How can MS cause CCSVI?

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Search· Home· Profile· Find Friends· Account o Carol Belluccioo Edit Friendso Use Facebook as Pageo Account Settingso Privacy Settingso Help Centero · CCSVI in Multiple Sclerosis's Notes (0)· Notes About CCSVI in Multiple Sclerosis (0)Browse Notes· Friends' Notes (0)· Pages' Notes (0)· My Notes (0)· My Drafts (0)· Notes About Me (0)Subscribe· CCSVI in Multiple Sclerosis's NotesReportHow can MS cause CCSVI?by CCSVI in Multiple Sclerosis on Friday, April 15, 2011 at 5:34pmWe have many astute readers on this page....here are some of your insights into the latest in the chicken and egg debate of which came first, MS or CCSVI??? If MS comes first, then why do some people in the normal population have CCSVI? How did they get it if they don't have MS?? IF MS comes first, then why are doctors finding congenital truncular venous malformations in people with CCSVI? Why are they finding webs, septum, upside down valves? How could MS create these congenital malformations? If MS comes first, how does it make a vein disappear? If MS comes first, then why did Dr. Dake find CCSVI in a woman whose Mom had MS? He diagnosed her with CCSVI before she ever got an MS diagnosis. Dr. Zivadinov did the same thing....he tested a daughter of a woman with MS in the Buffalo study. She was in the " normal " group. She had CCSVI and developed MS months later. Why? If MS comes first, it would be the only vascular disease created by an unknown, incurable disease. Budd-Chiari, a venous disease of the liver, starts with venous obstruction which leads to liver damage. May-Thurner, the disease of the legs, starts with a venous obstruction. All other diseases of venous congestion begin with a venous obstruction. As a matter of fact, they all have the EXACT same venous malformations being found in CCSVI. If MS comes first, then why are other researchers studying neurodegenerative diseases finding links to the vascular system? In recent years, Alzheimers, dementia, Parkinsons are all being looked at as potential diseases of impeded cerebral bloodflow. If MS comes first, then why does the immune system act the exact same way in all other neurovascular disease? Why do t-cells attack myelin basic protein in the same manner in stroke, dementia, and other ischemic events in the brain? What would make MS so unusual that it could activate the immune system and create congenital venous malformations, too? ??????? The truth is, there is no plausible explanation for how MS could cause CCSVI. Ask a vascular doctor....they'll tell you they've never seen anything like it in any other venous disease. Ockham's Razor comes to mind---it is a principle that generally recommends selecting the competing hypothesis that makes the fewest new assumptions, when the hypotheses are equal in other respects Accepting that MS causes CCSVI makes too many new assumptions that are not compatible with the current, known research. In other words....there's no way. No how. Let's quit wasting time with semantics, and get back to the research. please. Joan

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It has been proven that Lyme disease has been the cause of a decent percentage of many neuro and autoimmune conditions including MS, ALS, PD, Alzh', CFS, Fibromyalgia, etc. Dr. K. in Seattle says, "...that in the last five years, they have not had a single MS, ALS or Parkinsons disease patient that has not tested positive for Borrelia Burgdorferi (Lyme disease)." (quote from `Under Our Skin' documentary)The Lyme bacteria , "Borrelia Burgdorferi"

burrows through flesh in all parts of the body. Some doctors in this field are hypothesizing that the Borrelia is burrowing into the jugular vein walls and damaging the endothelium layer of the vein and causing the stenosis. If this hypothesis is proven to be true, it would provide clear answers to every question posed in the post below.Food for thought.... From: Carol Belluccio <cbelluccio@...>Subject: [low dose naltrexone] How can MS cause CCSVI?MSWatchers , "MSCHAT" <MSchat@...>, "NY KIKI" <NOCLUE915@...>, "DUMINUCO,DEBRA" <zdum@...>, "LARRY" <larrymac59@...>, LDN_Users , LDNAware , "LOW DOSE NALTREXONE" <low dose naltrexone >, "MS CAUCUS NDP MULTIPLE SCLORSIS" <NDPMULTIPLESCLEROSISCAUCUSGROUPS (DOT) COM>, "MS_Community" <MS_Community >, "JOE O'CONNOR"

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venous disease of the liver, starts with venous obstruction which leads to liver damage. May-Thurner, the disease of the legs, starts with a venous obstruction. All other diseases of venous congestion begin with a venous obstruction. As a matter of fact, they all have the EXACT same venous malformations being found in CCSVI. If MS comes first, then why are other researchers studying neurodegenerative diseases finding links to the vascular system? In recent years, Alzheimers, dementia, Parkinsons are all being looked at as potential diseases of impeded cerebral bloodflow. If MS comes first, then why does the immune system act the exact same way in all other neurovascular disease? Why do t-cells attack myelin basic protein in the same manner in stroke, dementia, and other ischemic events in the brain? What would make MS so unusual that it could activate the immune system and create congenital venous malformations, too? ??????? The truth is, there is no plausible explanation for how MS could cause CCSVI. Ask a vascular doctor....they'll tell you they've never seen anything like it in any other venous disease. Ockham's Razor comes to mind---it is a principle that generally recommends selecting the competing hypothesis that makes the fewest new assumptions, when the hypotheses are equal in other respects Accepting that MS causes CCSVI makes too many

new assumptions that are not compatible with the current, known research. In other words....there's no way. No how. Let's quit wasting time with semantics, and get back to the research. please. Joan