Guest guest Posted February 14, 2006 Report Share Posted February 14, 2006 well we were goign to go for a walk since its suppose to be nice today but now we have to play advocates for viola's SSI. i am sitting here bored and waitng for a return phone call :-(. not a fun way to spend valentine's day. revaddict <revaddict@...> wrote: So what's everybody doing for Valentine's Day? Got any special plans? Brings words and photos together (easily) with PhotoMail - it's free and works with . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2006 Report Share Posted February 14, 2006 My bf bought me roses yesterday (my favorite color) and my older daughter made me a picture. I gave the kids small presents and we bought special candles to burn this evening for dinner. We’re getting ready to make heart shaped muffins. My bf had to go to Barcelona for the day so I can go to bed early or stay up and wait for him (his plane should get in at 10pm) But he’ll be tired as he had to be at the airport at 4am. Anyway I plan on doing some cleaning so I can exercise this evening. And if my bf isn’t tired maybe I will play computer games with him (he always wants me to play WOW with him) I doubt he will be up to anything more energetic. From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of revaddict Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 3:19 PM Subject: Valentine's Day So what's everybody doing for Valentine's Day? Got any special plans? -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.7/259 - Release Date: 2/13/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.7/259 - Release Date: 2/13/2006 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2006 Report Share Posted February 14, 2006 , Actually, my husband and I celebrate February 13th, because that is the day we met face to face for the first time. (We actually met in December online, but didn't "meet" until the 13th of February.) On the 14th, I made him dinner for the first time, so on Valentines, we always have Salsa Chicken and Rice. We went to dinner last night to celebrate, then exchanged gifts (things we needed for our new house...LOL) and had our special dinner at home tonight. Tonya Valentine's Day So what's everybody doing for Valentine's Day? Got any special plans? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2006 Report Share Posted February 14, 2006 Sadly, no plans.... --- revaddict <revaddict@...> wrote: > So what's everybody doing for Valentine's Day? Got > any special plans? > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2006 Report Share Posted February 14, 2006 Sadly, no plans.... --- revaddict <revaddict@...> wrote: > So what's everybody doing for Valentine's Day? Got > any special plans? > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2007 Report Share Posted January 7, 2007 <When cocoa abs was a hot topic several months ago I decided to work upon my own cocoa blend..I initially started with cocoa abs., tagetes and clementine then added a bit of vanilla and rose bourbonia and rose otto....and I've been adding and detracting oils here and there..really like the rose and cocoa and was surprised how much I like the tagetes with cocoa...today I thought Valentine's Day is about a month away and wondering if anyone has blended with cocoa abs.,vanilla abs.and coconut abs....and any suggestions of additional botanicals that would compose a very romantic Valentine's Day comp...medium...solid. Any ideas? Lesle> Coco._,_.___ Cocoa abs. is wonderful with jasmine grandiflorum. Also with frankincense, lavender eo and abs., benzoin, labdanum. I wonder also what it would be like with tuberose, honey abs...... Messages in this topic (1) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic Messages | Files | Photos | Links | Database | Polls | Calendar Recent Activity 15 New Members 1 New Photos 1 New Links Visit Your Group Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2007 Report Share Posted January 7, 2007 > > > <When cocoa abs was a hot topic several months ago I decided to > work upon > my own cocoa blend..I initially started with cocoa abs., tagetes and > clementine then added a bit of vanilla and rose bourbonia and rose > otto....and I've been adding and detracting oils here and there..really > like the rose and cocoa and was surprised how much I like the tagetes with > cocoa...today I thought Valentine's Day is about a month away and > wondering if anyone has blended with cocoa abs.,vanilla abs.and coconut > abs....and any suggestions of additional botanicals that would compose a > very romantic Valentine's Day comp...medium...solid. > > Any ideas? > > Lesle> > Coco._,_.___ > Cocoa abs. is wonderful with jasmine grandiflorum. Also with > frankincense, lavender eo and abs., benzoin, labdanum. I wonder also > what it would be like with tuberose, honey abs...... > > Hey , I have never worked with honey abs. and remember when many posts were put up on the subject of bee goo/propolis? I really like the tuberose and honey abs and want to know your experience when blending Honey abs. with Cocoa abs...sounds yummy. I love Tuberose and realize it is a white flower but it smells very red to me...so nice for the Valentine holiday! Let me know more of your experience with Honey abs. Thanx, Lesle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2007 Report Share Posted January 7, 2007 >...really like the rose and cocoa When I was growing up, my great-Aunt grew hundreds of damask roses in her yard. She mulched them with cocoa hulls, and I spent many happy hours sitting near her roses smelling the rose and cocoa together. These two scents are inextricably entwined for me. I have always thought that rose and cocoa would be the perfect Valentine's day combination. If I were making a perfume, I'd use a vanilla-y base, with some Peru balsam, sandalwood, and a drop of patchouli to enhance the rose essences. I would use several forms of rose for the middle note, and maybe some warm spices and a soft, vibrant green note. I think some edible notes in the top, such as bergamot, might round out the blend nicely. Feel free to use whatever ideas might appeal to you. Do let me know what you do and how you like it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2007 Report Share Posted January 7, 2007 >>...really like the rose and cocoa > > When I was growing up, my great-Aunt grew hundreds of damask roses in > her yard. She mulched them with cocoa hulls, and I spent many happy > hours sitting near her roses smelling the rose and cocoa together. > These two scents are inextricably entwined for me. > > I have always thought that rose and cocoa would be the perfect > Valentine's day combination. If I were making a perfume, I'd use a > vanilla-y base, with some Peru balsam, sandalwood, and a drop of > patchouli to enhance the rose essences. I would use several forms of > rose for the middle note, and maybe some warm spices and a soft, > vibrant green note. I think some edible notes in the top, such as > bergamot, might round out the blend nicely. > > Feel free to use whatever ideas might appeal to you. Do let me know > what you do and how you like it! Yes I find the rose cocoa combo dynamite and it actually caught me by surprise. I was mixing and bleding different combos and the cocoa and rose really make a nice pair..the tagetes I added I didn't intially think I would like but it creates an added dimension...I am going play around with the base...maybe start with the Peru Balsam...nice...like the bergamot as well!! Lovely.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2007 Report Share Posted January 9, 2007 lesle@... wrote: > > Hey , I have never worked with honey abs. and remember when many posts were put up on the subject of bee goo/propolis? I really like the tuberose and honey abs and want to know your experience when blending Honey abs. with Cocoa abs...sounds yummy. I love Tuberose and realize it is a white flower but it smells very red to me...so nice for the Valentine holiday! Let me know more of your experience with Honey abs. Thanx, Lesle> Well, actually, I don't know. I don't have honey abs either! I was just wondering/thinking it might be a good match. I have a sample of tuberose, I should try sampling the tuberose with my cocoa abs to see for sure. That being said, I have definitley tried the others. I made a blend consisting of those essences for a client, for a Christmas present for his mother-she loved it. I have also blended those essences into cocoa butter to wear on my skin, and as we all know cocoa butter smells like chocolate, and it was quite nice. __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2007 Report Share Posted January 9, 2007 > > When cocoa abs was a hot topic several months ago I decided to work upon > my own cocoa blend..I initially started with cocoa abs., tagetes and > clementine then added a bit of vanilla and rose bourbonia and rose > otto....and I've been adding and detracting oils here and there..really > like the rose and cocoa and was surprised how much I like the tagetes with > cocoa...today I thought Valentine's Day is about a month away and > wondering if anyone has blended with cocoa abs.,vanilla abs.and coconut > abs....and any suggestions of additional botanicals that would compose a > very romantic Valentine's Day comp...medium...solid. > > Any ideas? > > Lesle Lesle, Funny that I noticed this post only now, I just announced my limited edition for Valentine's Day today on my blog! It's my Roses et Chocolat perfume, and it's what it says - three types of roses and chocolate, as well as my own amber compound, pink pepper, nutmeg and mace. Here is the link: http://ayalasmellyblog.blogspot.com/2007/01/new-perfume-roses-et-chocolat.html Tagetes is amazing with chocolate. It's quite magical actually. I think it creates an illusion of coconut, a very fruity and tropical accord together. I have two other chocolate based perfumes in my collection - Guilt (chocolate, orange blossom, mimosa, orange and amber) and Film Noir (Chocolate, patchouli and myrrh). I really love these combinations! Other notes that go really well with cocoa are quite endless and we all know that the proportions matter tremendously, but here are some ideas: Anything citrus: Orange, grapefruit, lime, clementine, tangerine. Citrus and chocolate taste good together, and the smell good together too. Any spices: Cinnamon, cardamom, allspice, cloves, nutmeg, ginger - you name it. Cocoa is warm and foody, and so are spices. Balsamic notes: All the resins and balsams with the sweet vanillic notes are fantastic with chocolate. These include benzoin, tolu, peru and copaiba balsams. Rich florals: narcotic and exotic florals provide a contradiction to the chocolate and a sensual aspect that turns it from food to perfume. Jasmine, rose, orange blossom, tuberose, ylang ylang, carnation and champaca - these will all be fantastic. Warm, dry, woody, smoky: Pairing strong woody notes with chocolate creates a contrast, but this can be interesting and original. For instance: patchouli, vetiver, tobacco, leather accords, cade, choya nakh, choya loban, etc. These are just a few things that are a sure thing. But I am sure there is a lot more to chocolate than that. Good luck! Ayala Sender www.AyalaMoriel.com www.SmellyBlog.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2007 Report Share Posted January 10, 2007 --- Shea <goblinboy60660@...> wrote: > > Thanx, > Lesle> > Well, actually, I don't know. I don't have honey > abs either! I was just wondering/thinking it might > be a good match. I have a sample of tuberose, I > should try sampling the tuberose with my cocoa abs > to see for sure. That being said, I have definitley > tried the others. I made a blend consisting of those > essences for a client, for a Christmas present for > his mother-she loved it. I have also blended those > essences into cocoa butter to wear on my skin, and > as we all know cocoa butter smells like chocolate, > and it was quite nice. > > Hi , I'm glad to hear that your client loved the perfume! I remember when you were first mentioning taking on that client so it's great to know it worked out so well! I just got some honey absolute and it is really nice. I have worked with beeswax absolute which I also love but the honey has that really rich honey smell that is just so sticky and delicious! I wanted to ask for cocoa absolute recommendations because I have one that I am really not thrilled with at all. It smells a bit like dirt. I have heard that the White Lotus one is nice and I see that it is pourable which has its appeal. Are there other ones I should check out? Thanks! ________________________________________________________________________________\ ____ Need a quick answer? Get one in minutes from people who know. Ask your question on www.Answers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2007 Report Share Posted January 10, 2007 > I just got some honey absolute and it is really nice. > I have worked with beeswax absolute which I also love > but the honey has that really rich honey smell that is > just so sticky and delicious! I always thought that the two are the same. They sometimes are called honey absolute and sometimes called beeswax absolute. Am I missing something here? Anywyas, they vary greatly, just as honey varieties taste and smell differently based on the flowers they are made of and where in the world etc. > I wanted to ask for cocoa absolute recommendations > because I have one that I am really not thrilled with > at all. It smells a bit like dirt. I have heard that > the White Lotus one is nice and I see that it is > pourable which has its appeal. Are there other ones I > should check out? Thanks! The cocoa I tried from both A Little Olfactory and Eden Botanicals is great, and pourable. I got a cocoa absolute from et that really sucked as it smelled more like scorched chocolate or like Marmite. It was useful for some things, but it didn't have that obvious and wonderfully caramely quality that and Will (the two suppliers above) offer. Best, Ayala Sender www.AyalaMoriel.com www.SmellyBlog.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2007 Report Share Posted January 10, 2007 --- Ayala Sender <ayala@...> wrote: > > I always thought that the two are the same. They > sometimes are called > honey absolute and sometimes called beeswax > absolute. Am I missing > something here? > Anywyas, they vary greatly, just as honey varieties > taste and smell > differently based on the flowers they are made of > and where in the > world etc. Hi Ayala, Actually, I don't know if they are technically different but the two types I have are very different. The beeswax absolute I have is more like a concrete-- it is waxy and smells more like beeswax. (I got it from a supplier that I now know is questionable but it is still very nice.) Whereas the honey absolute I have is a thick liquid and smells like a richer version of honey itself. I would like to know if anyone can answer this question. Is there a technical difference? > > The cocoa I tried from both A Little Olfactory and > Eden Botanicals is > great, and pourable. I got a cocoa absolute from > et that really > sucked as it smelled more like scorched chocolate or > like Marmite. It > was useful for some things, but it didn't have that > obvious and > wonderfully caramely quality that and Will > (the two suppliers > above) offer. Thanks Ayala! I actually have a little section of in my notebook of tips from you! Mostly about compatibilty of various notes. So thanks for all of that too. ________________________________________________________________________________\ ____ Any questions? Get answers on any topic at www.Answers.. Try it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2007 Report Share Posted January 10, 2007 Funny that I noticed this post only now, I just announced my limited edition for Valentine's Day today on my blog! It's my Roses et Chocolat perfume, and it's what it says - three types of roses and chocolate, as well as my own amber compound, pink pepper, nutmeg and mace. Here is the link: http://ayalasmellyblog.blogspot.com/2007/01/new-perfume-roses-et- chocolat.html I have been working on a choc/vanilla blend as well. It started out as a wedding blend for someone, but has been transmuting in the bottle for months. I have used cocoa abs. vanilla which I tinctured, nutmeg,jasmine,lavender abs. mate, and oakmoss and vetiver. I have been sniffing it since last spring, I recently added some himalayan fir, and some 1%cade dilution, and I think it is finally getting somewhere, it is definitely not a summer blend, but for winter, it seems like it might be ok.... Nelle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2007 Report Share Posted January 10, 2007 Glazer <juliaglazermail@...> wrote: <I'm glad to hear that your client loved the perfume! I remember when you were first mentioning taking on that client so it's great to know it worked out so well!> Thanks. I made some for the clients girlfriend, his sister, and his mother. Apparently, they all loved their prospective scents. He also said that I was right on the nose with the types of perfumes each of them liked, and I've never met any of them, well except for the girlfriend. He told me that she really liked lillies, so I went about creating something " lilyish " . He told me that she wants to ask me questions about what I do. Now, one of the store leaders wants a perfume too! I must say that I really undersold myself, so much that I'm pretty embarrased about it, so I'm not going to talk about it! LOL. It was great, my roomate was with me in the kitchen when I was making the blends. She was fascinated and loved the scents. I kept testing them with her and you should have seen the rapturous looks on her face! She told me that I need to stick with this. It was a total ego boost and a confirmation that I'm doing " MY THANG " ! It is cool, the guy(the client) is really supportive of this and he is a filmaker and offered to make a " commercial " when I get a website, and he also has a graphic artist friend that I could use to design my stuff-so I've got a lot of stuff lined up! It's really exciting. Next-to get Oprah's attention! <I wanted to ask for cocoa absolute recommendations because I have one that I am really not thrilled with at all. It smells a bit like dirt. I have heard that the White Lotus one is nice and I see that it is pourable which has its appeal. Are there other ones I should check out? Thanks! > I got mine from Eden Botanicals(I've been getting almost all of my essences from them lately) and I'm really happy with it-I want to eat it! I haven't sampled any from anywhere else, so I can't really compare it, but like I said, I really like it anyway. __________________________________________________________ Need a quick answer? Get one in minutes from people who know. Ask your question on www.Answers. --------------------------------- Everyone is raving about the all-new beta. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2007 Report Share Posted January 10, 2007 > > > Glazer <juliaglazermail@...> wrote: > > > > <I'm glad to hear that your client loved the perfume! > I remember when you were first mentioning taking on > that client so it's great to know it worked out so > well!> > Thanks. I made some for the clients girlfriend, his sister, and his > mother. Apparently, they all loved their prospective scents. He also > said that I was right on the nose with the types of perfumes each of > them liked, and I've never met any of them, well except for the > girlfriend. He told me that she really liked lillies, so I went about > creating something " lilyish " . He told me that she wants to ask me > questions about what I do. Now, one of the store leaders wants a > perfume too! > I must say that I really undersold myself, so much that I'm pretty > embarrased about it, so I'm not going to talk about it! LOL. > It was great, my roomate was with me in the kitchen when I was making > the blends. She was fascinated and loved the scents. I kept testing > them with her and you should have seen the rapturous looks on her > face! She told me that I need to stick with this. It was a total ego > boost and a confirmation that I'm doing " MY THANG " ! > It is cool, the guy(the client) is really supportive of this and he is > a filmaker and offered to make a " commercial " when I get a website, and > he also has a graphic artist friend that I could use to design my > stuff-so I've got a lot of stuff lined up! It's really exciting. > Next-to get Oprah's attention! > > <I wanted to ask for cocoa absolute recommendations > because I have one that I am really not thrilled with > at all. It smells a bit like dirt. I have heard that > the White Lotus one is nice and I see that it is > pourable which has its appeal. Are there other ones I > should check out? Thanks! > > > > I got mine from Eden Botanicals(I've been getting almost all of my > essences from them lately) and I'm really happy with it-I want to eat > it! I haven't sampled any from anywhere else, so I can't really compare > it, but like I said, I really like it anyway. > > I was thinking of you today and thinking of a post by ZZ when she said it would be nice to have an upscale division of Wld Oats or other organic health conscious places like Whole Foods where organic perfumes could be sold by a well informed person to explain their benefits and watch over the precious gems and make sure they won't be taken by less ethical people..You're the guy that could plant the seed and oversee the perfume division of W Foods...maybe not your dream maybe is but if you have upper managements attention and you've already started teaching classes....it's a national chain...wondering your thoughts on this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2007 Report Share Posted January 11, 2007 At 12:14 AM 1/11/2007, you wrote: > It was great, my roomate was with me in the kitchen when I was > making the blends. She was fascinated and loved the scents. I > kept testing them with her and you should have seen the rapturous > looks on her face! She told me that I need to stick with this. It > was a total ego boost and a confirmation that I'm doing " MY THANG " ! > It is cool, the guy(the client) is really supportive of this and > he is a filmaker and offered to make a " commercial " when I get a > website, and he also has a graphic artist friend that I could use > to design my stuff-so I've got a lot of stuff lined up! It's really > exciting. Next-to get Oprah's attention! Hey, , glad to hear that after all this time on the group, you're getting down to blending, and seem to have a natural (hey, that's no joke!) knack for it. Your roommate seems to be having the response that many do that have not been exposed to real natural aromatics before -- rapture. It's what we're all about ;-) ><I wanted to ask for cocoa absolute recommendations >because I have one that I am really not thrilled with >at all. It smells a bit like dirt. I have heard that >the White Lotus one is nice and I see that it is >pourable which has its appeal. Are there other ones I >should check out? Thanks! The one from at http://alittleolfactory.com is luscious, and I'm addicted to it. Gorgeous. Don't know about WL one, but you can sample it. > Anya McCoy Anya's Garden of Natural Perfume http://anyasgarden.com Artisan Natural Perfumers Guild http://artisannaturalperfumers.org Natural Perfumers Community Group / Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2007 Report Share Posted January 11, 2007 At 12:52 AM 1/11/2007, you wrote: > I was thinking of you today and thinking of a post by ZZ when she >said it would be nice to have an upscale division of Wld Oats or other >organic health conscious places like Whole Foods where organic perfumes >could be sold by a well informed person to explain their benefits and >watch over the precious gems and make sure they won't be taken by less >ethical people..You're the guy that could plant the seed and oversee the >perfume division of W Foods...maybe not your dream maybe is but if you >have upper managements attention and you've already started teaching >classes....it's a national chain...wondering your thoughts on this? Lesle, WF is now selling organic perfumes. Made with synthetic scents. Yes, it is legal. Somebody in the WF headquarters visits http://.com on a regular basis, btw. > Anya McCoy Anya's Garden of Natural Perfume http://anyasgarden.com Artisan Natural Perfumers Guild http://artisannaturalperfumers.org Natural Perfumers Community Group / Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2007 Report Share Posted January 11, 2007 > > > Lesle, WF is now selling organic perfumes. Made with synthetic > scents. Yes, it is legal. > > Somebody in the WF headquarters visits http://.com on > a regular basis, btw. > > > > > Anya McCoy > Anya's Garden of Natural Perfume http://anyasgarden.com > Artisan Natural Perfumers Guild http://artisannaturalperfumers.org > Natural Perfumers Community Group > / > Organic, with synths is legal??? Isn't that a contradiction of tems? I had to read it three times to even grasp it. This alone would throw the doors wide open for misleading advertising and con artists. But that's just my perspective. Thanks for sharing this Anya. Very interesting ne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2007 Report Share Posted January 11, 2007 < I was thinking of you today and thinking of a post by ZZ when she said it would be nice to have an upscale division of Wld Oats or other organic health conscious places like Whole Foods where organic perfumes could be sold by a well informed person to explain their benefits and watch over the precious gems and make sure they won't be taken by less ethical people..You're the guy that could plant the seed and oversee the perfume division of W Foods...maybe not your dream maybe is but if you have upper managements attention and you've already started teaching classes....it's a national chain...wondering your thoughts on this?> I'm sort of mixed about it, actually. I was reading a reply to this that said that NP should be in upscale stores and botiques and I really agree with this. That is how I would prefer to sell mine, for instance. However, Whole Foods is upscale and its customers make a lot of money(it is called " Whole Paycheck " after all). I can't afford to get my groceries there, and I get a discount!!! I've always thought of WF as a gourmet grocery store with a natural, healthy emphasis, but not a health food store per se. I mean, we sell fried chicken at the hot bar for heavens sakes! I also think it's terrible that we tout ourselves as natural and organically minded and we pretty much only sell synthetically scented products(other than a couple of brands), and our " perfumes' are definitely synths. It just seems really hypocritcal of the company. As far as me being the liason between the company and natural perfumers, I would love it, but I've tried to get over to the whole body department(the nutrition and bodycare dept.) twice, but they won't have me! LOL! I wouldn't even know where to go to get some NP's in the store. But I know who to ask...... Anya, I'm intrigued by the fact that some WF bigwig is visiting the website. Maybe we will have some NP's soon. --------------------------------- Get your own web address. Have a HUGE year through Small Business. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2007 Report Share Posted February 15, 2007 I dislike the 'tacky' and commercial side and the forced expectations similar to other commercial holiday(vacations). I think for me 'hate' is too strong a word. > > You may have noticed that I did NOT wish you all a happy Valentine's > Day. That is because I know that for some people, Valentine's Day is a > miserable day for them. > > Do you like Valentine's Day or hate it? > > Why? > > Personally, I hate it because I think it causes conflict between > partners. Each expects something from the other, and if one or both do > not get what they are looking for, there is disappointment and > conflict. > > Tom > Administrator > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2007 Report Share Posted February 15, 2007 Tom wrote: " You may have noticed that I did NOT wish you all a happy Valentine's Day. That is because I know that for some people, Valentine's Day is a miserable day for them. Do you like Valentine's Day or hate it? Why? ... <snip> ... " Let's see now ... people need a commercially sanctioned holiday to remember to tell someone that is important to them that they are loved. What's wrong with this picture? My opinion is that if you cannot show your loved one how important they are 364 days out of the year, that one Valentine's Day in February every year isn't going to accomplish the job. True love is something that exists and is expressed every day through deed and action and words, not by a bunch of dead plants, a sugar rush and a piece of cardboard. That being said, I think if two people express love towards each other every day of the year, Valentine's Day is romantic by virtue of it being yet another opportunity to express that love ... but without all the commercialization that usually accompanies the day. Raven Co-Administrator Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2007 Report Share Posted February 15, 2007 I remember those Valentine's Day parties at school. Those were just popularity contests that I always hated. There was such a hype during the party you didn't think about it, but once everyone was going through the cards, then you noticed. Most people gave cards to everyone, but then it broke down into groups where people would group together to look at each other's cars, which was then you did see the less popular people left out. Granted that is life, but in this case it is a forced situation. Valentine's day has also been commercialized to the point of absurdity, just like the other holidays. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2007 Report Share Posted February 15, 2007 Why I hate Valentines Day! I hate Valentines Day because it debases romance. I hate it because in grade school the typical sort of thing the teachers made the students do was to each give out five valentines or more to others in the classroom. It turned into the worst sort of popularity contest you can imagine. I hate Valentines Day because it has become more and more commercialized. It's basically a kind of Christmas for adults. This year there were seemingly endless ads on television about people with way more money than they know what to do with spending it on ridiculously expensive jewelry. The height of the sort of thing Thorsten Veblen criticized as status-related conspicuous consumption. I hate Valentines Day because hardly anybody even remembers anything at all about Valentine. (And although I don't care much about that particular person, the careless ignorance of the name just seems reflective of the general mindless bovine indiiference people have toward history and their place in it. Mea culpa too.) I hate Valentines Day because it's always a reminder to me at least of how the people who do have the money to celebrate it usually here in the USA are working under some of the worst worker conditions in the industrial world and almost never have time off. In many places in europe, France in particular, almost all workers get a month off every year. I just don't think most workers in the USA who have regular jobs wind up being very romantic in the bulk of their lives because they just don't have the time for it. And in fact there are regularly articles about that every couple of years in major magazines such as Time and Newsweek about how marriages suffer in the USA because couples spend so much time working and other activities. (And if you do take your official vacation time many companies have widely known reputations for being much more likely to fire you, with complete impunity of course.) So I hate Valentines Day because what it claims to represent has been eviscerated by corporate (dare I say it...fascist?) Amerika. In Huxley's Brave New World workers once-a-year took a set of drugs to induce what was called a "passion surrogate" and then they went back to the routines for another year. Valentines Day for the masses living in the USA is a passion surrogate that people have settled for. Valentines Day has debased romance for all these reasons and more. On a more positive note- I suggest everyone read Helen Fisher's recent book "Why We Love". Contrary to normal intuition, learning about how romantic feelings happen I think actually increases the experience. Helen Fisher is a leading world anthropologist and quite probably the leading world expert on the subject of romantic love. http://helenfisher.com/ For what it's worth, I also like reading through books like "1001 romantic things to do". Heph ravenmagic2003 <ravenmagic2003@...> wrote: Tom wrote: "You may have noticed that I did NOT wish you all a happy Valentine's Day. That is because I know that for some people, Valentine's Day is a miserable day for them. Do you like Valentine's Day or hate it? Why? ... <snip> ..."Let's see now ... people need a commercially sanctioned holiday to remember to tell someone that is important to them that they are loved. What's wrong with this picture?My opinion is that if you cannot show your loved one how important they are 364 days out of the year, that one Valentine's Day in February every year isn't going to accomplish the job.True love is something that exists and is expressed every day through deed and action and words, not by a bunch of dead plants, a sugar rush and a piece of cardboard.That being said, I think if two people express love towards each other every day of the year, Valentine's Day is romantic by virtue of it being yet another opportunity to express that love ... but without all the commercialization that usually accompanies the day.RavenCo-Administrator Want to start your own business? Learn how on Small Business. The fish are biting. Get more visitors on your site using Search Marketing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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