Guest guest Posted April 14, 2011 Report Share Posted April 14, 2011 With recent conversations showing the benefits being received by taking Betaine HCL with pepsin, once I started taking Betaine HCL I came across an interesting discussion on another forum re re protease / proteolytic enzymes. In this link it states the following:- One of the quickest ways to reverse this process is to consume lots of digestive enzymes, especially proteases (enzymes which break down protein). This reminded me of an email I sent to Dr Bob Lawrence asking for his view on proteases as I was more or less convinced this would help me. I thought I’d share his response given below:- Regarding your reference on protease/proteolytic enzymes it sounds interesting but it obviously involves taking yet another range of supplements to achieve the aims described. Also, I do not feel that such a long-term therapy, including such as Nattokinase or Serrapeptase, both of which have potentially dangerous side-effects, would be either appropriate or desirable. Finally, these are enzymes which we should be producing naturally so providing them artificially could upset the balance of our natural production. Dr Bob Lawrence is an avid believer of Betaine HCL. Jayne Crocker www.LDNNow.comImportant! Please sign our LDN petition to the European Parliament by clicking heretel: +44 (0) 7877 492 669Dr Steele MBE, talking about LDNLDNNow are a political/pressure group of individuals dedicated to getting Low Dose Naltrexone (LDN) accepted into modern medicine and trialled for the myriad of uses it shows benefit for. . From: low dose naltrexone [mailto:low dose naltrexone ] On Behalf Of z100a2002Sent: 14 April 2011 20:14low dose naltrexone Subject: [low dose naltrexone] digestive enzymes fight leaky gut and food allergies http://www.healthiertalk.com/digestive-enzymes-combat-leaky-gut-and-food-allergy-3747 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2011 Report Share Posted April 14, 2011 Thanks Z100, I was unsure as to what leaky gut meant, your article makes it clear to me, it just means large particles are passing into the body without being properly digested, and may cause an immune response, causing inflammation. Thanks a million, cleared that up for me. david lubbock tx. On 4/14/11, z100a2002 <zahavi100@...> wrote: > http://www.healthiertalk.com/digestive-enzymes-combat-leaky-gut-and-food-allergy\ -3747 > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2011 Report Share Posted April 15, 2011 " Several human organs need iodine but can not absorb it until blood iodine levels reach high values (stomach, salivary glands). Most persons exhibit impaired production of stomach acid as they age. This impaired capability to produce adequate stomach acid may be a result of iodine deficiency as iodine promotes stomach acidity. " Extract from: www.newswithviews.com/Howenstine/james37.htm I am using the Free version of SPAMfighter.SPAMfighter has removed 3305 of my spam emails to date.Do you have a slow PC? Try free scan! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2011 Report Share Posted April 15, 2011 Not everyone can take betaine hcl Health Conditions If you have esophageal reflux, ulcers or at high risk for developing an ulcer such as individuals who regularly take aspirin or non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drugs (NSAIDS), you should not use betaine HCl without a doctor's supervision because it may worsen these conditions.(5) The side effects of digestive enzymes are usually mild http://www.typesofenzymes.org/digestive_enzymes_side_effects/digestive_enzymes_side_effects.html No significant nattokinase side effects have yet been reported in the medical literature http://www.raysahelian.com/nattokinase.html one of the best supplements there are and it is not for digestion but for the prevention of blood clotting Nattokinase: A Natural Weapon Against Cardiovascular Disease (Woodland Health Series) I am using the Free version of SPAMfighter.SPAMfighter has removed 3299 of my spam emails to date.Do you have a slow PC? Try free scan! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2011 Report Share Posted April 15, 2011 On Fri, 15 Apr 2011 12:44:34 -0400, zahavi <zahavi100@...> wrote:> Not everyone can take betaine hcl>Quite true.And if you can take it, you may need a much smaller than normal dose, as I do (as in dump out half the contents of a standard capsule); and don't take it before the meal -- NOT on an empty stomach --, as suggested, but during or right at the end.n Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2011 Report Share Posted April 15, 2011 If you cannot tolerate Betaine aka TMG, try DMG, it has one less methyl group and may be tolerated better.On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 3:07 PM, n Van Til <mvantil@...> wrote: On Fri, 15 Apr 2011 12:44:34 -0400, zahavi <zahavi100@...> wrote: > Not everyone can take betaine hcl>Quite true.And if you can take it, you may need a much smaller than normal dose, as I do (as in dump out half the contents of a standard capsule); and don't take it before the meal -- NOT on an empty stomach --, as suggested, but during or right at the end. n -- Toni------Mind like a steel trap...Rusty and illegal in 37 states. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2011 Report Share Posted April 15, 2011 Zahavi, there isn’t one supplement that EVERYONE on the planet can take and I hope by me sharing my story and others doing the same, this will raise the awareness of hypchlorhydria and the best ways of combating it. Betaine HCL does a heck of a lot more besides as I and others who have been taking it can testify. Everyone needs to do their own research as to whether it would be compatable for them. But it’s a great feeling when I receive personal emails from this group thanking me for doing so and sharing their success.Jayne Crocker www.LDNNow.comImportant! Please sign our LDN petition to the European Parliament by clicking heretel: +44 (0) 7877 492 669Dr Steele MBE, talking about LDNLDNNow are a political/pressure group of individuals dedicated to getting Low Dose Naltrexone (LDN) accepted into modern medicine and trialled for the myriad of uses it shows benefit for. . From: low dose naltrexone [mailto:low dose naltrexone ] On Behalf Of zahaviSent: 15 April 2011 17:45low dose naltrexone Subject: RE: [low dose naltrexone] digestive enzymes fight leaky gut and food allergies Not everyone can take betaine hcl Health ConditionsIf you have esophageal reflux, ulcers or at high risk for developing an ulcer such as individuals who regularly take aspirin or non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drugs (NSAIDS), you should not use betaine HCl without a doctor's supervision because it may worsen these conditions.(5) The side effects of digestive enzymes are usually mild http://www.typesofenzymes.org/digestive_enzymes_side_effects/digestive_enzymes_side_effects.html No significant nattokinase side effects have yet been reported in the medical literature http://www.raysahelian.com/nattokinase.html one of the best supplements there are and it is not for digestion but for the prevention of blood clotting Nattokinase: A Natural Weapon Against Cardiovascular Disease (Woodland Health Series) I am using the Free version of SPAMfighter.SPAMfighter has removed 3299 of my spam emails to date.Do you have a slow PC? Try free scan! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2011 Report Share Posted April 15, 2011 I know when I tried the Betaine hcl it burned my mouth just taking one pill.. I could not handle it.From: zahavi <zahavi100@...>low dose naltrexone Sent: Fri, April 15, 2011 12:44:34 PMSubject: RE: [low dose naltrexone] digestive enzymes fight leaky gut and food allergies Not everyone can take betaine hcl Health Conditions If you have esophageal reflux, ulcers or at high risk for developing an ulcer such as individuals who regularly take aspirin or non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drugs (NSAIDS), you should not use betaine HCl without a doctor's supervision because it may worsen these conditions.(5) The side effects of digestive enzymes are usually mild http://www.typesofenzymes.org/digestive_enzymes_side_effects/digestive_enzymes_side_effects.html No significant nattokinase side effects have yet been reported in the medical literature http://www.raysahelian.com/nattokinase.html one of the best supplements there are and it is not for digestion but for the prevention of blood clotting Nattokinase: A Natural Weapon Against Cardiovascular Disease (Woodland Health Series) I am using the Free version of SPAMfighter.SPAMfighter has removed 3299 of my spam emails to date.Do you have a slow PC? Try free scan! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2011 Report Share Posted April 15, 2011 On Fri, 15 Apr 2011 15:16:42 -0400, Toni Marie Lombardo <bellbaby@...> wrote: > If you cannot tolerate Betaine aka TMG, try DMG, it has one less methyl > group and may be tolerated better. This was confusing to me until I did some reading about TMG and DMG -- and the difference between betaine anhydrous and betaine HCL. Betaine anhydrous is, it seems, the betaine that is also known as TMG; betaine HCL provides hydrochloric acid for those who need more stomach acid; betaine anhydrous does not, but has other benefits. I'm beginning to think that for my purposes I should have tried TMG rather than betaine HCL. n Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2011 Report Share Posted April 18, 2011 Do you, or anyone else, know " the potentially dangerous side-effects of Nattokinase or Serrapeptase " ? jaynelcrocker wrote: > With recent conversations showing the benefits being received by > taking Betaine HCL with pepsin, once I started taking Betaine HCL I > came across an interesting discussion on another forum re re protease > / proteolytic enzymes. In this link it states the following:- > > One of the quickest ways to reverse this process is to consume lots of > digestive enzymes, *especially proteases* (enzymes which break down > protein). > > This reminded me of an email I sent to Dr Bob Lawre nce asking for his > view on proteases as I was more or less convinced this would help me. > I thought I’d share his response given below:- > > Regarding your reference on protease/proteolytic enzymes it sounds > interesting but it obviously involves taking yet another range of > supplements to achieve the aims described. Also, I do not feel that > such a long-term therapy, including such as Nattokinase or > Serrapeptase, both of which have potentially dangerous side-effects, > would be either appropriate or desirable. Finally, these are enzymes > which we should be producing naturally so providing them artificially > could upset the balance of our natural production. > > Dr Bob Lawrence is an avid believer of Betaine HCL. > > Jayne Crocker > > /LDNNow logo the one to use/// > > * * > > *www.LDNNow.com* > > *Important! Please sign our LDN petition to the European Parliament by > clicking here <http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/ldnnow/>* > > tel: +44 (0) 7877 492 669 > > Dr Steele MBE, talking about LDN > < > > LDNNow are a political/pressure group of individuals dedicated to > getting Low Dose Naltrexone (LDN) accepted into modern medicine and > trialled for the myriad of uses it shows benefit for. > > . > > *From:* low dose naltrexone > [mailto:low dose naltrexone ] *On Behalf Of *z100a2002 > *Sent:* 14 April 2011 20:14 > *To:* low dose naltrexone > *Subject:* [low dose naltrexone] digestive enzymes fight leaky gut and > food allergies > > http://www.healthiertalk.com/digestive-enzymes-combat-leaky-gut-and-food-allergy\ -3747 > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2011 Report Share Posted April 18, 2011 I answered my own question with a search and by Web MD that needs to shared. I take Nattokinase daily. http://www.webmd.com/vitamins-supplements/ingredientmono-1084-NATTOKINASE. aspx?activeIngredientId=1084 & activeIngredientName=NATTOKINASE Side effects and other information are included. None of which read as "potentially dangerous". Caution is advised if one is also using medical blood thinners or is scheduled for surgery. Read about it in the link. Sturr wrote: Do you, or anyone else, know "the potentially dangerous side-effects of Nattokinase or Serrapeptase"? jaynelcrocker wrote: With recent conversations showing the benefits being received by taking Betaine HCL with pepsin, once I started taking Betaine HCL I came across an interesting discussion on another forum re re protease / proteolytic enzymes. In this link it states the following:- One of the quickest ways to reverse this process is to consume lots of digestive enzymes, *especially proteases* (enzymes which break down protein). This reminded me of an email I sent to Dr Bob Lawre nce asking for his view on proteases as I was more or less convinced this would help me. I thought I’d share his response given below:- Regarding your reference on protease/proteolytic enzymes it sounds interesting but it obviously involves taking yet another range of supplements to achieve the aims described. Also, I do not feel that such a long-term therapy, including such as Nattokinase or Serrapeptase, both of which have potentially dangerous side-effects, would be either appropriate or desirable. Finally, these are enzymes which we should be producing naturally so providing them artificially could upset the balance of our natural production. Dr Bob Lawrence is an avid believer of Betaine HCL. Jayne Crocker /LDNNow logo the one to use/// * * *www.LDNNow.com* *Important! Please sign our LDN petition to the European Parliament by clicking here <http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/ldnnow/>* tel: +44 (0) 7877 492 669 Dr Steele MBE, talking about LDN < LDNNow are a political/pressure group of individuals dedicated to getting Low Dose Naltrexone (LDN) accepted into modern medicine and trialled for the myriad of uses it shows benefit for. .. *From:* low dose naltrexone [mailto:low dose naltrexone ] *On Behalf Of *z100a2002 *Sent:* 14 April 2011 20:14 *To:* low dose naltrexone *Subject:* [low dose naltrexone] digestive enzymes fight leaky gut and food allergies http://www.healthiertalk.com/digestive-enzymes-combat-leaky-gut-and-food-allergy-3747 ------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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