the standard procedure for many years, whether you're on Armour or Synthroid. It's called " titration " I believe. The purpose of that is to see that you get enough medication to treat hypothyroidism without pushing you over the line into hyperthyroidism. It varies from person to person. > Re: Hair loss > <hypothyroidism/message/37480 _ylc=X3oDMTJxbG1pM3MzBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE0NTY2NARncnBzcElkAzE3MDkyNTEw DIEbXNnSWQDMzc0ODAEc2VjA2Rtc2cEc2xrA3Ztc2cEc3RpbWUDMTIwNzc5MDQ2Nw--> > > > > Posted by: " Tester " reneetester@... > <mailto:reneetester@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Hair%20loss> > reneetester <reneetester> > > > Wed Apr 9, 2008 10:00 am (PDT) > > I am going to beg for Armour. I am not about to try Synthroid and all > the other junk. My friend was on synthroid and it had to be increased > over and over. Then eventually didnt work. So good luck. I hope your > doctor tries Armour. > > le <danosova@... <mailto:danosova%40>> wrote: > - Thanks! > > I go in on Friday! I am staying away from the hairbrush as much as > possible. Too frustrating to see all the hair left behind in the brush. > > Could this have anything to do with my body not absorbing the Armour > well? I tried asking my doctor about this but wasn't entirely sure > what to BEG for at this point! > > Dani Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2008 Report Share Posted April 10, 2008 Synthroid has to be titrated too. No matter what, if your replacing lost hormone you have to find out how much was lost so you can replace it. I take Armour and do not use iodine or cortisol. Plenty of people withOUT thyroid problems can have adrenal issues. Armour has nothing to do with having to increase over and over or taking supplements. Armour is NOT scary! cw -- Re: Hair loss Synthroid is well accepted and works well for most people. I have no problem with it whatsoever; nor does Chuck AFAIK. Armour or some other medication with T3 would be preferred for anyone who has a T4 to T3 conversion problem; as well as a small percentage of others who do not do well with Synthroid. On this list that percentage is obviously much higher. Starting low and increasing the dosage slowly has been the standard procedure for many years, whether you're on Armour or Synthroid. It's called " titration " I believe. The purpose of that is to see that you get enough medication to treat hypothyroidism without pushing you over the line into hyperthyroidism. It varies from person to person. > Re: Hair loss > <http://groups. <hypothyroidism/message/37480;_ylc=X3oDMTJxbG1 pM3MzBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE0NTY2NARncnBzcElkAzE3MDkyNTEwODIEbXNnSWQDMzc 0ODAEc2VjA2Rtc2cEc2xrA3Ztc2cEc3RpbWUDMTIwNzc5MDQ2Nw--> /group/hypothyroidism/message/37480;_ylc=X3oDMTJxbG1pM3MzBF9TAzk3Mz U5NzE1BGdycElkAzE0NTY2NARncnBzcElkAzE3MDkyNTEwODIEbXNnSWQDMzc0ODAEc2VjA2Rtc2 cEc2xrA3Ztc2cEc3RpbWUDMTIwNzc5MDQ2Nw--> > > > > Posted by: " Tester " reneetester@ <mailto:reneetester%40> > <mailto:reneetester@ <mailto:reneetester%40> ?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Hair%20loss> > reneetester <http://profiles. <reneetester> /reneetester> > > > Wed Apr 9, 2008 10:00 am (PDT) > > I am going to beg for Armour. I am not about to try Synthroid and all > the other junk. My friend was on synthroid and it had to be increased > over and over. Then eventually didnt work. So good luck. I hope your > doctor tries Armour. > > le <danosova (DOT) <mailto:danosova%40> com <mailto:danosova%40>> wrote: > - Thanks! > > I go in on Friday! I am staying away from the hairbrush as much as > possible. Too frustrating to see all the hair left behind in the brush. > > Could this have anything to do with my body not absorbing the Armour > well? I tried asking my doctor about this but wasn't entirely sure > what to BEG for at this point! > > Dani Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2008 Report Share Posted April 11, 2008 this is medical myth and completely untrue, but if you don't know what to look for, then $inthroid will seem to be adequate. BTW--FIVE of my workmates are now taking Iodoral at least 50mg per day and loving it. I can't order bottles fast enough. the only resident that is on T4 meds Levoxyl just went to the ER last night b/c of heavy breathing (he can barely walk), they have him on 1000 cal diet b/c of weight gain, he is in horrible shape but GOOD NEWS! ER docs say he is " fine " . Gracia Synthroid is well accepted and works well for most people. I have no problem with it whatsoever; nor does Chuck AFAIK. Armour or some other medication with T3 would be preferred for anyone who has a T4 to T3 conversion problem; as well as a small percentage of others who do not do well with Synthroid. On this list that percentage is obviously much higher. Starting low and increasing the dosage slowly has been the standard procedure for many years, whether you're on Armour or Synthroid. It's called " titration " I believe. The purpose of that is to see that you get enough medication to treat hypothyroidism without pushing you over the line into hyperthyroidism. It varies from person to person. > Re: Hair loss > <hypothyroidism/message/37480;_ylc=X3oDMTJxbG1pM3M\ zBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE0NTY2NARncnBzcElkAzE3MDkyNTEwODIEbXNnSWQDMzc0ODAEc2V\ jA2Rtc2cEc2xrA3Ztc2cEc3RpbWUDMTIwNzc5MDQ2Nw--> > > > > Posted by: " Tester " reneetester@... > <mailto:reneetester@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Hair%20loss> > reneetester <reneetester> > > > Wed Apr 9, 2008 10:00 am (PDT) > > I am going to beg for Armour. I am not about to try Synthroid and all > the other junk. My friend was on synthroid and it had to be increased > over and over. Then eventually didnt work. So good luck. I hope your > doctor tries Armour. > > le <danosova@... <mailto:danosova%40>> wrote: > - Thanks! > > I go in on Friday! I am staying away from the hairbrush as much as > possible. Too frustrating to see all the hair left behind in the brush. > > Could this have anything to do with my body not absorbing the Armour > well? I tried asking my doctor about this but wasn't entirely sure > what to BEG for at this point! > > Dani ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.11/1368 - Release Date: 4/9/2008 4:20 PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2008 Report Share Posted April 11, 2008 I feel good and my labs are good so I don't have a lot of incentive to experiment. > Re: Hair loss > <hypothyroidism/message/37525;_ylc=X3oDMTJxY29yaGQ\ wBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE0NTY2NARncnBzcElkAzE3MDkyNTEwODIEbXNnSWQDMzc1MjUEc2V\ jA2Rtc2cEc2xrA3Ztc2cEc3RpbWUDMTIwNzg4NzkyOQ--> > > > > Posted by: " Crystal " sweetnwright@... > <mailto:sweetnwright@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Hair%20loss> > sweetenloe1 <sweetenloe1> > > > Thu Apr 10, 2008 9:25 pm (PDT) > > I did not do bad on synthroid, however, I do better on Armour. After > having a baby I got really sick because I wasn't on enough meds so that's > when I decided to try Armour. > You can't compare til you have used both. I say you try Armour for six > months and see how better you feel. > Cw > > -- Re: Hair loss > > Synthroid is well accepted and works well for most people. I have no > problem with it whatsoever; nor does Chuck AFAIK. Armour or some other > medication with T3 would be preferred for anyone who has a T4 to T3 > conversion problem; as well as a small percentage of others who do not > do well with Synthroid. On this list that percentage is obviously much > higher. > > Starting low and increasing the dosage slowly has been the standard > procedure for many years, whether you're on Armour or Synthroid. It's > called " titration " I believe. The purpose of that is to see that you > get enough medication to treat hypothyroidism without pushing you over > the line into hyperthyroidism. It varies from person to person. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2008 Report Share Posted April 11, 2008 In your case, there's no need to. Roni <res075oh@...> wrote: I feel good and my labs are good so I don't have a lot of incentive to experiment. > Re: Hair loss > > > > > Posted by: " Crystal " sweetnwright@... > > sweetenloe1 > > > Thu Apr 10, 2008 9:25 pm (PDT) > > I did not do bad on synthroid, however, I do better on Armour. After > having a baby I got really sick because I wasn't on enough meds so that's > when I decided to try Armour. > You can't compare til you have used both. I say you try Armour for six > months and see how better you feel. > Cw > > -- Re: Hair loss > > Synthroid is well accepted and works well for most people. I have no > problem with it whatsoever; nor does Chuck AFAIK. Armour or some other > medication with T3 would be preferred for anyone who has a T4 to T3 > conversion problem; as well as a small percentage of others who do not > do well with Synthroid. On this list that percentage is obviously much > higher. > > Starting low and increasing the dosage slowly has been the standard > procedure for many years, whether you're on Armour or Synthroid. It's > called " titration " I believe. The purpose of that is to see that you > get enough medication to treat hypothyroidism without pushing you over > the line into hyperthyroidism. It varies from person to person. > > ------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2008 Report Share Posted April 11, 2008 In your case, there's no need to. Roni <res075oh@...> wrote: I feel good and my labs are good so I don't have a lot of incentive to experiment. > Re: Hair loss > > > > > Posted by: " Crystal " sweetnwright@... > > sweetenloe1 > > > Thu Apr 10, 2008 9:25 pm (PDT) > > I did not do bad on synthroid, however, I do better on Armour. After > having a baby I got really sick because I wasn't on enough meds so that's > when I decided to try Armour. > You can't compare til you have used both. I say you try Armour for six > months and see how better you feel. > Cw > > -- Re: Hair loss > > Synthroid is well accepted and works well for most people. I have no > problem with it whatsoever; nor does Chuck AFAIK. Armour or some other > medication with T3 would be preferred for anyone who has a T4 to T3 > conversion problem; as well as a small percentage of others who do not > do well with Synthroid. On this list that percentage is obviously much > higher. > > Starting low and increasing the dosage slowly has been the standard > procedure for many years, whether you're on Armour or Synthroid. It's > called " titration " I believe. The purpose of that is to see that you > get enough medication to treat hypothyroidism without pushing you over > the line into hyperthyroidism. It varies from person to person. > > ------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2008 Report Share Posted April 11, 2008 you may have higher testosterone levels, I would check them out. also, excessive facial hair can be genetic and run in families. laser therapy does work to eliminate facial hair. I have used it on my derm patients. nancie From: le Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 7:46 PM hypothyroidism Subject: RE: Re: Hair loss Hum, True, however, I started having it as a teen. Dusty <dusty@...> wrote: Don't forget that facial hair comes with age for women - as their hormones change in perimenopause and menopause. Dusty Re: Re: Hair loss Jumping back in here...I am going with adrenal issues. I have had facial hair with no ability to chalk it up to PCOS (never qualified for that diagnosis, thankfully). I thought I read somewhere adrenal issues or cortisol too high or too low can be a cause of hirsutism?? My gut says the dose is close to right but my body is not getting the full benefits because I have most likely Hashi's and being so poorly and late in life diagnosed, adrenal issues. I will see tomorrow how this plays out. Laundry list of labs to demand would be appreciated! Dani Gracia <circe@... <mailto:circe%40gwi.net> > wrote: OK but I think you actually have some other issues, like low adrenals and iodine deficiency. if that is true you will see other probs from not enough Armour. Gracia Gracia, Do you remember when and I were going back and forth with posts regarding hair loss? We were both experiencing hair loss and I believe she found out that too much can give hair loss. The doctor I was seeing at the time which several of you questioned his actions about dosage, told me it was from not enough meds. Well, I am seeing a different doctor now and I have reduced my Armour to 2 grains 4 days and 3 grains 3 days a week ( I know you do not understand slitting like this but because I am SO sensitive to drugs this is what is working for me) Anyway, since I have reduced the Armour, I do not have half the hair loss I was experiencing. I was taking 3 grains 4 days a week and 2 1/2 grains 3 days a week. Just letting you know what I have experienced since lowering my dose. Venizia Recent Activity a.. 12New Members Visit Your Group Meditation and Lovingkindness A Group to share and learn. Health Achy Joint? Common arthritis myths debunked. Biz Resources Y! Small Business Articles, tools, forms, and more. .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2008 Report Share Posted April 11, 2008 Thank you! I had testosterone drawn today. I did find out that my TSH came back .070 and F T4 came back .51! Not sure what to make of this. nancie barnett <deifspirit@...> wrote: you may have higher testosterone levels, I would check them out. also, excessive facial hair can be genetic and run in families. laser therapy does work to eliminate facial hair. I have used it on my derm patients. nancie From: le Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 7:46 PM hypothyroidism Subject: RE: Re: Hair loss Hum, True, however, I started having it as a teen. Dusty <dusty@...> wrote: Don't forget that facial hair comes with age for women - as their hormones change in perimenopause and menopause. Dusty Re: Re: Hair loss Jumping back in here...I am going with adrenal issues. I have had facial hair with no ability to chalk it up to PCOS (never qualified for that diagnosis, thankfully). I thought I read somewhere adrenal issues or cortisol too high or too low can be a cause of hirsutism?? My gut says the dose is close to right but my body is not getting the full benefits because I have most likely Hashi's and being so poorly and late in life diagnosed, adrenal issues. I will see tomorrow how this plays out. Laundry list of labs to demand would be appreciated! Dani Gracia <circe@... <mailto:circe%40gwi.net> > wrote: OK but I think you actually have some other issues, like low adrenals and iodine deficiency. if that is true you will see other probs from not enough Armour. Gracia Gracia, Do you remember when and I were going back and forth with posts regarding hair loss? We were both experiencing hair loss and I believe she found out that too much can give hair loss. The doctor I was seeing at the time which several of you questioned his actions about dosage, told me it was from not enough meds. Well, I am seeing a different doctor now and I have reduced my Armour to 2 grains 4 days and 3 grains 3 days a week ( I know you do not understand slitting like this but because I am SO sensitive to drugs this is what is working for me) Anyway, since I have reduced the Armour, I do not have half the hair loss I was experiencing. I was taking 3 grains 4 days a week and 2 1/2 grains 3 days a week. Just letting you know what I have experienced since lowering my dose. Venizia Recent Activity a.. 12New Members Visit Your Group Meditation and Lovingkindness A Group to share and learn. Health Achy Joint? Common arthritis myths debunked. Biz Resources Y! Small Business Articles, tools, forms, and more. .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2008 Report Share Posted April 11, 2008 Synthroid has to be titrated; as I pointed out [see below]. And I quite agree that Armour is not scary; I would have no objection to taking it if I saw any probably benefit. What IS scary to me is that a lot of people who do not seem to do well on Synthroid [and thus go to Armour] also seem to often have a plethora of problems in getting proper care for the symptoms that they associate with hypothyroidism. It really seems to me that their problem is/are sometimes something more than hypothyroidism; and the total cause seems indeterminate. What makes it even more difficult is that many if not most hormones interact, so it is difficult or impossible to determine the root cause [or causes] of the problems. One thing I MOL strongly suspect [but cannot prove] is that often the lack of proper treatment in the early stages of hypothyroidism may lead to damages to the system which means that standard treatment may be less effective or not effective at all for relief of symptoms and quality of life. There seems to me to be anecdotal evidence that where this happens then the standard for treatment of hypothyroidism [which is TSH levels within accepted norms] is no longer a sufficient measure for a lot of people. Thus we find people swearing that they cannot feel well until TSH is almost down to zero; which technically I guess makes they hyperthyroid. Gracia's solution is simple: 6600% of the possible toxic level of iodine per day; adrenal support; plus DHEA [or whatever]. Seems to work for her but I remain unconvinced that is a typical response to that level and kind of chemicals into the typical body. To Chuck: From the scientific viewpoint my speculation amounts to somewhat less than a solid hypothesis; but I'd be interested if you see where any of my reasoning is invalid, or ruled out by peer reviewed research or literature. > > Re: Hair loss > <hypothyroidism/message/37526;_ylc=X3oDMTJxbWE3Nmw\ 3BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE0NTY2NARncnBzcElkAzE3MDkyNTEwODIEbXNnSWQDMzc1MjYEc2V\ jA2Rtc2cEc2xrA3Ztc2cEc3RpbWUDMTIwNzkxMzc5MQ--> > > > > Posted by: " Crystal " sweetnwright@... > <mailto:sweetnwright@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Hair%20loss> > sweetenloe1 <sweetenloe1> > > > Thu Apr 10, 2008 9:37 pm (PDT) > > Synthroid has to be titrated too. No matter what, if your replacing lost > hormone you have to find out how much was lost so you can replace it. I > take Armour and do not use iodine or cortisol. Plenty of people withOUT > thyroid problems can have adrenal issues. Armour has nothing to do with > having to increase over and over or taking supplements. Armour is NOT > scary! > cw > > -- Re: Hair loss > > Synthroid is well accepted and works well for most people. I have no > problem with it whatsoever; nor does Chuck AFAIK. Armour or some other > medication with T3 would be preferred for anyone who has a T4 to T3 > conversion problem; as well as a small percentage of others who do not > do well with Synthroid. On this list that percentage is obviously much > higher. > > Starting low and increasing the dosage slowly has been the standard > procedure for many years, whether you're on Armour or Synthroid. It's > called " titration " I believe. The purpose of that is to see that you > get enough medication to treat hypothyroidism without pushing you over > the line into hyperthyroidism. It varies from person to person. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2008 Report Share Posted April 11, 2008 I think Chuck had said in order to get peer reviewed the literature had to go through a presentation and process. I believe that this lengthy process would discourage many from embarking upon this endeavor. I think your analysis is pretty spot on, but I'd like to add something to the mix. It is my observation over the years that women don't get treated with the same respect and care that men do, and that because of this, many things that women bring up to their doctors are not even dealt with at all, let alone seriously pursued. I feel that this has much to do with the multiple symptoms hypothyroid women report, compared to men. Roni <res075oh@...> wrote: Synthroid has to be titrated; as I pointed out [see below]. And I quite agree that Armour is not scary; I would have no objection to taking it if I saw any probably benefit. What IS scary to me is that a lot of people who do not seem to do well on Synthroid [and thus go to Armour] also seem to often have a plethora of problems in getting proper care for the symptoms that they associate with hypothyroidism. It really seems to me that their problem is/are sometimes something more than hypothyroidism; and the total cause seems indeterminate. What makes it even more difficult is that many if not most hormones interact, so it is difficult or impossible to determine the root cause [or causes] of the problems. One thing I MOL strongly suspect [but cannot prove] is that often the lack of proper treatment in the early stages of hypothyroidism may lead to damages to the system which means that standard treatment may be less effective or not effective at all for relief of symptoms and quality of life. There seems to me to be anecdotal evidence that where this happens then the standard for treatment of hypothyroidism [which is TSH levels within accepted norms] is no longer a sufficient measure for a lot of people. Thus we find people swearing that they cannot feel well until TSH is almost down to zero; which technically I guess makes they hyperthyroid. Gracia's solution is simple: 6600% of the possible toxic level of iodine per day; adrenal support; plus DHEA [or whatever]. Seems to work for her but I remain unconvinced that is a typical response to that level and kind of chemicals into the typical body. To Chuck: From the scientific viewpoint my speculation amounts to somewhat less than a solid hypothesis; but I'd be interested if you see where any of my reasoning is invalid, or ruled out by peer reviewed research or literature. > > Re: Hair loss > > > > > Posted by: " Crystal " sweetnwright@... > > sweetenloe1 > > > Thu Apr 10, 2008 9:37 pm (PDT) > > Synthroid has to be titrated too. No matter what, if your replacing lost > hormone you have to find out how much was lost so you can replace it. I > take Armour and do not use iodine or cortisol. Plenty of people withOUT > thyroid problems can have adrenal issues. Armour has nothing to do with > having to increase over and over or taking supplements. Armour is NOT > scary! > cw > > -- Re: Hair loss > > Synthroid is well accepted and works well for most people. I have no > problem with it whatsoever; nor does Chuck AFAIK. Armour or some other > medication with T3 would be preferred for anyone who has a T4 to T3 > conversion problem; as well as a small percentage of others who do not > do well with Synthroid. On this list that percentage is obviously much > higher. > > Starting low and increasing the dosage slowly has been the standard > procedure for many years, whether you're on Armour or Synthroid. It's > called " titration " I believe. The purpose of that is to see that you > get enough medication to treat hypothyroidism without pushing you over > the line into hyperthyroidism. It varies from person to person. > > ------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2008 Report Share Posted April 11, 2008 , You wrote: > ...One thing I MOL strongly > suspect [but cannot prove] is that often the lack of proper treatment in > the early stages of hypothyroidism may lead to damages to the system > which means that standard treatment may be less effective or not > effective at all for relief of symptoms and quality of life. ... > Thus we find people swearing that they cannot feel well until TSH is > almost down to zero; which technically I guess makes they hyperthyroid. > > To Chuck: From the scientific viewpoint my speculation amounts to > somewhat less than a solid hypothesis; but I'd be interested if you see > where any of my reasoning is invalid, or ruled out by peer reviewed > research or literature. My own doctor agrees with you, at least partly. He says when there is long term damage, the TSH refuses go down, even with very large doses. My impression is that people that only feel well with a TSH below 0.3 are always on a T3 medication, which causes the pituitary to shut off due to the repeated spike in T3 levels. Whether that can be harmful has not be proven. However, if TSH is pushed below range by T4 medication, that HAS been demonstrated to change both the heart and bones adversely. Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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