Guest guest Posted November 14, 2004 Report Share Posted November 14, 2004 Heidi Schuppenhauer <heidis@...> wrote: > But their bones are really, really hard on the >outside, nice calcification. A very thin layer of very >strong calcified bone, surrounding a big hollow area, >like a soda straw. This is exactly what I was referring to...if the bones of birds were not hollow in the center, they could not fly. mary Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 2004 Report Share Posted November 14, 2004 Heidi said " I don't know what the mineral content is of a pulverized fish-head mixed in with kimchi, but it's gotta be up there ... " wow, you're making me hungry...<runs off to the kitchen to get some of that> B. On Sun, 14 Nov 2004 11:42:24 -0800, Heidi Schuppenhauer <heidis@...> wrote: > > >I understood that all fruits--except persimmons--are alkalinizing. > >OTOH eating all that fruit causes calcium to be leached from the > >bones--maybe that's the alkalinizing effect? I'm rehabbing a ten-year > >vegan/fruitarian now. Not pretty. no. > > B. > > Well, you see this is where the whole bit about acid/base gets confusing. > One side is talking about the minerals FROM the fruit/vegies (esp. calcium > and > potassium). The other is talking about the actual acids in the fruit (H+). > > My basic take from the reading I've done is that humans are designed to eat > LOTS of calcium and protein ... like, meat with the bones! Our ancestors > ate the little bones, lots of stuff like whole fish, insects, and baby > birds. Studies of > the c*** of early humans shows they ate a lot of bones, fur, scales, sand. > Calcium deficient diet was not an issue! They would have been great on > Fear Factor. Most non-Westernized cultures still eat things like whole baby > fish. > > A lot of the internal processes require calcium, eating fruit might be one > of them, > and if you don't get the calcium from food the body steals it from > the bones. Most Westerners just don't get enough calcium. Plus they > have messed up digestion so don't have enough Vit. K, and don't > get enough Vit D either, so they don't use the calcium they do get. > > Most of the discussion about " acid " foods though, is from a vegetarian > viewpoint, and boils down to getting enough minerals from vegies and > avoiding meat (because it is " acid " ). But if you want minerals, bones > are the way to go, they have a lot more minerals than vegies ever could! > I don't know what the mineral content is of a pulverized fish-head > mixed in with kimchi, but it's gotta be up there ... > > > > Heidi Jean > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 2004 Report Share Posted November 14, 2004 >Heidi, >I agree with you if for no other reason than I'd much rather see people doing it naturally than from a powder or a pill. How about juicing too, to get the calcium from greens? Wouldn't that be a better option than eating a powder? No matter how natural they claim it is, it can't be as natural as the pure food. (Assuming you're eating good produce, of course.) >Carol Well, I think the best bet is to ferment some bones! I don't know the best way to do that, I'm still experimenting, but my current best way is to add whole dried anchovies (blended in a blender) to my kimchi. I think whole fish bones would work too. Probably adding bones to an EM mix until they disintegrate ... traditionally if you ferment bones they fall apart, then you make them into these little balls and put them in soups etc. When I was a kid I was given " bone meal pills " which were basically ground up bones. They don't want to sell them now, I think, because of the possible prion issue, but fermenting the bones would solve that problem. Anyway, this is a fermentation group, we should be able to come up with a good methodology. Bones have magnesium too, and other trace minerals. I don't agree greens are the best way to get minerals, period, unless you are a cow. And even cows get mineral licks or they will lick rocks. Chickens eat rocks (many have calcium) and whole insects. > Heidi Jean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 2004 Report Share Posted November 14, 2004 >Darn it! I just went to the market and I forgot to look for dried >fishies! And I got all of the other kimchi ingredients >Deanna I have a couple of salmon heads in the freezer ... I want to try those ... Heidi Jean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 2004 Report Share Posted November 14, 2004 >Heidi, > >I've been thinking about this for some time now and still haven't sussed a way of pulverizing the bones. I've been thinking about doing a long EM brew with tons of chicken bones, and maybe the smallest beef bones I can find. I've also been thinking about doing it with egg shells. If bones are just soaked in vinegar, they get soft. I'd guess they would fall apart nicely with the right ferment. EM might be the ticket. Folks in Africa manage to ferment bones down to a pulp. I was considering putting the bones through an old garbage disposal or wood chipper, but I'd like to find something easier. If I could just toss some bones into a fermentation vessel and check on them in a month, wow! Great way to get rid of garbage too. Heidi Jean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 2004 Report Share Posted November 14, 2004 >This is exactly what I was referring to...if the bones of birds were not hollow in the center, they could not fly. > >mary Right, but being " hollow " isn't the same as being " porous " . To be hollow they have to be very well calcified, so the bird is getting plenty of calcium/magnesium etc. A porous bone is like a sponge, weak, with holes all over it. Most bones are hollow in the center though, with marrow in the middle. Bird bones have air instead of marrow, and a thinner wall. But that isn't because of lack of calcium or too much oxylate. Heidi Jean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2004 Report Share Posted November 15, 2004 I didn't mean to say greens were better than bones, just better than pills or powders, and something the average person should think of readily, whereas they wouldn't maybe think of bones, though it does seem obvious......and yet they can't seem to think of anything but artificial means, which I just don't understand. The anchovies sound good to me. I'll have to look for a source in town. I only know of one oriental market, but there may be more. After you blend them in your blender, do you then just mix them into the kimchi, so that there are tiny pieces all through it? Carol Well, I think the best bet is to ferment some bones! I don't know the best way to do that, I'm still experimenting, but my current best way is to add whole dried anchovies (blended in a blender) to my kimchi. I think whole fish bones would work too. Probably adding bones to an EM mix until they disintegrate ... traditionally if you ferment bones they fall apart, then you make them into these little balls and put them in soups etc. When I was a kid I was given " bone meal pills " which were basically ground up bones. They don't want to sell them now, I think, because of the possible prion issue, but fermenting the bones would solve that problem. Anyway, this is a fermentation group, we should be able to come up with a good methodology. Bones have magnesium too, and other trace minerals. I don't agree greens are the best way to get minerals, period, unless you are a cow. And even cows get mineral licks or they will lick rocks. Chickens eat rocks (many have calcium) and whole insects. > Heidi Jean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2004 Report Share Posted November 15, 2004 I've read they found many bone meal tabs contained lead. Why that would be, I have no idea. Plus, they've also come up with all the other forms of minerals that are supposed to be absorbed more readily. (Besides, they can always charge more the 'newer and better' products.) Carol Heidi, I do not know what the reason for not selling such 'pills' might be but I was one of the ones who (20+ years ago) got a severe kidney infection EVERY time I took these pills. I learned that many had this problem! mary Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2004 Report Share Posted November 15, 2004 >I didn't mean to say greens were better than bones, just better than pills or powders, and something the average person should think of readily, whereas they wouldn't maybe think of bones, though it does seem obvious......and yet they can't seem to think of anything but artificial means, which I just don't understand. Ah, don't get me started on " the standard American " and what they believe! Just walk down the supermarket aisle ... >The anchovies sound good to me. I'll have to look for a source in town. I only know of one oriental market, but there may be more. After you blend them in your blender, do you then just mix them into the kimchi, so that there are tiny pieces all through it? >Carol Yep. Just blend them into a powder more or less and mix them in. You can't tell they are there except for an additional yumminess to the kimchi. I expect eggshells or any bones grindable in the blender would work for mineral content too. Heidi Jean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2004 Report Share Posted November 15, 2004 >Heidi, > >I do not know what the reason for not selling such 'pills' might be but I was one of the ones who (20+ years ago) got a severe kidney infection EVERY time I took these pills. I learned that many had this problem! > >mary Wow, that is interesting! We never had any problems ... my Dad gave them to us after my older two sisters got too many cavities. After we started taking them we got far fewer cavities. I wonder what the problem was that they would cause kidney infections ????? Heidi Jean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2005 Report Share Posted October 9, 2005 On 10/9/05, mary@... <mary@...> wrote: > I was taking a combination of bicarbonates called Alka Clear to help > my digestion problems. It fixed my digestion but my Candida seemed to > get worse. So, I cut out the Alka Clear. After two weeks my digestion > is still OK but my Candida hasn't got better. > > Has anyone else found that acid/alkaline balance effects their > Candida? > > Any ideas what is going on? Sure: candida thrives in an alkaline environment and suffers in an acidic environment. This is actually true for most microbes. That is one of many reasons for the acidity of the stomach, and why nearly all if not all probiotic organisms are acid-producing and why all safe fermented foods and probiotic foods are acidic. Chris -- Statin Drugs Kill Your Brain And Cause Transient Global Amnesia: http://www.cholesterol-and-health.com/Statin-Drugs-Side-Effects.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2007 Report Share Posted September 9, 2007 Simon dear, are you reading? Others are promoting your book....... Reg > > > Acid-Alkaline balance is very easy to achieve through food. The best > help you can get is book called: " Modern Day Macrobiotics " by Slmon > Brown. His website is: www.chienergy.co.uk > > Good luck > Jayne. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2007 Report Share Posted September 9, 2007 Simon dear, are you reading? Others are promoting your book....... Reg > > > Acid-Alkaline balance is very easy to achieve through food. The best > help you can get is book called: " Modern Day Macrobiotics " by Slmon > Brown. His website is: www.chienergy.co.uk > > Good luck > Jayne. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2011 Report Share Posted March 30, 2011 been doing ph strip testing for my acid/alkaline balance but find there is a large difference between urine sample and saliva sample. i am 80% Alkaline with urine yet only about 50% which one do i go by maria Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2011 Report Share Posted March 30, 2011 I have not gotten a handle on the pH thing. The pH of the urine is what is being removed from the body, not what the body is. I still cannot reconcile the idea of dumping baking soda in the stomach acid to make the body alkaline. The acid simply neutralizes it, and then you don't have enough acid in the stomach to digest food effectively. I am still convinced however, that a serious pH change in direct contact with cancers, as in skin cancer and cervical cancer should be seriously considered, as it can do no harm and might do a world of good. Francie > > > > been doing ph strip testing for my acid/alkaline balance but find there is a large difference between urine sample and saliva sample. i am 80% Alkaline with urine yet only about 50% which one do i go by > > > > maria > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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