Headaches

[Guest guest]

I've lived with constant headaches most of my life.

since my spinal problems they've gotten worse.

I so understand what you're going through. Wish doctors had more

concern for their patients.

>

>

>

> _darkrabbit2003@..._ (mailto:darkrabbit2003@...) writes: <<

> Does anyone here suffer from regular headaches (some from the

bowels of hell)

> and suspect it is caused by your spine problems? I take tramadol

and then

> fioracet

> when they hit Anyone have a better med?>>

>

> Better responding late than never, I suppose, but I recently

discovered that

> my (already bad) headaches were turned into mega-migraines due to

Tramadol.

> That is the only short acting med my pain mgmt dr will prescribe.

Of course

> the dr and nurses laughed at me because Tramadol is supposed to be

used in

> curing migraines. Now I have nothing for breakthrough sciatica pain

except for a

> 10 day supply of Percocet, which was dispensed due to an unrelated

surgery

> that I had on 9/10. I'll be out of those helpers by tomorrow afternoon.

>

> I'm developing such a bad attitude towards the medical profession -

I'm so

> frustrated and angry for feeling doubted every time I report MY pain

and/or

> relief symptoms, that just happen to not fall under the statistical

bell

> curve. I'm finding this 'doubting' thing occurs much more within the

areas of

> spinal treatments and pain mgmt than anywhere else. Are these

feelings normal for

> chronic pain sufferers? I went through a similar bad time treating

my low

> back almost 7 yrs ago, but I was also in the middle of getting

divorced so I

> couldn't identify exactly why I was feeling what.

>

> Best regards,

> Patty A

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Hey Patty, I know exactly how you feel. I had to switch Pain

Management Docs because I wasn't taken seriously. I asked my

Neurosurgeon to refer my to a good Pain Management Dr. It's the best

thing I've done. Now I'm on Dilaudid for pain and Celebrex is

working so well for me I don't have to take the max dose of pain

meds. I do get TERRIBLE migraines more often than before I injured

my back. My PCP prescribes Axert for those migraines that will

literally leave me on the floor in the fetal position praying it

will be over soon. Axert is very effective for me, however, it is

costly. I hope you are able to find a Dr. that will take you

seriously. I know what it's like to be looked at like " a dope head

lookin for a quick fix " . I've learned more than I ever wanted to

about narcotic pain killers, crappy insurance companies, and " Quack "

doctors!

Jill

>

>

>

> _darkrabbit2003@..._ (mailto:darkrabbit2003@...) writes: <<

> Does anyone here suffer from regular headaches (some from the

bowels of hell)

> and suspect it is caused by your spine problems? I take tramadol

and then

> fioracet

> when they hit Anyone have a better med?>>

>

> Better responding late than never, I suppose, but I recently

discovered that

> my (already bad) headaches were turned into mega-migraines due to

Tramadol.

> That is the only short acting med my pain mgmt dr will prescribe.

Of course

> the dr and nurses laughed at me because Tramadol is supposed to

be used in

> curing migraines. Now I have nothing for breakthrough sciatica

pain except for a

> 10 day supply of Percocet, which was dispensed due to an

unrelated surgery

> that I had on 9/10. I'll be out of those helpers by tomorrow

afternoon.

>

> I'm developing such a bad attitude towards the medical

profession - I'm so

> frustrated and angry for feeling doubted every time I report MY

pain and/or

> relief symptoms, that just happen to not fall under the

statistical bell

> curve. I'm finding this 'doubting' thing occurs much more within

the areas of

> spinal treatments and pain mgmt than anywhere else. Are these

feelings normal for

> chronic pain sufferers? I went through a similar bad time

treating my low

> back almost 7 yrs ago, but I was also in the middle of getting

divorced so I

> couldn't identify exactly why I was feeling what.

>

> Best regards,

> Patty A

>

>

>

>

>

> **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life

financial

> challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and

information, tips and

> calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?

NCID=emlcntuswall00000001)

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Ivan,

 

I cringe that someone with spinal issues would consider chiropractor.  The very

manipulations would likely cause more harm than good.  IMO, PT would be the way

to go for exercise.  For headaches, I would suggest looking in to meditation,

relaxation tapes.  Or biofeedback.  Or acupuncture..  What does your neurologist

suggest?  I find that skelaxin works good for pain and muscle relaxation,

helpful to me for a headache even.  Please be well and let me know what you

decide. 

I wish you peace for today.

All my best,

:-)

From: Ivan <darkrabbit2003@...>

Subject: Headaches

" Spine " <spinal problems >

Date: Saturday, September 27, 2008, 1:55 PM

Hiya all,

  Any ideas on headache relief if you are fairly certain it's a spinal issue

(stenosis or disc).

Any procedures to ask for? drugs? Any nerve blocks? Doc won't give me anymore

trigger point injections to my head. What kind of specialist? I went to one

neurologist

who did the MRI and MRA saw nothing and was done with me.  Chiropractor wants to

adjust c1, c2 I'm afraid to be honest. Stop chiro for awhile and try PT? The low

neck and upper thoracic pain is bad enough but the headaches really ruin an

entire day. Suggestions? God bless us all and remove our pain.

 

ivan

 

[Guest guest]

Ivan,

The only thing about stopping the Chiro is that if the discs are out of

alignment but not herniated or bulging then the Chiro is your best bet.

However you can also look into other alternative medicines and self treatment.

Getting an inversion table or traction table might work well for you. Both have

ways of realigning the spine and releasing the pressure that is causing you

headaches.

Also, acupuncture might be a good option.

At home if you don't already you should consider Ibuprofen. Around 800mg every

four hours, that will help with the inflammation caused by protruding or

herniated disc material.

Which will decrease your pain. Alternating heat and cold. Put a heating pad on

for 20 minutes and then an ice pack.

You can also look into TENS...electro stimuli at home or with PT. They will work

with you doing both strengthening exercises and will use TENS and massage to

help with pain management.

With the pain you are describing there are multiple medication combinations you

can try and your primary care physician should be able to assist you with most

of them or you can go to an Orthopediologist or Ortho surgeon.

Also you should consider that if your MRI does not show damage you may be

suffering from something else, like Fibromyalgia or Arthritis, both of which can

cause the pain and headaches that you are describing. I would discuss it with my

primary care physician and maybe get a good referral for a rheumatologist who

can take  a look and rule out other causes.

In the mean time, I would follow the heat and ice, the Ibuprofen and continue

either with PT or Chiro.

Sounds like PT might be better for you. Chiro may just aggravate the situation

if it is arthritis or inflammatory in nature.

If he discovers that your pain is more inflammatory in nature or that you suffer

from Fibromyalgia there are several different medications of choice, but they

all include a Cymbalta or prozac type medication, a nerve block type medication

whether it is Lyrica or Neurotin and something for breakthrough pain like Ultram

or Lortab.

Good luck and I hope this helps.

 

Shayna

 It is better to be hated for who you are than liked for who you aren't.

From: Ivan <darkrabbit2003@...>

Subject: Headaches

" Spine " <spinal problems >

Date: Saturday, September 27, 2008, 3:55 PM

Hiya all,

  Any ideas on headache relief if you are fairly certain it's a spinal issue

(stenosis or disc).

Any procedures to ask for? drugs? Any nerve blocks? Doc won't give me anymore

trigger point injections to my head. What kind of specialist? I went to one

neurologist

who did the MRI and MRA saw nothing and was done with me.  Chiropractor wants to

adjust c1, c2 I'm afraid to be honest. Stop chiro for awhile and try PT? The low

neck and upper thoracic pain is bad enough but the headaches really ruin an

entire day. Suggestions? God bless us all and remove our pain.

 

ivan

 

[Guest guest]

Ivan,

I have all sorts of spinal disorders plus TOS. I've been fighting through all

this stuff for the last 9 years. To be honest a chiropractor has helped me more

than anyone, but the chiro needs to know exactly what is wrong. Mine is a

kinesiologist which I think made a difference. I switched to him after my neck

surgery (that failed) in 1999 for a herniated disc. He's looked at my MRIs and

Xrays with me and was able to explain them differently than the surgeons could.

He has developed a very good relationship with my whole family.

Good Luck.

> From: Ivan <darkrabbit2003@...>

> Subject: Headaches

> " Spine " <spinal problems >

> Date: Saturday, September 27, 2008, 4:55 PM

> Hiya all,

>   Any ideas on headache relief if you are fairly certain

> it's a spinal issue (stenosis or disc).

> Any procedures to ask for? drugs? Any nerve blocks? Doc

> won't give me anymore trigger point injections to my

> head. What kind of specialist? I went to one neurologist

> who did the MRI and MRA saw nothing and was done with

> me.  Chiropractor wants to

> adjust c1, c2 I'm afraid to be honest. Stop chiro for

> awhile and try PT? The low neck and upper thoracic pain is

> bad enough but the headaches really ruin an entire day.

> Suggestions? God bless us all and remove our pain.

>  

> ivan

>  

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hiya,

  I have to admit I'm confused over the chiro vs pt issue.  I was told by more

than one not to go to both at same time. My spine MD recommended my chiro. He

goes there himself.  Yet others tell me its the worse thing for me.  Do pain

management specialists help with headache? I don't know if my neck pains cause

them or they are the result of another spinal issue. All the docs I have asked

said I don't know.   My headaches are so bad I'll try anything, so I'm planning

on taking a leave  from the chiro and try PT. 

 

ivan

> From: Ivan <darkrabbit2003>

> Subject: Headaches

> " Spine " <spinedisorderssuppo rtgroup@gro ups.com>

> Date: Saturday, September 27, 2008, 4:55 PM

> Hiya all,

>   Any ideas on headache relief if you are fairly certain

> it's a spinal issue (stenosis or disc).

> Any procedures to ask for? drugs? Any nerve blocks? Doc

> won't give me anymore trigger point injections to my

> head. What kind of specialist? I went to one neurologist

> who did the MRI and MRA saw nothing and was done with

> me.  Chiropractor wants to

> adjust c1, c2 I'm afraid to be honest. Stop chiro for

> awhile and try PT? The low neck and upper thoracic pain is

> bad enough but the headaches really ruin an entire day.

> Suggestions? God bless us all and remove our pain.

>  

> ivan

>  

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Ivan,

I had the headaches that resembled migraines just after my first neck surgery

(disk matter removal), a lamenectomy (not sure of spelling), they did every test

known, even a headache specilist, my PM, at the time finally said he wanted to

go into the back of my head and freeze the nerves, which was explained to me

that it would kill some of the nerves that caused the headaches. I don't know

for sure what he did but it worked I don't get them anymore like that, just when

the triggers that use to start these HA's happens now I just get the feeling

that I will get them again but it never happens. Thats the only side effect I've

have experienced since it was done in 94.

geo

Headaches

> " Spine " <spinedisorderssupp o rtgroup@gro ups.com>

> Date: Saturday, September 27, 2008, 4:55 PM

> Hiya all,

>   Any ideas on headache relief if you are fairly certain

> it's a spinal issue (stenosis or disc).

> Any procedures to ask for? drugs? Any nerve blocks? Doc

> won't give me anymore trigger point injections to my

> head. What kind of specialist? I went to one neurologist

> who did the MRI and MRA saw nothing and was done with

> me.  Chiropractor wants to

> adjust c1, c2 I'm afraid to be honest. Stop chiro for

> awhile and try PT? The low neck and upper thoracic pain is

> bad enough but the headaches really ruin an entire day.

> Suggestions? God bless us all and remove our pain.

>  

> ivan

>  

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Ya know, not to be completely off the wall...But have you ever stopped to think

maybe you have actual Migraines?

Those can be very treatable. I think you said something about taking Fiorcet,

which is used primarily in the treatment of Migraine Headaches.

Maybe that is the road you need to consider and see if the Primary care doc can

help you there or send you to someone who can.

And yes pain management would be the ones to help with Migraines, Fibromyalgia,

Etc...

 

Shayna

 It is better to be hated for who you are than liked for who you aren't.

> From: Ivan <darkrabbit2003>

> Subject: Headaches

> " Spine " <spinedisorderssupp o rtgroup@gro ups.com>

> Date: Saturday, September 27, 2008, 4:55 PM

> Hiya all,

>   Any ideas on headache relief if you are fairly certain

> it's a spinal issue (stenosis or disc).

> Any procedures to ask for? drugs? Any nerve blocks? Doc

> won't give me anymore trigger point injections to my

> head. What kind of specialist? I went to one neurologist

> who did the MRI and MRA saw nothing and was done with

> me.  Chiropractor wants to

> adjust c1, c2 I'm afraid to be honest. Stop chiro for

> awhile and try PT? The low neck and upper thoracic pain is

> bad enough but the headaches really ruin an entire day.

> Suggestions? God bless us all and remove our pain.

>  

> ivan

>  

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I have a niece in California who was suffering from migranes

so badly she

was disabled by them ( she is a physical therapist) After several

specialist and I can't count the test she went though, someone recommened a very

good acupuncturist and

after two treatments____ she has never had another headache. I have pretty

much your same neck problem and I have a neck traction machine at home,

which opens

those vertebrae for awhile and it has helped me a great deal with the

headaches.

Jussst some food for thought! I hope you find some relief as I can

personaly identify

with your pain. Best wishes!____Donna from-PA

In a message dated 4/16/09 7:55:51 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

darkrabbit2003@... writes:

>

>

> Howdee all,

> I haven't posted in a long time as I have basically given up. My spine

> doc/PM has said he's done all he cares to do for me and I should " live with

> it. " I have been quite depressed.

> He has helped with the neck pain (I have spondylosis, DDD, few bulges and

> an osteochondromia). I have daily persistent headaches. He did a nerve burn

> on the left occipital nerve which helped for awhile. I take ultram and

> naprelan. I made an appointment at the Jefferson Hosp. Headache Clinic last

> Feb. and the closest opening was June 15th!

> My regular spine doc said not to pursue any other docs til then. Any

> ideas for relief? Procedures to investigate ahead of time? Anyone have luck

> with acupuncture for headaches? Thanks

>

> Ivan

>

>

[Guest guest]

Ivan,

Try Ultram ER 300mg...it made a HUGE difference for me vs the standard Tramadol

50mg. I did not expect a big difference, but it was huge. ---

From: Ivan <darkrabbit2003@...>

Subject: Headaches

spinal problems

Date: Thursday, April 16, 2009, 7:52 AM

Howdee all,

  I haven't posted in a long time as I have basically given up. My spine doc/PM

has said he's done all he cares to do for me and I should " live with it. " I have

been quite depressed.

He has helped with the neck pain (I have spondylosis, DDD, few bulges and an

osteochondromia) . I have daily persistent headaches. He did a nerve burn on the

left occipital nerve which helped for awhile.  I take ultram and naprelan. I

made an appointment at the Jefferson Hosp. Headache Clinic last Feb. and the

closest opening was June 15th!

My regular spine doc said not to pursue any other docs til then.  Any ideas for

relief? Procedures to investigate ahead of time?  Anyone have luck with

acupuncture for headaches?  Thanks

 

Ivan

[Guest guest]

I was suffering from migraines for 3 yrs. After C1-C2 fusion I have not had

another .

From: MysticMaidenxx@... <MysticMaidenxx@...>

Subject: Re: Headaches

spinal problems

Date: Thursday, April 16, 2009, 10:28 AM

Hi ,

I have a niece in California who was suffering from migranes

so badly she

was disabled by them ( she is a physical therapist) After several

specialist and I can't count the test she went though, someone recommened a very

good acupuncturist and

after two treatments__ __ she has never had another headache. I have pretty

much your same neck problem and I have a neck traction machine at home,

which opens

those vertebrae for awhile and it has helped me a great deal with the

headaches.

Jussst some food for thought! I hope you find some relief as I can

personaly identify

with your pain. Best wishes!____Donna from-PA

In a message dated 4/16/09 7:55:51 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

darkrabbit2003 writes:

>

>

> Howdee all,

> I haven't posted in a long time as I have basically given up. My spine

> doc/PM has said he's done all he cares to do for me and I should " live with

> it. " I have been quite depressed.

> He has helped with the neck pain (I have spondylosis, DDD, few bulges and

> an osteochondromia) . I have daily persistent headaches. He did a nerve burn

> on the left occipital nerve which helped for awhile. I take ultram and

> naprelan. I made an appointment at the Jefferson Hosp. Headache Clinic last

> Feb. and the closest opening was June 15th!

> My regular spine doc said not to pursue any other docs til then. Any

> ideas for relief? Procedures to investigate ahead of time? Anyone have luck

> with acupuncture for headaches? Thanks

>

> Ivan

>

>

[Guest guest]

I was suffering from migraines for 3 yrs. After C1-C2 fusion I have not had

another .

From: MysticMaidenxx@... <MysticMaidenxx@...>

Subject: Re: Headaches

spinal problems

Date: Thursday, April 16, 2009, 10:28 AM

Hi ,

I have a niece in California who was suffering from migranes

so badly she

was disabled by them ( she is a physical therapist) After several

specialist and I can't count the test she went though, someone recommened a very

good acupuncturist and

after two treatments__ __ she has never had another headache. I have pretty

much your same neck problem and I have a neck traction machine at home,

which opens

those vertebrae for awhile and it has helped me a great deal with the

headaches.

Jussst some food for thought! I hope you find some relief as I can

personaly identify

with your pain. Best wishes!____Donna from-PA

In a message dated 4/16/09 7:55:51 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

darkrabbit2003 writes:

>

>

> Howdee all,

> I haven't posted in a long time as I have basically given up. My spine

> doc/PM has said he's done all he cares to do for me and I should " live with

> it. " I have been quite depressed.

> He has helped with the neck pain (I have spondylosis, DDD, few bulges and

> an osteochondromia) . I have daily persistent headaches. He did a nerve burn

> on the left occipital nerve which helped for awhile. I take ultram and

> naprelan. I made an appointment at the Jefferson Hosp. Headache Clinic last

> Feb. and the closest opening was June 15th!

> My regular spine doc said not to pursue any other docs til then. Any

> ideas for relief? Procedures to investigate ahead of time? Anyone have luck

> with acupuncture for headaches? Thanks

>

> Ivan

>

>

[Guest guest]

>

> I notice that following the CO or a few Tbsp. of butter I get a light

headache. I am wondering if my body doesn't like the high fat, or if that is

just a die-off response.

> Thanks,

> Amy

>

Hello Amy

Headache is a typical die off reaction.

Marisa

[Guest guest]

>

> I notice that following the CO or a few Tbsp. of butter I get a light

headache. I am wondering if my body doesn't like the high fat, or if that is

just a die-off response.

> Thanks,

> Amy

>

Hi, Amy I get this to. It is die off. If it gets to be too much just lower the

dose a bit.

hang in there

kelly

[Guest guest]

Thank you all for your kind reponses and ideas to combat my headache pain.  God

Bless.

 

 

ivan

From: MysticMaidenxx@... <MysticMaidenxx@...>

Subject: Re: Headaches

spinal problems

Date: Thursday, April 16, 2009, 10:28 AM

Hi ,

I have a niece in California who was suffering from migranes

so badly she

was disabled by them ( she is a physical therapist) After several

specialist and I can't count the test she went though, someone recommened a very

good acupuncturist and

after two treatments__ __ she has never had another headache. I have pretty

much your same neck problem and I have a neck traction machine at home,

which opens

those vertebrae for awhile and it has helped me a great deal with the

headaches.

Jussst some food for thought! I hope you find some relief as I can

personaly identify

with your pain. Best wishes!____Donna from-PA

In a message dated 4/16/09 7:55:51 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

darkrabbit2003 writes:

>

>

> Howdee all,

> I haven't posted in a long time as I have basically given up. My spine

> doc/PM has said he's done all he cares to do for me and I should " live with

> it. " I have been quite depressed.

> He has helped with the neck pain (I have spondylosis, DDD, few bulges and

> an osteochondromia) . I have daily persistent headaches. He did a nerve burn

> on the left occipital nerve which helped for awhile. I take ultram and

> naprelan. I made an appointment at the Jefferson Hosp. Headache Clinic last

> Feb. and the closest opening was June 15th!

> My regular spine doc said not to pursue any other docs til then. Any

> ideas for relief? Procedures to investigate ahead of time? Anyone have luck

> with acupuncture for headaches? Thanks

>

> Ivan

>

>

[Guest guest]

Tell you acupuncture has worked for me times sometime only made it worse most of

time it helped.

Sue

From: MysticMaidenxx@ aol.com <MysticMaidenxx@ aol.com>

Subject: Re: Headaches

spinedisorderssuppo rtgroup@gro ups.com

Date: Thursday, April 16, 2009, 10:28 AM

Hi ,

I have a niece in California who was suffering from migranes

so badly she

was disabled by them ( she is a physical therapist) After several

specialist and I can't count the test she went though, someone recommened a

very

good acupuncturist and

after two treatments__ __ she has never had another headache. I have pretty

much your same neck problem and I have a neck traction machine at home,

which opens

those vertebrae for awhile and it has helped me a great deal with the

headaches.

Jussst some food for thought! I hope you find some relief as I can

personaly identify

with your pain. Best wishes!____Donna from-PA

In a message dated 4/16/09 7:55:51 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

darkrabbit2003 writes:

>

>

> Howdee all,

> I haven't posted in a long time as I have basically given up. My spine

> doc/PM has said he's done all he cares to do for me and I should " live

> with

> it. " I have been quite depressed.

> He has helped with the neck pain (I have spondylosis, DDD, few bulges and

> an osteochondromia) . I have daily persistent headaches. He did a nerve

> burn

> on the left occipital nerve which helped for awhile. I take ultram and

> naprelan. I made an appointment at the Jefferson Hosp. Headache Clinic

> last

> Feb. and the closest opening was June 15th!

> My regular spine doc said not to pursue any other docs til then. Any

> ideas for relief? Procedures to investigate ahead of time? Anyone have

> luck

> with acupuncture for headaches? Thanks

>

> Ivan

>

>

[Guest guest]

Yeah, acupuncture is great for headaches. There are some wonderful points

for neck pain too. There are points along the neck, but one point that you

can easily massage is on the outside edge of each hand, below where the

pinky starts, on the edge of where the thick skin of the palm meets the

regular skin of the back of the hand. Find the sore spot.

Re: Headaches

spinal problems

Date: Thursday, April 16, 2009, 10:28 AM

Hi ,

I have a niece in California who was suffering from migranes

so badly she

was disabled by them ( she is a physical therapist) After several

specialist and I can't count the test she went though, someone recommened a

very

good acupuncturist and

after two treatments__ __ she has never had another headache. I have pretty

much your same neck problem and I have a neck traction machine at home,

which opens

those vertebrae for awhile and it has helped me a great deal with the

headaches.

Jussst some food for thought! I hope you find some relief as I can

personaly identify

with your pain. Best wishes!____Donna from-PA

In a message dated 4/16/09 7:55:51 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

darkrabbit2003 writes:

>

>

> Howdee all,

> I haven't posted in a long time as I have basically given up. My spine

> doc/PM has said he's done all he cares to do for me and I should " live

> with

> it. " I have been quite depressed.

> He has helped with the neck pain (I have spondylosis, DDD, few bulges and

> an osteochondromia) . I have daily persistent headaches. He did a nerve

> burn

> on the left occipital nerve which helped for awhile. I take ultram and

> naprelan. I made an appointment at the Jefferson Hosp. Headache Clinic

> last

> Feb. and the closest opening was June 15th!

> My regular spine doc said not to pursue any other docs til then. Any

> ideas for relief? Procedures to investigate ahead of time? Anyone have

> luck

> with acupuncture for headaches? Thanks

>

> Ivan

>

>

[Guest guest]

>

> I am wondering if headaches can be a symptom of die-off? Every night just

about for the last week I've had the worst headaches and I'm really over it.

Also leg pains - which I've always had - have been much more frequent lately.

I've also irradicated all gluten from my diet over the last week or so and am

wondering if there's some withdrawal from that (if the daydreaming about meat

pies and pastry is any indication - I'm thinking that's what it is lol)

+++Hi Keri. Yes, headaches are die-off symptom, and so are leg pains. They are

because of toxins.

Also if you've ever had headaches or leg pains in the past your body will be

retracing them as it heals itself:

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/heal10.php

New symptoms may also occur, but they are also because of how the body heals

itself. In fact the dis-ease processes are exactly the same as the healing

processes, with the only difference being that you are now progressing towards

health rather than becoming more and more unhealthy.

The medical field takes advantage of the dis-ease process by labelling each and

every " sign " (which they decide are individual symptoms or diseases), instead of

calling them what they actually are, i.e. signs the body is working hard at

maintaining its health in spite of poor nutrition, toxins, etc., which causes

healing reactions and symptoms. That's why " they " vehemently deny the body can

heal itself.

All the best, Bee

[Guest guest]

Hi Keri,

I get lots of headaches. Almost constant for me, and when the die-off is worse,

they increase in intensity. Don't worry, this too shall pass!

Blessings,

Marcie

>

> I am wondering if headaches can be a symptom of die-off? Every night just

about for the last week I've had the worst headaches and I'm really over it.

Also leg pains - which I've always had - have been much more frequent lately.

I've also irradicated all gluten from my diet over the last week or so and am

wondering if there's some withdrawal from that (if the daydreaming about meat

pies and pastry is any indication - I'm thinking that's what it is lol)

>

> Thanks

>

> Keri

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Bee and Marcie for your replies.

I also wonder if hormones have a part in the headaches? I know sugar and

candida messes with our hormones so much, that if when you take the sugar away,

your hormones are effected and in turn, headaches happen? I had the first 28

day cycle last month that I've had in 3-4 years (they've been shortening the

last few years to 23-24 days - doctor says it's perimenopause but I don't want

to buy that since I'm only 40). So for me a 28 day cycle says something's

happening (in a good way!!). Plus my period was less painful last month

Anyway, I did digress a bit there!!, but I think it's all part of the big

picture personally...healing, die off, hormone 'realignment' maybe?

I will try to embrace my headaches in future as steps closer to healing !!

Keri

>

> Hi Keri,

> I get lots of headaches. Almost constant for me, and when the die-off is

worse, they increase in intensity. Don't worry, this too shall pass!

>

> >

> > Keri

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Shortened periods a sign of perimenopause? I'm 30 and just this past year (on

the program) do I have a 28-32 day cycle. Almost my entire fertile life until

this point I was at 21-24 days. Would the doctor say I was in perimenopause at

fifteen???

Sheesh. I'm glad to hear things are working out for you! My period also

has gotten WONDERFUL - spaced out, short, and almost completely painless. What

a sea change from before!!!

Best in health,

andra

>

> I had the first 28 day cycle last month that I've had in 3-4 years (they've

been shortening the last few years to 23-24 days - doctor says it's

perimenopause but I don't want to buy that since I'm only 40). So for me a 28

day cycle says something's happening (in a good way!!). Plus my period was less

painful last month

>

>

> Keri

[Guest guest]

Yep, I've done a lot of googling on this and in the medical world, a

shortened cycle often means you're heading towards menopause.

Perimenopause, can, apparently, last for 10 years or more and some

people supposedly hit menopause in their early 40s, but you cannot

tell me for a second that this is just " the way your body is " or

whatever, as doctors will tell you. So, I don't believe I've been in

perimenopause at all - I just believe my cycle has been so screwed up

because of the imbalances in my body and now they're slowly being

fixed, my cycle is adjusting. Perhaps if I'd stayed on the path I was

on I'd end up with menopause at 45 or something??? Most doctors baulk

at any suggestion that diet has a part in your hormones.

I can't wait to see what next month brings (not very often you can say

that is it!! )

Cheers,

Keri

On 17/01/2010, at 4:39 AM, nocalc wrote:

> Shortened periods a sign of perimenopause? I'm 30 and just this past

> year (on the program) do I have a 28-32 day cycle. Almost my entire

> fertile life until this point I was at 21-24 days. Would the doctor

> say I was in perimenopause at fifteen???

>

> Sheesh. I'm glad to hear things are working out for you! My

> period also has gotten WONDERFUL - spaced out, short, and almost

> completely painless. What a sea change from before!!!

>

> Best in health,

> andra

>

>

> >

> > I had the first 28 day cycle last month that I've had in 3-4 years

> (they've been shortening the last few years to 23-24 days - doctor

> says it's perimenopause but I don't want to buy that since I'm only

> 40). So for me a 28 day cycle says something's happening (in a good

> way!!). Plus my period was less painful last month

> >

> >

> > Keri

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

> Yep, I've done a lot of googling on this and in the medical world, a

> shortened cycle often means you're heading towards menopause.

> Perimenopause, can, apparently, last for 10 years or more and some

> people supposedly hit menopause in their early 40s, but you cannot

> tell me for a second that this is just " the way your body is " or

Very interesting. Well, I guess I was heading down the road of menopause before

age 40 then! Glad I got off that train.

I am literally amazed every month at how easy it is. That's the way it should

be!

<snip>

> I can't wait to see what next month brings (not very often you can say that is

it!! )

LOL! No, indeed!

andra

[Guest guest]

Some of the websites I have visited suggest that " high " variabilty in temps

(which you certainly have with swings from 35 to 36) indicate adrenal weakness.

But also, your comment that your temp is never above 36 (which is low compared

to the 37 expected normal) might indicate your thyroid levels are still low.

These two indications taken together might point up clues to understanding your

headache symptoms.

Sorry I don't have more profound expertise to offer.

> hypothyroidism

> From: stehendie@...

> Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 14:06:19 +0000

> Subject: Headaches

>

> Hey I'm new to the group but not new to thyroid problems, just wanted to ask

about headaches.

>

> So ive always had quite a few headaches my whole life, but sine Ive been on

thyroid supements, first thyroxine and secondly armour.I've been getting a

headache most days. Was wondering if it could be linked to adrenals that the

thyroid support isn't getting used by my body properly that I mite be getting

these headaches. I'm tracking my temps and there up and down between 35 and 36

but never over 36. Thanks

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

I would also make sure your blood pressure is not high, because that can cause

headaches too.

 

 Another thing, I was taking antacids for heartburn, and had a headache every

day for months. I decided to stop them and see what would happen. The constant

headache went away, and now any headache I get is transient and no where near as

bad as what I had on the antacids.

 

Keep us posted on how you are doing.

<>Roni

Immortality exists!

It's called knowledge!

 

Just because something isn't seen

doesn't mean it's not there<>

From: Susy Lew <susylew@...>

Subject: RE: Headaches

hypothyroidism

Date: Friday, April 23, 2010, 11:52 AM

Some of the websites I have visited suggest that " high " variabilty in temps

(which you certainly have with swings from 35 to 36) indicate adrenal weakness.

But also, your comment that your temp is never above 36 (which is low compared

to the 37 expected normal) might indicate your thyroid levels are still low.

These two indications taken together might point up clues to understanding your

headache symptoms.

Sorry I don't have more profound expertise to offer.

> hypothyroidism

> From: stehendie@...

> Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 14:06:19 +0000

> Subject: Headaches

>

> Hey I'm new to the group but not new to thyroid problems, just wanted to ask

about headaches.

>

> So ive always had quite a few headaches my whole life, but sine Ive been on

thyroid supements, first thyroxine and secondly armour.I've been getting a

headache most days. Was wondering if it could be linked to adrenals that the

thyroid support isn't getting used by my body properly that I mite be getting

these headaches. I'm tracking my temps and there up and down between 35 and 36

but never over 36. Thanks

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>