Probiotics

[Guest guest]

Yes, that is a form of sugar. Sorry, I can't suggest another brand as

I'm in South Africa and the same brands are not sold here.

Actually this gives me the chance to make a point I've been wanting to

make to those from America and Europe. The brands that sell in the rest

of the world are often very different. It is also quite useless to

suggest that it be bought on the internet, as many places will not

accept credit card orders from places such as South Africa (the first 4

digits of the credit card number are country specific and orders are

often rejected based on that). Therefore, it is better, if you are

giving advice to those from other countries to suggest the substance,

but not a specific product. Then the person can find that substance

(such as caprylic acid) in whatever form it is available in their

country.

I sometimes am quite envious of the various products available in

America. I wish they were all available here, especially Candex, which

sounds good.

Keen

Probiotics

Hi..

I take Brand PB8, Probiotic , acidophilus .. Any other brand that

would

be better? I noticed there was rice maltodextrin in the ingredients. Is

this

not a form of sugar?

Thanks

Diane M

[Guest guest]

Diane, although its a commonly held belief that acidophilus and

other lactobacilli strains are powerful probiotic performers, the

belief is not supported by the knowldge we have today.

Lactobacilli numbers rise as a person ages and are elevated in

the eldery gut, but so are the numbers of pathogenic organisms.

This means the lactobacilli aren't really maintaining control of

the situation very well, and it shows; many elderly have a tough

time with bowel discomfort and have to stringently restrict

certain foods avoid it. This is a common cycle, as it results in

an ever-narrowing food selection until malnutrition occurs.

However, even small fluctuations in bifidobacteria numbers cause

large differences in the rest of the population, lactobacilli

included. This is the power performer, and you don't even have to

take it as a probiotic to get the effect.

Bifidobacteria already in your gut can be fed to increase in

numbers. What this does is allow the active culture to actively

compete in their environment; capsules can not produce this

activity with its results, and even if you take capsules you

should be feeding the culture.

The science has been in common and continuous use for about 5,000

years without using probiotic capsules. Ancient cultures used

inulin-containing food to reverse bowel disorders; we have the

advantage of being able to take sufficient amounts of powdered

inulin that we can avoid the big dietary changes that we should

really be undertaking.

> I take Brand PB8, Probiotic , acidophilus .. Any other brand that

> would be better? I noticed there was rice maltodextrin in the

> ingredients. Is this not a form of sugar?

>

> Thanks

> Diane M

So, to answer the question, feeding the culture is much more

important than taking a culture.

Duncan

[Guest guest]

My personal belief, based on quite a bit of research, is that you need

to continually put good bacteria into your body - for life. This can

easily and cheaply be done by eating probiotic foods such as

sauerkraut or any other lacto-fermented food or beverage. Not only do

you get good bacteria, you also get increased nutritional value and

much needed enzymes. Live, fermented foods are missing from the

modern diet and I believe this is part of the cause of much illness.

Jan

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> When there is a lack or imbalance of the probiotics in ones body,

can

> it return to the normal level at some point by re-introduing

> probiotics with use of supplements without continuing the use of the

> supplement forever.

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[Guest guest]

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> When there is a lack or imbalance of the probiotics in ones body, can

> it return to the normal level at some point by re-introduing

> probiotics with use of supplements without continuing the use of the

> supplement forever.

==>After I cured my candida in the mid 1980s I didn't have to continue

taking probiotics and I didn't know about how helpful sauerkraut,

kimchi and other lacto-fermented foods are for digestion, so I didn't

have those either. I seemed to do fine for 18 years without

supplementing. Once you've implanted probiotics properly your body

should keep a balance just fine, unless you take antibiotics, other

medical drugs, etc. or don't maintain a good nutritious diet.

Bee

[Guest guest]

My 7-yr old son was prescribed to take Bifidus Balance +FOS by the

nutritionist. He has severe/anaphylactic allergy to dairy, egg seafood, and

peanuts/all nuts. I called the manufacturer to inquire about dairy in this

probiotic and he claimed that all probiotics have traces of dairy during the

manufacturing. I am hesitant to give any to my son. Is anyone out there in

the same situation? Is it safe to give him the probiotic?

Leah

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[Guest guest]

=== There is a company called Enzymedica that makes probiotics that

are 100% vegetarian and vegan, so there should be no milk in their

products. There is another company called Mt. Capra who makes their

probiotics from goats milk. These are two that may be worth

researching.

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> My 7-yr old son was prescribed to take Bifidus Balance +FOS by the

> nutritionist. He has severe/anaphylactic allergy to dairy, egg

seafood, and

> peanuts/all nuts. I called the manufacturer to inquire about

dairy in this

> probiotic and he claimed that all probiotics have traces of dairy

during the

> manufacturing. I am hesitant to give any to my son. Is anyone

out there in

> the same situation? Is it safe to give him the probiotic?

>

> Leah

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[Guest guest]

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> My 7-yr old son was prescribed to take Bifidus Balance +FOS by the

> nutritionist. He has severe/anaphylactic allergy to dairy, egg

seafood, and peanuts/all nuts. I called the manufacturer to inquire

about dairy in this probiotic and he claimed that all probiotics have

traces of dairy during the manufacturing. I am hesitant to give any

to my son. Is anyone out there in the same situation? Is it safe to

give him the probiotic?

==>I didn't know that all probiotics contain traces of dairy, but in

any case FOS is not recommended - see the article on it in the files.

Your son would do very well on Cabbage Rejuvelac - recipe in my

article or in our Recipe Folder. In fact I've known babies that

slurped when drinking it because they love it so much! lol!

Bee

[Guest guest]

Sue wrote:

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> Hi bee, I have been taking probiotics since may of 2005. ALthough

on your program that is the last thing introduced. I have been

following your diet for 3 weeks now with great success, but i am

concerned about stopping the pro's. Is that necessary?

> The only anti-fungal i have introduced is the coconut oil and at that

only at 1`/4 tsp daily(for 3 days now). I am having some tiredness and

shoulder acheness. I don't do well with anti fungals so i am taking it

slowly.

==>No, you do not have to stop taking probiotics because it does

provide other health benefits, but it is difficult to almost impossible

to implant proper bacteria in the gut until most of the candida is

killed of.

Bee

[Guest guest]

Bee,

How is it that this can be determined and couldn't it be possible

to crowd out the yeast with good bacteria? Or is there just no

room for the good bacteria to adhere to if the gut is loaded with

candida?

Shirley

>From: " Bee Wilder " <beeisbuzzing2003@...>

>==> but it is difficult to almost impossible to implant proper bacteria in

>the gut until most of the candida is

>killed off.

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>Bee

[Guest guest]

Shirley wrote:

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> Bee, How is it that this can be determined and couldn't it be possible

> to crowd out the yeast with good bacteria? Or is there just no

> room for the good bacteria to adhere to if the gut is loaded with

> candida?

==>==>That's a good way to explain it Shirley - no room, but also

toxins put out by candida, and inadequate digestive enzymes interfere

with implanting probiotics.

Bee

[Guest guest]

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> Is there a brand you recommend. I am taking rejuvelac 3x/day, but

> would like something for when a batch goes bad like right now

> (something in the blender) and I have to wait 3 days for the next, or

> for camping or traveling. I cant find a brand that does not have FOS

> AND does not have some kind of starch (maltodextrin or rice powder).

> Thank you.

==>Hi. What is your name? Sometimes it is impossible to avoid small

amounts of sugar and rice powder - it would be very small amounts in

any case.

Bee

[Guest guest]

Has anyone used The Body Ecology Diet by Donna Gates for candida? It focuses on

gut micro flora.

-Olif

[Guest guest]

Here are three good probiotics I'll be putting on my inulin page later;

check the prices!

Now Foods 8 Billion Bifidus and Acidophilus

<http://www.netrition.com/cgi/goto.cgi?aid=2167 & url=now_8billion_page.ht\

ml>

Now Foods Gr8-Dophilus contains eight species of probiotic in an enteric

coated capsule

<http://www.netrition.com/cgi/goto.cgi?aid=2167 & url=now_gr8dophilus_page\

..html>

Now Foods Probiotic Defense powder or capsule

<http://www.netrition.com/cgi/goto.cgi?aid=2167 & url=now_probiotic_defens\

e.html>

Duncan Crow

[Guest guest]

" Now Foods 8 Billion Bifidus and Acidophilus

<http://www.netrition.com/cgi/goto.cgi?aid=2167 & url=now_8billion_page.ht\

ml> "

I've tried this one. Actually some of it is still in my fridge. I honestly have

to say that Primal Defense is tons better than this, although the price

definitely isn't. I can really tell a difference with the PD that I haven't been

able to tell with NOW or Culterelle. I am not sure why.

-Olif

[Guest guest]

Probiotic Defense from Now Foods competes favourably with Primal

Defense. 8 Billion is not intended to.

Comparing apples to apples, Probiotic Defense, like competitor Primal

Defense, contains soil based oganisms, but unlike Primal Defense it

does not contain the cancer-associated bacillus licheniformis. Smart

move IMO and in the opinion of many health professionals; it doesn't

muscle-test well anyway.

The 8 Billion old-school product referenced again below is simply one

kind of lactobacilli and two of bifidobacteria.

8 Billion:

<http://www.netrition.com/cgi/goto.cgi?

aid=2167 & url=now_8billion_page.html>

Probiotic Defense:

<http://www.netrition.com/cgi/goto.cgi?

aid=2167 & url=now_probiotic_defense.html>

Duncan

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> " Now Foods 8 Billion Bifidus and Acidophilus

> <

>

> I've tried this one. Actually some of it is still in my fridge. I

honestly have to say that Primal Defense is tons better than this,

although the price definitely isn't. I can really tell a difference

with the PD that I haven't been able to tell with NOW or Culterelle.

I am not sure why.

>

> -Olif

[Guest guest]

Here are the links again, unbroken:

Probiotic Defense (the Primal Defense competitor)

<http://www.netrition.com/cgi/goto.cgi?aid=2167 & url=now_probiotic_defens\

e.html>

8 Billion organisms the old school way

<http://www.netrition.com/cgi/goto.cgi?aid=2167 & url=now_8billion_page.ht\

ml>

Duncan

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> > " Now Foods 8 Billion Bifidus and Acidophilus

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> >

> > I've tried this one. Actually some of it is still in my fridge. I

> honestly have to say that Primal Defense is tons better than this,

> although the price definitely isn't. I can really tell a difference

> with the PD that I haven't been able to tell with NOW or Culterelle.

> I am not sure why.

> >

> > -Olif

>

[Guest guest]

I will give Probiotic Defense a try then when my Primal Defense is gone.

I don't think Primal Defense contains bacillus licheniformis but instead enzymes

derived from this. I could be wrong. I only think this because bacillus

licheniformis isn't listed under the blend of organisms in the nutritional

profile on the bottle, but it is listed on the bottle in another section where

it says " contains the following organisms or enzymes derived from them. "

Either way, if this stuff is comparable and cheaper, I am trying it! :-)

Thanks,

Olif

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 9/20/2006 8:18:16 PM Central Daylight Time,

eyoung33@... writes:

My first probiotic was primal defense and i didn't feel much and i

should have! However I still stand by my new and amazing sidekick

pro/prebiotic mix by pharmax - all of their's are made from human

derived string and you can seriously feel the difference. within a week

of using the intense synbiotic my lower back pains from a couple of

years had disappeared. i am not exagerating! i couldn't stand straight

for a few hours in the morning. i felt like a ninety year old woman and

i'm only 33. this to me is one of the most important elements to kicking

candida. So, I'm adding my two cents on this one. Please consider

pharmax's products. If you want me to send you some links I'm happy to,

just let me know. Otherwise, I promote only because it saved my butt!

Not because it's cheaper. But it definitely works. Namaste.

SEND US A LINK

[Guest guest]

My first probiotic was primal defense and i didn't feel much and i

should have! However I still stand by my new and amazing sidekick

pro/prebiotic mix by pharmax - all of their's are made from human

derived string and you can seriously feel the difference. within a week

of using the intense synbiotic my lower back pains from a couple of

years had disappeared. i am not exagerating! i couldn't stand straight

for a few hours in the morning. i felt like a ninety year old woman and

i'm only 33. this to me is one of the most important elements to kicking

candida. So, I'm adding my two cents on this one. Please consider

pharmax's products. If you want me to send you some links I'm happy to,

just let me know. Otherwise, I promote only because it saved my butt!

Not because it's cheaper. But it definitely works. Namaste.

Re: Re: Probiotics

I will give Probiotic Defense a try then when my Primal Defense is gone.

I don't think Primal Defense contains bacillus licheniformis but instead

enzymes derived from this. I could be wrong. I only think this because

bacillus licheniformis isn't listed under the blend of organisms in the

nutritional profile on the bottle, but it is listed on the bottle in

another section where it says " contains the following organisms or

enzymes derived from them. "

Either way, if this stuff is comparable and cheaper, I am trying it! :-)

Thanks,

Olif

[Guest guest]

Maybe you're right on the bacillus licheniformis not actually being

in the Primal Defense any more; getting rid of it would be a wise

move because bacteria exude enzymes and toxins, and cancer is usually

caused by repeated exposure to toxins.

The company has given very evasive answers when pressed for details

on Primal Defense, and the moving target image they presented does

little for consumer confidence.

If anyone can get the straight goods fom the company, several

thousand people I know of and probably tens of thousands of others in

the alternative health arena want to hear it.

For now, Dr. Jeff Sutherland's comment on Curezone

http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=650725

and a google search to find references on this bacillus' documented

involvement in cancer, is sure to raise some eyebrows:

http://tinyurl.com/o4dug

Duncan Crow

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> I will give Probiotic Defense a try then when my Primal Defense is

gone.

>

> I don't think Primal Defense contains bacillus licheniformis but

instead enzymes derived from this. I could be wrong. I only think

this because bacillus licheniformis isn't listed under the blend of

organisms in the nutritional profile on the bottle, but it is listed

on the bottle in another section where it says " contains the

following organisms or enzymes derived from them. "

>

> Either way, if this stuff is comparable and cheaper, I am trying

it! :-)

>

> Thanks,

> Olif

>

>

[Guest guest]

,

I'd like the links to pro/prebiotic mix by pharmax.

Namaste

Young <eyoung33@...> wrote:

My first probiotic was primal defense and i didn't feel much and i

should have! However I still stand by my new and amazing sidekick

pro/prebiotic mix by pharmax - all of their's are made from human

derived string and you can seriously feel the difference. within a week

of using the intense synbiotic my lower back pains from a couple of

years had disappeared. i am not exagerating! i couldn't stand straight

for a few hours in the morning. i felt like a ninety year old woman and

i'm only 33. this to me is one of the most important elements to kicking

candida. So, I'm adding my two cents on this one. Please consider

pharmax's products. If you want me to send you some links I'm happy to,

just let me know. Otherwise, I promote only because it saved my butt!

Not because it's cheaper. But it definitely works. Namaste.

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[Guest guest]

I'm on The Ultimate Pro-SBO from Bio International (made in the US, I

think). It is very expensive for me as the exchange rate is quite bad

at the moment, but it contains 40 different types of probiotic bacteria.

Very good.

Keen

Re: Re: Probiotics

I will give Probiotic Defense a try then when my Primal Defense is gone.

I don't think Primal Defense contains bacillus licheniformis but instead

enzymes derived from this. I could be wrong. I only think this because

bacillus licheniformis isn't listed under the blend of organisms in the

nutritional profile on the bottle, but it is listed on the bottle in

another section where it says " contains the following organisms or

enzymes derived from them. "

Either way, if this stuff is comparable and cheaper, I am trying it! :-)

Thanks,

Olif

[Guest guest]

i can't find this product online at any of the health stores or even like

walgreens...

i only see info. on the website and it doesn't list all the ingredients... like

if its' dairy and gluten free and stuf...

shefy

Young <eyoung33@...> wrote: My

first probiotic was primal defense and i didn't feel much and i

should have! However I still stand by my new and amazing sidekick

pro/prebiotic mix by pharmax - all of their's are made from human

derived string and you can seriously feel the difference. within a week

of using the intense synbiotic my lower back pains from a couple of

years had disappeared. i am not exagerating! i couldn't stand straight

for a few hours in the morning. i felt like a ninety year old woman and

i'm only 33. this to me is one of the most important elements to kicking

candida. So, I'm adding my two cents on this one. Please consider

pharmax's products. If you want me to send you some links I'm happy to,

just let me know. Otherwise, I promote only because it saved my butt!

Not because it's cheaper. But it definitely works. Namaste.

Re: Re: Probiotics

I will give Probiotic Defense a try then when my Primal Defense is gone.

I don't think Primal Defense contains bacillus licheniformis but instead

enzymes derived from this. I could be wrong. I only think this because

bacillus licheniformis isn't listed under the blend of organisms in the

nutritional profile on the bottle, but it is listed on the bottle in

another section where it says " contains the following organisms or

enzymes derived from them. "

Either way, if this stuff is comparable and cheaper, I am trying it! :-)

Thanks,

Olif

[Guest guest]

here's a link that touches on their trial info, gluten...etc...Hope it

helps!

http://www.rockwellnutrition.com/view_category.asp?cat=34

Re: Re: Probiotics

I will give Probiotic Defense a try then when my Primal Defense is gone.

I don't think Primal Defense contains bacillus licheniformis but instead

enzymes derived from this. I could be wrong. I only think this because

bacillus licheniformis isn't listed under the blend of organisms in the

nutritional profile on the bottle, but it is listed on the bottle in

another section where it says " contains the following organisms or

enzymes derived from them. "

Either way, if this stuff is comparable and cheaper, I am trying it! :-)

Thanks,

Olif

[Guest guest]

wh don't you email them?

shefy gupta <shefy7@...> wrote: i can't find this product online

at any of the health stores or even like walgreens...

i only see info. on the website and it doesn't list all the ingredients... like

if its' dairy and gluten free and stuf...

shefy

Young <eyoung33@...> wrote: My first probiotic was primal

defense and i didn't feel much and i

should have! However I still stand by my new and amazing sidekick

pro/prebiotic mix by pharmax - all of their's are made from human

derived string and you can seriously feel the difference. within a week

of using the intense synbiotic my lower back pains from a couple of

years had disappeared. i am not exagerating! i couldn't stand straight

for a few hours in the morning. i felt like a ninety year old woman and

i'm only 33. this to me is one of the most important elements to kicking

candida. So, I'm adding my two cents on this one. Please consider

pharmax's products. If you want me to send you some links I'm happy to,

just let me know. Otherwise, I promote only because it saved my butt!

Not because it's cheaper. But it definitely works. Namaste.

Re: Re: Probiotics

I will give Probiotic Defense a try then when my Primal Defense is gone.

I don't think Primal Defense contains bacillus licheniformis but instead

enzymes derived from this. I could be wrong. I only think this because

bacillus licheniformis isn't listed under the blend of organisms in the

nutritional profile on the bottle, but it is listed on the bottle in

another section where it says " contains the following organisms or

enzymes derived from them. "

Either way, if this stuff is comparable and cheaper, I am trying it! :-)

Thanks,

Olif