Healing

[Guest guest]

Dear Suzie,

Grace a blond-haired, blue-eyed 4 1/2 year-old, has been healing slowly as

well. She still has a scab from her chicken pox vaccination (reaction) and

it's hanging on for dear life (six weeks ago). I attribute it to her fairness

and that I heal a bit more slowly myself. Also, and probably more to the

point, I believe that MTX, by slowing cell growth, also slows the healing

process. Anybody back me up on this?

Grace is on her third day free of prednisone. She's been a tiny bit more tired

and has a slight back ache but no wrist/ankle pain or fevers yet. How long

does it take the prednisone to get completely out of her system, I wonder.

Have any of you out there successfully gone off prednisone?

Best,

N.

[Guest guest]

Sorry, I don't know about those meds... we're just on NSAID's. We go to the

Rheum. today and I hope to make sure Zack's cough (2 1/2 wks) has nothing to

do with the JRA affecting his lungs!? The Pedi. said lungs were clear but

that was 1 1/2 wks. ago. I do know this thing is going around and haning on

forever in healthy people - so it's probably nothing! Glad to hear Grace is

off the Pred. I hope she does well without! If I remember, I'll ask the

Rheum. how long it takes for the Pred. to leave the system... If I remember

With a newborn, I'm a little dingy!

TTYS,

Suzie

[Guest guest]

Hi,

In our experience, a regular cold that my daughter catches and gets over in a

couple days does seem to affect Josh a lot worse. Sometimes it takes a lot

longer

to clear up and sometimes it seems to trigger all the regular still's symptoms

again, like fevers, rash, increased joint pain, etc. I've heard a lot of adults

with this say that when they catch a cold or something, their still's symptoms

subside. Sort of like their immune system was currently busy focussing on the

cold

or other illness and no longer doing it's regular thing with the other parts of

the body. I always thought this was one big difference between kids and adults

who

have this.

This last flare Josh had, on the first day when he woke up without the fevers

and

rash by that afternoon he had the sniffles, sneezes and a slight cough. I

thought,

hmmm, maybe their theory is starting to make some sense here! After two weeks +

of

still's symptoms, now Josh has caught a cold and he seems to be improving

somewhat! Then, that darn cold and cough took over full force. First it was just

the normal cold symptoms. Then, one night he woke up crying and said he was

having

difficulty breathing. I thought maybe his nose was stuffy and that's what he

meant. Well, he explained that it hurt every time he breathed in and he had pain

in his chest again. He said it felt like when he had pericarditis, in the past.

That scared me into going back to see the doctor again, as soon as morning came.

More xrays showed that eventually it had turned into a slight pneumonia! That's

when we got the antibiotics (Biaxin) and codeine.

Never really can tell how it's going to turn out, at least with my son. One day

he

seems to be doing okay and the next, it gets a lot worse. Then he seems better

again. It's hard to figure out, sometimes. I get worried sometimes even if his

cough isn't deep in his chest. I've heard about things happening (only rarely)

to

the lungs, due to methotrexate. And since Josh has had pleurisy and pericarditis

in the past, we can't take too many chances. Thank goodness for his medical

coverage!

I have heard, too, that the prednisone and mtx, etc. can cause easy bruising and

a

slow down in the healing process. Sometimes if there's a suspected infection

going

on, the docs say to stop the mtx until after it's cleared up. Makes sense.

I've also read that some of the meds do make one more sensitive to the sun. Josh

takes indomethacine now, no longer naproxin. Fortunately, both of my kids are

naturally tan-colored. I'm on the fair side and their Dad is really dark. Josh

is

maybe one or two shades darker than me and instead of my green eyes, he has

brown

eyes. The extra melanin has proven beneficial. He has never had any trouble with

sun sensitivity. He has only had sunburn twice and that was before we moved to

Hawaii! I used to worry about the sun damage more, especially if we went to the

beach the day after he took mtx but a little sunscreen seems to be all the

protection he needs.

After a visit to the eye doctor, for tests like dilating, his eyes are much more

sensitive to light than normally. I guess if he had light colored eyes, it would

be even worse. He has to wear those funky looking glasses they pass out, for

several hours. Actually, he just picked out a new pair of cool green sunglasses,

as one of his birthday gifts. He says he's gonna' remember to bring them along

to

every eye appt from now on ;-)

Take care,

Georgina

[Guest guest]

Georgina,

Wow! This disease is very confusing and has a mind of it's own! I guess you

just learn - " one day at a time " in a very real way! Thanks for sharing and

responding to my questions. Zack is doing just fine - still has the cough

and we'll start antibiotics in the morning but nothing flaring up from

Still's. So far, we are very fortunate!

-Suzie

[Guest guest]

Hi Suzie,

Always glad to hear good news. I'm happy that Zach seems to be doing well and

feeling fine. He must be annoyed at having had that cough for so long but from

what I hear, this season's colds and flus seem to be hanging on longer than

usual

for a lot of people. Hopefully it will clear up, soon!

Have a Great day!

~Georgina

> From: SUZIEJONES@...

>

> Georgina,

>

> Wow! This disease is very confusing and has a mind of it's own! I guess you

> just learn - " one day at a time " in a very real way! Thanks for sharing and

> responding to my questions. Zack is doing just fine - still has the cough

> and we'll start antibiotics in the morning but nothing flaring up from

> Still's. So far, we are very fortunate!

>

> -Suzie

[Guest guest]

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chestnutt@... writes:

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doctors are not helping me in anyway shape or form. That is why I have

sought an alternative medicine form. I personally understand how YOU

feel about RUSS and his Mannatech product. You may have been here

longer than a lot of us and are familiar with him. BUT what if.. just

what if... a person who has a terminal prognosis.. finds the strength

for just one more shot at this life.. and tries the product and gains

another 5-10 years. Hope is an integral life force. >>

Look, he's a salesman, don't you understand that?

[Guest guest]

Jo,

Meant to ask you what guidelines you are following for healing. Is your info

from NT? And do you mind sharing what you are in the process of healing?

Kathy

> > Part of my fear is that I could get

> > stuck in a rut and be missing

> > something from my diet.

>

> I tend to cook up large batches of things, then spend

> a few days eating it. But then I won't eat it again

> for a month or 2. That way, I still get variety to

> make sure all bases are covered, but I have the

> convenience of not having to cook 3 meals a day, nor

> of having to do a full shop 3-4 times a week for fresh

> foods in smaller portions.

>

> > Anyone willing to share what's on your menu today or

> > if it's easier, what you

> > ate yesterday? I loved reading what the WAP staff

> > ate-wish they would do an

> > update.

>

> Well, I'm trying to heal at the moment. The breakfast

> I have is raw goats milk kefir with stevia and 2 raw

> egg yolks. For breakfast, I don't mind monotony - I

> can eat the same thing for weeks on end. But I figure

> this combination is pretty nutritious so it's ok for

> long term.

>

> Lunch: salad and left over meats. I've just

> reintroduced fermented veg again - I have some kraut

> and carrots on hte go, hopefully edible in a week or

> so. But my main focus is on buying good quality

> meats. I far prefer a meaty meal to a veg-based meal.

> Meat has so much more flavour and is much more

> satisfying. I spend more time on prepping the meat

> than on creating tasty veg dishes. Also, I think

> salad makes me bloat, so I'm going to have to get

> imaginative with my left over meats to do something

> interesting.

>

> Dinner: fried steak or stewed/pot roasted beef, roast

> pork, etc. We don't eat chicken because it's so hard

> to get tasty chickens in the UK. Duck is very

> expensive. However, I have some ox heart and liver in

> the freezer which I'm going to experiment with to

> increase the range of nutrition in my diet. I also

> have a beef joint with bones which I shall use to make

> stock.

>

> If you really want to know what I ate tonight or last

> night, tonight I ate out and had grilled sea bass with

> rare peppered steak to start, last night I had a

> chicken tikka masala Indian take out! Hardly NT, but

> both restaurants use good quality ingredients, and

> were grain free.

>

> Jo

>

>

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--- realfoodie2003 <realfoodie2003@...> wrote:

> Jo,

>

> Meant to ask you what guidelines you are following

> for healing. Is your info

> from NT?

Yes, and mainly from this list. I have just made

some more fermented veggies,and I'm taking primal

defense which is used by a lot of people here to good

effect. I'm not seeing any effect on me though. I am

buying good quality meat, eggs, and dairy. Haven't

yet switched to organic though. I don't eat grains,

so haven't got any to soak! I will start making stock

this weekend - I have a nice collection of bones to

use! I rarely eat nuts, but soaking them before

eating will be my next leap I think.

I drink kefir, but give it up after tomorrow because

of its effects on me.

And do you mind sharing what you are in the

> process of healing?

>

Ummm, that's a hard one to answer! I'm still kind of

figuring it out. I get unexplained bloating, and

bowel pain. My stools float. My bowel movements are

never " normal " . I have a reaction to dairy. I suspect

I'm not digesting fats well, and I suspect also an

intolerance to gluten. But this is all just guess

work. I'm just sort of experimenting now. It could

take me years! I am posibly also deprived of insulin,

and have excess adrenalin and/or cortisol, from going

too low carb for too long.

Sorry, that's probably not much use, but may be

reassuring that not everyone on this list knows what

their doing!

Jo

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[Guest guest]

Joanne, I think I've mentioned before that my stools always floated too. Liver

flushing helped this and now they almost always sink. I think if your liver and

gall bladder are congested with stagnant bile, your body doesn't cope well with

fats.

Filippa

Re: Re: Healing

Ummm, that's a hard one to answer! I'm still kind of

figuring it out. I get unexplained bloating, and

bowel pain. My stools float. My bowel movements are

never " normal " . I have a reaction to dairy. I suspect

I'm not digesting fats well, and I suspect also an

intolerance to gluten. But this is all just guess

work. I'm just sort of experimenting now. It could

take me years! I am posibly also deprived of insulin,

and have excess adrenalin and/or cortisol, from going

too low carb for too long.

Sorry, that's probably not much use, but may be

reassuring that not everyone on this list knows what

their doing!

Jo

________________________________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

symptoms will get worse probably, as will underlying problems, ending

in serious chronic disease. I agree the diet does not work, but

throwing in the towel could have a very high cost.

> Hey everyone,

> This is a very general question. I was just

> wondering how people have felt that the candida diet,

> etc. have helped them, i.e. which symptoms have

> cleared up, what has gotten worse, has anyone

> " recovered " from their problems and eliminated the

> yeast. If it never goes away, and all this treatment

> is so costly, time consuming and irritating, it is

> almost better sometimes to just live with the

> symptoms.... What does everyone think?

> Thanks a bunch,

>

>

> =====

> Wolfe

>

> _________________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

,

The benefits of the anti-candida diet (+ organic foods) for me have been:

- minimal gas

- more energy

- minimal head fog

- y.i. almost non-existant

die-off:

- skin rashes (so i reduced my anti-fungal doses)

I have maintained the strict diet for 24 days now. However, I also

realize that this is not a way of life, it's a way to control the

symptoms. My future plans include:

- liver flush

- skin brushing

- adopting moritz' advice on eating for your type

- learning more about suppliments

- considering inulin / cold pressed whey ... ?

I'm really not certain how I will proceed. I'm trying to be patient

and apply change gradually so I don't feel overwhelmed.

I hope this helps.

Sue.

> > Hey everyone,

> > This is a very general question. I was just

> > wondering how people have felt that the candida diet,

> > etc. have helped them, i.e. which symptoms have

> > cleared up, what has gotten worse, has anyone

> > " recovered " from their problems and eliminated the

> > yeast. If it never goes away, and all this treatment

> > is so costly, time consuming and irritating, it is

> > almost better sometimes to just live with the

> > symptoms.... What does everyone think?

> > Thanks a bunch,

> >

> >

> > =====

> > Wolfe

> >

> > _________________________________________________________

> >

[Guest guest]

Hi:

I guess I've read every post on this site for the past three months or more.

What I've learned in that time has been...........well, astounding.

I've been battling Candida for 15 years. And completely agree with jcgre,

if you don't try to get yourself well, it will only get worse.

In my latest battle with Candida, I have not touched wheat, dairy, corn,

sugar, yada, yada, yada for four and a half months (except, I confess, four

cookies and a mincemeat tart on Christmas day) I also take supplements out

the wazoo. And Udo's oil and inulin and whey. And on and on.

Then, two weeks ago today, I had mouth surgery and have since slowly slipped

downhill. Yesterday, I was at the bottom of the barrel. Today, enough

energy to sit in front of the computer but not much else.

It occurred to me that this should not be happening. I have done nothing to

encourage the Candida and have kept my mouth scrupulously clean as far as

infection goes.

A lightbulb is dawning. I am beginning to see what jcgre and the others are

saying. For some of us at least, Candida may be a symptom of an underlying

problem and not THE problem per se.

I have an appointment tomorrow to see about having the mercury removed from

mouth, etc. And I am " hyped " (as someone 1/4 my age would say). Maybe

there is a light at the end of the tunnel!! Oh please oh please oh please.

Re: healing

symptoms will get worse probably, as will underlying problems, ending

in serious chronic disease. I agree the diet does not work, but

throwing in the towel could have a very high cost.

[Guest guest]

Penny,

Good luck with the appointment, I hope it works out

for you!

--- Penny <penelopea@...> escribió:

---------------------------------

Hi:

I guess I've read every post on this site for the past

three months or more.

What I've learned in that time has

been...........well, astounding.

I've been battling Candida for 15 years. And

completely agree with jcgre,

if you don't try to get yourself well, it will only

get worse.

In my latest battle with Candida, I have not touched

wheat, dairy, corn,

sugar, yada, yada, yada for four and a half months

(except, I confess, four

cookies and a mincemeat tart on Christmas day) I

also take supplements out

the wazoo. And Udo's oil and inulin and whey. And

on and on.

Then, two weeks ago today, I had mouth surgery and

have since slowly slipped

downhill. Yesterday, I was at the bottom of the

barrel. Today, enough

energy to sit in front of the computer but not much

else.

It occurred to me that this should not be happening.

I have done nothing to

encourage the Candida and have kept my mouth

scrupulously clean as far as

infection goes.

A lightbulb is dawning. I am beginning to see what

jcgre and the others are

saying. For some of us at least, Candida may be a

symptom of an underlying

problem and not THE problem per se.

I have an appointment tomorrow to see about having the

mercury removed from

mouth, etc. And I am " hyped " (as someone 1/4 my age

would say). Maybe

there is a light at the end of the tunnel!! Oh please

oh please oh please.

Re: healing

symptoms will get worse probably, as will underlying

problems, ending

in serious chronic disease. I agree the diet does not

work, but

throwing in the towel could have a very high cost.

[Guest guest]

I do not follow the Candida diet 100% - I am currently

following Atkins – which seems to be helping many of my symptoms.  My rash is worse, but my sinuses are getting

better – I still have a nasty infection but nothing like it was.  The Chronic Fatigue is getting better as well.

I’m not eating any grains right now – but I am

eating mushrooms and eggs.  I am not

eating as much cheese as I normally would on Atkins, mainly cream cheese.

I don’t remember how well I did under the Candida diet

when I followed it.  I’m sure I did

a lot better, but all I can remember was counting the days until I could eat

something again.  I was so tired of

chicken and so tired of spelt bread.  My

doctor only made me stay on it for 90 days – but it was the longest 90

days!

My doctor recommended doing something low carb because he

knew it would be easier for me to follow.

I completely admire everyone who is able to follow the

Candida diet completely.

Candace

> Hey everyone,

> This is a very general

question. I was just

> wondering how people have felt that the

candida diet,

> etc. have helped them, i.e. which symptoms

have

> cleared up, what has gotten worse, has anyone

> " recovered " from their problems and

eliminated the

> yeast. If it never goes away, and all

this treatment

> is so costly, time consuming and irritating,

it is

> almost better sometimes to just live with the

> symptoms.... What does everyone think?

> Thanks a bunch,

>

>

> =====

> Wolfe

>

>

_________________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Candace. BTW what would you say is the

major contributer to eliminating the chronic Fatigue?

Do you think dietary changes in general (because that

could do if for anyone if they aren't eating healthy

enough) or do you think it is elimination of the

Candida?

Cheers,

--- Candace <candace@...> escribió: > I

do not follow the Candida diet 100% - I am

> currently following Atkins –

> which seems to be helping many of my symptoms. My

> rash is worse, but my

> sinuses are getting better – I still have a nasty

> infection but nothing like

> it was. The Chronic Fatigue is getting better as

> well.

>

> I’m not eating any grains right now – but I am

> eating mushrooms and eggs. I

> am not eating as much cheese as I normally would on

> Atkins, mainly cream

> cheese.

>

> I don’t remember how well I did under the Candida

> diet when I followed it.

> I’m sure I did a lot better, but all I can remember

> was counting the days

> until I could eat something again. I was so tired

> of chicken and so tired

> of spelt bread. My doctor only made me stay on it

> for 90 days – but it was

> the longest 90 days!

>

> My doctor recommended doing something low carb

> because he knew it would be

> easier for me to follow.

>

> I completely admire everyone who is able to follow

> the Candida diet

> completely.

>

>

>

>

> Candace

>

>

> > Hey everyone,

> > This is a very general question. I was just

> > wondering how people have felt that the candida

> diet,

> > etc. have helped them, i.e. which symptoms have

> > cleared up, what has gotten worse, has anyone

> > " recovered " from their problems and eliminated the

> > yeast. If it never goes away, and all this

> treatment

> > is so costly, time consuming and irritating, it is

> > almost better sometimes to just live with the

> > symptoms.... What does everyone think?

> > Thanks a bunch,

> >

> >

> > =====

> > Wolfe

> >

> >

>

_________________________________________________________

> >

[Guest guest]

Sue,

That does help, thank you.

--- candidanomore <candidanomore@...> escribió:

---------------------------------

,

The benefits of the anti-candida diet (+ organic

foods) for me have been:

- minimal gas

- more energy

- minimal head fog

- y.i. almost non-existant

die-off:

- skin rashes (so i reduced my anti-fungal doses)

I have maintained the strict diet for 24 days now.

However, I also

realize that this is not a way of life, it's a way to

control the

symptoms. My future plans include:

- liver flush

- skin brushing

- adopting moritz' advice on eating for your type

- learning more about suppliments

- considering inulin / cold pressed whey ... ?

I'm really not certain how I will proceed. I'm trying

to be patient

and apply change gradually so I don't feel

overwhelmed.

I hope this helps.

Sue.

> > Hey everyone,

> > This is a very general question. I was just

> > wondering how people have felt that the candida

diet,

> > etc. have helped them, i.e. which symptoms have

> > cleared up, what has gotten worse, has anyone

> > " recovered " from their problems and eliminated the

> > yeast. If it never goes away, and all this

treatment

> > is so costly, time consuming and irritating, it is

> > almost better sometimes to just live with the

> > symptoms.... What does everyone think?

> > Thanks a bunch,

> >

> >

> > =====

> > Wolfe

> >

> >

_________________________________________________________

> >

[Guest guest]

That’s great Sue!!!

Which version of the Candida diet are you following?

Candace

From: candidanomore

[mailto:candidanomore@...]

Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2004

3:08 PM

candidiasis

Subject: Re: healing

,

The benefits of the anti-candida diet (+ organic

foods) for me have been:

- minimal gas

- more energy

- minimal head fog

- y.i. almost non-existant

die-off:

- skin rashes (so i reduced my anti-fungal doses)

I have maintained the strict diet for 24 days now.

However, I also

realize that this is not a way of life, it's a way

to control the

symptoms. My future plans include:

- liver flush

- skin brushing

- adopting moritz' advice on eating for your type

- learning more about suppliments

- considering inulin / cold pressed whey ... ?

I'm really not certain how I will proceed. I'm

trying to be patient

and apply change gradually so I don't feel

overwhelmed.

I hope this helps.

Sue.

> > Hey everyone,

> > This is a very general

question. I was just

> > wondering how people have felt that the

candida diet,

> > etc. have helped them, i.e. which

symptoms have

> > cleared up, what has gotten worse, has

anyone

> > " recovered " from their

problems and eliminated the

> > yeast. If it never goes away, and

all this treatment

> > is so costly, time consuming and

irritating, it is

> > almost better sometimes to just live

with the

> > symptoms.... What does everyone think?

> > Thanks a bunch,

> >

> >

> > =====

> > Wolfe

> >

> >

_________________________________________________________

> >

[Guest guest]

,

What do you mean by throwing in the towel? I

believe everyone should aim to be healthy, avoid

sugars/fake foods, etc. For candida or not, but I'm

just wondering if it really is worth it for me (the

candida diet, and all the changes... etc.) that's not

to say I would ever not do any of the things, many of

them are good ideas, especially for your avererage

person who lives in north america and eats too much

crap and doesn't take care of themselves. And many

things are enjoyable, such as the baths, etc.

Why don't you follow the diet? What changes have

you made then (I don't meant that to sound snarky if

it does). Thanks for your input.

--- jcgre <johngrellner@...> escribió:

---------------------------------

symptoms will get worse probably, as will underlying

problems, ending

in serious chronic disease. I agree the diet does not

work, but

throwing in the towel could have a very high cost.

> Hey everyone,

> This is a very general question. I was just

> wondering how people have felt that the candida

diet,

> etc. have helped them, i.e. which symptoms have

> cleared up, what has gotten worse, has anyone

> " recovered " from their problems and eliminated the

> yeast. If it never goes away, and all this

treatment

> is so costly, time consuming and irritating, it is

> almost better sometimes to just live with the

> symptoms.... What does everyone think?

> Thanks a bunch,

>

>

> =====

> Wolfe

>

>

_________________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

Well I would believe it is a combination of both.  I haven’t had any grains in 6 days and I

can tell a huge difference.  For me, but

not necessarily for everyone, I believe the chronic fatigue is connected to my

Candida, 100%.  The only time I really

have to deal with it is when I’ve ran a muck for a while and just let my food

fantasies go mad.  Usually I feel bad

from the carb high for a few days as well.

I couldn’t tell you if that is true for everyone.

I just know if my Candida is under control, I have plenty of

energy.

Candace

From: Wolfe

[mailto:mel_w_cr@...]

Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2004

4:16 PM

candidiasis

Subject: RE: Re:

healing

Thanks Candace. BTW what would you say is the

major contributer to eliminating the chronic

Fatigue?

Do you think dietary changes in general (because

that

could do if for anyone if they aren't eating

healthy

enough) or do you think it is elimination of the

Candida?

Cheers,

--- Candace <candace@...>

escribió: > I

do not follow the Candida diet 100% - I am

> currently following Atkins –

> which seems to be helping many of my

symptoms. My

> rash is worse, but my

> sinuses are getting better – I still

have a nasty

> infection but nothing like

> it was. The Chronic Fatigue is getting

better as

> well.

>

> I’m not eating any grains right now

– but I am

> eating mushrooms and eggs. I

> am not eating as much cheese as I normally

would on

> Atkins, mainly cream

> cheese.

>

> I don’t remember how well I did under

the Candida

> diet when I followed it.

> I’m sure I did a lot better, but all I can

remember

> was counting the days

> until I could eat something again. I

was so tired

> of chicken and so tired

> of spelt bread. My doctor only made me

stay on it

> for 90 days – but it was

> the longest 90 days!

>

> My doctor recommended doing something low

carb

> because he knew it would be

> easier for me to follow.

>

> I completely admire everyone who is able to

follow

> the Candida diet

> completely.

>

>

>

>

> Candace

>

>

> > Hey everyone,

> > This is a very general

question. I was just

> > wondering how people have felt that the

candida

> diet,

> > etc. have helped them, i.e. which

symptoms have

> > cleared up, what has gotten worse, has

anyone

> > " recovered " from their

problems and eliminated the

> > yeast. If it never goes away, and

all this

> treatment

> > is so costly, time consuming and

irritating, it is

> > almost better sometimes to just live

with the

> > symptoms.... What does everyone think?

> > Thanks a bunch,

> >

> >

> > =====

> > Wolfe

> >

> >

>

_________________________________________________________

> >

[Guest guest]

Hey Penny-

I still vividly remember when it first dawned on me that candida too

was just a symptom. a powerful moment not to be forgotten. Be

careful with the mercury, taking them out can put a powerful load on

the body, which may not be ready to deal with. Seriously think about

some real cleansing first, clean you out and make you strong in

preparation.

johng

> Hi:

>

> I guess I've read every post on this site for the past three months

or more.

> What I've learned in that time has been...........well, astounding.

>

> I've been battling Candida for 15 years. And completely agree with

jcgre,

> if you don't try to get yourself well, it will only get worse.

>

> In my latest battle with Candida, I have not touched wheat, dairy,

corn,

> sugar, yada, yada, yada for four and a half months (except, I

confess, four

> cookies and a mincemeat tart on Christmas day) I also take

supplements out

> the wazoo. And Udo's oil and inulin and whey. And on and on.

>

> Then, two weeks ago today, I had mouth surgery and have since slowly

slipped

> downhill. Yesterday, I was at the bottom of the barrel. Today, enough

> energy to sit in front of the computer but not much else.

>

> It occurred to me that this should not be happening. I have done

nothing to

> encourage the Candida and have kept my mouth scrupulously clean as

far as

> infection goes.

>

> A lightbulb is dawning. I am beginning to see what jcgre and the

others are

> saying. For some of us at least, Candida may be a symptom of an

underlying

> problem and not THE problem per se.

>

> I have an appointment tomorrow to see about having the mercury

removed from

> mouth, etc. And I am " hyped " (as someone 1/4 my age would say). Maybe

> there is a light at the end of the tunnel!! Oh please oh please oh

please.

>

>

>

> Re: healing

>

>

> symptoms will get worse probably, as will underlying problems, ending

> in serious chronic disease. I agree the diet does not work, but

> throwing in the towel could have a very high cost.

[Guest guest]

-

no problem, my messages can be vague and hard to follow. What I mean

by that is I don't avoid carbs and natural sugars. I don't believe

that trying to starve candida will solve the health issues of people

on this list. I turn the problem on its head. I want to cure the

underlying problem that leads to candida overgrowth the candida my

cause some health problems, but the biggest problems are what caused

the candida.

That is not to say I eat the typical american diet. to the contrary,

I avoid processed foods as much as possible, don't eat refined sugars,

and try to eat a healthy whole foods diet that will help heal my body.

the key to recovering from candida while eating fruit and natural

carbs is to cleanse the liver, cleanse the colon, cleanse the kidney,

eat a " healthy " (see Moritz, " key to health and rejuvenation " ) and

make certain lifestyle changes relating to sleep, exercise,

meditation, stress ect. In short, become a whole person again.

anyone can do it.

I have even read and believe that trying to starve candida without

addressing a persons underlying issues can lead to serious long term

complications, none the least of which is a miserable life where food

is seen as the enemy.

johng

> > Hey everyone,

> > This is a very general question. I was just

> > wondering how people have felt that the candida

> diet,

> > etc. have helped them, i.e. which symptoms have

> > cleared up, what has gotten worse, has anyone

> > " recovered " from their problems and eliminated the

> > yeast. If it never goes away, and all this

> treatment

> > is so costly, time consuming and irritating, it is

> > almost better sometimes to just live with the

> > symptoms.... What does everyone think?

> > Thanks a bunch,

> >

> >

> > =====

> > Wolfe

> >

> >

> _________________________________________________________

> >

[Guest guest]

The strictest. No grains. Organic meats (i'm thinking about using

whey), organic veggies, lemons, yoghurt (1 cup/day), stevia. I reached

a point where I could no longer function. That's been my motivation.

I started by grocery shopping for one meal at a time so I could not

binge on anything. Then moved to grocery shopping for one day at a

time. After 24 days, overeating is not a concern anymore.

I admit my method is extreme. I agree with other's advice to pace

yourself and eliminate foods gradually.

The main benefit I have seen from following this extreme method is

that I am more relaxed and patient now. I don't have head fog or food

cravings the entire day as I used to. I don't feel deprived. I am more

likely to stick to a healing plan now that I can focus. (The yeasties

are not distracting me with sugar cravings or headaches)

We'll see what happens

> > > Hey everyone,

> > > This is a very general question. I was just

> > > wondering how people have felt that the candida diet,

> > > etc. have helped them, i.e. which symptoms have

> > > cleared up, what has gotten worse, has anyone

> > > " recovered " from their problems and eliminated the

> > > yeast. If it never goes away, and all this treatment

> > > is so costly, time consuming and irritating, it is

> > > almost better sometimes to just live with the

> > > symptoms.... What does everyone think?

> > > Thanks a bunch,

> > >

> > >

> > > =====

> > > Wolfe

> > >

> > > _________________________________________________________

> > >

[Guest guest]

g: - Thanks for that advice. But now I'm puzzled - I thought I read

somewhere to get rid of the amalgam fillings first, then do the other

cleanses?

Re: healing

> >

> >

> > symptoms will get worse probably, as will underlying problems, ending

> > in serious chronic disease. I agree the diet does not work, but

> > throwing in the towel could have a very high cost.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

What about beef, mushrooms, onions, eggs, and soy?  Do you do with out those things too?  I think I can do without many things but

mushrooms and onions were the things that I had the hardest time without.  I can live without dairy – I don’t

like it but I can do it.

I do have better clarity without the grain!

I cannot afford the organic stuff just yet.  Once I can again, we will definitely go back

to that – better flavor!

I admire people who can stick with the strict stuff!!

Candace

From: candidanomore

[mailto:candidanomore@...]

Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2004

6:00 PM

candidiasis

Subject: Re: healing

The strictest. No grains. Organic meats (i'm thinking about using

whey), organic veggies, lemons, yoghurt (1

cup/day), stevia. I reached

a point where I could no longer function. That's

been my motivation.

I started by grocery shopping for one meal at a

time so I could not

binge on anything. Then moved to grocery shopping

for one day at a

time. After 24 days, overeating is not a concern

anymore.

I admit my method is extreme. I agree with other's

advice to pace

yourself and eliminate foods gradually.

The main benefit I have seen from following this

extreme method is

that I am more relaxed and patient now. I don't

have head fog or food

cravings the entire day as I used to. I don't feel

deprived. I am more

likely to stick to a healing plan now that I can

focus. (The yeasties

are not distracting me with sugar cravings or

headaches)

We'll see what happens

> > > Hey everyone,

> > > This is a very general

question. I was just

> > > wondering how people have felt that

the candida diet,

> > > etc. have helped them, i.e. which

symptoms have

> > > cleared up, what has gotten worse,

has anyone

> > > " recovered " from their

problems and eliminated the

> > > yeast. If it never goes away,

and all this treatment

> > > is so costly, time consuming and

irritating, it is

> > > almost better sometimes to just

live with the

> > > symptoms.... What does everyone

think?

> > > Thanks a bunch,

> > >

> > >

> > > =====

> > > Wolfe

> > >

> > > _________________________________________________________

> > >

[Guest guest]

I think it depends on a lot of things, including how big the filling

is and how it is taken out. If any gets into your system, which is

hard to prevent, you want your body's pathways of elimination strong

so it can rid iteslf of the mercury and other metals. s

recommends one filling at a time, with two months in between. as

well as eating foods with plenty of vitamin C and selenium.

johng

> > > Hi:

> > >

> > > I guess I've read every post on this site for the past three

months

> > or more.

> > > What I've learned in that time has been...........well,

astounding.

> > >

> > > I've been battling Candida for 15 years. And completely agree

with

> > jcgre,

> > > if you don't try to get yourself well, it will only get worse.

> > >

> > > In my latest battle with Candida, I have not touched wheat,

dairy,

> > corn,

> > > sugar, yada, yada, yada for four and a half months (except, I

> > confess, four

> > > cookies and a mincemeat tart on Christmas day) I also take

> > supplements out

> > > the wazoo. And Udo's oil and inulin and whey. And on and on.

> > >

> > > Then, two weeks ago today, I had mouth surgery and have since

slowly

> > slipped

> > > downhill. Yesterday, I was at the bottom of the barrel. Today,

enough

> > > energy to sit in front of the computer but not much else.

> > >

> > > It occurred to me that this should not be happening. I have

done

> > nothing to

> > > encourage the Candida and have kept my mouth scrupulously clean

as

> > far as

> > > infection goes.

> > >

> > > A lightbulb is dawning. I am beginning to see what jcgre and

the

> > others are

> > > saying. For some of us at least, Candida may be a symptom of an

> > underlying

> > > problem and not THE problem per se.

> > >

> > > I have an appointment tomorrow to see about having the mercury

> > removed from

> > > mouth, etc. And I am " hyped " (as someone 1/4 my age would

say). Maybe

> > > there is a light at the end of the tunnel!! Oh please oh

please oh

> > please.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Re: healing

> > >

> > >

> > > symptoms will get worse probably, as will underlying problems,

ending

> > > in serious chronic disease. I agree the diet does not work, but

> > > throwing in the towel could have a very high cost.

> >

> >

> >

> >