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Dede, have you been checked for Scleroderma? You said that you have hard spots on your skin. Just wondering.

Love and hope to you........Lea

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Lea~

I just thought this article was interesting........I will stick to a epson salt scrub......I got this article off the Neutraceuticals site...........

With me being on 3 different diuretics a day for 18 months, I have real alligator skin, but it is sensitive. I have taken myself off of all three.....they were making me very ill..........If I used a brush on my skin, I would be bleeding...........Love D

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Dede. I will try to write to you when we get home. I am worried about your precious father...love you.....Lea

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No Lea, I havent been tested for that.......I am doctor discouraged right now........my left leg hurts and has for over a week now, I guess it is time to figure out who to go to......... especially since i have at least 2+pitting edema in my ankels...............yuk !

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Thing is, what have you learned that tells you goats milk is not just

the secondcoming? SCD uses it but after our personal cows milk disaster

it scares me.

Janice wrote:

>Liz,

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>That article was pretty good. Explained a lot of things for me. Thanks

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>Janice

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> Not sure about this. Whenever you read about stuff like this folks are

> passionate and it comes across as propaganda. With that said, if only

> half of this is true it is pretty alarming.

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> http://www.rense.com/general26/milk.htm

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When we went GFCF I tried using goat milk products. My son very specifically

told me, " Mom, please don't give me the goat cheese anymore. It's not as bad as

the cow cheese, but it still makes my tummy hurt a little bit. " This from a kid

who never complained about his tummy hurting before, so I know his complaint was

legit.

Kim with 4 cuties

Liz <lizlaw@...> wrote:

Thing is, what have you learned that tells you goats milk is not just

the secondcoming? SCD uses it but after our personal cows milk disaster

it scares me.

Janice wrote:

>Liz,

>

>That article was pretty good. Explained a lot of things for me. Thanks

>

>Janice

> [sPAM] [ ] Interesting

>

>

> Not sure about this. Whenever you read about stuff like this folks are

> passionate and it comes across as propaganda. With that said, if only

> half of this is true it is pretty alarming.

>

> http://www.rense.com/general26/milk.htm

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> >Liz,

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> >That article was pretty good. Explained a lot of things for me.

Thanks

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> >Janice

> > [sPAM] [ ] Interesting

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> > Not sure about this. Whenever you read about stuff like this

folks are

> > passionate and it comes across as propaganda. With that said,

if only

> > half of this is true it is pretty alarming.

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> > http://www.rense.com/general26/milk.htm

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What about organic milk and cheeses???

(I didn't read the whole article)

On 7/13/07, Liz <lizlaw@...> wrote:

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> Thing is, what have you learned that tells you goats milk is not just

> the secondcoming? SCD uses it but after our personal cows milk disaster

> it scares me.

>

> Janice wrote:

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> >Liz,

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> >That article was pretty good. Explained a lot of things for me. Thanks

> >

> >Janice

> > [sPAM] [ ] Interesting

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> >

> > Not sure about this. Whenever you read about stuff like this folks are

> > passionate and it comes across as propaganda. With that said, if only

> > half of this is true it is pretty alarming.

> >

> > http://www.rense.com/general26/milk.htm

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I am scared too and will approach it extremely cautiously. Mark is away on

holidays for 2 weeks and when he comes back, I will determine a plan of action

to test out both kefir and raw goats yogurt.

Thing is.... I know that I need to get a decent probiotic into the boy in order

to heal the stomach. While the supplements are okay, I am well aware that

'whole foods' do the job a lot more efficiently and effectively. I will try

everything out first using our very expensive, high quality digestive enzymes to

combat the casien. Mark's gut has suffered too many years of abuse and I need

to really work this as fast as possible.

Janice

[sPAM] [ ] Interesting

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>

> Not sure about this. Whenever you read about stuff like this folks are

> passionate and it comes across as propaganda. With that said, if only

> half of this is true it is pretty alarming.

>

> http://www.rense.com/general26/milk.htm

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From the mouths of babes! Thanks!

Kim wrote:

>When we went GFCF I tried using goat milk products. My son very specifically

told me, " Mom, please don't give me the goat cheese anymore. It's not as bad as

the cow cheese, but it still makes my tummy hurt a little bit. " This from a kid

who never complained about his tummy hurting before, so I know his complaint was

legit.

>

> Kim with 4 cuties

>

>Liz <lizlaw@...> wrote:

> Thing is, what have you learned that tells you goats milk is not just

>the secondcoming? SCD uses it but after our personal cows milk disaster

>it scares me.

>

>Janice wrote:

>

>

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>>Liz,

>>

>>That article was pretty good. Explained a lot of things for me. Thanks

>>

>>Janice

>> [sPAM] [ ] Interesting

>>

>>

>>Not sure about this. Whenever you read about stuff like this folks are

>>passionate and it comes across as propaganda. With that said, if only

>>half of this is true it is pretty alarming.

>>

>>http://www.rense.com/general26/milk.htm

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Many things are bad in milk even if you are not allergic or sesitive.

Casein is in all milk and that is typically the problem. I always bought

no antibiotic, organic milk and yougurt. Apparently that just means no

new antibiotics. You really have to read the whole thing. Lots of

reasons to avoid milk, moreso with our kids with known neuro stuff.

Cheese is considered worse ans it takes like 12 oz of milk to make 1 oz

of cheese so it is like a powerful concentrated form of the bad stuff.

Dion wrote:

>What about organic milk and cheeses???

>(I didn't read the whole article)

>

>On 7/13/07, Liz <lizlaw@...> wrote:

>

>

>> Thing is, what have you learned that tells you goats milk is not just

>>the secondcoming? SCD uses it but after our personal cows milk disaster

>>it scares me.

>>

>>Janice wrote:

>>

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>>>Liz,

>>>

>>>That article was pretty good. Explained a lot of things for me. Thanks

>>>

>>>Janice

>>> [sPAM] [ ] Interesting

>>>

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>>>Not sure about this. Whenever you read about stuff like this folks are

>>>passionate and it comes across as propaganda. With that said, if only

>>>half of this is true it is pretty alarming.

>>>

>>>http://www.rense.com/general26/milk.htm

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My husband, the scientist, did mention that it sounded like the SCD

protocol of fermentation for the goat's milk yogurt may remove most of

the casein in the form that harms us. It is a dilemma, nut unlike fruits

and veggies. The yogurt is good to heal the gut but the casein harms it.

The fruits and veggies give nutrition but bring with them bacteria and

pesticide risk even if organic. In the end we have to watch closely and

pray the good outweighs the bad. I am just not ready to take on goats

milk just yet.

Let me know what happens.

Janice wrote:

>I am scared too and will approach it extremely cautiously. Mark is away on

holidays for 2 weeks and when he comes back, I will determine a plan of action

to test out both kefir and raw goats yogurt.

>

>Thing is.... I know that I need to get a decent probiotic into the boy in order

to heal the stomach. While the supplements are okay, I am well aware that

'whole foods' do the job a lot more efficiently and effectively. I will try

everything out first using our very expensive, high quality digestive enzymes to

combat the casien. Mark's gut has suffered too many years of abuse and I need

to really work this as fast as possible.

>

>Janice

>

>

> [sPAM] [ ] Interesting

> >

> >

> > Not sure about this. Whenever you read about stuff like this folks are

> > passionate and it comes across as propaganda. With that said, if only

> > half of this is true it is pretty alarming.

> >

> > http://www.rense.com/general26/milk.htm

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Be very careful of the keifer. I just bought some and it really upset

tummy’s in our house.

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My husband, the scientist, did mention that it sounded like the SCD

protocol of fermentation for the goat's milk yogurt may remove most of

the casein in the form that harms us. It is a dilemma, nut unlike fruits

and veggies. The yogurt is good to heal the gut but the casein harms it.

The fruits and veggies give nutrition but bring with them bacteria and

pesticide risk even if organic. In the end we have to watch closely and

pray the good outweighs the bad. I am just not ready to take on goats

milk just yet.

Let me know what happens.

Janice wrote:

>I am scared too and will approach it extremely cautiously. Mark is away on

holidays for 2 weeks and when he comes back, I will determine a plan of

action to test out both kefir and raw goats yogurt.

>

>Thing is.... I know that I need to get a decent probiotic into the boy in

order to heal the stomach. While the supplements are okay, I am well aware

that 'whole foods' do the job a lot more efficiently and effectively. I will

try everything out first using our very expensive, high quality digestive

enzymes to combat the casien. Mark's gut has suffered too many years of

abuse and I need to really work this as fast as possible.

>

>Janice

>

>

> [sPAM] [ ] Interesting

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> > Not sure about this. Whenever you read about stuff like this folks are

> > passionate and it comes across as propaganda. With that said, if only

> > half of this is true it is pretty alarming.

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Yeah, I've heard that you have to work up to it slowly just like some

supplements. My boy is away so I won't be trying it for a couple of weeks

yet.... thanks so much for the head's up. I had forgotten reading about that

with regard to kefir....

Janice

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> > passionate and it comes across as propaganda. With that said, if only

> > half of this is true it is pretty alarming.

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com/general26/milk.htm

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Thank you Brett

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[ ] interesting

The following post was put on the neuroHBOT list. I just thought I

would show everyone this, who hasn't seen it, as I find it quite

interesting. I just can't get over how Hartsoe's " group " is

continuously trying to make Darin and look like they are trying

to stop the spread of HBOT.

It is quite evident to me that this is not the case. and Darin

both are trying to promote HBOT, in all forms. They will both tell

you, and have posted on the lists many times, that they are in full

support of any and all HBOT.

The difference here is Hartsoe and his clan. Although

does somewhat support mHBOT, he does not believe that it works

without high pressure treatments. The bigger problem is the folks

that blindly support nothing but higher pressure treatments. These

folks are the people that will stand in the way of HBOT becoming

mainstream.

The fact of the matter is that lower pressures are just as effective

as the higher pressures in the treatment of many conditions,

especially when dealing with the brain. These folks refuse to see

that, and therefore will continue to fight until they screw it up for

everyone. The military study is a prime example. If this study is

done at 2.0 ATA or above, there will be minimal gains and very

possible negative side effects. This, in turn, will be negative in

the eyes of the government, and everything we are trying to

accomplish will be set back. This will be a setback that we may

never recover from.

Regardless of what you all think, the research has been done by Dr.

Harch and many others. I have also seen it, personally. The lower

pressures, regardless if they are done in a hard or soft chamber, are

the pressures in which brain conditions must be treated. This has

been shown over and over.

Regardless of this rambling on, and Darin are not " the bad

guys " as they are made out to be. The are extremely supportive of

HBOT. They are simply trying to promote all forms of HBOT, both mild

and higher pressures. However, the other side of the coin I cannot

say the same for. Hartsoe does admit, at times, that the mild

chambers are beneficial, and I can appreciate that. However, most of

the others do not, and that is a crying shame.

If those on the other side of the coin would open they eyes, and

minds, we could get over the fighting and get things going in the

right direction.

I will say that sometimes the arguments get quite heated, but that

only shows the dedication and enthusiasm that and Darin both

have in supporting the accurate information (which includes both high

and mild) about HBOT.

The following is the post originally mentioned:

, Welcome to this list. I want you to know how much I appreciate

what you and your husband have done to keep this country safe. You

are a

brave woman. He is a brave man. The free standing centers on this

list are

very interested in helping those servicemen who have given so much

for our

country. There are plans being formed by Tom Fox and Alene Creacy so

we

will be able to treat those men and women who have suffered blast

injuries.

Keep tuned for the latest. I am sure Tom will keep us up to date as

he has

more information. Tom?

, is one of the most generous , compassionate people in

the

hyperbaric business. Yes he does get upset when smears his name

and

other's names who are trying to expose the potential benefits of

HBOT. You

have to realize the slander that has been frequently written on other

sites

against these people...no wonder their anger grows and eventually

spews!!!

Stay with us . is one of the good guys on this site. He

would bend over backwards for your husband and for anyone who

contacts him.

(hmmm, now that he has retired I am not sure of the pull he still has

at

Miracle Mountain). Please keep in touch and let us know how your

husband

progresses. Connie

Connie Waltz RN, BSN, aCHRN

The R.M.Lombard Hyperbaric Oxygenation

Medical Center Inc

255 N. 6th Street

Columbia PA 17512

717-684-3228

Website: HYPERLINK " http://hboxygen. com/ " http://hboxygen. com

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