Probiotics

[Guest guest]

Hi Pamela,

I started with a month on the intensive synbiotic,

http://www.rockwellnutrition.com/product.asp?itemid=58. Now I'm taking

the intense with fos - 2 capsules / day. After doing this for a month I

am planning on re-evaluating myself, but most likely will go to their

maintenance formula. All listed under pharmax and prebiotics/probiotics

on the site link above! Let me know how it works.

Namaste

RE: Re: Probiotics

,

I'd like the links to pro/prebiotic mix by pharmax.

Namaste

Young <eyoung33austin (DOT) <mailto:eyoung33%40austin.rr.com> rr.com>

wrote: My first probiotic was primal defense and i didn't feel much and

i

should have! However I still stand by my new and amazing sidekick

pro/prebiotic mix by pharmax - all of their's are made from human

derived string and you can seriously feel the difference. within a week

of using the intense synbiotic my lower back pains from a couple of

years had disappeared. i am not exagerating! i couldn't stand straight

for a few hours in the morning. i felt like a ninety year old woman and

i'm only 33. this to me is one of the most important elements to kicking

candida. So, I'm adding my two cents on this one. Please consider

pharmax's products. If you want me to send you some links I'm happy to,

just let me know. Otherwise, I promote only because it saved my butt!

Not because it's cheaper. But it definitely works. Namaste.

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10 grams of FOS and five probiotics, 145 billion plus organisms per

dose... That's about right, but I'd rather see three or more

bifidobacteria in it since it's the major probiotic.

FOS isn't too problematic when you get all those probiotic organisms

alongside it; it's only when you take FOS in absence of the probiotic

that pathogens would have a better crack at it. Commercial FOS is

usable by many bacteria because the average chain length is 3.7

compared to inulin's 9.

Duncan

My first probiotic was primal defense and i didn't feel much

and

> i

> should have! However I still stand by my new and amazing sidekick

> pro/prebiotic mix by pharmax - all of their's are made from human

> derived string and you can seriously feel the difference. within a

week

> of using the intense synbiotic my lower back pains from a couple of

> years had disappeared. i am not exagerating! i couldn't stand

straight

> for a few hours in the morning. i felt like a ninety year old woman

and

> i'm only 33. this to me is one of the most important elements to

kicking

> candida. So, I'm adding my two cents on this one. Please consider

> pharmax's products. If you want me to send you some links I'm happy

to,

> just let me know. Otherwise, I promote only because it saved my

butt!

> Not because it's cheaper. But it definitely works. Namaste.

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Hello, I am new to this forum and this is the first time I have come

across the topic of inulin and fos. I have a few questions for you

duncan, since you seem to have done your research. I read your site

but I am still a bit confused.

1. Is " native inulin " referring to the inulin in the NOW supplement?

2. Are you using the words units and molecules interchangebly to

describe inulin chain length?

3. Inulin good/FOS bad?

4. If FOS feeds good and bad bacteria, why do 2 of the 3 probiotic

products listed on your page boast having FOS?

5. I actually started taking the probiotic defense about a week ago,

but what is the big difference between the 3 probiotics listed on your

page and why is the gr-8 your first choice?

Thanks for your time and energy

>

>

> Here are three good probiotics I'll be putting on my inulin page later;

> check the prices!

>

> Now Foods 8 Billion Bifidus and Acidophilus

>

<http://www.netrition.com/cgi/goto.cgi?aid=2167 & url=now_8billion_page.ht\

> ml>

>

>

> Now Foods Gr8-Dophilus contains eight species of probiotic in an enteric

> coated capsule

>

<http://www.netrition.com/cgi/goto.cgi?aid=2167 & url=now_gr8dophilus_page\

> .html>

>

>

> Now Foods Probiotic Defense powder or capsule

>

<http://www.netrition.com/cgi/goto.cgi?aid=2167 & url=now_probiotic_defens\

> e.html>

>

>

> Duncan Crow

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Welcome and thx for writing.

Inulin on the market is " native inulin " unless the label says

otherwise. Now Foods' inulin is native (natural, unrefined) inulin.

Yes, the chain length means molecule units, and I did iterchange

them. Another term is DP or degree of polymerisation.

FOS is good provided you already have a pretty strong culture; it

does feed a lot of organisms that we don't want to feed, that produce

the enzymes required to break it down.

Manufactuer don't know eveything and they boast to the majority who

don't know the difference. They only put traces of FOS in their

products so they can boast; it doesn't amount to much in most

products, including Now Foods' probiotics.

Gr-8 contains more bifidobacteia strains and it's enteric coated so

the majority of the bacteria get past the stomach acid OK.

Probiotic Defense will appeal to people who want a better alternative

to Primal Defense, which has been a popular product.

The third one's name escapes me but it's good and cheap.

Duncan

> >

> >

> > Here are three good probiotics I'll be putting on my inulin page

later;

> > check the prices!

> >

> > Now Foods 8 Billion Bifidus and Acidophilus

> >

> <http://www.netrition.com/cgi/goto.cgi?

aid=2167 & url=now_8billion_page.ht\

> > ml>

> >

> >

> > Now Foods Gr8-Dophilus contains eight species of probiotic in an

enteric

> > coated capsule

> >

> <http://www.netrition.com/cgi/goto.cgi?

aid=2167 & url=now_gr8dophilus_page\

> > .html>

> >

> >

> > Now Foods Probiotic Defense powder or capsule

> >

> <http://www.netrition.com/cgi/goto.cgi?

aid=2167 & url=now_probiotic_defens\

> > e.html>

> >

> >

> > Duncan Crow

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi,

>

> What is the best brand of probiotics to get? As I understand it,

I should buy them locally from the refrigerated section of the health

food store, and make sure they are not soy or dairy based. And

also, that just the simple acidophilus is enough.

>

> Any recommendations gratefully received - I live in the UK, and

> probiotics sold at the local stores seem pretty expensive compared

to the non-refridgerated ones on the net!

==>I think the non-refrigerated ones are just as good because I don't

believe the hype about it " having to be " refrigerated or the

microorganisms will die. As long as they haven't been killed by

radiation (irradiation) they are okay, and I don't believe they

irradiate probiotics anyway.

>

> Also, Bee, I was wondering what you think of saccharomyces

boulardii - in " Detoxification and Healing " by Sidney Baker he

mentions it, as a yeast that will release yeast killers in your gut

that kills candida.

==>I prefer " tried and true " products that I used to cure my candida

in the mid 1980s, that were simple and straightforward. They didn't

have all of these other types of products on the market, and the

products were less complex. Also the amount of probiotics used was

in the millions, not the billions like all of them are nowadays. I

used a simple powdered Cal-Dophilus (the product has been changed

since then) taken in water 3 times a day - I don't recall how many

million it was, but it was around 9 million. Since 95% of beneficial

organisms in the digestive tract are lactobacteria, the simplest form

of lactobacillus is recommended, so why mess around with other kinds?

==>Saccharomyces Boulardii is a also a yeast, which would fall into

the category of Yeasty, Moldy & Fungi-Type Foods or Products. Candida

overgrowth can greatly increase the chances of an immune reaction to

all types and forms of fungi. This results in an allergic response to

yeast, mold and fungi, including mycotoxins.

==>Also saccharomyces Boulardii could take advantage of an immune

deficiency and cause a systemic infection. All candida sufferers have

immune deficiency so I wouldn't take a chance by trying this

product. The very best probiotic is cabbage rejuvelac - see our

Recipe Folder under Lacto-Fermented Foods & Drinks.

> When you stop taking it, it then goes away apparently. My

nutritional therapist also recommended it, and apparently it's used

routinely by French doctors.

==>Doctor? Sorry I don't put much faith in doctors my dear. This

program works if you follow the steps and take the recommended

products, and don't take " other stuff " that could interfere with your

progress or overwhelm or thow off the body. All of the nutrients in

the diet and supplements work together. See the many Success Stories

in our files (it has its own folder).

The diet is the 1st two steps, the antifungals second - at that point

you've killed off a lot of candida and have gotten through the die-

off symptoms. Then you will be able to implant probiotics in the

gut, and all of them do kill off candida as well.

Bee

[Guest guest]

>

> which one should i take? i've been doing the diet for about 6

months. in the begining

> a did a probiotic & bee told me it was to early. so am i ready to do

it? & how often?

> also i just do my supplements & coconut oil...

> thanx,

> janey

>

Hi Janey,

Bee's main article, " How to Successfully Overcome Candida " has your

answer. Look for it in our group Files or on her website. Step 4)

Plant good bacteria in the digestive tract, is the section you should

read.

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/intro2.php

hope that helps,

jackie

[Guest guest]

>

> hi bee,

> Can you tell me what you think of this product?

> i see it has rolled oats in it but i wonder if it's pre digested

> http://healthandlight.com/inliven.htm

==>Hi Pip. That product is much too complicated and it contains many

ingredients not allowed on the candida diet. It is better to find a

simplier product with very few ingredients like plain non-dairy

acidophilus, or to make cabbage rejuvelac which is the best probiotic

in the world. Remember not to start on probiotics too early per my

article.

Luv, Bee

[Guest guest]

Thanks Marla,

I am aware of that and as they are predigested i'm wondering if that

makes a difference?

I guess that is what i was originally asking as I've heard great

reports about this product but then is it because this product feels

the nasties that it may work in the short term??

thanks for your insights

pip

>

> Hi Pip,

>

> Not Bee here, but I looked at that product. It's full of

ingredients that

> are not allowed on this diet - many grains, legumes, starchy

veggies, plus

> malt & molasses. So I'm certain that this would not be a good

supplement.

>

> Cheers!

> Marla

>

[Guest guest]

what kind of difference have you noticed?

monique

vampkitty2 wrote:

>

> I was wondering what everyone thought about the enteric coated

> Probiotics ( such as Nature's

> way brand) it has a coating on the pill to ensure that it survives the

> stomach acid and

> releases into the intestines.

>

> I have been taking myself for years and notice a difference as to

> powders etc.

>

> Jess

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I have tried many different probiotics and found the

Nauture way seemed to help me more. I have noticed a

difference in my digestion and my intestinal health.

They survive the stomach acid and the pill releases

into the intestines, also it can be taken anytime . I

remember some of the other probiotics I was on had to

be taken alone, on an empty stomach. This was just

easier and I noticed I felt like my gut was more my

own They sell it at most health food stores.

Here is the link to the site if you're interested.

http://www.naturesway.com/NaturesWay/products.aspx?hero=1 & maxcols=1 & maxitems=10 & \

productid=Primadolphilus_Brand_2

Jess

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hi jess

which ones have you tried that you didn't like? i am trying HMF by

genestra now and it seems ok so far.

thanks for the info.

monique

Bunny wrote:

>

> Hi ,

>

> I have tried many different probiotics and found the

> Nauture way seemed to help me more. I have noticed a

> difference in my digestion and my intestinal health.

>

> They survive the stomach acid and the pill releases

> into the intestines, also it can be taken anytime . I

> remember some of the other probiotics I was on had to

> be taken alone, on an empty stomach. This was just

> easier and I noticed I felt like my gut was more my

> own They sell it at most health food stores.

>

> Here is the link to the site if you're interested.

>

>

http://www.naturesway.com/NaturesWay/products.aspx?hero=1 & maxcols=1 & maxitems=10 & \

productid=Primadolphilus_Brand_2

>

<http://www.naturesway.com/NaturesWay/products.aspx?hero=1 & maxcols=1 & maxitems=10\

& productid=Primadolphilus_Brand_2>

> Jess

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[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I don't remember the names of the ones I used to be on. Sorry.

I do remember at one point i called one of the companies who had a powder I was

taking,

to find out how many died in the stomache acid and how many actually got into

your

intestines and they could not give me an answer.

It just got me thinking that I maybe was wasting my money on the other

probiotics, but I

am open to any info people have on this subject.

Thanks,

Jess

>

> hi jess

> which ones have you tried that you didn't like? i am trying HMF by

> genestra now and it seems ok so far.

>

> thanks for the info.

>

> monique

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi , I don't remember the names of the ones I used to be

on. Sorry.

>

> I do remember at one point i called one of the companies who had

a powder I was taking, to find out how many died in the stomache

acid and how many actually got into your intestines and they could

not give me an answer.

>

> It just got me thinking that I maybe was wasting my money on the

other probiotics, but I am open to any info people have on this

subject.

==>Hi Jess. There was no such thing as enteric coated probiotics

when I cured my candida over 20 years ago and I did it taking

powdered cal-dophilus in the millions of units, not the billions of

units. Stomach acid does not kill good bacteria. There's good

bacteria in the stomach as well. I don't know where companies come

up with such scams, but we know they are trying to make their

products unique in order to sell them. Cabbage rejuvelac is one of

the best probiotics of all and it is liquid.

Bee

[Guest guest]

I use ohhira

On 5/1/07, girltrekk <girltrekk@...> wrote:

>

> I would like to know what brand of probiotics you all use?

>

> I bought a new brand yesterday because they were out of the kind I buy

> and when I got home I noticed the lable says " may contain traces of

> soy. "

>

> Thanks,

> girltrekk

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I use Flora Source, this is great stuff. I would not use anything but this.

This is the website. For anyone that would like to take a look.

_www.goldenhealthproducts.com_ (http://www.goldenhealthproducts.com)

<>kathy<>

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girltrekk@... writes:

I would like to know what brand of probiotics you all use?

I bought a new brand yesterday because they were out of the kind I buy

and when I got home I noticed the lable says " may contain traces of

soy. "

Thanks,

girltrekk

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[Guest guest]

I use In-Liven probiotic superfood. It's full spectrum and contains

amino acids and is a powerhouse of energy and certified organic as

well. It's fixed every single person's varying bowel problems in my

immediate family.

Sharon

>

> I would like to know what brand of probiotics you all use?

>

> I bought a new brand yesterday because they were out of the kind I buy

> and when I got home I noticed the lable says " may contain traces of

> soy. "

>

> Thanks,

> girltrekk

>

[Guest guest]

--- Kathy, is this product stable if not kept refrigerated?

In candidiasis , Kathycozycove@... wrote:

>

>

> I use Flora Source, this is great stuff. I would not use anything

but this.

> This is the website. For anyone that would like to take a look.

> _www.goldenhealthproducts.com_ (http://www.goldenhealthproducts.com)

>

> <>kathy<>

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> In a message dated 5/1/2007 12:10:31 PM Central Daylight Time,

> girltrekk@... writes:

>

> I would like to know what brand of probiotics you all use?

>

> I bought a new brand yesterday because they were out of the kind I buy

> and when I got home I noticed the lable says " may contain traces of

> soy. "

>

> Thanks,

> girltrekk

>

>

>

>

>

> ************************************** See what's free at

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[Guest guest]

>

> I had testing done and I did not have any B. Bifidum in my sample.

I need to take a probiotic with it in. Any suggestions to which brand

is good. I have taken so many in the past that have done nothing. A

lot of them have potato starch, is that okay? I do Kimchee also and

have a batch of sauerkraut going right now, but I use that more of a

digestive enzyme than a probiotc. Is it both???

==>There are probiotics which contain B. Bifidum; check infants or

children's probiotics. I suggest you do alternating antifungal and

probiotic enemas because most (if not all) B. Bifidum in adults is in

the large colon which is difficult to reach taking probiotics by mouth.

uerkraut and kimchee are digestive aids, probiotics, and they also

chelate out heavy metals. Great stuff eh? I do not believe they

contain B. Bifidum however.

Bee

[Guest guest]

>

> What do you make of this situation. I began

> probiotics along with the entire program and have no

> reaction what so ever.

>

> Would that mean i dont have a problem?

==>No it doesn't mean you don't have a problem. People react with

different healing symptoms depending upon weaknesses in their body. If

you are unhealthy this program will improve it tremendously, even if

you do not have candida overgrowth.

Bee

[Guest guest]

>

> any one have any names of products for non dairy/ non soy/ non nasty

> probiotics? can only find non dairy but cultured on fermented soy

here by new chapter called all flora, all others seem to be dairy or

have maltodextrin in them

==>Here's a good one that was posted recently:

http://www.customprobiotics.com/ There may be very small amounts of

maltodextrin in some products which cannot be avoided. Just ensure it

is in the capsule itself and not in the contents. Most probiotics

contain too many units so you would dump them out of the capsule

anyway, and take it in water. You only need a total of 10 billion

units per day taken in 3 - 4 divided doses.

When I was curing my candida in the mid 1980s probiotics came in

millions of units, not billions. Your body cannot be forced to implant

proper flora faster so taking more is just a waste of money.

Bee

[Guest guest]

The ones I have been using come from Vitamin World. The only ingredients

I'm not sure about are pectin and " vegetable magnesium stearate " (most

likely from soy). There is no dairy or maltodextrin in them.

Zack

On Mon, 3 Sep 2007, pipparoni wrote:

> any one have any names of products for non dairy/ non soy/ non nasty

> probiotics?

> can only find non dairy but cultured on fermented soy here by new

> chapter called all flora, all others seem to be dairy or have

> maltodextrin in them

>

[Guest guest]

>

>

> The ones I have been using come from Vitamin World. The only

ingredients I'm not sure about are pectin and " vegetable magnesium

stearate " (most likely from soy). There is no dairy or maltodextrin in

them.

>

==>Zack, pectin is a substance found mostly in apples and magnesium

stearate is used by manufacturers to keep the capsules or pills from

sticking to their machinery. I wouldn't be concerned about either one

because the probiotics themselves wouldn't be derived from them.

Bee

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi Bee,

>

> Last weekend I had my first alcohol in 3-4 weeks at a family

> gathering. I didn't eat anything there. I had a few shots of

straight

> scotch whisky. Big mistake. Since then, I've experienced irritable

> bowel syndrome, which I haven't had in a long time. Bloating,

> constipation, and diarrhea.

>

> It's a shame because, I've been on your program for 8 months. It's

> hard when all you can have is water, when having a night on the

town.

>

> I realise you only advise taking probiotics in a low dosage, but is

> there any harm in taking one that has been independently tested to

> have 50 billion per capsule? This one has is dairy free,

> hypoallergenic, and does not contain any artificial colors, flavors,

> preservatives, dairy, soy, wheat, sugar, gluten or FOS.

>

> Heres the web page for more info:

>

> http://www.customprobiotics.com/acidophilus-bifidus-pricing.htm

>

> The reason I'm considering buying this one is because, I've bought

> I've bought ones that were not as potent in the past and I felt no

> effect. Whereas, I've tried this one before, and have found it be be

> effective.

>

> No, it is not my intention to advertise this product!

==>Hi Denis. Yes that probiotic looks okay. It is a waste of money

to take 50 billion however, so you can dump out the capsule and take

small amounts so it goes further. It isn't possible to implant any

more probiotics in the digestive tract than the body can handle, so

taking large amounts at a time is just a waste.

When I was curing my candida 20 years ago probiotics were in the

millions, and now they are in the billions. It's crazy, but it is a

big marketing ploy.

>

> I was considering making Cabbage Rejuvelac, but I have a hard time

> obtaining organic cabbages at the moment.

==>You can also use regular non-organic cabbage, as long as it isn't

irradiated (zapped with radiation).

The best, Bee

[Guest guest]

Heres the web page for more info:

http://www.custompr

<http://www.customprobiotics.com/acidophilus-bifidus-pricing.htm>

obiotics.com/acidophilus-bifidus-pricing.htm

Thanks for your time,

Denis

Hi Denis,

I have had a probiotic from this site before and I believe the probitiotics

are cultured in dairy. You may want to check with the manufacturer. I know

they say the end product is dairy free, but I thought there were always

traces left.

a

[Guest guest]

Hi Liz,

I too have used Enzymedica's Pro Bio and I really like it. As liz said

they are 100% vegan, they use no fillers and also make a really good

(#1 selling) digestive enzyme called Digest Gold. It helps with all

sorts of digestive issues and is recommended for people with Candida. I

take their Pro Bio, Digest Gold, Candidase, and Virastop products. This

is the regimen recommended by their technical staff for Candida. Hope

this helps everyone!