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Chuck,

I found what you said about too the T3 medication shutting of the pituatary

very interesting. My TSH is always around .03, regardless of the amount of

thryoid medication I am on. My endo believes my pituatary is damaged. problably

from a car crash I was involved in. I developed thyroid issues a year or two

after the crash. However, I was given T3 (cytomel) a few months after I was

diagnosed up to now (I'm on Armour).

So my questions is .... is there any way to tell if your pituatary is

malfunctioning from T3 rather than just damaged from something else (car crash).

Blood tests maybe? My T3 is always in normal range, however I don't take my

thryoid meds until after the tests. Is it the unsteady levels of T3 that causes

the damage or the amount of T3? I have never had any hyper symptoms, I'm

usually always feeling on the hyo side. So if T3 is a problem, would you have

hyper symptoms?

I greatly appreciate any info you have. thanks!

Chuck B <gumboyaya@...> wrote:

,

You wrote:

> ...One thing I MOL strongly

> suspect [but cannot prove] is that often the lack of proper treatment in

> the early stages of hypothyroidism may lead to damages to the system

> which means that standard treatment may be less effective or not

> effective at all for relief of symptoms and quality of life. ...

> Thus we find people swearing that they cannot feel well until TSH is

> almost down to zero; which technically I guess makes they hyperthyroid.

>

> To Chuck: From the scientific viewpoint my speculation amounts to

> somewhat less than a solid hypothesis; but I'd be interested if you see

> where any of my reasoning is invalid, or ruled out by peer reviewed

> research or literature.

My own doctor agrees with you, at least partly. He says when there is

long term damage, the TSH refuses go down, even with very large doses.

My impression is that people that only feel well with a TSH below 0.3

are always on a T3 medication, which causes the pituitary to shut off

due to the repeated spike in T3 levels. Whether that can be harmful has

not be proven. However, if TSH is pushed below range by T4 medication,

that HAS been demonstrated to change both the heart and bones adversely.

Chuck

[Guest guest]

well, based on the FT4 results, it looks like you need more thyroid med. I

wouldn't worry about the TSH. what are your other labs?

From: le

Sent: Friday, April 11, 2008 2:21 PM

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Subject: Re: Re: Hair loss

Thank you! I had testosterone drawn today.

I did find out that my TSH came back .070 and F T4 came back .51!

Not sure what to make of this.

nancie barnett <deifspirit@...> wrote:

you may have higher testosterone levels, I would check them out. also, excessive

facial hair can be genetic and run in families.

laser therapy does work to eliminate facial hair. I have used it on my derm

patients.

nancie

From: le

Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 7:46 PM

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Subject: RE: Re: Hair loss

Hum, True, however, I started having it as a teen.

Dusty <dusty@...> wrote: Don't forget that facial hair comes

with age for women - as their hormones

change in perimenopause and menopause.

Dusty

Re: Re: Hair loss

Jumping back in here...I am going with adrenal issues. I have had facial

hair with no ability to chalk it up to PCOS (never qualified for that

diagnosis, thankfully). I thought I read somewhere adrenal issues or

cortisol too high or too low can be a cause of hirsutism?? My gut says the

dose is close to right but my body is not getting the full benefits because

I have most likely Hashi's and being so poorly and late in life diagnosed,

adrenal issues. I will see tomorrow how this plays out. Laundry list of labs

to demand would be appreciated!

Dani

Gracia <circe@... <mailto:circe%40gwi.net> > wrote:

OK but I think you actually have some other issues, like low adrenals and

iodine deficiency. if that is true you will see other probs from not enough

Armour.

Gracia

Gracia,

Do you remember when and I were going back and forth with

posts regarding hair loss? We were both experiencing hair loss and I

believe she found out that too much can give hair loss. The doctor I

was seeing at the time which several of you questioned his actions

about dosage, told me it was from not enough meds. Well, I am seeing

a different doctor now and I have reduced my Armour to 2 grains 4 days

and 3 grains 3 days a week ( I know you do not understand slitting

like this but because I am SO sensitive to drugs this is what is

working for me) Anyway, since I have reduced the Armour, I do not have

half the hair loss I was experiencing. I was taking 3 grains 4 days a

week and 2 1/2 grains 3 days a week. Just letting you know what I

have experienced since lowering my dose.

Venizia

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any thyroid hormone medication has to be titrated. because too mush too quickly

can kill you.

From: Crystal

Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 9:37 PM

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Subject: RE: Re: Hair loss

Synthroid has to be titrated too. No matter what, if your replacing lost

hormone you have to find out how much was lost so you can replace it. I

take Armour and do not use iodine or cortisol. Plenty of people withOUT

thyroid problems can have adrenal issues. Armour has nothing to do with

having to increase over and over or taking supplements. Armour is NOT

scary!

cw

-- Re: Hair loss

Synthroid is well accepted and works well for most people. I have no

problem with it whatsoever; nor does Chuck AFAIK. Armour or some other

medication with T3 would be preferred for anyone who has a T4 to T3

conversion problem; as well as a small percentage of others who do not

do well with Synthroid. On this list that percentage is obviously much

higher.

Starting low and increasing the dosage slowly has been the standard

procedure for many years, whether you're on Armour or Synthroid. It's

called " titration " I believe. The purpose of that is to see that you

get enough medication to treat hypothyroidism without pushing you over

the line into hyperthyroidism. It varies from person to person.

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>

> I am going to beg for Armour. I am not about to try Synthroid and all

> the other junk. My friend was on synthroid and it had to be increased

> over and over. Then eventually didnt work. So good luck. I hope your

> doctor tries Armour.

>

> le <danosova (DOT) <mailto:danosova%40> com

<mailto:danosova%40>> wrote:

> - Thanks!

>

> I go in on Friday! I am staying away from the hairbrush as much as

> possible. Too frustrating to see all the hair left behind in the brush.

>

> Could this have anything to do with my body not absorbing the Armour

> well? I tried asking my doctor about this but wasn't entirely sure

> what to BEG for at this point!

>

> Dani

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actually the missing link is iodine! high dose iodine is one thing that will

cause a temporary increase in TSH. I actually ASKED my doc for a TSH test

when I started iodine but she didn't order one. I was just curious.

Gracia

,

You wrote:

> ...One thing I MOL strongly

> suspect [but cannot prove] is that often the lack of proper treatment in

> the early stages of hypothyroidism may lead to damages to the system

> which means that standard treatment may be less effective or not

> effective at all for relief of symptoms and quality of life. ...

> Thus we find people swearing that they cannot feel well until TSH is

> almost down to zero; which technically I guess makes they hyperthyroid.

>

> To Chuck: From the scientific viewpoint my speculation amounts to

> somewhat less than a solid hypothesis; but I'd be interested if you see

> where any of my reasoning is invalid, or ruled out by peer reviewed

> research or literature.

My own doctor agrees with you, at least partly. He says when there is

long term damage, the TSH refuses go down, even with very large doses.

My impression is that people that only feel well with a TSH below 0.3

are always on a T3 medication, which causes the pituitary to shut off

due to the repeated spike in T3 levels. Whether that can be harmful has

not be proven. However, if TSH is pushed below range by T4 medication,

that HAS been demonstrated to change both the heart and bones adversely.

Chuck

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Dr. Derry used to START his patients on 180mg and go up from there.

Gracia

any thyroid hormone medication has to be titrated. because too mush too

quickly can kill you.

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well, then he practiced malpractice and it was lucky he wasn't sued and had

license revoked. because if he started my family members on that dose, I would

have sued him and reported him to the medical board.

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You wrote:

>

> So my questions is .... is there any way to tell if your pituatary is

> malfunctioning from T3 rather than just damaged from something else (car

> crash)....

Yes, and that is the specialty of endocrinology. However, T3 does not

permanently damage the pituitary. It just shifts the " set point " to a

lower range than the corresponding T4 dosage to achieve a euthyroid

state. If you are taking Armour, then going to a TSH of 0.03 sounds

rather familiar, based on this list. Most doctors prescribing T4 meds

would probably insist on lowering your dosage.

Chuck

[Guest guest]

Thanks Chuck, I appreciate the info!

[Guest guest]

hi Venizia

I guess I consider your Armour dose too low, and the fact that you alternate

the doses makes me think you need adrenal support. I think everyone needs high

dose iodine but I understand that most ppl are skeptical. I have found Iodoral

to be powerful medicine and other ppl who have tried it at the right dose think

so too.

Gracia

Gracia,

Why do you think I have adrenal issues and iodine deficiency? I also

was experiencing times of being too warm and actually sweating in the

middle of winter. That is also gone since I lowered the armour. Just

curious as to why you suggest adrenal and iodine deficiency in my

case. I have to day I am feeling much better now all the way around.

Oh ya, it's snowing here again this morning.....enough is enough!!!

Venizia

>

>

> OK but I think you actually have some other issues, like low

adrenals and iodine deficiency. if that is true you will see other

probs from not enough Armour.

> Gracia

>

> Gracia,

>

> Do you remember when and I were going back and forth with

> posts regarding hair loss? We were both experiencing hair loss and I

> believe she found out that too much can give hair loss. The doctor I

> was seeing at the time which several of you questioned his actions

> about dosage, told me it was from not enough meds. Well, I am seeing

> a different doctor now and I have reduced my Armour to 2 grains 4 days

> and 3 grains 3 days a week ( I know you do not understand slitting

> like this but because I am SO sensitive to drugs this is what is

> working for me) Anyway, since I have reduced the Armour, I do not have

> half the hair loss I was experiencing. I was taking 3 grains 4 days a

> week and 2 1/2 grains 3 days a week. Just letting you know what I

> have experienced since lowering my dose.

>

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Are you sure you're taking EXACTLY the supplements that Bee recommends

and nothing extra??? When I did a candida diet back in 2001, I was

taking every supplment that you can imagine, which was recommended by

Dr. Colbert. I was doing the psyllium shakes, 5 different antifungals,

etc... etc... More than several hundred dollars per month. I lost

down to 123 pounds and began losing hair for the first time in my

life. I was taking too much stuff, I guess! That was about 4-5 months

into the diet. When I quit the diet, the hair quit falling out. But

it really wasn't the diet... it was something about all the supplments

I was taking!

One thing I like about Bee's program is there aren't that many

supplments at all, and most of them are just vitamins! Perhaps one of

your supplements is the culprit. If you list each supplement and the

brand, perhaps someone here can figure out your problem.

Also, how old are you? And does your father or grandfather have male-

pattern baldness? That's another possiblility... that it's " just your

time. "

Doug

>

> Hi ive been following this program very strictly for over 6 months.

> Ive noticed recently i havent changed anything for over 4 months.

> meaning same vitamins same diet same amount of anti fungals and

> coconut oil etc.

> The last month ive been losing alot of hair and im going bald at a

> very fast rate. How do i stop this?

> what is causing this? Ive had candida for a good 20 years but never

> had hair loss so I figure it cant be retracing symptoms can it?

> Any help would be greatly appreciated

>

>

> Thanks in advance

>

>

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Doug,

Your hormones can cuase you to loose your hair!! If a person has toxins, this

will cause their hormones to be out of whack.

When I was mercury toxic, I lost hand fulls of hair at a time. It took my body

a year to build back up and thank god it stopped.

Doug <organizer777@...> wrote:

Are you sure you're taking EXACTLY the supplements that Bee recommends

and nothing extra??? When I did a candida diet back in 2001, I was

taking every supplment that you can imagine, which was recommended by

Dr. Colbert. I was doing the psyllium shakes, 5 different antifungals,

etc... etc... More than several hundred dollars per month. I lost

down to 123 pounds and began losing hair for the first time in my

life. I was taking too much stuff, I guess! That was about 4-5 months

into the diet. When I quit the diet, the hair quit falling out. But

it really wasn't the diet... it was something about all the supplments

I was taking!

One thing I like about Bee's program is there aren't that many

supplments at all, and most of them are just vitamins! Perhaps one of

your supplements is the culprit. If you list each supplement and the

brand, perhaps someone here can figure out your problem.

Also, how old are you? And does your father or grandfather have male-

pattern baldness? That's another possiblility... that it's " just your

time. "

Doug

>

> Hi ive been following this program very strictly for over 6 months.

> Ive noticed recently i havent changed anything for over 4 months.

> meaning same vitamins same diet same amount of anti fungals and

> coconut oil etc.

> The last month ive been losing alot of hair and im going bald at a

> very fast rate. How do i stop this?

> what is causing this? Ive had candida for a good 20 years but never

> had hair loss so I figure it cant be retracing symptoms can it?

> Any help would be greatly appreciated

>

>

> Thanks in advance

>

>

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im 30 and no it doesnt run in the family

maybe bee can shed some new light

> >

> > Hi ive been following this program very strictly for over 6 months.

> > Ive noticed recently i havent changed anything for over 4 months.

> > meaning same vitamins same diet same amount of anti fungals and

> > coconut oil etc.

> > The last month ive been losing alot of hair and im going bald at a

> > very fast rate. How do i stop this?

> > what is causing this? Ive had candida for a good 20 years but never

> > had hair loss so I figure it cant be retracing symptoms can it?

> > Any help would be greatly appreciated

> >

> >

> > Thanks in advance

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Treva Shay Spence

>

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[Guest guest]

Hello,

I've also been experiencing a similar problem. It isn't so much hair

loss, but I've noticed that my hair has become very thin on my feet,

legs, arms, and especially on my hands.

The hair on my arms and hands seems to be very fragile now and breaks

sort of easily, so it looks like I have lots of broken hairs. I've

been monitoring an area on the side of my hands, and I noticed that

for some time the hair was essentially not growing any longer. This

concerns me from a thyroid & overall hormone perspective.

I've recently greatly increased my good sea salt intake and also added

Concentrace minerals and increased levels of vitamin C and it seems

like some of the hair is coming back, but it is very slowly and not

drastic. At the least it seems like the loss has subsided, so that is

a good thing.

I am making sure to get adequate amounts of celtic sea salt and my

concentrace minerals everyday to ensure I'm getting enough iodine. I'm

not sure if this is the main culprit or not, but I would benefit from

Bee's recommendations/feedback.

Thanks,

> >

> >

> > >

> > > Hi ive been following this program very strictly for over 6 months.

> > > Ive noticed recently i havent changed anything for over 4 months.

> > > meaning same vitamins same diet same amount of anti fungals and

> > > coconut oil etc.

> > > The last month ive been losing alot of hair and im going bald at a

> > > very fast rate. How do i stop this?

> > > what is causing this? Ive had candida for a good 20 years but never

> > > had hair loss so I figure it cant be retracing symptoms can it?

> > > Any help would be greatly appreciated

[Guest guest]

>

> im 30 and no it doesnt run in the family

> maybe bee can shed some new light

==>Hi . Over the years I've seen many people on this group who

have had their hair loss stop. My own hair was coming out in large

clumps, but it stopped as I progress on my candida over 20 years ago.

Unfortunately there are no quick fixes. It is a very common side

effect of candida and even other illnesses.

Cheers, Bee

[Guest guest]

>

> Hello,

>

> I've also been experiencing a similar problem. It isn't so much hair

> loss, but I've noticed that my hair has become very thin on my feet,

> legs, arms, and especially on my hands.

>

> The hair on my arms and hands seems to be very fragile now and

breaks

> sort of easily, so it looks like I have lots of broken hairs. I've

> been monitoring an area on the side of my hands, and I noticed that

> for some time the hair was essentially not growing any longer. This

> concerns me from a thyroid & overall hormone perspective.

>

> I've recently greatly increased my good sea salt intake and also

added

> Concentrace minerals and increased levels of vitamin C and it seems

> like some of the hair is coming back, but it is very slowly and not

> drastic. At the least it seems like the loss has subsided, so that

is

> a good thing.

>

> I am making sure to get adequate amounts of celtic sea salt and my

> concentrace minerals everyday to ensure I'm getting enough iodine.

I'm

> not sure if this is the main culprit or not, but I would benefit

from

> Bee's recommendations/feedback.

==>Hi . Celtic sea salt contains iodine for sure. I contacted

the Grain & Salt Society a few years ago and got the detailed

laboratory analysis of it. You body only requires " trace amounts " of

iodine, so if you are experiencing thyroid malfunction symptoms it is

mainly caused by candida toxins making all of the body's cell

membranes rigid/stiff, as well as other toxins being released during

healing/detoxification, i.e. anesthetics, drugs, etc.

Bee

[Guest guest]

> >

> > I am making sure to get adequate amounts of celtic sea salt and my

> > concentrace minerals everyday to ensure I'm getting enough iodine.

Hi, . I talked to the Grain & Salt Society today to ask about

the iodine in Celtic Salt. I was told there is no iodine in Celtic

Salt. It is " trace amounts " which I was told was too small to be

measurable, less than .0002 micrograms per serving. Concentrace does

not contain iodine either.

Bee, because of my recent thryroid test results and in case anyone on

the program is pregnant, could you tell us some foods that we could

have that contain iodine? I personally would like to have iodine in my

diet. Joanna

>

[Guest guest]

>

> I personally would like to have iodine in my diet.

The coconut oil is so high in iodine I have to watch my intake carefully to not

get too much of

it.

[Guest guest]

How much iodine is in coconut oil?

Thanks,

Irene

At 05:08 PM 4/21/2008, you wrote:

>

> >

>

> > I personally would like to have iodine in my diet.

>

>The coconut oil is so high in iodine I have to watch my intake carefully

>to not get too much of

>it.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

>

> How much iodine is in coconut oil?

> Thanks,

> Irene

>

, when I checked a nutrient analysis of coconut oil it had no

iodine. You don't mean the iodine value test, do you? I would love to

know the source for this too. Thanks! Joanna

>

[Guest guest]

>

>

> > >

> > > I am making sure to get adequate amounts of celtic sea salt and

my

> > > concentrace minerals everyday to ensure I'm getting enough

iodine.

>

> Hi, . I talked to the Grain & Salt Society today to ask

about

> the iodine in Celtic Salt. I was told there is no iodine in Celtic

> Salt. It is " trace amounts " which I was told was too small to be

> measurable, less than .0002 micrograms per serving. Concentrace

does

> not contain iodine either.

>

> Bee, because of my recent thryroid test results and in case

anyone on

> the program is pregnant, could you tell us some foods that we could

> have that contain iodine? I personally would like to have iodine

in my

> diet.

==>Joanna, your body only requires " trace amounts " of iodine, and you

also get it from foods like eggs. Trace amounts are minute amounts

and that is the same for the other 80 some minerals found in Celtic

Sea Salt.

Also look up on the internet what other foods contain iodine if you

wish. If people on this program were not getting trace amounts of

iodine I'm sure they wouldn't be improving their health.

Bee

[Guest guest]

>

> ==>Hi . Over the years I've seen many people on this group who

> have had their hair loss stop.

On a hopeful note I can say that after 9 months on this diet my severe hair loss

had been

reduced.

[Guest guest]

>

> Im really sorry for all of these posts, I am so new to this...

>

> My hair has been falling out for about 7 years now... i mean, i would

> be able to make a barbie doll w/ the amount of hair i lose every time

i

> shower. thankfully i have a HUGE head of hair. Is this a side effect

of

> candida? i am 29 and way too young to be losing my hair like this.

> please let me know, and let me know if anyone else had that issue and

> if it went away after treatment. thank you!

==>Hi. Yes hair loss is one of the symptoms caused by candida. Please

search our messages since hair loss has been discussed numerous times.

As you progress on this program your hair loss will be less and less.

I lost hugh clumps at a time too, but it stopped about 1 1/2 years into

my candida program 20 years ago.

The best, Bee

[Guest guest]

>

> Im really sorry for all of these posts, I am so new to this...

>

> My hair has been falling out for about 7 years now... i mean, i

would

> be able to make a barbie doll w/ the amount of hair i lose every

time i

> shower. thankfully i have a HUGE head of hair. Is this a side

effect of

> candida? i am 29 and way too young to be losing my hair like this.

> please let me know, and let me know if anyone else had that issue

and

> if it went away after treatment. thank you!

----Hi. I too was losing hair. Then after about 4-6 weeks on the

program...the loss stopped. However, after about 4-6 weeks

of " falling off the bandwagon " I have noticed the hair loss again.

Everyone is different, so I am interested to see what happens as I

start taking care of myself again.

Amy

[Guest guest]

>

> Hello,

>

> I have been experiencing hair loss for nearly a year now and am

wondering if this has anything to do with yeast overgrowth. I first

noticed it after being on very strong antiobiotics for 2 weeks in a

row and was diagnosed with cyclical hairloss by my dermatoligist. I

was also on antibiotics several times last year for recurring UTI's

and have recurring yeast infections. He said that it would stop

shedding after a few months, but it continues to fall out and has

grown quite thin. I also notice a strange smell on my scalp,

experience night sweats and have a weird odor on my skin.

>

>

> My mom went on a yeast diet once and was told to take 50 mg of

Diflucan once a day for a month to help clear it up. Would you

recommend this?

Hi Hallie. Welcome to our group. Yes, hair loss is caused by

candida. It is mainly because the toxins candida produces causes all

cell membranes to become rigid/stiff so this affects the scalp and

and hair too. In addition it interferes with the functioning off all

organs, and a low thyroid function will cause hair loss. When the

cell membranes are stiff they also aren't as able to take in

hormones, nutrients, water, etc. - to understand more read " Candida

Causes Cell Membrane Defects " on my website:

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/cabout1.php

No, please do not take Diflucan, which is an antifungal drug that is

toxic like all drugs, and it damages the liver. Natural antifungals

are much more effective and non-toxic; I recommend coconut oil,

garlic, oil of oregano or clove oil.

Candida is not cured by killing it off. It doesn't work that way.

The only way is to build up the immune system with diet and

supplements. Please read my article " How to Successfully Overcome

Candida " so you understand the basis of this group and the program

members are following:

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/candida/index.php

Also read " Curing Candida, How to Get Started " :

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/intro1.php

The best to you,

Bee

[Guest guest]

I am also losing my hair.

Beth

[ ] Hair loss

Hi Bee and everyone

Just wondering if anyone else is experiencing hair loss on this program? I'm

losing quite a bit of hair and I'm getting concerned as I have very thin hair to

begin with. Maybe it's my thyroid problem as that can cause hair loss as well.

Maddy