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Guest guest Posted March 5, 2007 Report Share Posted March 5, 2007 Thanks for those links...i will look at them and if tomorrow my doc says no...then i guess it will be onward and upwardAOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2007 Report Share Posted March 5, 2007 > > I took the information on LDN to my doc...but here nurses said she more > than likely would prescribe it to me. So therefore i am saying I am > willing to go anywhere to a doc that will prescribe it. I live in VA, > and like i said I am willing to go anywhere and so is my mother. Any > other doctors names and numbers would be very much welcome. I will hear > from my doc tomorrow but really that is all up in the air. > For a doctor who prescribes LDN: ask http://ldn.proboards3.com/index.cgi or Crystal http://www.freewebs.com/crystalangel6267/index.htm or Cyndi http://www.skipspharmacy.com/ Good luck. Artie -- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2008 Report Share Posted February 10, 2008 I had one attack. Was in ER and then admitted to the hospital. They left the IV in my arm and " blew " my vein, so it can't even be used for blood tests any more. Dr. wanted to schedule me for surgery. I refused. Said I wanted to go home and do some research. I did 3 flushes. I take A-F Betafood daily. I learned that many people never have another attack. My attack was two years ago next month. I still have my GB and have had no more attacks. Amber How do you deal with the immediate pain? If the pain eases up do you see a Dr or just try more flushes? If it won't ease up do you go to the ER? If so do you refuse surgery? If you refuse, what do you do once you leave the ER? I'm just curious becasue I know some have had one attack and no more so you assume everything is working fine, but what if your gallbladder is actaully inflammed and the stones are just sitting there waiting for the " right time " ? Some Dr's believe in the wait and see approach because some people have one attack and are lucky enough to never have another, even if they don't cahnge their diet or do flushes. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2008 Report Share Posted February 10, 2008 Hi, my situation was similar to Amber's. I stayed in the emergency for a few hours, I had some test to make sure I was not suffering from anything else. My ultrasound showed stones blocking my duct. My doctor said I should have surgery. I saw the specialist and he agreed. I saw my GP and he said I could wait until it got better or my blood work got worse or my symptoms got worse. I just had intense pain. I changed the way I ate. I expercised and I recovered for the most part. I still watch for symptoms, but 5 years has gone by without trouble. Mike t. > > I had one attack. Was in ER and then admitted to the hospital. They left the IV in my arm and " blew " my vein, so it can't even be used for blood tests any more. Dr. wanted to schedule me for surgery. I refused. Said I wanted to go home and do some research. I did 3 flushes. I take A-F Betafood daily. I learned that many people never have another attack. My attack was two years ago next month. I still have my GB and have had no more attacks. > > Amber > > > > > How do you deal with the immediate pain? If the > pain eases up do you see a Dr or just try more flushes? If it won't > ease up do you go to the ER? If so do you refuse surgery? If you > refuse, what do you do once you leave the ER? I'm just curious > becasue I know some have had one attack and no more so you assume > everything is working fine, but what if your gallbladder is actaully > inflammed and the stones are just sitting there waiting for the " right > time " ? Some Dr's believe in the wait and see approach because some > people have one attack and are lucky enough to never have another, > even if they don't cahnge their diet or do flushes. > > > > > . > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2008 Report Share Posted February 10, 2008 Five years! That's fabulous. Very inspiring, too. Amber Hi, my situation was similar to Amber's. I stayed in the emergency for a few hours, I had some test to make sure I was not suffering from anything else. My ultrasound showed stones blocking my duct. My doctor said I should have surgery. I saw the specialist and he agreed. I saw my GP and he said I could wait until it got better or my blood work got worse or my symptoms got worse. I just had intense pain. I changed the way I ate. I expercised and I recovered for the most part. I still watch for symptoms, but 5 years has gone by without trouble. Mike t. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2008 Report Share Posted February 10, 2008 Amber, I had remembered your info, which is what actually got me thinking about this topic. So my question was actually what would you do if an attack happened again, after the flushes, and while eating well and using the A-F Betafood. What would you do if you had another attack with the lifestyle you have now? ________________________________________________________________________________\ ____ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile./;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2008 Report Share Posted February 10, 2008 If this happened to me I would do surgery on myself immediately. Just kidding - Saturday night humor. ----- Original Message ---- From: 7774 <tanya7774@...> gallstones Sent: Saturday, February 9, 2008 11:12:31 PM Subject: Re: Re: What if Amber, I had remembered your info, which is what actually got me thinking about this topic. So my question was actually what would you do if an attack happened again, after the flushes, and while eating well and using the A-F Betafood. What would you do if you had another attack with the lifestyle you have now? ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile. / ;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR 8HDtDypao8Wcj9tA cJ <!-- #ygrp-mkp{ border:1px solid #d8d8d8;font-family:Arial;margin:14px 0px;padding:0px 14px;} #ygrp-mkp hr{ border:1px solid #d8d8d8;} #ygrp-mkp #hd{ color:#628c2a;font-size:85%;font-weight:bold;line-height:122%;margin:10px 0px;} #ygrp-mkp #ads{ margin-bottom:10px;} #ygrp-mkp .ad{ padding:0 0;} #ygrp-mkp .ad a{ color:#0000ff;text-decoration:none;} --> <!-- #ygrp-sponsor #ygrp-lc{ font-family:Arial;} #ygrp-sponsor #ygrp-lc #hd{ margin:10px 0px;font-weight:bold;font-size:78%;line-height:122%;} #ygrp-sponsor #ygrp-lc .ad{ margin-bottom:10px;padding:0 0;} --> <!-- #ygrp-mlmsg {font-size:13px;font-family:arial, helvetica, clean, sans-serif;} #ygrp-mlmsg table {font-size:inherit;font:100%;} #ygrp-mlmsg select, input, textarea {font:99% arial, helvetica, clean, sans-serif;} #ygrp-mlmsg pre, code {font:115% monospace;} #ygrp-mlmsg * {line-height:1.22em;} #ygrp-text{ font-family:Georgia; } #ygrp-text p{ margin:0 0 1em 0;} #ygrp-tpmsgs{ font-family:Arial; clear:both;} #ygrp-vitnav{ padding-top:10px;font-family:Verdana;font-size:77%;margin:0;} #ygrp-vitnav a{ padding:0 1px;} #ygrp-actbar{ clear:both;margin:25px 0;white-space:nowrap;color:#666;text-align:right;} #ygrp-actbar .left{ float:left;white-space:nowrap;} ..bld{font-weight:bold;} #ygrp-grft{ font-family:Verdana;font-size:77%;padding:15px 0;} #ygrp-ft{ font-family:verdana;font-size:77%;border-top:1px solid #666; padding:5px 0; } #ygrp-mlmsg #logo{ padding-bottom:10px;} #ygrp-vital{ background-color:#e0ecee;margin-bottom:20px;padding:2px 0 8px 8px;} #ygrp-vital #vithd{ font-size:77%;font-family:Verdana;font-weight:bold;color:#333;text-transform:upp\ ercase;} #ygrp-vital ul{ padding:0;margin:2px 0;} #ygrp-vital ul li{ list-style-type:none;clear:both;border:1px solid #e0ecee; } #ygrp-vital ul li .ct{ font-weight:bold;color:#ff7900;float:right;width:2em;text-align:right;padding-ri\ ght:.5em;} #ygrp-vital ul li .cat{ font-weight:bold;} #ygrp-vital a{ text-decoration:none;} #ygrp-vital a:hover{ text-decoration:underline;} #ygrp-sponsor #hd{ color:#999;font-size:77%;} #ygrp-sponsor #ov{ padding:6px 13px;background-color:#e0ecee;margin-bottom:20px;} #ygrp-sponsor #ov ul{ padding:0 0 0 8px;margin:0;} #ygrp-sponsor #ov li{ list-style-type:square;padding:6px 0;font-size:77%;} #ygrp-sponsor #ov li a{ text-decoration:none;font-size:130%;} #ygrp-sponsor #nc{ background-color:#eee;margin-bottom:20px;padding:0 8px;} #ygrp-sponsor .ad{ padding:8px 0;} #ygrp-sponsor .ad #hd1{ font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold;color:#628c2a;font-size:100%;line-height:122%\ ;} #ygrp-sponsor .ad a{ text-decoration:none;} #ygrp-sponsor .ad a:hover{ text-decoration:underline;} #ygrp-sponsor .ad p{ margin:0;} o{font-size:0;} ..MsoNormal{ margin:0 0 0 0;} #ygrp-text tt{ font-size:120%;} blockquote{margin:0 0 0 4px;} ..replbq{margin:4;} --> ________________________________________________________________________________\ ____ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile./;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2008 Report Share Posted February 10, 2008 What I PERSONALLY would do would be to discuss it with my N.D. again to find out what was going on, what else I could do to save my GB. I have felt a little queasy once in awhile and I've taken a few more A-F Betafood tablets and a gas-x tablet (just in case) and, so far, that has solved my problem. I would do whatever my N.D. suggested. But that's just me. Amber Amber, I had remembered your info, which is what actually got me thinking about this topic. So my question was actually what would you do if an attack happened again, after the flushes, and while eating well and using the A-F Betafood. What would you do if you had another attack with the lifestyle you have now? . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2008 Report Share Posted February 10, 2008 Wow, that creates quite a visual. You lying on your kitchen table with a scalpel in your hand. Amber If this happened to me I would do surgery on myself immediately. Just kidding - Saturday night humor. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2008 Report Share Posted February 11, 2008 I believe all the supplements like A-F Betafood, Milk Thistle . etc which most of take in this group is to have good liver function. None of them dissolve the gallstones present in gallbladder. By taking these supplements and maintaining a good diet, we may stop the formation of new gallstones and from occasionally liver flush get rid of old gallstones..so we are like entering the zone of millions of other who have silent gallstones and are not aware of them...The only difference we are aware of them and preventing to get a GB attack --- 7774 <tanya7774@...> wrote: > Amber, > > I had remembered your info, which is what actually > got > me thinking about this topic. So my question was > actually what would you do if an attack happened > again, after the flushes, and while eating well and > using the A-F Betafood. What would you do if you > had > another attack with the lifestyle you have now? > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________\ ____ > Be a better friend, newshound, and > know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. > http://mobile./;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2008 Report Share Posted June 9, 2008 Hi Lilian - dont worry about not having a doctor - everyone is entitled to a GP and if your doctor expels you from his list then you contact the PCT, who will allocate you to a GPs list and they have to take you. If this is the best health you have had for years then I wouldnt contemplate coming off the Armour for a minute. Also, if he doesnt have time to read letters from patients then he probably wants complaining about anyway - so keep that up your sleeve. Sounds like you might be better off with another GP who is prepared to learn and listen to patients - but I guess that depends on what the alternatives are like! Gill What would happen if I had no doctor and no others would take me on because they all think the same way round this area. Because of my various conditions I need to see a doctor quite often. What does one do when one does not have a doctor? Internal Virus Database is out-of-date.Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.6/1192 - Release Date: 21/12/07 13:17 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2008 Report Share Posted June 9, 2008 Hiya I wouldn't even contemplate coming off something which had made me well for the sake of a doctor, he doesn't have to live in your body, you do. Why would you make yourself ill again for the sake of doctors? They are supposed to be there for the good of your health, not to make you regress into illness (although it appears this is what often happens unfortunately). If he takes you off his list for feeling better then good riddance I say. lotsa luv Dawnx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2008 Report Share Posted June 9, 2008 Gill, he is 'another' doctor. I changed him from my previous one because the previous one kept me on his patient list but refused to treat me when I went to see him about anything, saying the remedy was in my own hands (meaning stop taking the T3). It came to a head when I had cellulites (infection of the skin on the legs which as a diabetic this can be quite serious), and for three months he refused to treat me saying again, the remedy was in my own hands. In our surgery they do not allow you to see another doctor other than your own so I was in a catch 22 situation. They say that is what most patients want. The doctor said by law I was not allowed to accept responsibility for medication which the doctor believes will hurt me. Are they secretly trying to get rid of the weak and infirm in an insidious underhanded way. After all the weak and infirm are growing and they are a big burden on the NHS on the pensions and those to come, and social security. If a lot more people would die off by natural causes just think of how much money would be saved for those fit enough to spend it. Lilian dont worry about not having a doctor - everyone is entitled to a GP and if your doctor expels you from his list then you contact the PCT, who will allocate you to a GPs list and they have to take you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2008 Report Share Posted June 9, 2008 Hi Lilian - I dont know what to suggest Im afraid - it sounds a funny practice - patients are now registered with a practice and not a GP these days. The GP cant dictate to you what you can do or take as long as its not illegal -0 if you mean that he doesnt have to take responsibility for you taking medication he believes might harm you, then he is probably correct, but he is responsible for treating you for other things. I woudl be inclined to speak to the PCT about this. Is there no other practice you could go to? Gill _._,_ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2008 Report Share Posted June 10, 2008 Hi Lilian I have to say that rightly or wrongly my endo doesn't know that i am still taking Armour and I will not tell her when i see her nxt. She thinks i am taking a T4/T3 combo but like you i was starting to feel well on Armour and in my opinion if it ain't broke ........ If you need to see your doctor for other reasons then they are totally unrelated to your thyroid problems and after 5 years i am sure you are more than competant to manage your own meds. We must do what we can to stay well. Ali X Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2008 Report Share Posted June 10, 2008 Hi Ali I think most of us are competent to manage our own medications much more than our NHS doctor is. The only thing I worry about is if any of us have an emergency admission to hospital and they look on your medical notes to see what medication you are taking, and they miss out on Armour thyroid because it just ain't there. I am lucky in that I do get Armour on the NHS so I don't have that concern, but it really is something to think about. Luv - Sheila > > Hi Lilian > > I have to say that rightly or wrongly my endo doesn't know that i am > still taking Armour and I will not tell her when i see her nxt. She > thinks i am taking a T4/T3 combo but like you i was starting to feel > well on Armour and in my opinion if it ain't broke ........ If you need > to see your doctor for other reasons then they are totally unrelated to > your thyroid problems and after 5 years i am sure you are more than > competant to manage your own meds. We must do what we can to stay well. > > Ali > X > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2008 Report Share Posted June 10, 2008 Hi Lilian, The thought of stopping Armour terrifies me. Years ago between private docs I tried T4/T3 combo instead of Armour /T3. I felt dreadful almost immediately- couldn’t think straight, sleepy, weight gain. In your shoes I would seriously consider finding another doc, you don’t want to lose all you have worked so hard for. Yes, because of the T3 content you would have to stop T4 for a while, then ramp up the Armour dose, just like at the start.. Subject: What if If I do stop Armour and just take the thyroxine and after a blood test (8 weeks) want to start Armour again, do I have to start from small again and work up to the 5 grains I have been taking? It has taken 5 years to be as well as I am now. What would happen if I had no doctor and no others would take me on because they all think the same way round this area. Because of my various conditions I need to see a doctor quite often. What does one do when one does not have a doctor? Lilian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2008 Report Share Posted June 10, 2008 hiya; does anyone know how long one would have to stay off armour before a blood test for it not to show. i was just thinking that if you had a "difficult" doctor that you were unable to have a rational discussion about armour with, you could just not mention it. jane Sent from . A Smarter Email. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2008 Report Share Posted June 11, 2008 hi Jane It would be best to stop taking your Armour for at least 24 hours before a blood test because if you take it the day of the test, the T3 (the active hormone) might 'peak' and give a wrong reading. Many doctors who test patients who have not stopped their Armour or T3 before the test think their patients are taking too much, and try to persuade them to cut down. This is wrong, of course, so to stop the possibility of this happening, try to stop it for as long as you can before the test. As there will be some T4 left because it has a long half life, you will survive a couple of days fine. luv - Sheila > > hiya; & nbsp; does anyone know how long one would have to stay off armour before a blood test for it not to show. & nbsp; i was just thinking that if you had a " difficult " doctor that you were unable to have a rational discussion about armour with, you could just not mention it. & nbsp; & nbsp; jane > > > __________________________________________________________ > Sent from . > A Smarter Email http://uk.docs./nowyoucan.html > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2008 Report Share Posted June 11, 2008 Hi Sheila, I keep a list of my meds in my purse together with my NHS exemption card for just this reason. Subject: Re: What if Hi Ali I think most of us are competent to manage our own medications much more than our NHS doctor is. The only thing I worry about is if any of us have an emergency admission to hospital and they look on your medical notes to see what medication you are taking,. Luv - Sheila ------------------------------------ Messages are not a substitute for professional medical advice. Always consult with a suitably qualified practitioner before changing medication. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2008 Report Share Posted June 11, 2008 Hi Jane, The T3 would be out of the system in 1-2 days, but the T4 would take up to 6 weeks to go which is a very long time to be without meds and possibly dangerous to your health. Subject: Re: What if hiya; does anyone know how long one would have to stay off armour before a blood test for it not to show. i was just thinking that if you had a " difficult " doctor that you were unable to have a rational discussion about armour with, you could just not mention it. jane Sent from . A Smarter Email. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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