Guest guest Posted September 1, 2008 Report Share Posted September 1, 2008 The description of these muscle spasms brings molybdenum to my mind. It's not exactly the same, but it is focused in the back. I read someone say of it "within days of taking 100mcg of Molybdenum 3 times a day, where I had experienced pain in my neck and shoulders, I felt warmth. A stiff back that felt like a wall of steel was transformed into copious sweat. My muscles relaxed and were pain free."Molybedenum keeps copper in check, and copper definitely causes spasms. Gail iodine From: craigster@...Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 18:10:42 -0700Subject: Re: Re: Muscle spasms Hi ,The thoughts always be welcome:)I haven't had a bit of spasms today, taking more Iodoral, though.I think I have come up with a better description for what I experience:Think of an accupuncturist putting needles where the muscles are at every intersection with your vertabrae (sp?) and then having them just light up in spasm...but only there (plus the neck and extending to the hips). No other muscles are involved in this...no arms, no leg, etc.FWIWThanks,Craigladybugsandbees wrote:>> Ok, just a thought. >> Re: Re: Muscle spasms>> > Hi ,> >> > I am taking Real Salt and have been for a long time...I am a salt> > person. I have ordered the Celtic Salt.> >>> Enter today! Win a Hotmail Go-Kart to race at Bathurst. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2008 Report Share Posted September 1, 2008 Hi Gail, Thanks for that, I will add it right away...they are very intense. Kind regards, Craig Gail wrote: > > The description of these muscle spasms brings molybdenum to my mind. > It's not exactly the same, but it is focused in the back. > > I read someone say of it " within days of taking 100mcg of Molybdenum 3 > times a day, where I had experienced pain in my neck and shoulders, I > felt warmth. A stiff back that felt like a wall of steel was > transformed into copious sweat. My muscles relaxed and were pain free. " > > Molybedenum keeps copper in check, and copper definitely causes spasms. > > Gail > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 2, 2008 Report Share Posted September 2, 2008 ... Just a thought, depending on your diet, stress level, your body can need extra magnesium. Remember, your body uses magnesium and calcium to help keep the blood at the proper ph as well as keeping your muscles and heart relaxed and healthy. If you had been outside and got hot and sweaty, you could have lost more potassium than you were replacing. Lorie > > From: ladybugsandbees <ladybugsandbees@...> > Subject: Re: Muscle spasms > iodine > Date: Monday, September 1, 2008, 7:09 PM > > > > > > > Sounds like you are having some good effects. Maybe the spasms are due to > low magnesium and potassium. > > Good luck with Dr. M > > Steph > > Muscle spasms > > > Greetings, > > > > During the past few days, I have been having muscle spasms which run up > > and down my spine, into hips and up into neck area. Also increased > > anxiety. I am taking 6mg of Valium a day (I am not changing this level > > until I get the hypothyroid under control...besides I have dropped from > > an equivalent level of 120mgs Valium/day to where I am now). > > > > Now these spasms are not new, I have had them for many years, off and > > on. They come on almost like a migraine (which I don't get)...can be > > triggered by bright lights, bright sun flashing between buildings, etc. > > > > Yesterday afternoon, I decided to take an additional Iodoral (I am > > taking 12.5mg 4 x day) because they have been calming...and the spasms > > didn't take off. That was nice. > > > > At 6:00am today, I woke with them starting up again, so I took an > > Iodoral and within 45 minutes they had quieted down and I went back to > > sleep. Took another Iodoral at 9:30am and then another at 1:00pm...and > > they are still not taking off...can feel them in a potential state, so > > to speak, but not going anywhere. > > > > Additionally, I am experiencing many aches, joints in particular.. .I > > understand this is a common symptom with hypothyroid. > > > > Finally, my question: It seems I need to be moving my dose up toward > > the 100mg/day range. I am not having any other detox symptoms and am > > still not taking any desicatted thyroid or adrenal. > > > > Stepanie, I haven't called Dr Meletis yet...will do tomorrow, end of > > last week was weirdly frantic. > > > > Regards, > > > > Craig > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 2, 2008 Report Share Posted September 2, 2008 As has been mentioned, it sounds like more potassium and magnesium will do the trick. Vj From: Nutter-Ali <kleeali@...>Subject: Muscle Spasmsiodine Date: Tuesday, September 2, 2008, 5:58 PM Muscle Spasms;I have found that even when I increase the Mag & Pot a bit, sometimes I still have problems with spasms. Very painful at times.I have come to believe that it occurs on particularly hot and/or very humid days, and I have lost quite a bit of fluid by perspiration. There have been days in which I have worn something made of dark fabric. When it dries, there will be a ring of sweat stain in which it looks like a rind of salt left behind. I know that I need to eat foods with a bit more magnesium and potassium as well. I hope that you will be able to resolve the problem. in WV___1a. Re: Muscle spasmsPosted by: " " victoriahjones victoriahjonesDate: Mon Sep 1, 2008 5:28 pm ((PDT))A week or so ago I had muscle spasms and didn't think of low potassium or magnesium as the cause because I've been taking them daily. Why would I have had the spasms for several days? I didn't have them before starting Iodine and magnesium and potassium, why now? Or more accurately, last week? Vj Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 2, 2008 Report Share Posted September 2, 2008 This does sound bizarre but it does help me with muscle spasms in my calves. I put a bar or two of ivory soap in the bed in a pillow case anywhere in the bed. It seems to work to end the muscle spasms in my calves. During the day, squeezing the folds between your nose and mouth snug for 30 seconds or so will take away muscle spasms in the calves. Have a migraine right now so hope this makes sense. Pam On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 3:58 PM, Nutter-Ali <kleeali@...> wrote: > Muscle Spasms > > ; > > I have found that even when I increase the Mag & Pot a bit, sometimes > I still have problems with spasms. Very painful at times. > > I have come to believe that it occurs on particularly hot and/or very > humid days, and I have lost quite a bit of fluid by perspiration. > There have been days in which I have worn something made of dark > fabric. When it dries, there will be a ring of sweat stain in which > it looks like a rind of salt left behind. I know that I need to eat > foods with a bit more magnesium and potassium as well. I hope that > you will be able to resolve the problem. > > in WV > > ___ > 1a. Re: Muscle spasms > Posted by: " " victoriahjones@... > victoriahjones > Date: Mon Sep 1, 2008 5:28 pm ((PDT)) > > A week or so ago I had muscle spasms and didn't think of low > potassium or magnesium as the cause because I've been taking them > daily. Why would I have had the spasms for several days? I didn't > have them before starting Iodine and magnesium and potassium, why > now? Or more accurately, last week? > > Vj > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 2, 2008 Report Share Posted September 2, 2008 I have had muscle spasms too over the last couple of years. I also took valium ,5mg as needed. I would go through periodds when I would need them for a few weeks then I wouldn't need them again for awhile . I have not had any muscle problems since I switched to armour (knock on wood) since june 12th ,so this would be the longest stretch of time I have ever gone without a valium. After the armour switch I added in the lugols solution. With that I have noticed a lessoning of my heart palps,and I swear it has helped my double vision tremendously. Oh no joint pains either. my cpk enzymes would be elevated after several of my episodes of the muscle spasms. when I was sent for an emg/nerve study,everything was normal. The endo still would not say that the muscle problems were coming from the thyroid. So hows your thryoid???? kathy > > > Muscle Spasms > > > > ; > > > > I have found that even when I increase the Mag & Pot a bit, sometimes > > I still have problems with spasms. Very painful at times. > > > > I have come to believe that it occurs on particularly hot and/or very > > humid days, and I have lost quite a bit of fluid by perspiration. > > There have been days in which I have worn something made of dark > > fabric. When it dries, there will be a ring of sweat stain in which > > it looks like a rind of salt left behind. I know that I need to eat > > foods with a bit more magnesium and potassium as well. I hope that > > you will be able to resolve the problem. > > > > in WV > > > > ___ > > 1a. Re: Muscle spasms > > Posted by: " " victoriahjones@... > > victoriahjones > > Date: Mon Sep 1, 2008 5:28 pm ((PDT)) > > > > A week or so ago I had muscle spasms and didn't think of low > > potassium or magnesium as the cause because I've been taking them > > daily. Why would I have had the spasms for several days? I didn't > > have them before starting Iodine and magnesium and potassium, why > > now? Or more accurately, last week? > > > > Vj > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 2, 2008 Report Share Posted September 2, 2008 I was having some cramps in my legs and feet. I wasn't sure if potassium was helping or not. Since I increased my multi-mineral tabs I haven't had any. If it is true, as I read that hypothyropidism means calcium deficiency, I wonder if the extra Magnesium throws the minerals out of balance. I decided that if I was going to increase one I would increase all of them. Dorothy > This does sound bizarre but it does help me with muscle spasms in my > calves. I put a bar or two of ivory soap in the bed in a pillow case > anywhere in the bed. It seems to work to end the muscle spasms in my > calves. During the day, squeezing the folds between your nose and > mouth snug for 30 seconds or so will take away muscle spasms in the > calves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 2, 2008 Report Share Posted September 2, 2008 Hi Dorothy, I, too, am having really horrible muscle spasms, which I was just chalking up to having fibromyalgia. I was experimenting with different minerals as well. For awhile, potassium really helped, then seemed to worsen the problem. It was not till I realized that potassium acts in opposition to calcium, and that these 'spasms' were more like tetany, that I started taking just calcium. Bingo! I am a lot better right now. But, I am also hypothyroid (on Armour) but never came across any reference to hypothyroidism and calcium deficiency. Do you have any reference for this? Or a link? It wouldn't surprise me that it's already in every thyroid book and my eyes just glazed over it, but I'd love to see a citation, if you have one. Thanks, Sharon M >I was having some cramps in my legs and feet. I wasn't sure if > potassium was helping or not. Since I increased my multi-mineral tabs > I haven't had any. If it is true, as I read that hypothyropidism means > calcium deficiency, I wonder if the extra Magnesium throws the > minerals out of balance. I decided that if I was going to increase one > I would increase all of them. > > Dorothy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 2, 2008 Report Share Posted September 2, 2008 > It was not till I realized that potassium acts in opposition to calcium, and that these 'spasms' were more like tetany, that I started taking just calcium. > Bingo! So I just saw this quote- " > (Feb 2008) Dr. Guy Abraham cautions that " excess calcium supplementation > (2,000-3,000 md/day) has been the most common cause of poor response to > iodine supplementation. " Vitamin Research News Vol. 22. Number 2. " So I don't know where that leaves me on taking extra minerals. I found this - from http://www.psha-inc.com/guai-support/sf/TasteTests.htm " CALCIUM This is the only one of the 4 major cations I don't know a straightforward test for. Suspect a calcium deficiency if you have leg cramps or backache at night, if you get foot or toe cramps, if you have chemical allergies, if you are sensitive to electrical fields or have an adverse affect on electrical equipment, if your teeth take turns hurting but the dentist can't find anything wrong, if your joints seem unstable or loose and stretchy, if you get PMS, if you had stomach surgery, if you get gas, bloating, heartburn or indigestion. You can be taking a daily calcium supplement and STILL have calcium deficiency if you are deficient in magnesium, vitamin D, boron, or vitamin K. Many people don't absorb the carbonate form of calcium very well, and get better results with calcium citrate. The bit about balancing Ca and Mg is from here- http://www.ithyroid.com/ca_and_mg.htm Dorothy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 2, 2008 Report Share Posted September 2, 2008 Hi Dorothy, VERY interesting info! -----especially from the ithyroid page. It certainly does mess up the iodine supplementation if one also needs calcium.................... For the next few days I'm going to concentrate on the CA, simply because the relief of the constant spastic condition (but not cramps) in my leg muscles overrules benfits of anything else at the moment. It's funny because I don't match the description (below) of CA deficiency, but it's working where magnesium has not. Thanks so much for posting this! Sharon Re: Muscle Spasms > >> It was not till I realized that potassium acts in opposition to > calcium, and that these 'spasms' were more like tetany, that I started > taking just calcium. >> Bingo! > > So I just saw this quote- > " >> (Feb 2008) Dr. Guy Abraham cautions that " excess calcium supplementation >> (2,000-3,000 md/day) has been the most common cause of poor response to >> iodine supplementation. " Vitamin Research News Vol. 22. Number 2. " > > So I don't know where that leaves me on taking extra minerals. > > I found this - from http://www.psha-inc.com/guai-support/sf/TasteTests.htm > > " CALCIUM This is the only one of the 4 major cations I don't know a > straightforward test for. Suspect a calcium deficiency if you have > leg cramps or backache at night, if you get foot or toe cramps, if you > have chemical allergies, if you are sensitive to electrical fields or > have an adverse affect on electrical equipment, if your teeth take > turns hurting but the dentist can't find anything wrong, if your > joints seem unstable or loose and stretchy, if you get PMS, if you had > stomach surgery, if you get gas, bloating, heartburn or indigestion. > You can be taking a daily calcium supplement and STILL have calcium > deficiency if you are deficient in magnesium, vitamin D, boron, or > vitamin K. Many people don't absorb the carbonate form of calcium > very well, and get better results with calcium citrate. > > The bit about balancing Ca and Mg is from here- > http://www.ithyroid.com/ca_and_mg.htm > > Dorothy > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 2, 2008 Report Share Posted September 2, 2008 I guess the thing to do is not go overboard on calcium. Just take enough to not get cramps. Also, since it is magnesium that is antagonistic to potassium I just need to balance the Mg. with the potassium chloride. Dorothy > VERY interesting info! -----especially from the ithyroid page. > > It certainly does mess up the iodine supplementation if one also needs calcium.................... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 3, 2008 Report Share Posted September 3, 2008 Kathy, You are a good detective! My thyroid is low and with the guidance of the group recently switched to Armour 2 months ago. Still figuring out the dose. My temp is still 97.8 most of the time but I lost 5 1/2# last month so that was great! My temp used to be 95 so am warming up. My muscle spasms are likely from fibromyalgia as I was in worst 10% with 78 lumps on Dr. St. Amand's maps. A year later had 33 lumps by using guaifenesin and following the protocol carefully. With your symptoms, possibly looking at the symptoms lists in one of Dr. St. Amand books or on the website may see whether FM is possibility for you. I treated pain for over a decade before seeing a rheumatologist which actually was for Rheumatoid Arthritis pain in hands. I took minocin for 18 months and did several other healing things like coconut oil, bentonite and diet changes to rid my body of Rheumatoid Arthritis according to blood tests. I have been on iodoral and selenium since January and started with half pill and worked up to 3 pills in 2 months. Yesterday, I finally added ATP cofactors thanks to watching the Dr. Fletchas video that posted. I have really enjoyed learning from all of you on this website. Safe journeys, Pam in Oregon On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 6:19 PM, kathy <alikat709@...> wrote: > > I have had muscle spasms too over the last couple of years. I also > took valium ,5mg as needed. I would go through periodds when I would > need them for a few weeks then I wouldn't need them again for > awhile . I have not had any muscle problems since I switched to > armour (knock on wood) since june 12th ,so this would be the longest > stretch of time I have ever gone without a valium. After the armour > switch I added in the lugols solution. With that I have noticed a > lessoning of my heart palps,and I swear it has helped my double > vision tremendously. Oh no joint pains either. my cpk enzymes would > be elevated after several of my episodes of the muscle spasms. when I > was sent for an emg/nerve study,everything was normal. The endo > still would not say that the muscle problems were coming from the > thyroid. So hows your thryoid???? > kathy > >> >> > Muscle Spasms >> > >> > ; >> > >> > I have found that even when I increase the Mag & Pot a bit, > sometimes >> > I still have problems with spasms. Very painful at times. >> > >> > I have come to believe that it occurs on particularly hot and/or > very >> > humid days, and I have lost quite a bit of fluid by perspiration. >> > There have been days in which I have worn something made of dark >> > fabric. When it dries, there will be a ring of sweat stain in > which >> > it looks like a rind of salt left behind. I know that I need to > eat >> > foods with a bit more magnesium and potassium as well. I hope that >> > you will be able to resolve the problem. >> > >> > in WV >> > >> > ___ >> > 1a. Re: Muscle spasms >> > Posted by: " " victoriahjones@... >> > victoriahjones >> > Date: Mon Sep 1, 2008 5:28 pm ((PDT)) >> > >> > A week or so ago I had muscle spasms and didn't think of low >> > potassium or magnesium as the cause because I've been taking them >> > daily. Why would I have had the spasms for several days? I > didn't >> > have them before starting Iodine and magnesium and potassium, why >> > now? Or more accurately, last week? >> > >> > Vj >> > >> > >> > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 3, 2008 Report Share Posted September 3, 2008 Hi , Thanks for sharing. I'm reminded to take calcium--been focused on magnesium, sodium,. and potassium. Thanks, Vj From: <kleeali@...>Subject: Muscle Spasmsiodine Date: Wednesday, September 3, 2008, 9:59 PM ; I guess what I was trying to say, and didn¢t do it well was that you have to keep an eye on the weather when dealing with all these items. As I stated, I noticed that I tend to not be able to hang on to my magnesium, calcium, potassium when the weather is hotter. I dehydrate quickly, and have observed this in travels to more Southerly regions. That is when I have problems with the cramps. I do not take additional iodine for this, just increase the Mag and Cal . In addition, I work as a swimming instructor (I know that it is not the best environment) . Thus, I am in chlorinated water a lot more than most folks. The cramps tend to grab me more in the evenings of very hot days when I am teaching than in the morning when I am swimming for exercise. Everything all works together. I have been on some form of thyroid medication for almost 30 years. Both of my parents are hypothyroid, my maternal grandparents were as well, and a number of aunts and cousins are also dealing with the issue. Regards, in WV 1a. Re: Muscle spasms Posted by: " " victoriahjones victoriahjones Date: Mon Sep 1, 2008 5:28 pm ((PDT)) A week or so ago I had muscle spasms and didn't think of low potassium or magnesium as the cause because I've been taking them daily. Why would I have had the spasms for several days? I didn't have them before starting Iodine and magnesium and potassium, why now? Or more accurately, last week? Vj Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2008 Report Share Posted September 8, 2008 Pam have you tried the transdermal magnesium chloride from http://www.magnesiumforlife.com for headaches and muscle spasms? Gracia This does sound bizarre but it does help me with muscle spasms in mycalves. I put a bar or two of ivory soap in the bed in a pillow caseanywhere in the bed. It seems to work to end the muscle spasms in mycalves. During the day, squeezing the folds between your nose andmouth snug for 30 seconds or so will take away muscle spasms in thecalves.Have a migraine right now so hope this makes sense. Pam .. No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.17/1655 - Release Date: 9/5/2008 7:05 PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2008 Report Share Posted September 8, 2008 Gracia,That sounds interesting. I just ordered another source some magnesium in a liquid supplement for same reasons. When I work thru that I will keep this one in mind for next order. Thank you. Pam On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 6:36 AM, Gracia <circe@...> wrote: > > > Pam > have you tried the transdermal magnesium chloride from > http://www.magnesiumforlife.com for headaches and muscle spasms? > Gracia > > > > This does sound bizarre but it does help me with muscle spasms in my > calves. I put a bar or two of ivory soap in the bed in a pillow case > anywhere in the bed. It seems to work to end the muscle spasms in my > calves. During the day, squeezing the folds between your nose and > mouth snug for 30 seconds or so will take away muscle spasms in the > calves. > > Have a migraine right now so hope this makes sense. Pam > > . > > ________________________________ > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.17/1655 - Release Date: 9/5/2008 > 7:05 PM > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2009 Report Share Posted August 16, 2009 Great ideas...rather than drugs for muscle relaxing. One thing about magnesium & calcium is they should always be taken in a ratio of 1:1. They fight for the same receptors so take equal amounts in 2 or 3 split doses with meals. Susie > > Some people have talked about having muscle spasms after their TKR From another list where women were asking for help with muscle spasms. I haven't done these things but they sound like a good start; maybe something to try before going on to drugs for muscle relaxants. Jackie (1) TRy an extra 400mg of magnesium. It helps me for spasms and sleeping > better. > http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=nutrient & dbid=75 > Pat > > (2) try a banana a day or two and see if that works. > > Its what I do.... > > > (3) Why not just take pure calcium and magnesium? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2009 Report Share Posted August 16, 2009 I note that someone below here advises a banana or two as well. I suspect that's for potassium. Though a baked potato in its jacket has more potassium than bananas. I have to take magnesium/calcium/potassium supplements in order not to get muscle cramps. Gail > > > > Some people have talked about having muscle spasms after their TKR From another list where women were asking for help with muscle spasms. > I haven't done these things but they sound like a good start; maybe something to try before going on to drugs for muscle relaxants. > Jackie > (1) TRy an extra 400mg of magnesium. It helps me for spasms and sleeping > > better. > > http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=nutrient & dbid=75 > > Pat > > > > (2) try a banana a day or two and see if that works. > > > > Its what I do.... > > > > > > (3) Why not just take pure calcium and magnesium? > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2009 Report Share Posted August 17, 2009 Great ideas Jackie. I was one of those; horrible shin spasms (shin spints?) following PT, about a week-1/2 after surgery. Had to be prescribed muscle relaxants; should have done as you suggest. Sue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2010 Report Share Posted March 2, 2010 Yes it does. That is a huge concern with me seeing my father and he father both have had heart issues. My father had a triple bypass. I had several talks with my doctors over that issue to. Your not a lone with that feeling I am sure many others have the same concern. in Georgia  <FONT face= " comic sans ms " color=#ff0000 size=5> in Georgia </FONT><IMG src= " http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/tsmileys2/04.gif " > ________________________________ From: donnagaboury <donnagaboury@...> achalasia Sent: Tue, March 2, 2010 10:00:04 AM Subject: muscle spasms  I have had 2 dilatation balloon procedures for achalasia but I am still having very bad muscle spasms. I know everyone's symptoms are different but I just want to reassure myself that I am not have a heart attack. My spasms are intense, beginning with extreme pressure in the chest and continuing into the jaw and back. They seem to go away slowly with very hard gulps of liquid. Does this sound familiar to anyone? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2010 Report Share Posted March 2, 2010 If you look back at Message #57431 from yesterday, you'll find a link to another post that might be very helpful! > > I have had 2 dilatation balloon procedures for achalasia but I am still having very bad muscle spasms. I know everyone's symptoms are different but I just want to reassure myself that I am not have a heart attack. My spasms are intense, beginning with extreme pressure in the chest and continuing into the jaw and back. They seem to go away slowly with very hard gulps of liquid. Does this sound familiar to anyone? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2010 Report Share Posted March 2, 2010 This is a very good question that has come up many times in the past and will continue to as it is something that many of us have faced. Yesterday, while driving, the spasms came on all of a sudden with the pain ramping up quickly to " heart attack " intensity. The nifedipine I took immediately slowed it down, but then it came back with a vengeance, with greater intensity. My wife asked me how I could be so sure it was not a heart attack I was suffering from. As background, both her brother and father died very early from heart attacks, so she is kind of sensitive to these things. I told her " philosophically " that a person may not know except by hindsight. Also, a few minutes later I got my hands wrapped around a large cup of cold soda, and within seconds the pain was gone. It appears unlikely that a heart attack could be " cured " be a cup of soda. We all, hopefully, have our own way of dealing with the spasms. Some methods work for some people, but not for others. Nobody knows why this is. For people like Ray, myself and others, some kind of carbonated drink is like a lifesaver, and yet many of our people cannot tolerate this drink. Donna, I had the " extreme pressure "  that extended from the chest to the jaw and back you referred to, but I have been there so many times I just assume it is spasms. It can be frightening if there is uncertainty as to what the pain might be. ________________________________ From: donnagaboury <donnagaboury@...> achalasia Sent: Tue, March 2, 2010 10:00:04 AM Subject: muscle spasms  I have had 2 dilatation balloon procedures for achalasia but I am still having very bad muscle spasms. I know everyone's symptoms are different but I just want to reassure myself that I am not have a heart attack. My spasms are intense, beginning with extreme pressure in the chest and continuing into the jaw and back. They seem to go away slowly with very hard gulps of liquid. Does this sound familiar to anyone? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2010 Report Share Posted March 2, 2010 This sounds very familiar. Before I had the achalasia diagnosis, I called a cardiologist because I thought I was having a heart attack. I wasn't. The pains were similar to your description and, in fact, were due to achalasia. Since my myotomy in 2009, they have truly lessened both in frequency and severity. If you are concerned about a possible heart problem, I would consult a physician. > > I have had 2 dilatation balloon procedures for achalasia but I am still having very bad muscle spasms. I know everyone's symptoms are different but I just want to reassure myself that I am not have a heart attack. My spasms are intense, beginning with extreme pressure in the chest and continuing into the jaw and back. They seem to go away slowly with very hard gulps of liquid. Does this sound familiar to anyone? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2010 Report Share Posted March 2, 2010 On 3/2/2010 8:00 AM, donnagaboury wrote: > ... I just want to reassure myself that I am not have a heart attack. ... I was just talking to a woman who was a nurse for many years and knew the signs of a heart attack yet when she started to have heart related chest pains because her heart arteries were all 90% blocked she was in denial. A co-worker gave her the number of a cardiologist and said call it now. She says she saved her life, but she should not have needed her to know what she should have done. I am not saying you are in denial, just that even people without reason for the pains, even people who should know better, will come up with excuses for the pains. It is going to be easier for us to be in denial. We can have both spasms and heart problems. It isn't fair but it is true. Unless there is a good reason not too, you could do yourself a favor and have it checked out for peace of mind. notan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2010 Report Share Posted March 4, 2010 Yes, I am almost 5 years post heller w/ dor fundo and I still get spasms but not as bad as before. I get mine mostly at night or when I get stressed. They go away with a few gulps of water. The day they don't go away with water (or foors) is the day I go to the emergency room for a heart attack Dave > > I have had 2 dilatation balloon procedures for achalasia but I am still having very bad muscle spasms. I know everyone's symptoms are different but I just want to reassure myself that I am not have a heart attack. My spasms are intense, beginning with extreme pressure in the chest and continuing into the jaw and back. They seem to go away slowly with very hard gulps of liquid. Does this sound familiar to anyone? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 1, 2010 Report Share Posted May 1, 2010 Hi, Something that works for me is not to panic when you get a spasm. Panic caused me to tighten my muscles and stress making it worse. Now I take deep breaths after gasping for air and cursing. Any four letter word will work. You could try ice. You may have pulled a muscle and it will take time to heal. Take it easy and be patient. Arrr. > > Hi, I'm new to this group. I'm 63 and have untreated thoracic C-curve. No probs until my thirties, when I had backaches. In recent years, I've had to sleep on my left side with a pillow wedged under my left side, otherwise I wake up in pain. Recently, I pulled my left latissimus muscle, probably doing yoga shoulder stand. Now it spasms painfully when I lie down on my back. Any ideas on how to relieve this? I have to sleep in a reclined position in an easy chair. Had x-rays - no fracture. Doctor prescribed Motrin and Flexeril and moist heat. I'm fine all day, until I lie down. Then the pain is pretty bad. > Thanks! > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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