Hi

March 9, 2002

Armour thyroid is a form of a natural thyroid also called "dessicated thyroid," the non-synthetic - "natural" -- thyroid hormone replacements produced using the thyroid gland of pigs. These drugs contain natural versions of the thyroid hormones T4, T3, T1, T2, and other sub-component thyroid hormones.Tammy RE: HI

I had similar symptoms. I went onto Armour and no kidding I felt better within an hour. I have never looked back. I started at 1 grain and now take between 2 and 3 grains a day. For the first time in 12 years I feel great. I also take GH.

-----Original Message-----From: McVay [mailto:wendy_mcvay@...]Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 9:23 PMhypothyroidism Subject: Re: HI

I need advice. , I too seemed to have developed something wrong about 1 1/2 years ago. This was just after moving out of Texas. I know I was extremely depressed. My doctor wanted me to take Paxi. After taking it a couple of days, I decided it wasn't for me. It made me feel really robotic. I couldn't really think very well. (and I certainly don't need my thinking any worse than normal) I told the doctor. He insisted that I needed that, or I could visit a Psychiatrist. So, I opted for the Psychiatrist. Now, my Psychiatrist has decided that I've got Hypo-Thyroid, even though my tests are normal. (my T3 is on the low end of normal) My problem is that my insurance only covers 8 visits. So, I have to find a regular doctor. I went to a new doctor yesterday. She asked how I'm feeling. So, I told her....my thinking seems to have improved, but not much else. She said that if I had Hypo-Thyroid & was on medication, I would see an almost immediate effect & start improving drastically. She has in mind giving me Paxil. Also, she doesn't like Armour Thyroid. If she thought I need thyroid meds, it would by Synthroid. My Psyciatrist said that I should only use Armour, since my T4 is well in the normal range. He also told me to be careful about taking Paxil or Prozac or anything like that. He said that Prozac tends to make a person mean. But, it's easier to get off of than Paxil. He told me that Paxil is extremely hard to get off of once your on it & can cause you to gain lots of weight. He said that if I ever decide to get off Armour, there aren't any side effects. The new doctor said that since I've lost weight instead on gaining, she would tend to doubt it's Hypo-Thyroid. I know I'm rambling, but I need help. I'm not sure at all which way to proceed. Did you see immediate improvement after going on medications? (I've been on medication about 4-5 months) I know I'm depressed, but I also know that can be a symptom of Hypo-Thyroid. I'm really wondering if it's possibly 's Syndrome. I asked my new doctor if she'd heard of 's Syndrome. She said no. She said that she's a mainstream doctor. And it sound like it's not really main stream, or she would have heard of it. Any response?? Thanks for being there. and <ekjns@...> wrote: dear bludress,I had similar episodes to what you are describing three times when I livedin SC for the first time far away from my family, hubby wasn' thome much,working a new job and raising my kids, I just attributed it all to stressbut I think I read that if your thyroid is low your corisol gets raisedand your adrenals all get out of whack. Well thanks for sharing! Goodluck, I have just started a real low dose of armour thyroid I am just inthe beginning too!-=====__________________________________________________

March 9, 2002

Oh you don't look like a dummy! Armour is dessicated pig thyroid, contains T4, T3, T2, T1, T0, and calcitonen, maybe unknown factors. It is FDA approved, unlike synthroid, made by Forest Pharmaceuticals. Holistic docs think it works better than synthetic, based on the work of Broda MD www.brodabarnes.org

Ok I have to ask and look like a dummy but what is Armour Thyroid?

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RE: HI

I had similar symptoms. I went onto Armour and no kidding I felt better within an hour. I have never looked back. I started at 1 grain and now take between 2 and 3 grains a day. For the first time in 12 years I feel great. I also take GH.

-----Original Message-----From: McVay [mailto:wendy_mcvay@...]Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 9:23 PMhypothyroidism Subject: Re: HI

I need advice. , I too seemed to have developed something wrong about 1 1/2 years ago. This was just after moving out of Texas. I know I was extremely depressed. My doctor wanted me to take Paxi. After taking it a couple of days, I decided it wasn't for me. It made me feel really robotic. I couldn't really think very well. (and I certainly don't need my thinking any worse than normal) I told the doctor. He insisted that I needed that, or I could visit a Psychiatrist. So, I opted for the Psychiatrist. Now, my Psychiatrist has decided that I've got Hypo-Thyroid, even though my tests are normal. (my T3 is on the low end of normal) My problem is that my insurance only covers 8 visits. So, I have to find a regular doctor. I went to a new doctor yesterday. She asked how I'm feeling. So, I told her....my thinking seems to have improved, but not much else. She said that if I had Hypo-Thyroid & was on medication, I would see an almost immediate effect & start improving drastically. She has in mind giving me Paxil. Also, she doesn't like Armour Thyroid. If she thought I need thyroid meds, it would by Synthroid. My Psyciatrist said that I should only use Armour, since my T4 is well in the normal range. He also told me to be careful about taking Paxil or Prozac or anything like that. He said that Prozac tends to make a person mean. But, it's easier to get off of than Paxil. He told me that Paxil is extremely hard to get off of once your on it & can cause you to gain lots of weight. He said that if I ever decide to get off Armour, there aren't any side effects. The new doctor said that since I've lost weight instead on gaining, she would tend to doubt it's Hypo-Thyroid. I know I'm rambling, but I need help. I'm not sure at all which way to proceed. Did you see immediate improvement after going on medications? (I've been on medication about 4-5 months) I know I'm depressed, but I also know that can be a symptom of Hypo-Thyroid. I'm really wondering if it's possibly 's Syndrome. I asked my new doctor if she'd heard of 's Syndrome. She said no. She said that she's a mainstream doctor. And it sound like it's not really main stream, or she would have heard of it. Any response?? Thanks for being there. and <ekjns@...> wrote: dear bludress,I had similar episodes to what you are describing three times when I livedin SC for the first time far away from my family, hubby wasn' thome much,working a new job and raising my kids, I just attributed it all to stressbut I think I read that if your thyroid is low your corisol gets raisedand your adrenals all get out of whack. Well thanks for sharing! Goodluck, I have just started a real low dose of armour thyroid I am just inthe beginning too!-=====__________________________________________________

March 9, 2002

,

I've been popping cough drops too for about the last 3 years. I'd never even thought of my dry throat being related to any of my other problems. At work, it seems that I always have to clear my throat before I answer the phone. I used to always have some type of weird coughing spasms. (A nurse, friend of mine, though they were asthma attacks) Doctors said I didn't seem to have asthma. But, a few months ago, my doctor told me to start using "Liquid Magonate". The coughing attacks have since disappeared. But, I still have lots of drainage in my throat, dry throat & use cough drops daily. The Magonate isn't a prescription. But, I have to have it specially ordered. The pharmacies here don't keep it in stock. As far as weight loss.....I started losing weight before I ever got on Armour. I'm staying a pretty constant weight now. But, I should really gain a few pounds to be considered "normal weight".

and <ekjns@...> wrote: Dear ,The first thing I would do is find an alternative therapy doctor, if yougo to Shomon's site at about.com she has a top doc site and most ofthose doctors will look past the standardized tests and look at thesymptoms. I drove five hours to find a doctor who would listen to me. Ifeel much better on the Armour but as I said I am on the lowest dose sofar I feel great because I have more energy than I have had in years. Mydoc told me to expect slow weight loss on the Armour so I am not sure ifyou were losing weight on the Armour but supposedly from what I have heardyou should expect that even if you are Hypothyroid. My hypothyroidism didnot show up on a lab test my doc says most of her patients don't, but I doknow that I have been cold for years, tired for years, dry skin, coarsehair, hoarse voice (I have been popping cough drops for 7 years) my tempin the morning before I wake up averages 97.2 to 97.3, heavy LONGmenstrual cycles, brain fog, premature gray, overweight, mysterious achesand pains, joint pain, etc.. you name it I have had it and my doc saysthat most mainstream doctors are afraid to veer from the text book. Anyway when I recently found out I was hypo all these years I at first wasangry because I used to wonder what was wrong with me. Why could myneighbor have her house clean by 10am and me I was just getting started. But as my husband says thats the past but where I used to poop out by 3pmon the Armour (lowest dose) I am pooping out around 8pm thats asignificant change for me and I am enjoying being able to keep runninglater in the day. I don't know if I have answered any of your questions Iam new at this too and I can only draw on my personal experience.Thanks to web sites like Shomon's we are all getting an educationthat I can't even find at my local library!- PS - Also my sex drive has been improving and thats notsuch a bad thing!=====__________________________________________________

March 9, 2002

Devie,

Look at this page. It explains a lot.

http://personal.bellsouth.net/lig/w/u/wurmstei/#MEDS

~Devie~ <luvmy5@...> wrote:

Ok I have to ask and look like a dummy but what is Armour Thyroid?

-:¦:- ¸.·´ .·´¨¨)) ((¸¸.·´ ..·´ Devie -:¦:- -:¦:- ((¸¸.·´*Mommy to my 3 girls Brittany 6-15-94Suzi 8-21-96 6-17-99and my 2 angels ^i^Amberleigh 5-4-93 - 7-11-93 (Luekemia)Cory stillborn 7-22-98 (cause unknown)Married to since 10-17-92

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RE: HI

I had similar symptoms. I went onto Armour and no kidding I felt better within an hour. I have never looked back. I started at 1 grain and now take between 2 and 3 grains a day. For the first time in 12 years I feel great. I also take GH.

-----Original Message-----From: McVay [mailto:wendy_mcvay@...]Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 9:23 PMhypothyroidism Subject: Re: HI

I need advice. , I too seemed to have developed something wrong about 1 1/2 years ago. This was just after moving out of Texas. I know I was extremely depressed. My doctor wanted me to take Paxi. After taking it a couple of days, I decided it wasn't for me. It made me feel really robotic. I couldn't really think very well. (and I certainly don't need my thinking any worse than normal) I told the doctor. He insisted that I needed that, or I could visit a Psychiatrist. So, I opted for the Psychiatrist. Now, my Psychiatrist has decided that I've got Hypo-Thyroid, even though my tests are normal. (my T3 is on the low end of normal) My problem is that my insurance only covers 8 visits. So, I have to find a regular doctor. I went to a new doctor yesterday. She asked how I'm feeling. So, I told her....my thinking seems to have improved, but not much else. She said that if I had Hypo-Thyroid & was on medication, I would see an almost immediate effect & start improving drastically. She has in mind giving me Paxil. Also, she doesn't like Armour Thyroid. If she thought I need thyroid meds, it would by Synthroid. My Psyciatrist said that I should only use Armour, since my T4 is well in the normal range. He also told me to be careful about taking Paxil or Prozac or anything like that. He said that Prozac tends to make a person mean. But, it's easier to get off of than Paxil. He told me that Paxil is extremely hard to get off of once your on it & can cause you to gain lots of weight. He said that if I ever decide to get off Armour, there aren't any side effects. The new doctor said that since I've lost weight instead on gaining, she would tend to doubt it's Hypo-Thyroid. I know I'm rambling, but I need help. I'm not sure at all which way to proceed. Did you see immediate improvement after going on medications? (I've been on medication about 4-5 months) I know I'm depressed, but I also know that can be a symptom of Hypo-Thyroid. I'm really wondering if it's possibly 's Syndrome. I asked my new doctor if she'd heard of 's Syndrome. She said no. She said that she's a mainstream doctor. And it sound like it's not really main stream, or she would have heard of it. Any response?? Thanks for being there. and <ekjns@...> wrote: dear bludress,I had similar episodes to what you are describing three times when I livedin SC for the first time far away from my family, hubby wasn' thome much,working a new job and raising my kids, I just attributed it all to stressbut I think I read that if your thyroid is low your corisol gets raisedand your adrenals all get out of whack. Well thanks for sharing! Goodluck, I have just started a real low dose of armour thyroid I am just inthe beginning too!-=====__________________________________________________

March 11, 2002

,

Another very good magnesium supplement is CalMax. It combines

magnesium with vitamin C and you mix it with hot water. Drop in a tea

bag and you don't need to add any lemon. Take a look at

http://www.calmax.tv/index.html to find out more about it. I've been

using it for about 3 years now.

Celeste

wrote:

>

> I've been popping cough drops too for about the last 3 years. I'd

never even thought of my dry throat being related to any of my other

problems. At work, it seems that I always have to clear my throat

before I answer the phone. I used to always have some type of weird

coughing spasms. (A nurse, friend of mine, though they were asthma

attacks) Doctors said I didn't seem to have asthma. But, a few

months ago, my doctor told me to start using " Liquid Magonate " . The

coughing attacks have since disappeared. But, I still have lots of

drainage in my throat, dry throat & use cough drops daily. The

Magonate isn't a prescription. But, I have to have it specially

ordered. The pharmacies here don't keep it in stock.

March 12, 2002

Celeste,

Thanks for the link.

a1thighmaster <teroger@...> wrote: ,Another very good magnesium supplement is CalMax. It combines magnesium with vitamin C and you mix it with hot water. Drop in a tea bag and you don't need to add any lemon. Take a look at http://www.calmax.tv/index.html to find out more about it. I've been using it for about 3 years now.Celeste wrote:> > I've been popping cough drops too for about the last 3 years. I'd never even thought of my dry throat being related to any of my other problems. At work, it seems that I always have to clear my throat before I answer the phone. I used to always have some type of weird coughing spasms. (A nurse, friend of mine, though they were asthma attacks) Doctors said I didn't seem to have asthma. But, a few months ago, my doctor told me to start using "Liquid Magonate". The coughing attacks have since disappeared. But, I still have lots of drainage in my throat, dry throat & use cough drops daily. The Magonate isn't a prescription. But, I have to have it specially ordered. The pharmacies here don't keep it in stock.

March 18, 2002

Connie,

Sorry to hear you have been feeling so poorly lately

(((((((Connie)))))))

hugs to you thinking of you take care

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March 19, 2002

((((((((((((((((((((((((( Connie )))))))))))))))))))))

big hugs to you. HOpe you feel better soon.

I think all this spring rain has me in the pre-spring doldrums. Need the

sunshine!

alley

March 19, 2002

((((((((((((((((((((((((( Connie )))))))))))))))))))))

big hugs to you. HOpe you feel better soon.

I think all this spring rain has me in the pre-spring doldrums. Need the

sunshine!

alley

March 19, 2002

((((((((((((((((((((((((( Connie )))))))))))))))))))))

big hugs to you. HOpe you feel better soon.

I think all this spring rain has me in the pre-spring doldrums. Need the

sunshine!

alley

March 19, 2002

((((((((((((((((((((((((( Connie )))))))))))))))))))))

big hugs to you. HOpe you feel better soon.

I think all this spring rain has me in the pre-spring doldrums. Need the

sunshine!

alley

March 20, 2002

more big hugs to you Connie....spring rain hey Alley? I have spring

snow, in Vancouver...in mid-March....almost unheard of and Cold Cold

Cold. brrrrrr.

Connie, I can't thank you enough for that link you sent me, really

enjoying it ;-}

Huggggggggs

Carol

wrote:

> ((((((((((((((((((((((((( Connie )))))))))))))))))))))

>

> big hugs to you. HOpe you feel better soon.

>

> I think all this spring rain has me in the pre-spring doldrums. Need

> the

> sunshine!

>

> alley

>

April 2, 2002

Hi Sherry,

{ I just wanted to say that I am new to this group and I wanted to say hello

to everyone. }

Welcome aboard *smiles*... I'm new too, and you'll quickly learn I'm

outspoken... *grins* Why? Well, I don't want to feel alone with this mess

of an illness. Tell us all a bit about yourself, pull up and beanbag and

make yourself comfortable.

Princess (a)

April 2, 2002

Hi Sherry,

{ I just wanted to say that I am new to this group and I wanted to say hello

to everyone. }

Welcome aboard *smiles*... I'm new too, and you'll quickly learn I'm

outspoken... *grins* Why? Well, I don't want to feel alone with this mess

of an illness. Tell us all a bit about yourself, pull up and beanbag and

make yourself comfortable.

Princess (a)

April 12, 2002

Hey ! Nice to meet you. Glad you spoke up.

Drink those fluids!

alley

April 12, 2002

Hey ! Nice to meet you. Glad you spoke up.

Drink those fluids!

alley

April 13, 2002

Wow, I don't think I'm getting all my messages....I never say 's

message.

, welcome to our group....we're glad you joined us!

Tatezi

wrote:

> Hey ! Nice to meet you. Glad you spoke up.

>

> Drink those fluids!

>

> alley--

If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know

each other. If you do not talk to them, you will not know them, And what

you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys. ~Chief Dan

~

April 13, 2002

Wow, I don't think I'm getting all my messages....I never say 's

message.

, welcome to our group....we're glad you joined us!

Tatezi

wrote:

> Hey ! Nice to meet you. Glad you spoke up.

>

> Drink those fluids!

>

> alley--

If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know

each other. If you do not talk to them, you will not know them, And what

you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys. ~Chief Dan

~

April 18, 2002

Hi ,

I'm so glad you finally decided to jump in and say hi! (All

you 'lurkers' should do this!). It's nice to 'meet' you!

If by your labs you mean your hemoglobin, hematocrit, RBC, then

it's natural that if they are dropping you are going to start feeling

it! Anemia makes you feel sick. It can cause fatigue, headaches, the

light headedness, nausea, etc. Unfortunately there is not much you

can do except either dose reduce the ribavirin if the counts drop too

low, or if you are lucky and have a progressive doctor you can try

Epogen or Procrit to help bring the red cell counts up. And, rest

when you can, and eat healthy - especially eat adequate protein.

Taking iron will NOT help! Sometimes an antidepressant can help with

energy levels - Wellbutrin seems to be especially good at this.

I have seen the bag balm at Walmart also - but in the pet supply

area I think. However, I live in a rural area and our Walmart carries

lots of 'rural' things like bag balm and horse shampoo, farm and

ranch supplies, etc. All the feed stores carry it too.

Good luck with treatment. I hope you keep us posted on how you

are doing!

Claudine

April 18, 2002