Thyroid

[Guest guest]

I was on Armour at 90mcg and before that on Synthroid 150 mcg overall for a

period of about 8 years. I have been off of it for about 2 months. I also

used to feel tired after taking my Armour after I started the no card diet.

So I stoped it. Conclusion was made that my hashimoto hypothyroidism was

caused by candida so I'm trusting the diet will fix it. I have been having

more and more energy and my staying warmer longer. So overall, it appears

that improvements are being made. Unless you've already done so, I would

encourage you to request a full thyroid panel, not just TSH and T4 which is

what most docs use to diagnose Hypo-T. Free T3 & free T4 are more important

to know than the TT4 levels or TSH. So I would ask your doc to run FT4, FT3,

TT4, TT3, TSH, T antibodies along with liver panel (in case it is your liver

that cannot make the conversion from T4 to T3). This diet has helped me.

[ ] thyroid

Bee,

I did start on Armour last Friday. I was taking 0.075 mg. of Levoxyl ,and

I started on 30 mg. of Armour.

Yesterday the headache was really bad after I took the Armour. It causes

very bad stomach problems with food, not like indigestion. I would also get

nauseated. I am not taking it today, and will take 15 mg. tomorrow. I am so

sensitive to meds, even though this is natural meds. I also get very tired

after taking the Armour. I have an appointment to see my doc in six weeks.

It also gives me a doctor jekyll and doctor hyde effect! The Levoxyl would

always give me mild headaches, but this stuff is bad!

JOYCE

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[Guest guest]

>

> Bee,

> I did start on Armour last Friday. I was taking 0.075 mg. of

Levoxyl ,and I started on 30 mg. of Armour.

> Yesterday the headache was really bad after I took the Armour. It

causes very bad stomach problems with food, not like indigestion. I

would also get nauseated. I am not taking it today, and will take 15

mg. tomorrow. I am so sensitive to meds, even though this is natural

meds. I also get very tired after taking the Armour. I have an

appointment to see my doc in six weeks. It also gives me a doctor

jekyll and doctor hyde effect! The Levoxyl would always give me mild

headaches, but this stuff is bad!

==>I take my thyroid meds by melting them in my mouth, mostly under

the tongue. They have never caused headaches or stomach problems. I

can't imagine that they would cause those problems. Maybe try

cutting it up and taking small pieces spread throughout the day.

Bee

[Guest guest]

Tamara -

There are numerous reasons why natural thyroid hormone is better than synthetic

hormone. Please write to me aside if you want any information or links. I

believe Bee is in agreement on natural thyroid hormone, should you have to take

thyroid hormone.

It seems many of us here have this issue. I got sicker and sicker until I

started supplementing with Armour thyroid and then went to another level of

improvement with this candida diet.

Good luck -

~Anita

Tamara <tamaratornado@...> wrote:

I see you can take natural thyroid hormone, desiccated thyroid taken

from pigs (Armour Thyroid), Is that any good?

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[Guest guest]

What symptoms are you having ? Do you take coconut oil?

Are you avoiding raw broccoli, cabbage, and other foods that affect thyroid

function?

Jeanne otn

[Guest guest]

I love to eat raw cabbage but it bothers my thyroid. What other foods are not

good for the thyroid?

Betty

Re: [ ] thyroid

What symptoms are you having ? Do you take coconut oil?

Are you avoiding raw broccoli, cabbage, and other foods that affect thyroid

function?

Jeanne otn

[Guest guest]

raw broccoli, cabbage, cauliflower. Cooking it does inactivate whatever this

enzyme or ? that affects the thyroid. I believe fermenting it does that as

well. I love coleslaw and broccoli slaw. I just don't eat it as often as I used

to.

--------- Re: [ ] thyroid

What symptoms are you having ? Do you take coconut oil?

Are you avoiding raw broccoli, cabbage, and other foods that affect thyroid

function?

Jeanne otn

[Guest guest]

Hi Betty,

" Vegetables of the Cross " - Cruciferous Vegetables

Radish

Broccoli

Kale

Cabbage

Cress

Cauliflower

Kohlrabi

Mustard

Rutabaga

Turnip

Brussel Sprouts

Are considered " goiterogenic " meaning they can suppress the thyroid if

eaten raw. Best if steamed or fermented

At 12:28 PM 06-04-06, you wrote:

>I love to eat raw cabbage but it bothers my thyroid. What other foods

>are not good for the thyroid?

>

>Betty

[Guest guest]

What about onions? I love all of them! Don't like them cooked

Betty

Re: [ ] thyroid

What symptoms are you having ? Do you take coconut oil?

Are you avoiding raw broccoli, cabbage, and other foods that affect thyroid

function?

Jeanne otn

[Guest guest]

It sounds like all the vegetables that burn when you eat them. LOL

Betty

Re: [ ] thyroid

Hi Betty,

" Vegetables of the Cross " - Cruciferous Vegetables

Radish

Broccoli

Kale

Cabbage

Cress

Cauliflower

Kohlrabi

Mustard

Rutabaga

Turnip

Brussel Sprouts

Are considered " goiterogenic " meaning they can suppress the thyroid if

eaten raw. Best if steamed or fermented

At 12:28 PM 06-04-06, you wrote:

>I love to eat raw cabbage but it bothers my thyroid. What other foods

>are not good for the thyroid?

>

>Betty

[Guest guest]

I eat lots and lots of coconut oil, I love it. I never eat cabbage or

broccoli raw, I don't like them raw.

I take 1/4 tsp of kelp powder a day.

I feel tired when I climb stairs. I have trouble concentrating. I have

NO sex drive. I am constipated. My digestion is very slow.

- T

>

> What symptoms are you having ? Do you take coconut oil?

>

> Are you avoiding raw broccoli, cabbage, and other foods that affect

thyroid function?

>

> Jeanne otn

>

>

[Guest guest]

Tamara - I'm not sure kelp powder is very good to take and don't think you need

that much iodine. Perhaps Bee has a different opinion, but are you taking kep

powder just for your thyroid? I think it could be more harmful than good.

All the symptoms you mention are classic thyroid issues and then again, they

overlap with candida issues too. But IMO, your thyroid should be treated with

those symptoms.

~Anita

Tamara <tamaratornado@...> wrote: I eat lots and lots of coconut oil, I

love it. I never eat cabbage or

broccoli raw, I don't like them raw.

I take 1/4 tsp of kelp powder a day.

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[Guest guest]

>

> Well, I have a low functioning thyroid. My homeopath saw it first and

my endocirinologist confirmed it recently. The endo wants to give me

the standard artificial thyroid hormone, I think it's levothyroxine. I>

said no.

==>Good for you. Taking them can make your body dependent upon, as Dr.

Mercola reports.

>

> I've been pretty good with this diet, cheating mostly with nuts. I

> really ought to cut them out, huh? Could nuts cause that many

> problems? They seemed like the least worse thing to cheat on.

==>Nuts are high in carbs, but you could have small amounts without

problems if you soak and dry them properly. Always buy raw unroasted.

>

> I see you can take natural thyroid hormone, desiccated thyroid taken

> from pigs (Armour Thyroid), Is that any good?

==>It is better than synthetic thyroid, but still your body can become

dependent upon them. Getting rid of the candida is most important

because the toxins cause all of the body's cells to go rigid, which

means even if your body is producing plenty of thyroid hormones they

are not getting into the cells where they are needed to to their job.

Also tests do not measure what is going on in the cells.

>

> I am seeing my homeopath tomorrow, I will see what he says.

>

> I could start my exercising again, I slacked for a long time. I like

> to do both low-impact aerobics and yoga.

==>Good for you.

Hugs, Bee

[Guest guest]

>

> I love to eat raw cabbage but it bothers my thyroid. What other

foods are not good for the thyroid?

==>Fermenting and cooking those veggies change them so they will not

interfere with thyroid function.

Bee

P.S. Betty, please trim your messages - see the Candida Group Infor

folder. Thanks.

[Guest guest]

>

> raw broccoli, cabbage, cauliflower. Cooking it does inactivate

whatever this enzyme or ? that affects the thyroid. I believe

fermenting it does that as well. I love coleslaw and broccoli slaw. I

just don't eat it as often as I used to.

==>You are right about fermenting those vegetables, and also cooking,

both of which inactive substances that interfere with thyroid function.

Bee

P.S. Jeanne could you trim your messages? Thanks a bunch.

[Guest guest]

>

> What about onions? I love all of them! Don't like them cooked

==>Onions are fine!

Bee

P.S. Please trim your messages.

[Guest guest]

>

> I eat lots and lots of coconut oil, I love it. I never eat cabbage or

broccoli raw, I don't like them raw. I take 1/4 tsp of kelp powder a

day.

==>It is not wise to take kelp; it contains a lot of iodine which your

body only requires in trace amounts - there is plenty of iodine in the

ocean sea salt drink (with lemons). Taking too much iodine can cause

thyroid problems.

>

> I feel tired when I climb stairs. I have trouble concentrating. I

have NO sex drive. I am constipated. My digestion is very slow.

==>Cutting out the kelp may help you.

Bee

[Guest guest]

I saw my homeopath/osteopath today. He said that I don't need to take

any hormones, not even the armour thyroid; he thinks we can solve it

without any.

He gave me a homeopathic remedy and he also did some osteopathy

bodywork on me.

Thanks, T

> >

> > Well, I have a low functioning thyroid. My homeopath saw it first and

> my endocirinologist confirmed it recently. The endo wants to give me

> the standard artificial thyroid hormone, I think it's levothyroxine. I>

> said no.

>

> ==>Good for you. Taking them can make your body dependent upon, as Dr.

> Mercola reports.

> >

> > I've been pretty good with this diet, cheating mostly with nuts. I

> > really ought to cut them out, huh? Could nuts cause that many

> > problems? They seemed like the least worse thing to cheat on.

>

> ==>Nuts are high in carbs, but you could have small amounts without

> problems if you soak and dry them properly. Always buy raw unroasted.

> >

> > I see you can take natural thyroid hormone, desiccated thyroid taken

> > from pigs (Armour Thyroid), Is that any good?

>

> ==>It is better than synthetic thyroid, but still your body can become

> dependent upon them. Getting rid of the candida is most important

> because the toxins cause all of the body's cells to go rigid, which

> means even if your body is producing plenty of thyroid hormones they

> are not getting into the cells where they are needed to to their job.

> Also tests do not measure what is going on in the cells.

> >

> > I am seeing my homeopath tomorrow, I will see what he says.

> >

> > I could start my exercising again, I slacked for a long time. I

like to do both low-impact aerobics and yoga.

>

> ==>Good for you.

>

> Hugs, Bee

>

[Guest guest]

Tamara wrote:

>

> I saw my homeopath/osteopath today. He said that I don't need to take

any hormones, not even the armour thyroid; he thinks we can solve it

without any. He gave me a homeopathic remedy and he also did some

osteopathy bodywork on me.

==>That's excellent news Tamara! He's on the right track!

Luv, Bee

P.S. Tamara, would you please trim your messages? See the Candida

Group Information Folder on how to do it and why. Thanks so much!

[Guest guest]

Hi Bee,

I just figured out that I am having a severe thyroid problem. I can't

believe I did not pick up on this sooner, my mother takes thyroid

medication. I have been having serious mood swings, a lot of crying, my hair

is falling out, I have a hoarse voice, zero labido, dry, brittle, peeling

nails, dry hair, and this internal tense-ness that I just can't get rid of.

Here is my problem; I have been eating mostly cruciferous vegetables and I

think they are exacerbating the symptoms. I remember a week or so ago you

were advising someone that raw cabbage should be avoided by those that have

thyroid conditions (I didn't think this applied to me at the time) but that

kimchi, rejuvelac, sauerkraut, and cooked cabbage are ok. Well yesterday I

ate raw cabbage in the form of cole slaw, sauerkraut, and I had some

rejuvelac, mustard, raw turnip, and brussell sprouts and today I am

absolutely miserable. Angry, moody, very tense, and sad. With all that being

said what do I do? Do I need a hormone? Everytime I have been tested my

numbers are usually on the low end of normal but I also remember you telling

someone that the tests are not a good indicator because they don't indicate

what the hormone levels are inside the cells just that they are present in

the blood stream, if I understood this correctly. Does one need a

prescription for Armour? Do you think my Doc has ever heard of it? He hasn't

been helpful at all in my candida battle so I am leary of even broaching

this topic with him but I need some help, I can not live like this. I am

about to go out of my mind lately. Please advise me Bee.

Thanks,

Shirley

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi Bee,

>

> I just figured out that I am having a severe thyroid problem. I can't

> believe I did not pick up on this sooner, my mother takes thyroid

> medication. I have been having serious mood swings, a lot of crying, my hair

> is falling out, I have a hoarse voice, zero labido, dry, brittle, peeling

> nails, dry hair, and this internal tense-ness that I just can't get rid of.

Hi Shirley,

Just wanted to let you know that I have thyroid issues that have been diagnosed

and have

all the same symptoms (except for hoarse voice), but I do get pressure in my

throat. The

internal tenseness is terrible. I vibrate intenally sometimes. Many symptoms

can come

from other things too, but if your mother has it then that makes it a good

possibility.

> Does one need a

> prescription for Armour? Do you think my Doc has ever heard of it? He hasn't

> been helpful at all in my candida battle so I am leary of even broaching

> this topic with him but I need some help, I can not live like this. I am

> about to go out of my mind lately. Please advise me Bee.

>

Also, I am currently on Synthroid, but I know I need some armour. I found a

doctor that

will prescribe it just by going to the armour thyroid site. You can do a search

for a doctor

in your area that will prescribe it. I will see him in about 3 weeks. Most

doctors that

prescribe it tend to be a bit more open to alternative med., so i am hoping this

one I've

found will helpful with my candida battle as well. That would be great if you

could find the

same!

Trish

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the info and for sharing Trish. I did an experiment this morning,

I had some cabbage rejuvelac and within about 15 minutes I got the hoarse

voice. Then this afternoon I had about 1/2 cup of cooked turnip and within

30 minutes I got a seriously tense and stiff neck. I have been eating all

the wrong foods because I didn't know I had a thyroid problem. It is good to

find out exactly what is wrong but this narrows down my food choices

considerably. arrrgghhhh

Shirley

>From: " Trisha Mountan " <tmountan@...>

>Hi Shirley,

>

>Just wanted to let you know that I have thyroid issues that have been

>diagnosed and have

>all the same symptoms (except for hoarse voice), but I do get pressure in

>my throat. The

>internal tenseness is terrible. I vibrate intenally sometimes. Many

>symptoms can come

>from other things too, but if your mother has it then that makes it a good

>possibility.

>Also, I am currently on Synthroid, but I know I need some armour. I found

>a doctor that

>will prescribe it just by going to the armour thyroid site. You can do a

>search for a doctor

>in your area that will prescribe it. I will see him in about 3 weeks.

>Most doctors that

>prescribe it tend to be a bit more open to alternative med., so i am hoping

>this one I've

>found will helpful with my candida battle as well. That would be great if

>you could find the

>same!

>

>Trish

[Guest guest]

Shirley wrote:

> Hi Bee,

>

> I just figured out that I am having a severe thyroid problem. I

can't believe I did not pick up on this sooner, my mother takes

thyroid medication. I have been having serious mood swings, a lot of

crying, my hair is falling out, I have a hoarse voice, zero labido,

dry, brittle, peeling nails, dry hair, and this internal tense-ness

that I just can't get rid of.

> Here is my problem; I have been eating mostly cruciferous

vegetables and I think they are exacerbating the symptoms. I remember

a week or so ago you were advising someone that raw cabbage should be

avoided by those that have thyroid conditions (I didn't think this

applied to me at the time) but that kimchi, rejuvelac, sauerkraut,

and cooked cabbage are ok. Well yesterday I ate raw cabbage in the

form of cole slaw, sauerkraut, and I had some rejuvelac, mustard, raw

turnip, and brussell sprouts and today I am absolutely miserable.

Angry, moody, very tense, and sad.

>With all that being said what do I do? Do I need a hormone?

Everytime I have been tested my numbers are usually on the low end of

normal but I also remember you telling someone that the tests are not

a good indicator because they don't indicate what the hormone levels

are inside the cells just that they are present in the blood stream,

if I understood this correctly. Does one need a prescription for

Armour? Do you think my Doc has ever heard of it? He hasn't

been helpful at all in my candida battle so I am leary of even

broaching this topic with him but I need some help, I can not live

like this. I am about to go out of my mind lately. Please advise me

Bee.

==>Shirley, don't panic my friend. Your thyroid may be

malfunctioning or it's hormones may not be getting into the cells but

that is extremely common when you have candida, and your symptoms are

also very common but they are not necessarily all caused by a lack of

thyroid hormones. Everything points to a lack of good oils & fats,

including vitamins A, D & E, omega 3 and saturated fats (coconut oil,

butter, lard, etc.), and possibly B vitamins. If you are taking the

recommended amounts, you might need to UP your vitamin A for awhile -

take 100,000 IUs per day of halibut liver oil capsules (without

vitamin D), and after 1 months stop for 2-3 days, and then continue

another month. Hopefully within 2-3 months, if you are getting high

enough ratios of fats daily, plus this treatment your symptoms should

improve. Let me know how it goes.

>The cabbage family kills candida (broccoli included), and probiotics

do to, so your reactions may not be caused by your thyroid. I think

you had a lot of probiotics in one day, which could have created

healing reactions.

Bee

[Guest guest]

>

> Thanks for the info and for sharing Trish. I did an experiment this

morning, I had some cabbage rejuvelac and within about 15 minutes I

got the hoarse voice. Then this afternoon I had about 1/2 cup of

cooked turnip and within 30 minutes I got a seriously tense and stiff

neck. I have been eating all the wrong foods because I didn't know I

had a thyroid problem. It is good to find out exactly what is wrong

but this narrows down my food choices considerably. arrrgghhhh

==>Did you know that I lost my thyroid because it was tampered with

too much when I had candida in the late 1980s? At that time they

believed that basal body temperature was a measure of thyroid

malfunction and I was given natural dessicated thyroid, plus Lugol's

iodine. However body temperature and other related symptoms may

appear to because by thyroid malfunction when it isn't, and

overtreating or tampering with the thyroid can cause it to behave

quite irratically. Well, that's what happened to my thyroid. I got

serious Graves disease (overactive thyroid) and had to have it zapped

with radiation to avoid a heart attack or stroke.

==>Also Dr. Mercola does not recommend starting on thyroid meds, but

supporting the thyroid through supplements and diet - do a search on

www.mercola.com. The thyroid is not causing the problem when you

have candida, candida is. If one goes off into different directions

treating this and that we are doing what doctors do, and that is to

treat symptoms and not causes, which in the end will not help. As you

progress on the candida program your thyroid will normalize more and

more, and you will not experience the symptoms you have now.

Bee

[Guest guest]

Bee,

I am familiar with your thyroid history and I trust you implicitly but I

don't think I painted an accurate enough picture of my status. For the past

4 months on your diet I have been eating raw broccoli, turnip (cooked or

raw), dry mustard (in my mayo), raw cabbage, kimchi or sauerkraut and

recently the rejuvelac EVERYDAY. I had no clue I had a thyroid problem due

to my bloodwork coming back ok. So this whole time I have been eating too

many brassicas not knowing the consequences. I can REALLY appreciate what

you went through because if I did not figure this out I could have easily

had a heart attack. I was so stressed out and crying everyday and I had this

uncontrollable rage inside me constantly. I thought my school schedule was

just too much and I couldn't handle it.

Well, as soon as I eliminated the above mentioned foods I calmed right down.

I can not believe the difference! It took a few days but I feel like

everything is going to be ok now. My hair has stopped falling out as well

(best part) but I still have the raspy voice.

At this point though I am leary of going back to even the fermented cabbage

foods like sauerkraut or the rejuvelac. Can you recommend a good acidophilus

that I can get in the states? The Trophic brand you have suggested in the

past is about $20 USD just to have shipped. Also are there any other foods

or herbs/spices that you can think of that I should avoid?

I am curious what happens biochemically to me when I eat the cruciferous

veggies in conjunction with the thyroid. I read on Mercola's cite how

coconut oil is beneficial for metabolism and hormone production but more is

not better in this case either right? Is it possible to overstimulate the

thyroid with VCO and develop hyperthyroid?

I agree with your assessment of not treating symptoms because I know that

candida is responsible for ALL of my ailments and I also do not wish to go

on thyroid meds, organic or not, so if I stay the course it should correct

itself?

Thanks for being my rock when I needed it. I was in panic mode last week for

sure.

Shirley

>From: " Bee Wilder " <beeisbuzzing2003@...>

>==>Did you know that I lost my thyroid because it was tampered with

>too much when I had candida in the late 1980s? Well, that's what happened

>to my thyroid. I got serious Graves disease (overactive thyroid) and had to

>have it zapped

>with radiation to avoid a heart attack or stroke.

>==> The thyroid is not causing the problem when you

>have candida, candida is. If one goes off into different directions

>treating this and that we are doing what doctors do, and that is to

>treat symptoms and not causes, which in the end will not help. As you

>progress on the candida program your thyroid will normalize more and

>more, and you will not experience the symptoms you have now.

>Bee

[Guest guest]

>

> Bee,

>

> I am familiar with your thyroid history and I trust you implicitly

but I don't think I painted an accurate enough picture of my status.

For the past 4 months on your diet I have been eating raw broccoli,

turnip (cooked or raw), dry mustard (in my mayo), raw cabbage,

kimchi or sauerkraut and recently the rejuvelac EVERYDAY. I had no

clue I had a thyroid problem due to my bloodwork coming back ok. So

this whole time I have been eating too many brassicas not knowing

the consequences. I can REALLY appreciate what you went through

because if I did not figure this out I could have easily had a heart

attack.

==>Why do you say heart attack?

I was so stressed out and crying everyday and I had this

> uncontrollable rage inside me constantly. I thought my school

schedule was just too much and I couldn't handle it. Well, as soon as

I eliminated the above mentioned foods I calmed right down. I can not

believe the difference! It took a few days but I feel like everything

is going to be ok now. My hair has stopped falling out as well

> (best part) but I still have the raspy voice.

==>That's fabulous Shirley!!

>

> At this point though I am leary of going back to even the fermented

cabbage foods like sauerkraut or the rejuvelac.

==>Lacto-fermented foods do not contain goitergens.

Can you recommend a good acidophilus that I can get in the states?

The Trophic brand you have suggested in the past is about $20 USD

just to have shipped. Also are there any other foods or herbs/spices

that you can think of that I should avoid?

==>Maybe do an internet search of goitergens. If you post a separate

message with your city, etc. for the group they all might be able to

help you find a good brand.

>

> I am curious what happens biochemically to me when I eat the

cruciferous veggies in conjunction with the thyroid. I read on

Mercola's cite how coconut oil is beneficial for metabolism and

hormone production but more is not better in this case either right?

Is it possible to overstimulate the thyroid with VCO and develop

hyperthyroid?

==>No, it is not possible to overstimulate the thyroid with VCO!

>

> I agree with your assessment of not treating symptoms because I

know that candida is responsible for ALL of my ailments and I also do

not wish to go on thyroid meds, organic or not, so if I stay the

course it should correct itself?

==>Yes, it will correct itself as you progress on the candida program.

>

> Thanks for being my rock when I needed it. I was in panic mode last

week for sure.

==>You're welcome my friend!

Luv, Bee