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There is still the leaky gut aspect. Perhaps the leaky gut and virus theories are not exclusive of each other in that the leaky gut can cause damage to the blood brain barrier, thus allowing substances, such as viruses, to pass through to places they don't belong...

JT

----- Original Message -----

From: Johanne F

low dose naltrexone

Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2004 2:06 PM

Subject: [low dose naltrexone] question

If the recent hypothesis are correct MS comes from a virus. If this is so, since when do viruses care what we eat? All these special diets (BBD, Swank, etc) should have no effect if MS was caused by viruses? Just a thought.

[Guest guest]

You are probably right but the diets are probably beneficial to the

symptoms that arise from this virus and allows our bodies to perform

at its optimal capacity.

-- In low dose naltrexone , " Johanne F " <johannef@s...>

wrote:

> If the recent hypothesis are correct MS comes from a virus. If

this

> is so, since when do viruses care what we eat? All these special

> diets (BBD, Swank, etc) should have no effect if MS was caused by

> viruses?

>

> Just a thought.

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In a message dated 3/9/2005 9:05:23 AM Eastern Standard Time,

cscordell@... writes:

> Do we need to add something to help him feel better?

>

Refresh my memory...does he omit the Epsoms salts?

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 3/10/2005 8:52:33 AM Eastern Standard Time,

cscordell@... writes:

> Refresh my memory...does he omit the Epsoms salts?

> >

>

> You are correct. I was really wondering about that one. Opinions

My take on why a GB flush works like it does -- ie cleansing the body and

making you feel so much better -- is that the stones and sludge are forcibly

expelled from the GB and REMOVED from the body. The Epsom Salts handles the

removal part.

If he is not doing something to totally open his bowel -- to the point of

diarrhea for at least 36-48 hours -- he is probably reabsorbing the sludge and

stone remains and whatever is in its contents -- bacteria, virus, fungus,

chemical toxins -- back into his body. So basically he is just giving all that

junk

a nice round-trip.

If he doesnt like Epsom Salts there are MANY alternatives -- colonics, Oxy

Powder, manesium citrate (I think it comes bottled and you drink it -- I have

not used it), and the like to acheive the desired results -- colon open before,

during, and most especially AFTER the ingestation of the oil-mixture.

Until he does that I am not sure if he can expect much beyond what is

happening now since he seems to be a good " reabsorber " .

Hope that helps, (Atlanta)

[Guest guest]

> In a message dated 3/9/2005 9:05:23 AM Eastern Standard Time,

> cscordell@m... writes:

>

>

> > Do we need to add something to help him feel better?

> >

>

> Refresh my memory...does he omit the Epsoms salts?

>

You are correct. I was really wondering about that one. Opinions?

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 3/10/2005 3:25:40 PM Eastern Standard Time,

cscordell@... writes:

> Is it possible the GB is too far

> gone to heal? Any idea on how I would know if that was the case?

Let him flush within the framework of what the flush is designed to do. Try

several flushes.

I do not think as long as your husband is not in a death-transition state

which he clearly is, quite the contrary, very much in life, that any part of the

human body is " too far gone to heal. "

The question is simply what modality you are going to use to heal it.

Your choice is lifestyle-diet changes, supplements, drugs or surgery. My

prejudice is that surgery is the last straw when I KNOW beyond a shadow of a

doubt

I have exhausted all the other avenues. As long as you are asking questions

like the two above, my prejudice is that you have many other non-surgical

avenues still open to you.

What your husband might be well-served to do, is spend a little time reading

the archives of the different curezone lists where people who have had their

gallbladders removed still report ongoing issues.

Many people do quite well. Many do not and many of those end up here.

The issue is NOT that there are stones in the GB. The issue is that the Liver

makes stones and it does that with or without a GB.

He clearly has other serious digestive issues unrelated to this one. If he

were my husband I would be doing a Dr-Phil on him...telling him to " get real "

and get out of denial about how he got here and to take responsibility for his

own healing rather than sending you off to find ideas he doesn't really seem to

be terribly interested in.

I recently read something I have hung on my computer... a friend was talking

about her sister who she dearly loves who is making choices that may lead to

her premature death (she has small children and severe Crohn's).... " I cannot

worry myself to death or her to life. This is her path. This is really hard for

me to let her walk it .. "

I offer you this thought as possibly appropriate for you to ponder since you

seem to be working very hard and it seems like he is not as committed to this

path as you are.

Best wishes, (Atlanta)

[Guest guest]

> In a message dated 3/10/2005 8:52:33 AM Eastern Standard Time,

> cscordell@m... writes:

>

>

> > Refresh my memory...does he omit the Epsoms salts?

> > >

> >

> > You are correct. I was really wondering about that one. Opinions

>

> My take on why a GB flush works like it does -- ie cleansing the

Thanks for your response. I think I've convinced him to try the ES

this weekend for his next flush. Is it possible the GB is too far

gone to heal? Any idea on how I would know if that was the case? csc

[Guest guest]

Greetings All

I have been dealing with the die off and the general state of my body.

I am happy that I am still doing the garlic and loving all the new

ways of eating it... The parasites are not at all happy with me!

Now there is the newness of this season to enjoy!!!

It is the time of transition form one season to another. It will be

hard for some of us to continue but continue we must.

I am looking forward to a different Spring Summer one I have never

had before...one with my body healing itself and moving on to the

next stage...total recovery.

It might take a few years but if I do what I am suppose to do I will

make it with flying colors.

A drop off of a few days does nothing to my spirits...I am jsut soo

happy that I made the decision to put my feet on the path!!!

With that I leave you in good health and interesting days!!!

nieema

> Hi,

> How is everyone doing on their garlic/parasite

> cleanse?

> I fell off the wagon and just quit after 3 days or so.

> any parasites anyone?

> I'd like to get back on it again.

>

> http://smallbusiness./resources/

[Guest guest]

Greetings

Yes, I did see one last week! This one was a inch and

thread thin. I at times feel the things and it is not

very pleasant but I know they have to come out.

The ones that are rough to have come out are the tape

worms...they are in thousands of sections and they

come out looking like a piece of garlic...white and

smooth looking

You can take some things that will kill them also, but

taking these medications is not good for your body.

Yes, I did see the post that showed that garlic might

do things to your body too but I am less afraid of the

garlic then the med. I take medformine for my diabetes

and that is enough.

Remember that certain things are natural vermifuge ( a

substance that expels or destroys intestinal worms)

use them!

" Guess What came to Dinner " by Ann Lousie Gittleman is

a fun book for me it gives many things that you can do

to fight the worms!!!

Curezone has still more.

The best thing for the parasites is body balance....I

tell you...they do not like a healthy body!!!

Good health to us all

nieema

--- denise milfort <mllebondgirl007@...> wrote:

> Did you see parasites Neeima?

>

> --- nieema <nieema0@...> wrote:

> >

> > Greetings All

> >

> > I have been dealing with the die off and the

> general

> > state of my body.

> > I am happy that I am still doing the garlic and

> > loving all the new

> > ways of eating it... The parasites are not at

> > all happy with me!

> > Now there is the newness of this season to

> enjoy!!!

> > It is the time of transition form one season to

> > another. It will be

> > hard for some of us to continue but continue we

> > must.

> > I am looking forward to a different Spring Summer

> > one I have never

> > had before...one with my body healing itself and

> > moving on to the

> > next stage...total recovery.

> >

> > It might take a few years but if I do what I am

> > suppose to do I will

> > make it with flying colors.

> >

> > A drop off of a few days does nothing to my

> > spirits...I am jsut soo

> > happy that I made the decision to put my feet on

> the

> > path!!!

> >

> > With that I leave you in good health and

> interesting

> > days!!!

> >

> > nieema

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Lori -- you have a lovely, lovely name (see why below). I've had serious

gallstone attacks since 1985 and the products from sensiblehealth.com have done

wonders, including the gold coin grass. I did one flush figuring if I ended up

in the hospital, well, I'd end up there anyway so what did I have to lose? I

also followed the same book that was just recently mentioned, The Amazing

Liver/Gallbladder Flush by Moritz. Diet and lifestyle changes were also pretty

key for me as well, just not enough to overcome those attacks just to lessen

their frequency.

Lori (gee, we have the same name!)

----- Original Message -----

From: montaukoceanbreeze

gallstones

Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2005 7:18 AM

Subject: question

Hello

I am new to this board

I was diagnosed with galltsones in March.

[Guest guest]

Xoalir was tested on monkeys. Some of the monkeys were pregnant. The babies

were all born healthy. It seemed that Xolair did not affect the pregnancy. It

is transmitted in breast milk. I understand that monkeys are not humans, but

they pick the monkeys closest to humans. That being said, I would not advise

ANY drug in pregnancy. Our bodies sometimes sees the pregnancy as a 'foreign

invader'. Thats when babies are born early or sick, or worse. I can

hypothesize that it may have something to do with IgE and many other factors and

the pregnancy would be helped, but it has not been tested and I certianly don't

advocate it. By the time you are ready to have a baby, we'll know alot more.

As for right now, we have had several women who have elected to keep taking

their Xolair. All are still pregnant as far as I know. I haven't heard

anything throught the grapevine yet. BUT, it is a decision you and your

physicians should make together, the Allergist/Pulmonologist and

Obstetrician as well as yourself. I used to council women in a clinic, my

stock answer is " No smoking or being around anyone who smokes, no drugs, no IV

drugs, drink plenty of water, eat plenty of protein, have 6 milk servings a day

and stay away from anyone who is sick. By the way, did you know that smoke

stays on walls 7 months? On clothers for 7 days? and in hair atleast 7 hours?

Pat

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[Guest guest]

Hi :

So far, I'm just considering Xolair and haven't made a decision because I

don't think my problem is bad enough even though my IgE level is 320. I wonder

if it works better one month over another because one month the allergens might

be worse. I notice that in myself on regular allergy medicine -- one month I'm

better than another, or one day, or one week.

How did the nurse not mix the medicine correctly?

Carol

wrote:

I just found this message board so I'm anxious to ask a few

questions. My IgE levels are actually quite low at 44, compared to

some of the numbers I have heard. Xolair (150) does work for me but

only some of the times. When I began getting the shot I didn't

notice an improvement for about 3 months, which is typical. The

shots have kicked in but it seems it will work one month but not the

next so I'm wondering if anyone has had the same result.

I had one occasion when the nurse didn't mix the medication properly

and I found there was no effect for the entire month. I've heard

the injection site will become irritated if the meds aren't mixed

right but I haven't heard whether the shot will actually work or not.

My most recent shot was mixed properly (I'm basing this on the

length of time it takes the nurse to push it) but I feel as though I

haven't had the shot at all. My rescue inhaler usage has gone from

about 1x/day (when shot is working) to 5, 6, and 7x/day.

I'm wondering if any other Xolair patients have experienced similar

results - i.e. works one month but not the next?

Thanks,

P.S. I'm also taking Advair 500/50, Alupent (Albuterol doesn't work

for me), and Flonase. I'm moderate and persistent and, fortunately,

not dependant on Prednisone.

[Guest guest]

Hi Carol,

The meds are supposed to be mixed for at least 20 minutes. The shot is very

thick so it's very hard for the nurse to push. She tried mixing it for just a

few minutes on one occasion to make it easier for her to push it. I suspect

that didn't allow enough time for the meds to mix properly with the water. I

probably received only a fraction of the dose on that visit.

Carol Corley <mybouvs@...> wrote:

Hi :

So far, I'm just considering Xolair and haven't made a decision because I

don't think my problem is bad enough even though my IgE level is 320. I wonder

if it works better one month over another because one month the allergens might

be worse. I notice that in myself on regular allergy medicine -- one month I'm

better than another, or one day, or one week.

How did the nurse not mix the medicine correctly?

Carol

wrote:

I just found this message board so I'm anxious to ask a few

questions. My IgE levels are actually quite low at 44, compared to

some of the numbers I have heard. Xolair (150) does work for me but

only some of the times. When I began getting the shot I didn't

notice an improvement for about 3 months, which is typical. The

shots have kicked in but it seems it will work one month but not the

next so I'm wondering if anyone has had the same result.

I had one occasion when the nurse didn't mix the medication properly

and I found there was no effect for the entire month. I've heard

the injection site will become irritated if the meds aren't mixed

right but I haven't heard whether the shot will actually work or not.

My most recent shot was mixed properly (I'm basing this on the

length of time it takes the nurse to push it) but I feel as though I

haven't had the shot at all. My rescue inhaler usage has gone from

about 1x/day (when shot is working) to 5, 6, and 7x/day.

I'm wondering if any other Xolair patients have experienced similar

results - i.e. works one month but not the next?

Thanks,

P.S. I'm also taking Advair 500/50, Alupent (Albuterol doesn't work

for me), and Flonase. I'm moderate and persistent and, fortunately,

not dependant on Prednisone.

[Guest guest]

--- In , " meencantador " <meencantador@...>

wrote:

>

> I find most times I think I have a cold but it turns out to be allergies

>

>

> Anyone else experience that?

>

Just about everyone (wink)

[Guest guest]

Yep!

uca79iii <bme1979@...> wrote: --- In

, " meencantador " <meencantador@...>

wrote:

>

> I find most times I think I have a cold but it turns out to be allergies

>

>

> Anyone else experience that?

>

Just about everyone (wink)

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[Guest guest]

Yes. I don't do big time aerobics or run around playing soccer in newly mown

fields, but I can go to the gym, do the treadmill, the bike, and weights without

any problems.

Addy

Group co-owner

>

> I know it takes a while for the xolair to work and has anyone had the chest

tighest go away and be able to work out at the gym once it works.

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you for your answer

Ed

> >

> > I know it takes a while for the xolair to work and has anyone had the chest

tighest go away and be able to work out at the gym once it works.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I started Xolair in Jan.  My peak flow at the time was around 400, not too bad,

but not all that hot either.  My flows are back up to 600-650.  Last Sunday I

rode my bike 3+ miles to Church and was able to still sing in the choir. 

Everything in my church is sung/chanted, so it was a 2 hour sing-a-thon.  I then

rode my bike home.  I admit, by the time I was home, I wa exhausted.  Not all

that long ago I was able to ride 15-20 miles per day.  The 6 did me in, but it

is a start.  Once upon a time I swam 15-18 laps, 3x per week.  The pool is my

next target.  If it's a drug making an improvement in me, then it's the Xolair.

 Mike McBride

" Failure is not fatal unless you quit; getting knocked down is not embarrassing

unless you allow it to keep you down. " Ashcroft

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From: dem290 <dem290@...>

Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2009 4:40:51 AM

Subject: [ ] Question

I know it takes a while for the xolair to work and has anyone had the chest

tighest go away and be able to work out at the gym once it works.

[Guest guest]

as long as i'm not sick, i can do 30 minutes on my elliptical without a big

problem. i usually pre-treat before exercising.

heather

> >

> > I know it takes a while for the xolair to work and has anyone had the chest

tighest go away and be able to work out at the gym once it works.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

There is a documentary that followed a group of Chimps for 20 years. I think it was call "Children of the Forrest" Anyway, one day there was a huge storm and the young males stood out in the rain screaming and beating their breast. The women, kids and old folks sat under large leaves. They kept this up til the storm passed and I could see right there how the must have thought that they scared it away. From that point it isn't a far jump to leaving something to eat at the foot of a rumbling mountain to appease the volcano.