question

[Guest guest]

Yep, I had interferon 20 mg IV 5 days a week for a month for melanoma.

Alley

[Guest guest]

The longer you do treatment the more tired you get, that's pretty normal. The

meds build up in your system over time and your body gets plum tuckered out.

My hair thinned a lot on treatment, but it came back. I just whacked it all off.

Was almost to my waist and I was too tired to mess with it on treatment so I cut

it off to an inch or two all around and died it red and spiked it up punk (I was

dark blonde lol). Talk about going wild! (for me that is wild, my husband nearly

freaked). But it was fun . I knew I couldn't maintain that long mess and had

to cut it, why not have fun with it? Now I'm growing it out. It's down to my

shoulders, about where I'll keep it now. I'm too lazy to mess with hair much

anymore.

I ordered groceries online (albertsons.com in my area delivers for $10.00 and it

was worth the price cuz I was pooped), got a maid every other month to clean the

toilets, and made sure the groceries were nukable and made the family cook for

themselves while I hogged the remote and propped my feet up.

Don't hesitate to take advantage of this time of your life. Look on the good

side! You be sick. Make THEM work!! Their (the family) is good for something,

we hope anyway. And if they don't, shame their lazy butts into it. lol I

babysat my daughter's two preschoolers on treatment and they kept me busy and

focused on other things so I really didn't get to lie around much, but they were

good kids and daughter kept house for me on her day off. If hubby didn't do

laundry, hubby had no clean clothes. If hubby didn't do dishes, hubby had no

clean dishes. It's as simple as that.

Nothing wrong with accepting you don't feel good, cuz you DON " T. And don't let

nobody tell you no different. Most people don't feel peachy keen on treatment.

Family don't like it, tell family to do treatment lol. Remind them that if it

were cancer, they wouldn't be ignoring the situation. Tell them to substitute

" cancer " for " hep C " and " chemo " for " treatment " and there ya go. They'd be all

'oh honey what can I do to help you, you poor thang'. Wouldn't they?

My advice, use it. Take advantage of it best ya can.

Don't feel guilty.

It doesn't last forever.

Relax.

Take a deep breath.

Get a big stick.

Hit anybody who gives you a hard time up side the head and tell God they died

(an old saying in my family, don't really do it, I'd be liable .

((((((((( hugs ))))))))) to you

Alley

[Guest guest]

The longer you do treatment the more tired you get, that's pretty normal. The

meds build up in your system over time and your body gets plum tuckered out.

My hair thinned a lot on treatment, but it came back. I just whacked it all off.

Was almost to my waist and I was too tired to mess with it on treatment so I cut

it off to an inch or two all around and died it red and spiked it up punk (I was

dark blonde lol). Talk about going wild! (for me that is wild, my husband nearly

freaked). But it was fun . I knew I couldn't maintain that long mess and had

to cut it, why not have fun with it? Now I'm growing it out. It's down to my

shoulders, about where I'll keep it now. I'm too lazy to mess with hair much

anymore.

I ordered groceries online (albertsons.com in my area delivers for $10.00 and it

was worth the price cuz I was pooped), got a maid every other month to clean the

toilets, and made sure the groceries were nukable and made the family cook for

themselves while I hogged the remote and propped my feet up.

Don't hesitate to take advantage of this time of your life. Look on the good

side! You be sick. Make THEM work!! Their (the family) is good for something,

we hope anyway. And if they don't, shame their lazy butts into it. lol I

babysat my daughter's two preschoolers on treatment and they kept me busy and

focused on other things so I really didn't get to lie around much, but they were

good kids and daughter kept house for me on her day off. If hubby didn't do

laundry, hubby had no clean clothes. If hubby didn't do dishes, hubby had no

clean dishes. It's as simple as that.

Nothing wrong with accepting you don't feel good, cuz you DON " T. And don't let

nobody tell you no different. Most people don't feel peachy keen on treatment.

Family don't like it, tell family to do treatment lol. Remind them that if it

were cancer, they wouldn't be ignoring the situation. Tell them to substitute

" cancer " for " hep C " and " chemo " for " treatment " and there ya go. They'd be all

'oh honey what can I do to help you, you poor thang'. Wouldn't they?

My advice, use it. Take advantage of it best ya can.

Don't feel guilty.

It doesn't last forever.

Relax.

Take a deep breath.

Get a big stick.

Hit anybody who gives you a hard time up side the head and tell God they died

(an old saying in my family, don't really do it, I'd be liable .

((((((((( hugs ))))))))) to you

Alley

[Guest guest]

Well, yeah considering that 3-4 percent of people who take SSRI's go nuts

and

kill themselves or someone else or if they are lucky then just become

permanently

damaged by the drugs.

The drug companies listen to the psychiatrists who say that the " theory " is

serotonin

left in the brain can relieve depression. but they don't know for sure and

have ignored their

own studies that showed suicidal tendencies because they had to much money

in it by then.

If you ever want to suffer through the studies with a big dictionary you

will see " may "

" could " " it appears " and other disclaimer words until you figure out they

don't know

what causes depression and don't know how the drugs work, they are selling a

product.

19 year old Traci was laughing and talking with her friend on the

phone

about what they would do when she got out of the drug study and the next

morning

she was found hanging from a shower rod in Eli Lilly's laboratory living

quarters.

She was in the healthy group studying the safety of the new SSRI Cymbalta

which

your doctor could prescribe for you tomorrow if your not careful since the

FDA

still went ahead and approved the drug after 6 suicides during the tests.

There have been stories like this, way too many, for years and years.

Would too much seratonin in the brain produce mania?

[Guest guest]

Well, yeah considering that 3-4 percent of people who take SSRI's go nuts

and

kill themselves or someone else or if they are lucky then just become

permanently

damaged by the drugs.

The drug companies listen to the psychiatrists who say that the " theory " is

serotonin

left in the brain can relieve depression. but they don't know for sure and

have ignored their

own studies that showed suicidal tendencies because they had to much money

in it by then.

If you ever want to suffer through the studies with a big dictionary you

will see " may "

" could " " it appears " and other disclaimer words until you figure out they

don't know

what causes depression and don't know how the drugs work, they are selling a

product.

19 year old Traci was laughing and talking with her friend on the

phone

about what they would do when she got out of the drug study and the next

morning

she was found hanging from a shower rod in Eli Lilly's laboratory living

quarters.

She was in the healthy group studying the safety of the new SSRI Cymbalta

which

your doctor could prescribe for you tomorrow if your not careful since the

FDA

still went ahead and approved the drug after 6 suicides during the tests.

There have been stories like this, way too many, for years and years.

Would too much seratonin in the brain produce mania?

[Guest guest]

Hi Debra

Have you done the saliva test?

Instructions below.

Saliva Test for Candida

Fast and Free Home Test

You can try this simple test to see if you have

candida: First thing in the morning, before you put

ANYTHING in your mouth, get a clear glass. Fill with

water and work up a bit of saliva, then spit it into

the glass of water. Check the water every 15 minutes

or so for up to one hour. If you have a problem, you

will see strings (like legs) travelling down into the

water from the saliva floating on the top, or " cloudy "

saliva will sink to the bottom of the glass, or cloudy

specks will seem to be suspended in the water. If

there are no strings and the saliva is still floating

after at least one hour, you probably have candida

under control.

Regards

McKelvey U.K

For Top Quality Aloe Vera, Check Out The Market Forum

On The Curezone Site.

--- Debra <artiste2323@...> wrote:

---------------------------------

I just got back from my homeopathic physician. I had

done a stool

test and he went over the results with me today. The

results are no

yeast in the stool, but the concern is my low good

bacterial count.

He put me on a very powerful probotic to take twice a

day. He wants

me to meet with a nutritionist to work on my diet.

Have dropped so

far about 20 lbs being on the candida diet, no sugars,

white flour,

very low carb and high protein with lots of

vegetables. About 14

days ago I had a horrible painful yeast infection in

which my

gynecologist,who is a different doctor, put me on

boric acid

suppositories. I just finished up last night. I do

feel better. But

still feel like I could possibly have another

breakout. I had also

had a blood test and that was all fine. I get the

results of the

vaginal candida test in a few weeks to see what strain

I have. My

question is who can help me out is that Do I not have

systemic

candida? Because foods still affect me in a way that I

get the brain

fog, jitters, stomach aches, etc and a breakout of

yeast infection.

Any input will be helpful if anyone understands what I

have just

said..LOL. Thank you...

[Guest guest]

A lot of the yeast problems I thought I had were really parasite problems. Have

you done any parasite cleansing?

Debra <artiste2323@...> wrote:

I just got back from my homeopathic physician. I had done a stool

test and he went over the results with me today. The results are no

yeast in the stool, but the concern is my low good bacterial count.

He put me on a very powerful probotic to take twice a day. He wants

me to meet with a nutritionist to work on my diet. Have dropped so

far about 20 lbs being on the candida diet, no sugars, white flour,

very low carb and high protein with lots of vegetables. About 14

days ago I had a horrible painful yeast infection in which my

gynecologist,who is a different doctor, put me on boric acid

suppositories. I just finished up last night. I do feel better. But

still feel like I could possibly have another breakout. I had also

had a blood test and that was all fine. I get the results of the

vaginal candida test in a few weeks to see what strain I have. My

question is who can help me out is that Do I not have systemic

candida? Because foods still affect me in a way that I get the brain

fog, jitters, stomach aches, etc and a breakout of yeast infection.

Any input will be helpful if anyone understands what I have just

said..LOL. Thank you...

[Guest guest]

I never did a parasite cleanse.. What do I need to

do?? Thanks..

--- Westberry <reneewestberry@...> wrote:

> A lot of the yeast problems I thought I had were

> really parasite problems. Have you done any

> parasite cleansing?

>

> Debra <artiste2323@...> wrote:

> I just got back from my homeopathic physician. I

> had done a stool

> test and he went over the results with me today.

> The results are no

> yeast in the stool, but the concern is my low good

> bacterial count.

> He put me on a very powerful probotic to take twice

> a day. He wants

> me to meet with a nutritionist to work on my diet.

> Have dropped so

> far about 20 lbs being on the candida diet, no

> sugars, white flour,

> very low carb and high protein with lots of

> vegetables. About 14

> days ago I had a horrible painful yeast infection in

> which my

> gynecologist,who is a different doctor, put me on

> boric acid

> suppositories. I just finished up last night. I do

> feel better. But

> still feel like I could possibly have another

> breakout. I had also

> had a blood test and that was all fine. I get the

> results of the

> vaginal candida test in a few weeks to see what

> strain I have. My

> question is who can help me out is that Do I not

> have systemic

> candida? Because foods still affect me in a way that

> I get the brain

> fog, jitters, stomach aches, etc and a breakout of

> yeast infection.

> Any input will be helpful if anyone understands what

> I have just

> said..LOL. Thank you...

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Here is an alright explanation:

http://www.curezone.com/clark/parasites.asp

-Tom

Re: question

I never did a parasite cleanse.. What do I need to

do?? Thanks..

--- Westberry <reneewestberry@...> wrote:

> A lot of the yeast problems I thought I had were

> really parasite problems. Have you done any

> parasite cleansing?

>

> Debra <artiste2323@...> wrote:

> I just got back from my homeopathic physician. I

> had done a stool

> test and he went over the results with me today.

> The results are no

> yeast in the stool, but the concern is my low good

> bacterial count.

> He put me on a very powerful probotic to take twice

> a day. He wants

> me to meet with a nutritionist to work on my diet.

> Have dropped so

> far about 20 lbs being on the candida diet, no

> sugars, white flour,

> very low carb and high protein with lots of

> vegetables. About 14

> days ago I had a horrible painful yeast infection in

> which my

> gynecologist,who is a different doctor, put me on

> boric acid

> suppositories. I just finished up last night. I do

> feel better. But

> still feel like I could possibly have another

> breakout. I had also

> had a blood test and that was all fine. I get the

> results of the

> vaginal candida test in a few weeks to see what

> strain I have. My

> question is who can help me out is that Do I not

> have systemic

> candida? Because foods still affect me in a way that

> I get the brain

> fog, jitters, stomach aches, etc and a breakout of

> yeast infection.

> Any input will be helpful if anyone understands what

> I have just

> said..LOL. Thank you...

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Even though my endo said it takes a few weeks to feel the effects of

the meds, I started to feel better right away also. Not the first

day, but definately within the first week. I used to want to go to

sleep by the middle of the afternoon and that was one of the first

hypo symptoms to disappear.

>

> i recently got tested for hypothyroid...everything came back

normal.

> however, since i have so many of the symptoms my endo decided to

put

> me on a small dose to see if it helps. i started feeling better the

> very next day, is this possible? i do have good days every now and

> then, but i've been feeling better since i started it 7 days ago. i

> feel like i can think better, conversate better, and my memory

isn't

> so bad. i usually feel like spaced out and detached from everything

> around me.

> other things i've noticed, i'm in a much much better mood. i'm for

the

> most part usually crabby, but i've been really happy.

> and one other thing, my appetite has not been as big. i haven't

had my

> normal sugar cravings....what's going on? could the medication be

> working already??

[Guest guest]

>

> hope you will be allowed to have enough meds to take care of symtoms.

2/3

> of those who need thyroid meds are untreated b/c of tests. I work with

a

> retarded man age 52 who has congenital hypothyroidism, severe adrenal

> problems and has never been given appropriate meds.

> Gracia

>

> >

> >

> > i recently got tested for hypothyroid...everything came back normal.

> > however, since i have so many of the symptoms my endo decided to put

> > me on a small dose to see if it helps. i started feeling better the

> > very next day, is this possible? i do have good days every now and

> > then, but i've been feeling better since i started it 7 days ago. i

> > feel like i can think better, conversate better, and my memory isn't

> > so bad. i usually feel like spaced out and detached from everything

> > around me.

> > other things i've noticed, i'm in a much much better mood. i'm for the

> > most part usually crabby, but i've been really happy.

> > and one other thing, my appetite has not been as big. i haven't had my

> > normal sugar cravings....what's going on? could the medication be

> > working already??

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I don't beleive that the medicine can seep out of his pores. Just

think of cancer patients, I have never heard of that before. I

usually have one bad day after my shot but then I am fine. Have him

drink more water......

> Good morning! It has been a while since I posted last. My husband

is now on week 8 of treatment. He is taking pegylated interferon and

ribavirin.

>

> My question is about the spouses of patients on treatment. I

noticed that the evening my husband takes his shot and for a couple

of days afterwards he is hot and sweats a lot in his sleep. In the

middle of the night it will wake me up and I will scoot over and I

find myself almost on the floor by the morning (trying to escape his

body heat). I feel different (dizzy and nauseous) for about an hour

or two after waking up for a couple of days after he takes his shot.

He takes his shot on Friday evenings so Friday and Saturday nights

are the only nights that it bothers me. Is it possible that some of

the medicine is excreting out of his pores and being absorbed

through my pores? I have been trying to keep a pillow between us for

a couple of nights after his shot and I feel fine in the morning if

the pillow stays between us and doesn't end up being moved in our

sleep.

>

> I am just curious if this has happened to anyone else?

>

> Another strange note... my husband never was a fan of chocolate

before but he craves chocolate now. He says that chocolate never

tasted as good as it does to him now. Some things don't taste as

good to him anymore and some things that he didn't like now taste

good but he is diggin' the chocolate lately. I know that people's

taste can be altered for a while but I wasn't sure if chocolate was

a typical thing to crave.

>

> Just things that I have noticed...

>

>

[Guest guest]

I just have this great idea and I need to know if that acronym is trade

marked or not..

[Guest guest]

Not yet.. in a bit.. once I have it started.. then I will let you all in..

In my mind this is a pretty good idea.. but from mind to paper.. a lot of

things get messed up.. eventually though.. you all will know..

[Guest guest]

Bitner at the AJAO was supposed to get back to me on that one...I

asked the very same question about a week ago...

and Rob 15 Spondy

On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 18:34:40 EST bncknwurnumber@... writes:

Is there a copy write on KGAT? I'm just curious because I have a really

cool idea on how to bring about awarness but I need to know whether or

not I can

use that term or if I will get in trouble. So if anyone knows.. reply

ASPA

[Guest guest]

-Look on your copy of KGAT paper and see if theres a little r next

to the tittle.. I dont know where my copies are at the moment

otherwise I would look. I figure if it doesnt carry the trademark R

then its fair game???

Hugs Helen and (7,systemic)

p.s gonna share with us what idea you have???

r@a... wrote:

> I just have this great idea and I need to know if that acronym is

trade

> marked or not..

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

-Well now you have my interest peeked!!!

I'm sure it will be a great idea, Can't wait to hear about it.

hugs Helen and (7,systemic)

-- In , bncknwurnumber@a... wrote:

> Not yet.. in a bit.. once I have it started.. then I will let you

all in..

> In my mind this is a pretty good idea.. but from mind to paper.. a

lot of

> things get messed up.. eventually though.. you all will know..

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I have a copy of KGAT here. There is not a COPYRIGHT notation

anywhere in the publication. It states that it is " a bimonthly

publication of the AJAO/A council of the AF " . It does state that

material in the publication may not be reprinted without the written

permission from the editorial offices in Atlanta.

I'm no lawyer, but hopefully will hear from Bitner SOON

about whether we can use KGAT.

Stacia and Hunter 8 systemic iritis

>

> -Look on your copy of KGAT paper and see if theres a little r next

> to the tittle.. I dont know where my copies are at the moment

> otherwise I would look. I figure if it doesnt carry the trademark

R

> then its fair game???

>

> Hugs Helen and (7,systemic)

>

>

[Guest guest]

Looking at one right now and no R in a little circle anywhere.It looks like

just at differant points they use kgat to shorten it.

Now on the second page where they have the section to order kgat it shows

that it's sponcered by Amgen and Wyeth which do have the R in the circle.

Looks like fair game.

Becki

[Guest guest]

Vona J Marengo wrote:

> Hope this isn't too stupid a question! Can any of these fermented foods

> go bad in the fridge? The last sauerkraut I made isn't very crisp and

> even though it smells OK I was curious! don't want to eat something if

> it can make me ill LOL

>

> Vona

It doesn't go " bad " in the sense of making you sick (theoretically it

could get moldy I guess, but I've never seen it). But it does get more

sour and then mushy, and then it starts to go sweet sort of, which

doesn't taste good at all. Vinegar does something similar, keep it long

enough and it goes sweet, you get balsamic vinegar! I've kept kimchi for

a year or two ... when it's older though it's mainly good for cooking,

not crisp enough for me.

-- Heidi Jean

[Guest guest]

> > Can any of these fermented foods

> > go bad in the fridge?

>

> It doesn't go " bad " in the sense of making you sick (theoretically it

> could get moldy I guess, but I've never seen it). But it does get more

> sour and then mushy, and then it starts to go sweet sort of, which

> doesn't taste good at all.

That's interesting Heidi. I made some fermented vegetables last fall with kimchi

like ingredients, I will probably try them some time in March when they should

be done.

I like the idea of being able to store my fermented vegetables at room

temperatures with little worry about how long they will keep.

The longest I have stored fermented vegetables is about 15 years. I still have

some jars that are that old. They are well sealed and the quality has varied

very little. They are still crisp and tasty. : -)

I wonder where the difference is? The exposure to air maybe? Salt levels?

Crushing? I don't use an innoculant.

I do wonder about temperature as I have found low temperatures to be disastrous

to my ferments where as the traditional kimchi ferments are done at lower

temperatures. That is still a puzzle to me.

I try to get my ferments off to a vigorous start as quickly as possible.

I believe this is a critical stage that determines the overall quality of the

finished ferment.

I guess napa cabbage is a different animal. I wish I could grow it here.

regards, Bruce

[Guest guest]

Bruce Stordock wrote:

> > > Can any of these fermented foods

> > > go bad in the fridge?

> >

> > It doesn't go " bad " in the sense of making you sick (theoretically it

> > could get moldy I guess, but I've never seen it). But it does get more

> > sour and then mushy, and then it starts to go sweet sort of, which

> > doesn't taste good at all.

>

> That's interesting Heidi. I made some fermented vegetables last fall

> with kimchi

> like ingredients, I will probably try them some time in March when they

> should

> be done.

March???? Most Korean kimchi is eaten quite soon after it is made. I

think mine is best in the first month.

> I like the idea of being able to store my fermented vegetables at room

> temperatures with little worry about how long they will keep.

>

> The longest I have stored fermented vegetables is about 15 years. I

> still have

> some jars that are that old. They are well sealed and the quality has varied

> very little. They are still crisp and tasty. : -)

>

> I wonder where the difference is? The exposure to air maybe? Salt levels?

> Crushing? I don't use an innoculant.

Wow. I dunno. Your experience is quite different from what I've read.

Most books say to store the vegies " in the cellar " which would be rather

colder than most houses and is supposed to be the best temp. Salt does

make a big difference, and maybe the fact you don't use an innoculant so

you have only the native bacteria. Having a well-sealed jar might make a

big difference too.

Mine stays crunchier when I use more salt, or use salted shrimp. Napa

goes mushier than regular cabbage ... my last batch of regular cabbage

was REALLY crunchy and nice! Also I've heard that the more you crush it,

the crunchier it stays. Maybe running some thru the blender for some

" juice " is a good idea.

> I do wonder about temperature as I have found low temperatures to be

> disastrous

> to my ferments where as the traditional kimchi ferments are done at lower

> temperatures. That is still a puzzle to me.

That IS a puzzle! Mine do better at low temps, but they get nice warm

temps for the first few days to get started.

>

> I try to get my ferments off to a vigorous start as quickly as possible.

> I believe this is a critical stage that determines the overall quality

> of the

> finished ferment.

I agree.

>

> I guess napa cabbage is a different animal. I wish I could grow it here.

Hmm ... napa seems to be everywhere??? Where are you that they don't

have napa? Maybe they call it something else?

-- Heidi Jean

[Guest guest]

> March???? Most Korean kimchi is eaten quite soon after it is made.

> I think mine is best in the first month.

I make my fermented vegetables with a cabbage base and about 1% salt. It takes

about six months to get a fully developed flavor in the ferment.

> Most books say to store the veggies " in the cellar " which would be rather

> colder than most houses and is supposed to be the best temp.

My fermented vegetables are stored in the basement under the stairs, the

temperature is around 65°F.

> Also I've heard that the more you crush it,

> the crunchier it stays.

I haven't heard that. I do crush the shredded cabbage very well on the principle

that it makes a more toothsome texture and makes a good mash to get a vigorous

ferment going.

> > I do wonder about temperature as I have found low temperatures to be

> > disastrous to my ferments where as the traditional kimchi ferments are done

>> at lower temperatures. That is still a puzzle to me.

>

> That IS a puzzle! Mine do better at low temps, but they get nice warm

> temps for the first few days to get started.

>

I think that after the ferment is well under way and the pH has lowered some and

the desired organism have gained the upper hand that temperatures could well be

lowered to good effect. I know that I learned to get my jars into the house and

warmed up because I left them in the garage over night, or for a day or two

sometimes and it ruined the ferment. Spoilage type organisms took over and the

finished ferment was inedible even after being warmed and fermented at higher

temperatures for the duration of the ferment.

> Hmm ... napa seems to be everywhere??? Where are you that they don't

> have napa? Maybe they call it something else?

Canada, I have grown it but it seems to bolt about as quickly as lettuce, and

the bugs just love it. Plus I have never found seed for a variety that isn't

super hybridized.

They have it in the stores here but I really don't like buying commercial

vegetables. Mostly if I can't grow it I don't eat it. : -)

Bruce

[Guest guest]

Bruce Stordock wrote:

>

> I make my fermented vegetables with a cabbage base and about 1% salt. It

> takes

> about six months to get a fully developed flavor in the ferment.

That seems pretty low salt. I'm getting a hydrometer though, I'm not

real sure what mind end up at.

>

> > Most books say to store the veggies " in the cellar " which would be rather

> > colder than most houses and is supposed to be the best temp.

>

> My fermented vegetables are stored in the basement under the stairs, the

> temperature is around 65°F.

That's a good temp! Room temp in our house is 74 degrees, which is too

warm. 68 is supposed to be " ideal " .

>

> I think that after the ferment is well under way and the pH has lowered

> some and

> the desired organism have gained the upper hand that temperatures could

> well be

> lowered to good effect. I know that I learned to get my jars into the

> house and

> warmed up because I left them in the garage over night, or for a day or two

> sometimes and it ruined the ferment. Spoilage type organisms took over

> and the

> finished ferment was inedible even after being warmed and fermented at

> higher

> temperatures for the duration of the ferment.

Interesting. I note that you keep your jars tightly sealed too.

> Canada, I have grown it but it seems to bolt about as quickly as

> lettuce, and

> the bugs just love it. Plus I have never found seed for a variety that isn't

> super hybridized.

>

> They have it in the stores here but I really don't like buying commercial

> vegetables. Mostly if I can't grow it I don't eat it. : -)

I grew some last year and found the same thing ... the bugs loved it. It

DID grow well though, I suppose if I kept up with the slugs it would

have been ok. Collards seem to be the easiest thing to grow, and they

ferment ok too.

So you grow your " regular cabbage " ?

-- Heidi Jean

[Guest guest]

Thanks Heidi: I was afraid to eat it! It really didn't have much taste

to the much parts and I have been having stomach problems so did want to

make things worse! I am glad that it can't make me sick! But it really

isn't flavorful anymore. Kimchee I have kept for several years and it

has been great! I know it is a long time but I am the only one who eats

it!

Vona