Thyroid

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Hi ,

I couldn't open up the website you suggested...

www.holistic-med.com/symptoms.htm

Roni

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yeah, i thought it may be mucous but i dont eat dairy. oh well, maybe it will

go away one day.

Roni

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I think many people are told falsely they do not have iron deficiency when

they have, especially women. Iron deficiency depresses the immune

system and predisposes the body to candidiasis and lots of other conditions

depending on the individual's susceptibility. I now take a liquid iron and try

to keep off pills as much as possible, taking a liquid multivitamin, vitamin

C,

vitamin B complex and multimineral as well. I think it's all making a

difference. I know now that there is a basic anaemia in the family. However

because women menstruate it gets much worse in them. I have now realised

that many conditions which are commonly attributed to women are a fraud,

just a splitting up of the symptoms which arise from deficiencies caused by

menstruation. Perhaps it's a bit the same with men now

with the problems in the manufacture of food and drink and antibiotics.

To answer your question about hairloss -- certainly iron deficiency and

thyroid problems can contribute to hair loss. Also an excess of androgens.

Saw Palmetto is supposed to be an anti androgen. You can get that in liquid

form as well, a herbal extract. I personally keep away from tinctures because

it's alcohol and even with boiling water added, I don't really get rid of the

alcohol.

B complex does aid in the absorption of iron. I also use a formula called

Pil-Food for hair which

seems to be quite good in conjuction with a liquid iron which I drink in a

lemon juice

called PLJ.

Alice

In a message dated 2/8/02 6:18:06 AM, bryceaw@... writes:

>Is Candida causing an iron, B-complex, magnesium or

>calcium deficiency that is also causing all of this???

>Please fire away...I want to make this stop.

>

>THANKS!

>

>BW

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The lump in the throat, the falling out of hair, the cold hands and feet all

sound

like iron deficiency to me. It has taken about two or three months for me of

taking

a liquid iron to start to really notice a difference. Once your iron is ok,

then other

things such as thyroid, hormones etc can start to right themselves. There is

so much conning with

all the varied symptoms caused by iron deficiency being made into conditions

in

their own right and then people get put on the drugs treadmill. Iron

deficiency naturally

also predisposes to candidiasis.

As I said before I do supplement with liquid multivitamins, vitamin C, B

complex and

trace minerals, all in liquid form plus only two pills, vitex (agnus castus)

and pil-food

hair formula pills. I cut down on the pills because they overload the liver.

Alice

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My naturopath made it pretty clear to me that my weight gain (97 lbs. in 3

months) and acne and hair falling out was directly due to the candida. He

said that it totally threw off my thyroid, and that there is no sense in

trying to fix the thyroid until the candida is under control. As for leaky

gut and systemic candida... I couldn't say for sure, but research would

agree with andrea's.

" The possible reason for your vitamin deficiencies is the yeast itself. I

read articles about yeast getting so thick (and penetrating the walls of

your intestines) that the nutrition cannot be absorbed any longer. Getting

your yeast under control would likely help this (if it is the cause for the

deficiency) " As far as this goes, I am living proof. My body absorbs about 4

of the 26 vitamins and minerals it is supposed to get every day. This is

due to the intensity of the yeast in my intestines and digestive tract.

- (I'm not new, I've just never spoken up)

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Do you think the phlegm is from the thyroid or candida? What do you take for

it?

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ok, thanks Anne

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ok, thanks . I will try again tomorrow.

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One reason might be mucous. If you eat a lot of dairy, this is a major

contributor. I'm sure there are others

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Hear hear!

I was actually composing a similar endorsement -- but fortunately I

read *all* of my email before I sent it, lol.

MSM is widely available. In fact, the last time I got it was on a

half price sale at the supermarket! The brand I got from the

supermarket seems to be just as effective as the stuff I got at the

health food store.

I also second the motion about Vitamin C. I experienced fatigue with

MSM til I started matching it gram-for-gram with VitC.

>

> You could try investing in some good quality MSM (Methyl Sulfonyl

Methane) preferably with Vit C , it is a natural sulphur and it will

not onlyhelp with your hair problem, but will help you to feel better

in general all over...i have been taking this since i discovered i had

candida, and it has helped me a great deal, i still get tired, but no

where near as much....

> Anne

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Hi Alice!

You mentioned you drink a lemon juice called PLJ. Where can I find that? Is

it like lemonade?

Thanks!

Roni

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Hello again!

Does the MSM / Vit C combo have a negative effect on antifungals?

Thanks!

Roni

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Hi Alice!

Do you think one can have an iron deficiency even though they eat lots of

meats? Do you think a Naturopath can tell me if I have an iron deficiency?

I'm done going to the medical doctors!

Thanks again!!

Roni

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Your doctor can run a blood test to see if you are anemic. Yes you can

still be anemic even if you eat a lot of meat. The problem is absorption.

If your gut isn't working right, you don't absorb the nutrients. My iron

has been very low for so many years I can't keep track. After bottle 6 of

Primal Defense, my iron is much higher. I'm using Floradix. Whatever you

use, you should know that you need to take Vitamin C along with your iron

supplement. You should also know that Vitamin E should never be taken at

the same time. It kills the iron....

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If you don't want to go to the doctor, go donate blood. If your iron is low

they won't take it.

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Hi Roni!

Yes you can have an iron deficiency even if you eat lots of meat...

especially with the candida, because the yeast covers so much of your

intestines and digestive tract that your body may not absorb the iron. This

is the case in my body. There are supplements to help your body digest

properly (especially proteins), while you are killing the candida. A good

naturopath can tell you every single vitamin and mineral you are deficient

in. Iron is one of the first that they will look for I think.

>From: roniron4@...

>Reply-candidiasis

>candidiasis

>Subject: Re: thyroid

>Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 10:28:02 EST

>

>Hi Alice!

>

>Do you think one can have an iron deficiency even though they eat lots of

>meats? Do you think a Naturopath can tell me if I have an iron deficiency?

>I'm done going to the medical doctors!

>

>Thanks again!!

>Roni

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In a message dated 2/10/02 3:05:36 PM, roniron4@... writes:

>Hi Alice!

>

>You mentioned you drink a lemon juice called PLJ. Where can I find that?

>Is

>it like lemonade?

>

>Thanks!

>Roni

PLJ is just lemon juice really which you dilute in water. It's not like

lemonade. It's supposed

to be pure lemon juice with a preservative. But I'm in England. You could

have a search

on the internet for PLJ lemon juice and see what comes up.

To me your symptoms sound very similar to what I have had over the years and

it sounds like

a basic iron deficiency. I think it's extremely difficult for women to avoid

having an iron deficiency,

but what matters of course is the degree of the deficiency. Hair loss, lump

in the throat, aches and

pains sound to me like a pretty low level of iron.

I really can't say whether a naturopath would

help. I think it depends on the individual naturopath and how far they admit

that menstruation,

for example, causes deficiencies. I have had a naturopath (male) tell me that

women " make up

the blood loss " . He didn't though explain how. But I think a lot of women

naturopaths (and

other medical personnel) are told this in their training and never question

it. I have a basic

anemia in the family inherited from my grandfather through my mother -- it's

only recently

we have discovered this.

And yes, it is possible

to eat meat and still be anaemic. Even without a basic anemia, menstruation

causes anemia.

Again it's the degree that counts. Some women have less blood loss and less

mineral and vitamin

loss than others. Lack of iron depresses the immune system and prevents

absorbtion of other vitamins

and minerals. And of course, iron is vital to the oxygenation of the blood

and of course candidiasis

thrive in a non oxygen environment.

And of course over the years iron deficiency compounded with menstruation

will naturally get worse if not treated.

I now use Spatone Iron plus, a sachet of mineral water which contains iron. I

have also used a liquid iron

manufactured by Biocare. Again, this is all British stuff, although I suppose

it could well be

available in the USA. Again a search on the net could reveal more (non

sweetened) liquid iron

supplements. Any liquid iron is far better absorbed than pills which have to

go through the liver.

I have come to realise it's very easy to isolate the symptoms of anemia

caused by menstruation

and also by the symptoms caused by use of the so-called contraceptive pill

and hormone replacement

therapy and label them as different conditions. Most doctors spend their

careers doing this. And the

earlier women are put on the drugs conveyor belt (eg birth control pill) the

less they realise what

is happening. Don't get me wrong. I have no problem with the concept of birth

control itself.

But synthetic steroid chemicals such as synthetic estrogen and progestin, a

testosterone analogue,

are very powerful chemicals, hundreds of times more potent than natural

hormones and can cause

of variety of symptoms according to individual susceptibility. These drugs

and anemia predispose

then to candidiasis which also stops absorbtion. Regarding

tests, I have to say that I know I have been lied to over the years. I have

always been told I was

not anemic. But recently I got hold of the blood test results and found out I

was severely anemic.

But over the years I have been " diagnosed " with other things and my health

has been severely

damaged by drugs prescribed for me for symptoms caused by anemia and then by

all the powerful

steroids prescribed for me to control my periods (anemia in some individuals

causes clotting and

menstrual flooding) and then by all the powerful corticosteroids and

vasodilators, among other

things, prescribed for what I now realise were symptoms caused by the other

drugs .... etc etc etc.

I am better definitely since taking the iron and I think it makes the immune

system stronger to cope

with the candidiasis. It's a chain reaction, as Ross might say ...

<grin>

Alice

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In a message dated 2/10/02 5:49:42 PM, Healthalice@... writes:

<< drink a lemon juice called PLJ. >>

Here's another question. I am going to a dog show next week, will be there

for five days. One of the vendors is one that sells FRESH sqqeezed lemonade,

limeade, and a combination of the two. It is OUTSTANDING and is one of my

favorite drinks, I look forward to it every year!

I am on day 10 of the candida diet I have. (it says to avoid fruit during the

first three weeks)

Can I have some??? Can I, can I? Huh? Huh?

Chantelle

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Lemon is the one thing you can have... but lemonade is another thing. Doesn't

lemonade always have sugar in it? You have to avoid both sugar and artificial

sweetners. Sorry to put such a dampner, but you obviously want an honest

answer... But hey, get your system right and you'll be able to drink it

occasionally

and more...

Alice

In a message dated 2/11/02 1:03:05 AM, CMMllr@... writes:

<< Here's another question. I am going to a dog show next week, will be there

for five days. One of the vendors is one that sells FRESH sqqeezed lemonade,

limeade, and a combination of the two. It is OUTSTANDING and is one of my

favorite drinks, I look forward to it every year!

I am on day 10 of the candida diet I have. (it says to avoid fruit during the

first three weeks)

Can I have some??? Can I, can I? Huh? Huh?

Chantelle

>>

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Hi Alice!

Thanks for all your info!!

Regarding the lump in your throat, so you feel like you're constantly

clearing your throat? Does your throat get sore? Is it mucous that comes up

when you clear? (i know that sounds gross but you are the first person to

have similar symptoms)

If I go to the doc again and they tell me that my iron is fine... then what?

How will I know? (that's probably a tough question to answer) I don't know

if I feel like wasting my time.

Do you take antifungals as well? Do you take a liquid multi-vitamin with

iron or just iron? What exactly is your regimin?

Thanks again Alice!

Roni

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The mucus may be separate from the lump in the throat. I've never known what

exactly it is causes the sensation of the lump in the throat apart from from

the

fact it's connected with the iron and general rundownedness... I believe the

medical

name is " globus hystericus " or something like that. Unsurprisingly it's found

mostly

in women ... (hyster is latin for the womb as in hysterectomy and also -- yes

--

hysteria).

From what I have now learned the mucus is connected with the digestion and

irritated

walls of the colon etc. But I think a lot of people have mucus now as well

because of

the pollution etc. I think it's a bit like a cold, it's an immune system

reaction. The

mucus is really produced by the body to protect itself.

Yes, I do take a Biocare non sweetened multivitamin and also extra liquid

vitamin C

and vitamin B. But I think the main thing is to get the iron right and it's

only about

four months or so in that I'm seeing a major difference although there were

vaguer

improvements before now. According to Spatone Iron plus, you can't overdose

on the

iron in one or two sachets a day and a child has to take 50 packets to

overdose. If you

menstruate, there's no way you can overdose in any case as long as you keep

to the

dose on the packet. I used to take more pills but I've scrapped it all now,

now I've

realised about iron. I try and stick to food eg a sheep's milk yoghurt a day,

lots of

veggies, red meat once a week, oily fish. I'm also eating fruit now without

any ill effect.

Be careful with pills because they go through the liver and obviously can't

be as well

absorbed as liquid. So because they're also processed substances, they can

also coat

the colon etc just as much as processed food. Learnt this all through

experience and

also find it all a lot cheaper now! I do have Spirulina in the morning on my

shredded

wheat (no added sugar) or porridge.

I can see the difference because I've got fungus in my fingernails (because I

realise now

because of the prescribed medication I have been given over the years) and

it's definitely

growing out now. I think my immune system is righting itself for the first

time in years...

Hope this helps.

Alice

In a message dated 2/11/02 1:15:52 AM, roniron4@... writes:

<< Hi Alice!

Thanks for all your info!!

Regarding the lump in your throat, so you feel like you're constantly

clearing your throat? Does your throat get sore? Is it mucous that comes up

when you clear? (i know that sounds gross but you are the first person to

have similar symptoms)

If I go to the doc again and they tell me that my iron is fine... then what?

How will I know? (that's probably a tough question to answer) I don't know

if I feel like wasting my time.

Do you take antifungals as well? Do you take a liquid multi-vitamin with

iron or just iron? What exactly is your regimin?

Thanks again Alice!

Roni

>>

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In a message dated 2/10/02 6:15:46 PM, Healthalice@... writes:

<< but lemonade is another thing. Doesn't

lemonade always have sugar in it? >>

If I remember right, they don't use any sweetener at all, which is why it is

so good! I love lemon anything!

So if I ask if they use sweetener and they say sugar, I can't have it, but if

they don't, I can, right??!!!!

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In a message dated 2/9/2002 12:26:54 PM Eastern Standard Time,

asw@... writes:

<Have you also stopped eating sugar completely? What about flour? I

was

told to stop both of these for one month. >

Hi again !!

Yes, I have completing stopped eating sugar and flour. I have also

stopped eating all dairy products. I'm trying the eat from green

veggies like brocolli to get my calcium but I'm pretty lazy when it

comes to that. The only thing I've eaten in addition to meats and

veggies is millet bread. Does anyone have a comment about this

calcium issue???

Have you been seeing a naturopath? Or have you read a particular

diet in a book? I believe you mentioned one in the past.

I really don't know what to tell you about your rapid weight loss. I

believe if you are filling your body with good things it shouldn't

matter.... but I'm no doctor. Unless your DO look anorexic.

Thank you for your support over the " baby thing " . I hope we can have

a healthy child one day... it is the only thing that is keeping me

from cheating on this diet (plus God, of course)!!!

Thanks !

Roni

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In a message dated 2/11/02 2:35:35 AM, CMMllr@... writes:

<<

In a message dated 2/10/02 6:15:46 PM, Healthalice@... writes:

<< but lemonade is another thing. Doesn't

lemonade always have sugar in it? >>

If I remember right, they don't use any sweetener at all, which is why it is

so good! I love lemon anything!

So if I ask if they use sweetener and they say sugar, I can't have it, but if

they don't, I can, right??!!!!

>>

Both sugar and artificial sweetners are not good. You're obviously to

determined

to have a glass, so I guess in the end if you really want it, you'll have it

.... <grin>

But if you do have it, I personally would stick to just one glass and no more

and

then drink a lot of plain old water ...

Alice

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I found a liquid multivitamin which has glycerin. I haven't read anywhere

that this is harmful. Does anyone have any comments?

Roni