Headaches

[Guest guest]

I also suffer from migraines. I used to get them in the 1980's and

then they seemed to go away.

I started getting them again around the yr2000 after my diagnosis

of AIH. They have now progressed to complex migraines and I see a

neurologist for them and for treatment. Mine also vary in where they

attack and I also wake up with them often.

I am now taking 2 med for them and hope it works. I just got the

second med last week because they were getting real bad again.

I suggest you contact a neurologist as they specialize in the

treatment and causes on migraines.

[Guest guest]

Bremda,

I am sorry that you have those Migrains, they are very disabling.

Many years ago I would wake up with the beginning of this horrible

headache, and if I did not take meds for it it would develop into a

full-blown headache, with throbbing , couldn't bend over, became

nauseated (actually threw up) type of thing. Somewhere along the way

I realized that if I took a sinus medication when I first woke up (

3-4 AM.) most of the time it would go away completely. I had no

allergic symptoms, no cold symptoms, just the headache. Regular pain

pill, like Ibuprofen or Tylenol did not help!!! For numerous years

this worked fine and whenever I mentioned it to a doctor, they would

just nod and sort of agree that then " I should take the sinutab " .

Lately, since my liver, my diabetes, my asthma (?), my arthritis

problems have surfaced, I have noticed that my asthma, is really

controlled to a large extent with my post nasal drip, ( have also

tried to figure that one out ). I cough very heavily sometimes, when

I have any sinus drippage and do get the headache (on rare occasion )

when my " chronic rhinitis " is not under control. I am still not

allergic to anything identifiable, so I do not know why I have the

rhinitis! I am taking Nasacort and Saline Nasal Spray with the Advair

puffs and the Albuterol inhaler, to control my asthma and rhinitis. I

just started taking Zyrtec at night, just to control what could be

congestion. It seems to work.

I just wonder if , migraines are somehow not connected to something

else, that they have not yet discovered. I do understand that

migraines are identified as a neurological problem. But I have not

been able to find out if anyone knows what causes them.

But I ramble on, sorry. I do sometimes get impatient that I have see

several doctors before one of the would come up with something that

works.

Clara, OR

>

>

>

> I also suffer from migraines. I used to get them in the 1980's and

> then they seemed to go away.

>

> I started getting them again around the yr2000 after my diagnosis

> of AIH. They have now progressed to complex migraines and I see a

> neurologist for them and for treatment. Mine also vary in where they

> attack and I also wake up with them often.

>

> I am now taking 2 med for them and hope it works. I just got the

> second med last week because they were getting real bad again.

>

> I suggest you contact a neurologist as they specialize in the

> treatment and causes on migraines.

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

You sound so much like me. I understand how frustrating it all can

be. I have been hospitalized two times for seizures and both were

caused by migraines. I also take sinus medicine hoping it will

work.Sometimes it does but when it doesn't I take Aleve, Salsalate

and even morphine. Now they have me on Imitrex and I take Calan

everyday. I have enough medicine that I carry them around in a travel

bag. I really hate all these doctors sometimes.

Hope you get answers and feel better soon.

[Guest guest]

Hi Clara.

Years ago I went to see an Allergist because my

Internist thought my sinus problems were allergies. I

had all the skin test and nothing came up positive.

After several visits and discussions my Allergist

decided I had " non-allergic rhinitis " . She explained

that people who have an overactive immune

system-autoimmune diseases, etc. can have allergic

reactions to smells, chemicals etc that have never

bothered them before. The weird thing is I never know

when or what causes it. Some days I can't read the

newspaper because either the ink or paper gets to me

and I start sneezing. No problem other days. Some

days I can be outside all day and other times I start

sneezing as soon as I walk out the door. Seems like I

always have post nasal drip. Isn't life with

autoimmune diseases interesting?????

--- cinike33 <cshelton33@...> wrote:

> Bremda,

>

> I am sorry that you have those Migrains, they are

> very disabling.

>

> Many years ago I would wake up with the beginning

> of this horrible

> headache, and if I did not take meds for it it would

> develop into a

> full-blown headache, with throbbing , couldn't bend

> over, became

> nauseated (actually threw up) type of thing.

> Somewhere along the way

> I realized that if I took a sinus medication when I

> first woke up (

> 3-4 AM.) most of the time it would go away

> completely. I had no

> allergic symptoms, no cold symptoms, just the

> headache. Regular pain

> pill, like Ibuprofen or Tylenol did not help!!! For

> numerous years

> this worked fine and whenever I mentioned it to a

> doctor, they would

> just nod and sort of agree that then " I should take

> the sinutab " .

>

> Lately, since my liver, my diabetes, my asthma (?),

> my arthritis

> problems have surfaced, I have noticed that my

> asthma, is really

> controlled to a large extent with my post nasal

> drip, ( have also

> tried to figure that one out ). I cough very

> heavily sometimes, when

> I have any sinus drippage and do get the headache

> (on rare occasion )

> when my " chronic rhinitis " is not under control. I

> am still not

> allergic to anything identifiable, so I do not know

> why I have the

> rhinitis! I am taking Nasacort and Saline Nasal

> Spray with the Advair

> puffs and the Albuterol inhaler, to control my

> asthma and rhinitis. I

> just started taking Zyrtec at night, just to control

> what could be

> congestion. It seems to work.

>

> I just wonder if , migraines are somehow not

> connected to something

> else, that they have not yet discovered. I do

> understand that

> migraines are identified as a neurological problem.

> But I have not

> been able to find out if anyone knows what causes

> them.

>

> But I ramble on, sorry. I do sometimes get

> impatient that I have see

> several doctors before one of the would come up with

> something that

> works.

>

> Clara, OR

>

>

>

>

>

> >

> >

> >

> > I also suffer from migraines. I used to get them

> in the 1980's and

> > then they seemed to go away.

> >

> > I started getting them again around the yr2000

> after my diagnosis

> > of AIH. They have now progressed to complex

> migraines and I see a

> > neurologist for them and for treatment. Mine also

> vary in where they

> > attack and I also wake up with them often.

> >

> > I am now taking 2 med for them and hope it

> works. I just got the

> > second med last week because they were getting

> real bad again.

> >

> > I suggest you contact a neurologist as they

> specialize in the

> > treatment and causes on migraines.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

,

Just like you my allergist identified " non-allergic rhinitis, " and I

do have all kinds of autoimmune diseases. My symptoms are like yours.

But why is that the doctors all just know one part of what is wrong

with us. Who is that one specialist that knows this stuff??? Or are

we all so terribly diferent! Life is very interesting with all phases

of this illness. Sometimes I just have to laugh! Clara

>

> Hi Clara.

>

> Years ago I went to see an Allergist because my

> Internist thought my sinus problems were allergies. I

> had all the skin test and nothing came up positive.

> After several visits and discussions my Allergist

> decided I had " non-allergic rhinitis " . She explained

> that people who have an overactive immune

> system-autoimmune diseases, etc. can have allergic

> reactions to smells, chemicals etc that have never

> bothered them before. The weird thing is I never know

> when or what causes it. Some days I can't read the

> newspaper because either the ink or paper gets to me

> and I start sneezing. No problem other days. Some

> days I can be outside all day and other times I start

> sneezing as soon as I walk out the door. Seems like I

> always have post nasal drip. Isn't life with

> autoimmune diseases interesting?????

[Guest guest]

a,

I really think your reactions are from die off. I know it sucks but

you have to work through it, you can't avoid die off if you want to

kill candida. Candida makes so many different toxins, and when you

kill them, these toxins get dumped into your system, and your body

needs time to be able to clear those toxins out.

And again, I will say, you might be going too fast for your body to

handle. Symptoms get worse when you go off diet, as well as when you

progress too quickly. My best recommendation is to stick to the 9 day

plan (minus the supplements for now) and be ready to be uncomfortable

while you go through it. Clear your calendar as much as you can and

take it easy during this time.

Additionally, for really bad die off, as per the nine day instructions

" While doing this treatment it will be more helpful if you do not take

any supplements, antifungals, or probiotics. If you feel

uncomfortable stopping them it is okay to continue taking them as long

as you do okay on this program. " Since you are having such a

difficult time, I would recommend going slowly and not taking

supplements while on the nine day plan and then revisit that issue

after you finish that.

Hope you feel better soon,

Jecca

>

> After being up a while yesterday the backache and calf pain went

away. I had nothing but meat and veggie broth all day. By mid

afternoon the headache was worse and the back and calf pain was back.

In the evening I had a can of sardines in olive oil with some HCl and

I took magnesium citrate before going to bed. I also had some ascorbic

acid and mixed a little baking soda into it because I don't like the

taste of it. This morning the headache is worse than it's been in a

long time and the backache and calf pain are worse also. In addition,

I have been waking up with swollen eye lids again the last two days.

>

> I expected to deal with die off on this diet but I can't do this

every day. It hurts so bad today I am tempted to take some aspirin

because I don't know how to make it through the day. I am volunteering

at a nursing home today, have a business meeting for our church, and

have to work on a website and my head feels like it's going to

explode. I tried white willow bark yesterday but it didn't help.

[Guest guest]

Thanks Jecca - the only supplements I was going to continue taking are the

HCl with meals and magnesium citrate at night so I can sleep. I didn't think

the ascorbic acid would be a problem or is it? I seem to remember it saying

that it helps with die off? I could be wrong since there is a lot of reading

in the files.

Could the little bit of baking soda (1/2 tsp) I mixed in with my ascorbic

acid have caused me to feel worse? I was taking baking soda just a month ago

and felt fine.

a

_____

From: [mailto: ]

On Behalf Of jeccajay

Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 6:10 AM

Subject: [ ] Re: headaches

a,

I really think your reactions are from die off. I know it sucks but

you have to work through it, you can't avoid die off if you want to

kill candida. Candida makes so many different toxins, and when you

kill them, these toxins get dumped into your system, and your body

needs time to be able to clear those toxins out.

And again, I will say, you might be going too fast for your body to

handle. Symptoms get worse when you go off diet, as well as when you

progress too quickly. My best recommendation is to stick to the 9 day

plan (minus the supplements for now) and be ready to be uncomfortable

while you go through it. Clear your calendar as much as you can and

take it easy during this time.

Additionally, for really bad die off, as per the nine day instructions

" While doing this treatment it will be more helpful if you do not take

any supplements, antifungals, or probiotics. If you feel

uncomfortable stopping them it is okay to continue taking them as long

as you do okay on this program. " Since you are having such a

difficult time, I would recommend going slowly and not taking

supplements while on the nine day plan and then revisit that issue

after you finish that.

Hope you feel better soon,

Jecca

[Guest guest]

Yes, ascorbic acid can cause die off. Actually, any supplement can

cause die off. Anything that improves your nutrition can cause die

off as the healthier you are the easier it is for your body to kill

the little buggers. This explains why something may not give you die

off symptoms before but is doing so now.

I know you have asked about this concept before, and I know its

confusing, but let me put it this way. Before your body couldn't

fight much so taking something like probiotics didn't bother you

because it was just the probiotics fighting the candida. Now, as you

get healthier, the probiotics are fighting candida but so is your

slightly stronger immune system. More fighting power means larger

levels of die off which means more symptoms.

Granted this is a huge over simplification, but its a good way to look

at it to explain why candida is not just a linear battle. It has good

days and bad days, and it takes time. There is no quick fix, there is

no fast track, and there is no way to get around some of the more

unpleasant aspects of the healing process.

I know you know this a, I'm not trying to be condescending. I

say it just as much to remind myself! I'm having a really hard week

myself, and it helps me to rememeber why I chose to go throw this! " )

After years of mainstream medicine, its hard to get use to natural

healing, but get use to it we must, as its a long battle, and if we

don't get use to it now, it will only be a continued frustration in

our lives as we try to heal.

>

> Thanks Jecca - the only supplements I was going to continue taking

are the HCl with meals and magnesium citrate at night so I can sleep.

I didn't think the ascorbic acid would be a problem or is it? I seem

to remember it saying that it helps with die off? I could be wrong

since there is a lot of reading in the files.

>

> Could the little bit of baking soda (1/2 tsp) I mixed in with my

ascorbic acid have caused me to feel worse? I was taking baking soda

just a month ago and felt fine.

[Guest guest]

Hi Jecca,

I have another question about that. I was reading the file " Die-off

Symptoms, Help For " and it says to take HCl, vitamin C, vitamin B complex,

niacin, Vitamin A, and Vitamin D to help with severe die off. So if the

supplements can cause die off why is it recommended to take them for severe

die off? I am confused.

It also says to drink Pau D'Arco tea. Isn't this an antifungal and will

cause die off also?

a

>Yes, ascorbic acid can cause die off. Actually, any supplement can

>cause die off. Anything that improves your nutrition can cause die

>off as the healthier you are the easier it is for your body to kill

>the little buggers. This explains why something may not give you die

>off symptoms before but is doing so now.

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi Jecca,

> I have another question about that. I was reading the file " Die-off

> Symptoms, Help For " and it says to take HCl, vitamin C, vitamin B

complex, niacin, Vitamin A, and Vitamin D to help with severe die

off. So if the supplements can cause die off why is it recommended to

take them for severe die off? I am confused.

==>That combination of supplements, taken as directed helps your body

deal with severe reactions or die-off symptoms. Supplements do not

directly " cause " die-off. They help the body heal, like the diet,

which may include die-off symptoms - die-off is when your body is

detoxifying toxins, which are mainly when candida is killed off

releasing more toxins into the system (this can also happen when

candida is overgrowing).

>

> It also says to drink Pau D'Arco tea. Isn't this an antifungal and

will cause die off also?

==>Pau D'Arco is a milder antifungal than others, and it will cause

die-off too, but it also provides many other benefits, along with

helping your body detoxify. In fact there are numerous foods, herbs,

and spices that are antifungal, but they can't all be avoided in

order to avoid die-off symptoms.

Bee

[Guest guest]

I am so glad Bee answered this for you. She did a much better job

than I was doing. As I said, I was oversimplifying things, but in so

doing, it looks like I made it more confusing. Sorry about that.

--- " a K. Carlton " <kristina.carlton@...> wrote:

>

....I have another question about that. I was reading the file " Die-off

Symptoms, Help For " and it says to take HCl, vitamin C, vitamin B

complex, niacin, Vitamin A, and Vitamin D to help with severe die off.

So if the supplements can cause die off why is it recommended to take

them for severe die off? I am confused...

[Guest guest]

Hi Ivan,

I get the headaches from the bowels of Hell! I haven't found anything

that really helps them. Pain meds are not effective. I have a friend

that is a massage therapist and the neck and shoulder work that she

does on me works better than just about anything that I've tried so

far! I do believe and the doctors believe that the headaches are from

the spinal issues that I have, but I don't have any proof of that.

Hope that this helps!

>

> Howdee all,

>    Does anyone here suffer from regular headaches (some from the

bowels of hell)

> and suspect it is caused by your spine problems? I take tramadol

and then fioracet

> when they hit Anyone have a better med? Will PT help?  I'm going to

my spine doc

> next Tues. Any ideas?  God Bless us all.

>  

> ivan

>  

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks ,

  Did you try fioracet? It helps some. I think you got the connection of neck

and shoulders with the headaches right.  Supposedly that is the area the drug

relaxes but I read it is addictive.  I was wondering if PT would help . They

seem to have a protocol for everything.

The chiropractor made them worse. I stopped all my prescribed exercises for a

few days and the headaches is starting to back off. Perhaps I just overdid my

routines.

My neck pain is hell enough without the headaches!

 

ivan

From: L. <boom77boom@...>

Subject: Re: Headaches

spinal problems

Date: Friday, August 29, 2008, 11:50 PM

Hi Ivan,

I get the headaches from the bowels of Hell! I haven't found anything

that really helps them. Pain meds are not effective. I have a friend

that is a massage therapist and the neck and shoulder work that she

does on me works better than just about anything that I've tried so

far! I do believe and the doctors believe that the headaches are from

the spinal issues that I have, but I don't have any proof of that.

Hope that this helps!

>

> Howdee all,

>    Does anyone here suffer from regular headaches (some from the

bowels of hell)

> and suspect it is caused by your spine problems? I take tramadol

and then fioracet

> when they hit Anyone have a better med? Will PT help?  I'm going to

my spine doc

> next Tues. Any ideas?  God Bless us all.

>  

> ivan

>  

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hey Ivan,

I recently started a new PT program. My new Phys therapist says based on how my

headaches start that they are related to the neck and shoulder issues that I

have as well.

So far, PT is helping. But to be honest, the massage helps more than the

exercises.

Usually we start my PT with some strengthening and repositioning exercises,

which by the time I am done with I am very tight and tense and hurting.

So, we end with a massage. Woo-hoo....the massage helps tremendously with the

pain.

While I know the exercise is needed to help reposition and rebuild muscle

strength, I really look forward to the massage.

I hope this helps. Oh, also, it depends on how your headaches start and from

where they emanate. If they start from the shoulder or lower neck and radiate

over your head from there then they are probably most definitely related to your

spinal issues. If they start elsewhere, such as between your eyes or the top of

your head, it may not be completely spine related. You may just have migraine

headaches. From what you have said about the medicine you are taking Fioricet is

generally used for the control of migraines, but you have to take it at the

onset or it doesn't really have a chance to head of the migraine before it gets

going.

Again, I hope this information helps.

 

Shayna

 It is better to be hated for who you are than liked for who you aren't.

From: L. <boom77boom (DOT) com>

Subject: Re: Headaches

spinedisorderssuppo rtgroup@gro ups.com

Date: Friday, August 29, 2008, 11:50 PM

Hi Ivan,

I get the headaches from the bowels of Hell! I haven't found anything

that really helps them. Pain meds are not effective. I have a friend

that is a massage therapist and the neck and shoulder work that she

does on me works better than just about anything that I've tried so

far! I do believe and the doctors believe that the headaches are from

the spinal issues that I have, but I don't have any proof of that.

Hope that this helps!

>

> Howdee all,

>    Does anyone here suffer from regular headaches (some from the

bowels of hell)

> and suspect it is caused by your spine problems? I take tramadol

and then fioracet

> when they hit Anyone have a better med? Will PT help?  I'm going to

my spine doc

> next Tues. Any ideas?  God Bless us all.

>  

> ivan

>  

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I have not tried the fioracet. I think that's the one that causes

allergic reactions, but I can't remember for sure. I know that

massages I get help so you may want to try that and see if it works.

Over doing it may have made the headaches worse! I know that it's

hard for me not to overdo it!!!

>

>

> Thanks ,

>   Did you try fioracet? It helps some. I think you got the

connection of neck and shoulders with the headaches right. 

Supposedly that is the area the drug relaxes but I read it is

addictive.  I was wondering if PT would help . They seem to have a

protocol for everything.

> The chiropractor made them worse. I stopped all my prescribed

exercises for a few days and the headaches is starting to back off.

Perhaps I just overdid my routines.

> My neck pain is hell enough without the headaches!

>  

> ivan

>

>

[Guest guest]

Drugs only mast the problem. I was having daily migraines until I had  C1-C2

fusion in 2005. Since then I have only had 1 .   Drugs never really helped me .

From: L. <boom77boom@ . com>

Subject: Re: Headaches

spinedisorderssuppo rtgroup@gro ups.com

Date: Friday, August 29, 2008, 11:50 PM

Hi Ivan,

I get the headaches from the bowels of Hell! I haven't found anything

that really helps them. Pain meds are not effective. I have a friend

that is a massage therapist and the neck and shoulder work that she

does on me works better than just about anything that I've tried so

far! I do believe and the doctors believe that the headaches are from

the spinal issues that I have, but I don't have any proof of that.

Hope that this helps!

>

> Howdee all,

>    Does anyone here suffer from regular headaches (some from the

bowels of hell)

> and suspect it is caused by your spine problems? I take tramadol

and then fioracet

> when they hit Anyone have a better med? Will PT help?  I'm going to

my spine doc

> next Tues. Any ideas?  God Bless us all.

>  

> ivan

>  

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you all for your responses.  I am going to ask for PT on my Tues. visit to

the spine doc.  The Fioracet does work by relaxing those muscles in the neck and

upper shoulders. The pharmacist's insert says so. but I know

it can be addictive and cause rebound headaches. I use out of shear desperation.

I've been having unusually bad back of neck and headaches since Wed. My guess is

I over did the exercises and traction device. No pain no gain?  HUH!!!!! ij

From: L. <boom77boom@ . com>

Subject: Re: Headaches

spinedisorderssuppo rtgroup@gro ups.com

Date: Friday, August 29, 2008, 11:50 PM

Hi Ivan,

I get the headaches from the bowels of Hell! I haven't found anything

that really helps them. Pain meds are not effective. I have a friend

that is a massage therapist and the neck and shoulder work that she

does on me works better than just about anything that I've tried so

far! I do believe and the doctors believe that the headaches are from

the spinal issues that I have, but I don't have any proof of that.

Hope that this helps!

>

> Howdee all,

>    Does anyone here suffer from regular headaches (some from the

bowels of hell)

> and suspect it is caused by your spine problems? I take tramadol

and then fioracet

> when they hit Anyone have a better med? Will PT help?  I'm going to

my spine doc

> next Tues. Any ideas?  God Bless us all.

>  

> ivan

>  

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hey Ivan, in our case I think it should say No Pain, Some Gain!!! We

all have pain, and our universal goal is to reduce it if not

eliminate it!!! Don't over do it so much and maybe you will feel a

little better! I do understand the overdoing it! I'm so guilty of

that! Grew up a very competitive person and even with my disability,

I'm still super competitive!!! Just have to learn when you can and

when you can't!!! For example, as soon as the weather cools here,

I'll either be riding one of my horses OR driving one of my horses!

It's the only time that I don't pay attention to the pain and I

really need that release right now!!!

>

> Thank you all for your responses.  I am going to ask for PT on my

Tues. visit to

> the spine doc.  The Fioracet does work by relaxing those muscles in

the neck and upper shoulders. The pharmacist's insert says so. but I

know

> it can be addictive and cause rebound headaches. I use out of shear

desperation.

> I've been having unusually bad back of neck and headaches since

Wed. My guess is

> I over did the exercises and traction device. No pain no gain? 

HUH!!!!! ij

>

>

>

> From: L. <boom77boom@ . com>

>

> Subject: Re: Headaches

>

> spinedisorderssuppo rtgroup@gro ups.com

>

> Date: Friday, August 29, 2008, 11:50 PM

>

> Hi Ivan,

>

> I get the headaches from the bowels of Hell! I haven't found

anything

>

> that really helps them. Pain meds are not effective. I have a

friend

>

> that is a massage therapist and the neck and shoulder work that she

>

> does on me works better than just about anything that I've tried so

>

> far! I do believe and the doctors believe that the headaches are

from

>

> the spinal issues that I have, but I don't have any proof of that.

>

> Hope that this helps!

>

>

>

> >

>

> > Howdee all,

>

> >    Does anyone here suffer from regular headaches (some from the

>

> bowels of hell)

>

> > and suspect it is caused by your spine problems? I take tramadol

>

> and then fioracet

>

> > when they hit Anyone have a better med? Will PT help?  I'm going

to

>

> my spine doc

>

> > next Tues. Any ideas?  God Bless us all.

>

> >  

>

> > ivan

>

> >  

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

[Guest guest]

:

I know this is off topic, but what kind of horses do you have? I also have

horses, three thoroughbreds, two Irish Sport Horses and four Boulonnais. I ride

hunter jumper and dressage and riding really takes my pain away, too. I usually

feel worse afterwords, but that's nothing a hot bath won't cure.

--

Dodge

Resolve to be tender with the young, compassionate with the aged, sympathetic

with the striving, and tolerant of the weak and wrong, because sometime

in your life you will have been all of these.

Read my blog at:

http://jumpthis.wordpress.com

---- " L. " <boom77boom@...> wrote:

=============

Hey Ivan, in our case I think it should say No Pain, Some Gain!!! We

all have pain, and our universal goal is to reduce it if not

eliminate it!!! Don't over do it so much and maybe you will feel a

little better! I do understand the overdoing it! I'm so guilty of

that! Grew up a very competitive person and even with my disability,

I'm still super competitive!!! Just have to learn when you can and

when you can't!!! For example, as soon as the weather cools here,

I'll either be riding one of my horses OR driving one of my horses!

It's the only time that I don't pay attention to the pain and I

really need that release right now!!!

[Guest guest]

Hey Dodge,

I have a Shire stallion (7 yrs), a Clydesdale stallion (5yrs), a

registered paint gelding (12 yrs) and my son's 1/2 Arab stallion

(2yrs) that we are trying to sell. I love my horses. Trained them

from the time they were babies, except for my paint and I got him

when he was 5. They know that Mama puts up with NO CRAP from them or

anyone else as far as that goes. I still do some training, but don't

get on them for the first few rides like I used to do. It's still my

passion! I do train horses for driving, but started that because I

wanted steering and brakes when I got on one for the first time! My

Shire, Obi won 2nd place in halter at the Desert Empire Horseshow in

the spring. I'm thinking about entering him again this fall! May

enter my Clydesdale as well. Just have to wait and see how I feel!

Horses are good for people, especially those that are in pain! If I

had the money I would start a theraputic program for the disabled and

would teach them to drive and then we would have carriage rides

through the desert!!! At least when I dream, I dream BIG!!!

>

> :

>

> I know this is off topic, but what kind of horses do you have? I

also have horses, three thoroughbreds, two Irish Sport Horses and

four Boulonnais. I ride hunter jumper and dressage and riding really

takes my pain away, too. I usually feel worse afterwords, but that's

nothing a hot bath won't cure.

>

> --

> Dodge

>

> Resolve to be tender with the young, compassionate with the aged,

sympathetic with the striving, and tolerant of the weak and wrong,

because sometime

> in your life you will have been all of these.

>

> Read my blog at:

> http://jumpthis.wordpress.com

>

> ---- " L. " <boom77boom@...> wrote:

>

> =============

> Hey Ivan, in our case I think it should say No Pain, Some Gain!!!

We

> all have pain, and our universal goal is to reduce it if not

> eliminate it!!! Don't over do it so much and maybe you will feel a

> little better! I do understand the overdoing it! I'm so guilty of

> that! Grew up a very competitive person and even with my

disability,

> I'm still super competitive!!! Just have to learn when you can and

> when you can't!!! For example, as soon as the weather cools here,

> I'll either be riding one of my horses OR driving one of my horses!

> It's the only time that I don't pay attention to the pain and I

> really need that release right now!!!

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

That's great! Nothing wrong with dreaming big!!!

--

Dodge

Resolve to be tender with the young, compassionate with the aged, sympathetic

with the striving, and tolerant of the weak and wrong, because sometime

in your life you will have been all of these.

Read my blog at:

http://jumpthis.wordpress.com

---- " L. " <boom77boom@...> wrote:

=============

Hey Dodge,

I have a Shire stallion (7 yrs), a Clydesdale stallion (5yrs), a

registered paint gelding (12 yrs) and my son's 1/2 Arab stallion

(2yrs) that we are trying to sell. I love my horses. Trained them

from the time they were babies, except for my paint and I got him

when he was 5. They know that Mama puts up with NO CRAP from them or

anyone else as far as that goes. I still do some training, but don't

get on them for the first few rides like I used to do. It's still my

passion! I do train horses for driving, but started that because I

wanted steering and brakes when I got on one for the first time! My

Shire, Obi won 2nd place in halter at the Desert Empire Horseshow in

the spring. I'm thinking about entering him again this fall! May

enter my Clydesdale as well. Just have to wait and see how I feel!

Horses are good for people, especially those that are in pain! If I

had the money I would start a theraputic program for the disabled and

would teach them to drive and then we would have carriage rides

through the desert!!! At least when I dream, I dream BIG!!!

[Guest guest]

Hi group,

Commputer down AGAIN. Headaches, boy can I relate. Was on Relpax, took one or

two as I felt one coming on, didn't help. Usually end up thinking I can talk and

try to say hospital but been told it comes out all twisted.  MRI didn't show

anything other than a twenty two hollow point fragment, which I've had most of

my life so these headaches have to be back related.

They basically tell me what I can and can't do, I limit my reading, T.V. and

commputer time. I had to change my lights in the house back to old fashioned

bulbs, flouresent lights are a killer. If one wakes me up, I get up, laying down

makes them worse, too much sleep or not enough sleep makes it really bad. The

doc put me on some kind of old school antidepressant, but the pills made me

totally stupid.

My kids God Bless them know the sore now. When they pick me up usually out of a

pool of vomit, they load me in the car, the Er usually takes me right back, I

think projectile vomitting gets a person seen quicker in the ER, the after a

shot, I'm taking to people who aren't there for about twenty four hours and

am wonderfully numb.

The weird thing about these headaches is that the can be predicted by an

electrical feeling down the injured side of my back and leg. And most of the

time I taste metal. Oh and I've noticed getting angry really brings em on.

Nothing really helps them. I carry Excedrin migrain for regular headaches those

helps. I really think the inflamation in my back somehow affects the flow of

spinal fluid and thus builds up pressure in my head, that's why laying down is a

real no no for me when my back is hurting real bad.

Anyway, no answers, just my rambling and my sympathy for those with headaches

from the " bowels of Hell " .

Terry

From: L. <boom77boom (DOT) com>

Subject: Re: Headaches

spinedisorderssuppo rtgroup@gro ups.com

Date: Friday, August 29, 2008, 11:50 PM

Hi Ivan,

I get the headaches from the bowels of Hell! I haven't found anything

that really helps them. Pain meds are not effective. I have a friend

that is a massage therapist and the neck and shoulder work that she

does on me works better than just about anything that I've tried so

far! I do believe and the doctors believe that the headaches are from

the spinal issues that I have, but I don't have any proof of that.

Hope that this helps!

>

> Howdee all,

>    Does anyone here suffer from regular headaches (some from the

bowels of hell)

> and suspect it is caused by your spine problems? I take tramadol

and then fioracet

> when they hit Anyone have a better med? Will PT help?  I'm going to

my spine doc

> next Tues. Any ideas?  God Bless us all.

>  

> ivan

>  

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

>

>

> Hi Bee,

>

> Is taking asprin or advil for a headache okay?

Hi Edie. No, it is not okay since they are toxic and very damaging to

the body. There are natural remedies for headaches, i.e. white willow

bark is available in the health store, and oil of oregano which is just

as strong a pain killer as morphine. I'm short on time so please

search our Messages for more information on helping headaches.

Bee

[Guest guest]

_darkrabbit2003@..._ (mailto:darkrabbit2003@...) writes: <<

Does anyone here suffer from regular headaches (some from the bowels of hell)

and suspect it is caused by your spine problems? I take tramadol and then

fioracet

when they hit Anyone have a better med?>>

Better responding late than never, I suppose, but I recently discovered that

my (already bad) headaches were turned into mega-migraines due to Tramadol.

That is the only short acting med my pain mgmt dr will prescribe. Of course

the dr and nurses laughed at me because Tramadol is supposed to be used in

curing migraines. Now I have nothing for breakthrough sciatica pain except for

a

10 day supply of Percocet, which was dispensed due to an unrelated surgery

that I had on 9/10. I'll be out of those helpers by tomorrow afternoon.

I'm developing such a bad attitude towards the medical profession - I'm so

frustrated and angry for feeling doubted every time I report MY pain and/or

relief symptoms, that just happen to not fall under the statistical bell

curve. I'm finding this 'doubting' thing occurs much more within the areas of

spinal treatments and pain mgmt than anywhere else. Are these feelings normal

for

chronic pain sufferers? I went through a similar bad time treating my low

back almost 7 yrs ago, but I was also in the middle of getting divorced so I

couldn't identify exactly why I was feeling what.

Best regards,

Patty A

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[Guest guest]

Patty,

 

I've struggled for years with how you feel. I actually had it out once with my

pain doc for not properly treating my pain when I asked for Percocet and he

denied it. I got so tired of the tap dance I felt I had to do to get proper pain

relief. And feeling like a scumbag for asking for meds. It's very disheartening.

There are some pain docs out there who liberally prescribe meds...the ones that

work. I was talking this over with my PCP and she said that I should keep trying

new ones until I find one who will. It's hard, I know. I have found the Fioricet

to woek well for my migraines when the Excedrin Migraine didn't. Except the ones

I got when I started on Cymbalta...wooohoo...those were bad. Almost as bad as a

spinal headache. I had to use my mother-in-laws prescription injection for

migraine. I would see your PCP about it. There are plenty of prescriptions meds

out there for those who suffer from migraines.

---

Re: Headaches

_darkrabbit2003_ (mailto:darkrabbit2003) writes: <<

Does anyone here suffer from regular headaches (some from the bowels of hell)

and suspect it is caused by your spine problems? I take tramadol and then

fioracet

when they hit Anyone have a better med?>>

Better responding late than never, I suppose, but I recently discovered that

my (already bad) headaches were turned into mega-migraines due to Tramadol.

That is the only short acting med my pain mgmt dr will prescribe. Of course

the dr and nurses laughed at me because Tramadol is supposed to be used in

curing migraines. Now I have nothing for breakthrough sciatica pain except for a

10 day supply of Percocet, which was dispensed due to an unrelated surgery

that I had on 9/10. I'll be out of those helpers by tomorrow afternoon.

I'm developing such a bad attitude towards the medical profession - I'm so

frustrated and angry for feeling doubted every time I report MY pain and/or

relief symptoms, that just happen to not fall under the statistical bell

curve. I'm finding this 'doubting' thing occurs much more within the areas of

spinal treatments and pain mgmt than anywhere else. Are these feelings normal

for

chronic pain sufferers? I went through a similar bad time treating my low

back almost 7 yrs ago, but I was also in the middle of getting divorced so I

couldn't identify exactly why I was feeling what.

Best regards,

Patty A

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