Thyroid

[Guest guest]

hey Tom,

so i guess then, i can't be too bad if its used in herbal extracts?

Roni

[Guest guest]

> I found a liquid multivitamin which has glycerin. I haven't read

anywhere

> that this is harmful. Does anyone have any comments?

>

> Roni

This is a substance made from animal or vegetable fats that acts as

solvent. I see it used a lot for herbal extracts as an alternative

to alcohol.

Tom

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi !

Sorry it took so long to answer your question about Millet bread. It

contains honey. But it does not bother me at all. I may eat 1 or 2 slices a

week.

Roni

[Guest guest]

Elaine,

What is your doctor doing for your thyroid? Has

he run a test yet?

I was given Armour thyroid prescription and natural progesterone

cream. I felt much better. My thyroid level was low but in

the normal range, that I guess, is why most doctors didn't put

me on anything before. And I felt cold many times too but I

didn't have the typical symptoms. Balancing your hormones is

very important for your whole body. My doctor said that he

learned at a seminar that most women with low progesterone levels

need help with thyroid too.

Well, I had to change doctors to get an antifungal prescription.

And this new doctor told me to stop taking the Armour medication

and to take 2 alfalfa tablets with each meal. But also take my

digestive enzyme also. You see, it turned out from my hair analyses

that my minerals were low and I was having problems absorbing them.

The enzyme tablet would help to digest the alfalfa so it can be

absorbed.

GNC has an alfalfa with good absorption and there is an Alfa-max

by Natures Way, it is an absorbable formula. Anyway I was told that

if our body is low on minerals it will affect the thyroid function.

And alfalfa has all our minerals in it. I was really scared to

try doing this since I was feeling BETTER. But I have been taking

my enzymes and alfalfa with each meal and my thyroid test showed

that my levels are now in the middle of the range. I couldn't believe

it!

I don't know how helpful this is with anyone with really low levels,

but if the minerals are to support the thyroid then it wouldn't be

a waste to take it.

This was 3 months ago and I had my fillings then and I benefited,

so I don't think the fillings has everything to do with thyroid

levels. But that depends on how much mercury is in your system

and stopping you up. I have had most of my fillings removed and

now I am up for 1 more appointment. This dentist was very good and

by him using the rubber dam I didn't get any symptoms. Except

my last visit. The clamp wouldn't hold on my tooth and two teeth

had to be dug out with only some kind of a funnel attached to the

suction wand. I spent the rest of the day with blurred vision and

I am wondering about the BM I had. It was green and it could have

been related to the filling I had out.

I hope your ovary settles itself down, that is so strange.

Liz D,

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 05/18/2002 4:15:49 PM Central Daylight Time,

dianatrudeau@... writes:

> I do coffee enemas and they haven't helped the thyroid. But they're

> beneficial in other ways. It never occured to me that they might help the

> thyroid. I have hashimotos, and my dosage keeps going up, so, obviously no

> help there. But perhaps for those without hashimotos, the effect might be

> different.

>

> Diane

>

Diane,

I also have Hashimotos. I want to get well....I quit taking my Synthroid

and am taking a natural product from my ND.

How long have you been medicated for this stuff? Me....since Nov or Dec.

Edith

[Guest guest]

It's interesting that root canals and mercury fillings come up over and over

again. I don't have root canals but I do have a couple of mercury fillings.

I think they will be my next step.

Diane

----- Original Message -----

From: " kimn01 " <kimn01@...>

My wife had hypothyroidism and she does coffee enemas 2 times a day.

However, the biggest improvement on her thyroid occurred when she had her

root canal and the mercury fillings removed.

Ken

By joining the list you agree to hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR

yourself. Have a nice day !

[Guest guest]

My dr has me on Natur throid. From what I can tell it is very

similar to Armour. There was only one pharmacy in Austin that

carried it. Dr. Mercola's website had some interesting info on hypo

thyroid. I didn't check hyper. I am doing 3/4 grain. The pills

only come in grains unlike synthroid. I had a bizzar tumor

(oxyphilic adnomea) in my thyroid 14 years ago and lost part of my

thyroid so I get checked every year. I wonder how many people that

took Clomid have had thyroid tumors? I am low normal which only

means ( according to my dr) that fewer people have symptoms at that

#. All the numbers are averages. So most people with the same # that

I have do ok--not all. I'm 45 so it would make sense that low

progestrone would play a role. Since progestrone comes directly from

the ovary--hmmm.

I didn't know that alfalfa is hard to digest. My dr (natural) has

several things he looks for to see if digestion is an issue. Mainly

the fingernails--he looks for pits and ridges. He did put me on a

protease. He also said not to eat more than 60 grams of protein a

day. That seems a bit high to me, I just looked into it further and

I don't think it takes a whole lot to eat 60 grams. I think high

protein diets are unhealthy.

Thanks Liz for the info. I seem to be on a path that few others are

on. I'm taking Borage and Sarsaparilla, B12, B5 Zinc, E, Flax oil,

Schulze female formula and superfood. Supposedly I will only stay on

the thyroid med for 6 months. Borage and Sarsaparilla are both

nutritive to glands. The dr. is big on taking away common alergens

such as milk products, corn and wheat. I cut out all grains, because

I seem to bloat when I eat them. The book " Digestive Wellness " says

that if leaky gut is an issue you can spend 6 months building the gut

and probably you will no longer have allergies. That is my hope.

While I don't think I'll ever go back to having alot of grains, it

would be nice to eat them with out getting sick.

I don't know if enema's are an issue, but in my reading I did run

accross something that may be an issue for people on cleanses. Hypo

thyroid tends to happen to people that restrict their calories too

much. If you are doing juice fast, I think that it would be hard to

have too few calories if you are drinking enough juices, but on the

Master Cleanser--I recall that being under 1000 calories. I

personally only use the master cleanse to get started on a juice

fast. I've not done coffee enema's. Another thing the dr said to

stay away from is caffine. I've read both sides on the coffee enema's

and I just don't feel like it is something for me. I know several

people that swear by them also, I have a really hard time believing

that your colon will not absorb the caffine.

I keep trudging along with hopes that Schulze is correct when he says

there are no incurable diseases.

Elaine

[Guest guest]

wow thank you all for such great info... I was thinking about going to a

natural path.

[Guest guest]

Elaine,

It could be that the medication you were on caused

the thyroid trouble. I hope you don't have future problems

with this.

I don't think alfalfa is hard to digest for average people.

But if you don't digest it, you won't benefit from it.

It turns out that I wasn't absorbing my minerals and that

is an indication that I lacked more enzymes. I think it is

interesting that your doctor could tell you needed enzymes

from your fingernails. My fingernails are just fine but my

stool analysis showed I wasn't digesting protein. So I was

put on a protease formula.

Three years later, getting sicker and then changing doctors,

this other doctor wanted me to take a complete enzyme formula.

Especially noting that my minerals were low, a sign that I

wasn't digesting other foods properly. I am on a super enzyme

complex and my fatigue improved and my thinking and speech became

better. I began slurring my words. I can't believe how important

these minerals are for my body, not to mention alfalfa is high in

calcium and we all need that.

So the enzymes help break the food down into smaller parts so

your body can absorb them. That is what seems to be happening.

I am 43 and feel sometimes like I am an advanced 80 years old.

But I know a few 80 year old people feeling better than I do.

One of the signs of not digesting food properly is burping it

up for hours, painful bloating and constipation also. Why don't

you try a complete enzyme formula and then see if you can eat

some of the grains? Or have you tried that? Maybe try it

after you worked with the leaky gut protocol. You don't have

to see undigested food in the toilet to know you have this

problem. My stools never showed any indication that I wasn't

digesting these other foods. To the naked eye, you can't tell.

And even from some of the stool test, it doesn't show.

I took borage oil when I was feeling cold, it corrected my

body temperature. This was a long time ago before I really

felt sick. But the only time I could take it was 1 week

after my period. It turns out that I was suffering of high

estrogen levels and when I took the borage it increased my

estrogen and made me sicker. I felt good on it just one week

out of the month. After 6 months I didn't have to take it anymore.

I thought you might want to know that. Many people are able

to take this oil without a problem. Not me. Also be aware

that many kinds of herbs can influence your estrogen levels.

It is a real bummer for me to find so many I cannot take. UGH!

I got leaky gut too and I heard reference to that book before.

I will look into it. I have been supplementing with an amino

acid complex with glutamine in it. I noticed improvement. Does

the book say anything about glutamine?

I just want to share my experience in case it could help

someone similar to me. It has been a long wait. If you haven't

done a search on estrogen dominance, then please do. There is

a natural progesterone cream you rub on to raise your progesterone

levels. It is not a drug, it comes from wild yam and is processed

in the lab that replicates progesterone. Some creams have

plant estrogens in it also, please stay away from them if you

are estrogen dominant. It seems that are progesterone levels

are more important than our estrogen. But we need estrogen for

so many things too. What is important is keeping them both and

in balance. If you have any questions I can chat

some more on the subject. Right now I got to go.

Liz D.

> I didn't know that alfalfa is hard to digest. My dr (natural) has

> several things he looks for to see if digestion is an issue.

Mainly

> the fingernails--he looks for pits and ridges. He did put me on a

> protease. He also said not to eat more than 60 grams of protein a

> day. That seems a bit high to me, I just looked into it further

and

> I don't think it takes a whole lot to eat 60 grams. I think high

> protein diets are unhealthy.

> Thanks Liz for the info. I seem to be on a path that few others

are

> on.

> Elaine

[Guest guest]

Liz!!!

Which enzyme product are you on??? Inquiring minds want to know!!

Diane

----- Original Message -----

Three years later, getting sicker and then changing doctors,

this other doctor wanted me to take a complete enzyme formula.

Especially noting that my minerals were low, a sign that I

wasn't digesting other foods properly. I am on a super enzyme

complex and my fatigue improved and my thinking and speech became

better. I began slurring my words. I can't believe how important

these minerals are for my body, not to mention alfalfa is high in

calcium and we all need that.

Liz D.

[Guest guest]

Diane,

I posted this some time ago but I don't mind posting

it again. I am taking Twin Labs super enzyme formula.

It has HCl in it so if you get stomach burning it is

because of that. Stop taking it. It is the first

complete formula I found. Enzymes rule the body!

I also ordered enzymes from www.throppsnutrition.com

It has high enzymes without the HCL in it. I want

my husband on enzymes too but the HCL wouldn't be

good for him since he has too much acid already.

I will take this if I have a skimpy meal.

He sells two different enzyme products, one called

Ultra-Zyme Plus and another called Opti-Zyme Plus.

The ingredients are listed. And the price is pretty

good.

There is a product on his site called Inulation. It is

supposed to help feed good bacteria and keep the pH in

good range. I ordered one today to try it. This stuff

is supposed to be good to help fight yeast. Has anyone

tried it? I would like to hear your results.

Liz D.

> Liz!!!

> Which enzyme product are you on??? Inquiring minds want to know!!

> Diane

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 05/19/2002 7:41:54 AM Central Daylight Time,

dianatrudeau@... writes:

> Hashimotos is hypothyroidism

> http://thyroid.about.com/library/weekly/aa061697.htm from this page by

> Shomon

> Also, autoimmune hypothyroidism (such as Hashimotos) is correlated to a

> higher incidence of other diseases, including diabetes. In addition,

> hypothyroidism raises cholesterol, and makes it harder to lose weight.

> Somehow, they're all related, and the Zone seems to have some answers why.

>

I understand this point but I know from the Endrocrinologist I see

that it is not just our run of the mill hypothyroidism. It is an actual

disease of the thyroid gland where as the other is a condition

that can swing from hypr to hyper and back and forth.

Edith

[Guest guest]

well, Edith, if you find something that works, that reverses it, makes it

better, I'd be thrilled to find out about it. But from what my docs tell

me, my thyroid is on its way out. I'm not sure exactly what that means for

me, but, in any case, it's not the end of the world. There are much worse

things that can happen to you.

Diane

[Guest guest]

About 3 years ago, my doctor told me too that I have

to take hormones that there is no other way. I kept

falling down, lost my hair, had trouble speaking,

could not remember anything, could not finish a

sentence, had no energy, my basal temperature would

not go over 97 (and was usually 96) and I gained

weight. I was totally miserable.

Somebody told me about Thytrophin (no hormones) and

then I read about Maca and nowadays I only take Maca

and I feel good... I still have bad days... but I

found out (on the hypothyroid message board) that I

cannot eat foods that inhibit thyroid function. One

day somebody sent a long list of foods to avoid and I

try to do that (which is not easy) ...

Maybe this is interesting for you.

Ingrid

--- Diane Trudeau <dianatrudeau@...> wrote:

> well, Edith, if you find something that works,

> that reverses it, makes it

> better, I'd be thrilled to find out about it. But

> from what my docs tell

> me, my thyroid is on its way out. I'm not sure

> exactly what that means for

> me, but, in any case, it's not the end of the

> world. There are much worse

> things that can happen to you.

>

> Diane

>

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Diane,

When I found this large lump in my throat I went to the MD and he sent me

for all manner of testing plus turned me over to the Endo. He said that I

had 3 nodules but the one I detected is the largest. I saw him for 3 months

before he gave me any thing, but I immediately started doing more

healthy things than I had done. When I went back to see him, he said the

nodule was smaller but he didn't know why. Then he gave me the Synthroid,

which I took for while but then stopped and am taking this other stuff.

He sent notes on me to the MD that sent me there. My daughter is

the nurse there so she read me the notes. Because I talked to him

about believing in the body's ability to heal itself if given the right tools,

he said I had far out thoughts and " I am sure this person will not come for

her follow up appointments " plus a bunch of other things.

The 2 NDs I see both say that when the liver and pancreas are rebuilt, the

thyroid will fall right in line. So this is what I am working on....total

health.

Edith

In a message dated 05/19/2002 7:16:44 PM Central Daylight Time,

dianatrudeau@... writes:

> well, Edith, if you find something that works, that reverses it, makes it

> better, I'd be thrilled to find out about it. But from what my docs tell

> me, my thyroid is on its way out. I'm not sure exactly what that means for

> me, but, in any case, it's not the end of the world. There are much worse

> things that can happen to you.

>

> Diane

>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 05/20/2002 7:13:38 AM Central Daylight Time,

dianatrudeau@... writes:

> . hmmm why would you mention that you take something else that

> you believe is better but not say what it is?

Diane,

I didn't know the complete name of it...I'm in another

room from my pills but now that I've taken notice, it is

Metabolic Thyro by Doctor's Research. It is certainly

not secret.

Edith

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 05/20/2002 1:15:28 AM Central Daylight Time,

dianatrudeau@... writes:

> My dosage of synthroid keeps creeping up. I just don't know that I can quit

> synthroid just like that. This is in spite of taking Maca. It never ends.

> Where would I find this list of foods that should be avoided?

>

> Diane

>

Diane,

If you should find something you think might help, the ND said it is better to

keep taking the Synthroid for about 2 weeks maybe reducing the strength

along the way but not cold turkey. I didn't know this and did it but now

wish I hadn't. I hope we find something that " gets us well " . This is not

a fun thing to have as you know.

Please keep me posted if you should find anything new.

Edith

[Guest guest]

I am very interested in the list too thanks!

Debbie

[Guest guest]

I understand that once you have taken hormones (any

kind) for about 2 years, you cannot just stop them,

but some people I know have finally switched to Armour

and that has helped them...

Now to Maca: I take 1 TABLESPOON about five times a

day, but you would not need that much, I am sure,

because you are taking hormones.

When my husband started with synthetic hormones, we

had no idea of Armour or Thytrophin or Maca at that

time. After he was on Synthroid for about 3 years, (

at which time I got diagnosed with hypothyroidism), I

searched for alternative treatments and found very

much information on the internet... (As I already

mentioned, I tried Thytrophin --by Standard Process--

first and then learned about Maca. ). I asked my

husband to give it a try and stop with Synthroid and

he tried first Thytrophin and then Maca, but the

horrible symptoms (that we both know so well) came

back and then he switched to Armour, which supposedly

should be " better " than synthetic hormones...

Now he takes about 1 Tablespoon MACA 3 times a day

along with the Armour...

Now to the foods that suppress thyroid function that

we should avoid... (this is very difficult for us, but

we do our best... as soon as we " cheat " , we feel

worse!):

I am copying what I had printed out from one of the

messages and (unfortunately) deleted...

all the cabbage family, like Brussel sprouts,

cauliflower, kale, turnips, spinach,

soybeans (any form), peanuts, linseed, pinenuts,

millet, cassava, mustard green,

dairy products, wheat, caffeine, alcohol...

Then there is a long list of what we should use, but I

don't have time for that now...

Please, let me know if this is interesting

Ingrid

--- Diane Trudeau <dianatrudeau@...> wrote:

> I take Maca regularly, about a tsp of it in my

> morning shake. I wish my

> memory would come back.

> My dosage of synthroid keeps creeping up. I just

> don't know that I can quit

> synthroid just like that. This is in spite of

> taking Maca.

>

>

> Diane

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

WHAT??? no brussel sprouts---that is my all time favorite vegie.

How can this be. Does your sheet explain why these vegies are not

good? I'm interested.

Elaine

> > I take Maca regularly, about a tsp of it in my

> > morning shake. I wish my

> > memory would come back.

> > My dosage of synthroid keeps creeping up. I just

> > don't know that I can quit

> > synthroid just like that. This is in spite of

> > taking Maca.

> >

> >

> > Diane

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

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>

[Guest guest]

How do you swallow one tbsp???? That stuff tastes foul, and sticks to your

palate so you can't just wash it down!!! I might be able to increase the

amount in my morning shake, but I can't stomach it on its own. I didn't see

in any of the writings where it said to take THAT much of it.

Diane

----- Original Message -----

From: " Geng " <molokai_duo@...>

Now to Maca: I take 1 TABLESPOON about five times a

day, but you would not need that much, I am sure,

because you are taking hormones.

When my husband started with synthetic hormones, we

had no idea of Armour or Thytrophin or Maca at that

time. After he was on Synthroid for about 3 years, (

at which time I got diagnosed with hypothyroidism), I

searched for alternative treatments and found very

much information on the internet... (As I already

mentioned, I tried Thytrophin --by Standard Process--

first and then learned about Maca. ). I asked my

husband to give it a try and stop with Synthroid and

he tried first Thytrophin and then Maca, but the

horrible symptoms (that we both know so well) came

back and then he switched to Armour, which supposedly

should be " better " than synthetic hormones...

Now he takes about 1 Tablespoon MACA 3 times a day

along with the Armour...

[Guest guest]

Dear Diane,

The Maca I get is from Whole World Botanicals and does

not taste foul at all. I even like it...For

convenience, my husband likes it better in capsules.

I talked to Dr. Viane Muller: 888- 757 6026... and

even though, the standard dose is much lower, she

finds it save for me to take 4,5 tablespoons a day...

and I have no problem with it... I understand that it

is quite different for people (like my husband) who

take hormones to take much less...

Why don't you call her. She helped me very much.I

believe she would remember my name if you want to

mention, who told you about her.

Ingrid

--- Diane Trudeau <dianatrudeau@...> wrote:

> How do you swallow one tbsp???? That stuff tastes

> foul, and sticks to your

> palate so you can't just wash it down!!! I might be

> able to increase the

> amount in my morning shake, but I can't stomach it

> on its own. I didn't see

> in any of the writings where it said to take THAT

> much of it.

>

> Diane

> --

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[Guest guest]

,

I will forward this to her at ProzacTruth. it's so hard to keep track of who

is where.......I'm on 3 or 4 of the lists....

Thanks,

Kate

[Guest guest]

,

I will forward this to her at ProzacTruth. it's so hard to keep track of who

is where.......I'm on 3 or 4 of the lists....

Thanks,

Kate

[Guest guest]

Dear Kate,

Maura is at prozactruth!!!

> Is Maura (anamcara) even on this list...or should I try to find her

on

> ProzacTruth?

> Thanks,

> Kate

>

>

>