Guest guest Posted December 19, 2003 Report Share Posted December 19, 2003 my daughter's case was weakened adrenals which can happen with people with thyroid and or a lot of stress is also a trigger. We used adrenal rebuilder from www.adrenalfatigue.org and we used isocort in conjuction with many vitamins from the supplemental list at www.ithyroid.com ---these were just small doses of vitamins mixed with adrenal glandulars---we are now using nuti-meds adrenal glandular but only one pill a day. la has healed her adrenals via the test results--but you can easily slip back into not being well and for a college student with finals is one of those triggers so she knows and can tell that she needs a tiny bit of the cortisol that is naturaly produced from the glandular but in a very small dose. Her adrenals do work and the majority of people's do or else they would be dead---you can't live without them. But there are cases with addison's disease that the adrenals hardly produced cortisol which is why some people have to take it everyday. What you have to do is figure out where you fit into this catagory. wwwdrrind.com has a matrix card that you can see where you fit into- --I highly suggest looking at it. My daughter is now taking the nuti-med thyroid glandular, she is getting better but slowly, I am going to put her on armour next. She has really improved but we are not 100% yet, more like 90% which is still fantastic compared to the state she was before. She takes two nuti-meds thyroid pills a day along with one adrenal glandular. When we get the armour I'll have her back down on the dose of adrenal and see how that goes. She still takes in many vitamins but has slowed down on the doseages. If not for this group I don't think she would be better, she would not be in school because her doctors wanted to see her crawling on the floor before they would admit she was hypo. Even with test results--that is the best part--her test results show her as hypo!!!! You have to take control of your own health!!! that is the biggest lesson in all of this!!!! Happy Holidays everyone!!! I have some company comging--and Shelia I need to read all your posts after the holidays and I'll give you my thoughts---just too busy now!!! I still have no decorations on my tree, but I do have some presents bought---I am really behind!!!!!!! much love to you all----tina > > hydrocortisone, oral (cont.) > > Hydrocortisone impairs calcium absorption and new bone formation. > > SIDE EFFECTS: range from mild annoyances to serious irreversible > bodily damages. Side effects include fluid retention, weight gain, > high blood pressure, potassium > > loss, headache, muscle weakness, puffiness of and hair growth on > the > > face, thinning and easy bruising of the skin, glaucoma, cataracts, > > peptic ulceration, worsening of diabetes, irregular menses, growth > > retardation in children, convulsions, and psychic disturbances. > > Psychic disturbances can include depression, euphoria, insomnia, > mood swings, personality changes, and even psychotic behavior. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2003 Report Share Posted December 19, 2003 All these articles are not talking about physiological dosages given to someone whose cortisol is low, as shown by tests. That is my case. I am not gonna take 100mg of the stuff - although doctors have put me on huge dosages of corticoids for months in a row, for a weird rash I had when I was a teenager. Who knows, that might even be why my cortisol is low now. Cortisol is like thyroid hormone - taking it when you need it is one thing, taking it for weight loss or a rash in the case of cortisol is what is dangerous. Jan > Tina, > > I think you are building a case to be VERY careful with this drug. I > agree. I would not start this therapy on your own and would be > hesitatant to do so with a physician. A family member has been on it > for years and they have experienced the depression, insomnia, > cataracts, weight gain, bone loss, and fluid retention. For them > there was not much choice, but they would opt to skip the side > effects in a minute if possible. > > I dicussed this treatment with my endo and he too said be VERY > careful with this treatment. It is not something to start lightly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 20, 2003 Report Share Posted December 20, 2003 The addition of thyroid meds can really stress adrenals, as was the case with me. I would keep up the adrenal support! Thanks for all your great work on this board, happy holidays, Gracia > my daughter's case was weakened adrenals which can happen with people > with thyroid and or a lot of stress is also a trigger. We used > adrenal rebuilder from www.adrenalfatigue.org and we used isocort in > conjuction with many vitamins from the supplemental list at > www.ithyroid.com ---these were just small doses of vitamins mixed > with adrenal glandulars---we are now using nuti-meds adrenal > glandular but only one pill a day. la has healed her adrenals > via the test results--but you can easily slip back into not being > well and for a college student with finals is one of those triggers > so she knows and can tell that she needs a tiny bit of the cortisol > that is naturaly produced from the glandular but in a very small > dose. Her adrenals do work and the majority of people's do or else > they would be dead---you can't live without them. But there are cases > with addison's disease that the adrenals hardly produced cortisol > which is why some people have to take it everyday. > > What you have to do is figure out where you fit into this catagory. > wwwdrrind.com has a matrix card that you can see where you fit into- > --I highly suggest looking at it. > > My daughter is now taking the nuti-med thyroid glandular, she is > getting better but slowly, I am going to put her on armour next. She > has really improved but we are not 100% yet, more like 90% which is > still fantastic compared to the state she was before. > > She takes two nuti-meds thyroid pills a day along with one adrenal > glandular. When we get the armour I'll have her back down on the dose > of adrenal and see how that goes. She still takes in many vitamins > but has slowed down on the doseages. > > If not for this group I don't think she would be better, she would > not be in school because her doctors wanted to see her crawling on > the floor before they would admit she was hypo. Even with test > results--that is the best part--her test results show her as hypo!!!! > > You have to take control of your own health!!! that is the biggest > lesson in all of this!!!! > > Happy Holidays everyone!!! I have some company comging--and Shelia I > need to read all your posts after the holidays and I'll give you my > thoughts---just too busy now!!! I still have no decorations on my > tree, but I do have some presents bought---I am really behind!!!!!!! > > much love to you all----tina > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 21, 2003 Report Share Posted December 21, 2003 I didn't think of this--good thing she decided to keep on with the adrenal. She said she felt like she really needed it at final time. It's a good thing she is now in a better frame of mind at understanding this illness. Thanks for helping me as well!!--Happy Holidays to you too!!! tina > > The addition of thyroid meds can really stress adrenals, as was the case > with me. I would keep up the adrenal support! Thanks for all your great > work on this board, happy holidays, Gracia > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2006 Report Share Posted August 21, 2006 >From: Pamela <calblonde1@...> >What specific symptoms went away when you started hydrocortisone? chest pain (10+ years diagnosed as " costochondritis " which sometimes goes away with thyroid treatment alone), Pain in the hips my family doc said was " rheumatoid " Frequent urination. Skipper _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2006 Report Share Posted October 17, 2006 Hi Rose. I don't have any information for you but I just wanted to let you know that I will be sending you and eric some positive healing vibes! Best of luck =) Brightest Blessings, Jenna rose_babic <rose_babic@...> wrote: Hi all, I was just wondering if anyone could share experiences with hydrocortisone for seizures control. When I mentioned this to my doctor he said its like prednisone but not ACTH. I want to know who has used it I know that it is used in France by Prof Dulac for Infantile Spasms, I just want to be armed with as much info, brands etc.. when we go into hospital nxt week with little one yr old . We are going in to do Ketogenic but I want to use those few days to ask as many q's as possible of those " rocket scientists " at the hospital. Rose and the beautiful Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2006 Report Share Posted October 18, 2006 Thanks Jenna!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Hi all, > I was just wondering if anyone could share experiences with > hydrocortisone for seizures control. When I mentioned this to my > doctor he said its like prednisone but not ACTH. I want to know who > has used it I know that it is used in France by Prof Dulac for > Infantile Spasms, I just want to be armed with as much info, brands > etc.. when we go into hospital nxt week with little one yr old . > We are going in to do Ketogenic but I want to use those few days to > ask as many q's as possible of those " rocket scientists " at the > hospital. > Rose and the beautiful > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 3, 2007 Report Share Posted July 3, 2007 Roni, The side effects are for pharmacological doses. I am on a physiological dose to heal my adrenals. Docs only give large doses; my doc approves a small dose for healing. I have had no side effects, unless you count the good ones! Believe me, I have done the reading and research so I know what to do, and my doc concurs. I have left allopathic medicine behind and am shaking the dust off my feet. I am all alternative now and will only use the two script meds and in the next year or two will wean off of the HC altogther. My adrenals were trashed from years of mismanagement by our lovely medical establishment. C. http://catherineshypohelljourney.blogspot.com/ cccquilter@... http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com cccquilter53@... Embroidery from the Heart http://Embfromtheheart.etsy.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 3, 2007 Report Share Posted July 3, 2007 I did not know about all the long term effects of taking cortisone either. It seems that either high doses, OR prolong usage (it becomes cumulative) can produce these side effects. Search by first letter A B C D E F G H I J K L M N O P Q R S T U V W XY Z Hydrocortisone Brand Names: Claritin Skin Itch Relief, Cortef Tablets, Cortenema, Cortoderm, Emo-Cort, Hycort, Hydrosone, Prevex HC, Sarna HC, Westcort Preparations Prescription Needed: Yes, in some cases What is this drug used for? Hydrocortisone belongs to a class of drugs called “corticosteroids” and is used most commonly for medical conditions that involve inflammation. Some examples are arthritis, asthma, allergic reactions, Crohn’s disease, colitis and other inflammatory conditions of the skin, blood, kidney, eye and thyroid. Hydrocortisone and other corticosteroids are similar to the body’s natural hormone, cortisone, and works in many parts of the body to decrease inflammation. These medications are often needed when the body is not producing enough of its own hormone, cortisone, to keep things in balance. This medication is available in many different forms, in combination with other medications, and can be used for many different conditions as above: topical preparations (e.g. cream, ointment, lotion) - to treat itchiness, inflammation of the skin, rectal area suppositories, enemas - used to treat symptoms of ulcerative colitis, hemorrhoids eye drops, ear drops oral tablets injection Is there any reason not to take this drug? You should not take this drug if you are allergic to hydrocortisone or if you have a fungal infection in some place other than on your skin. Tell your doctor if you have or have ever had: problems with your kidney or liver problems with stomach ulcers, bleeding of the stomach or heartburn diabetes congestive heart failure problems with swelling of your feet or ankles high blood pressure osteoporosis problems with frequent infections low thyroid hormone (hypothyroidism) problems with depression, hallucinations or other mental illness myasthenia gravis herpes eye infection or shingles (herpes zoster infection) tuberculosis glaucoma or cataracts problems with low potassium or calcium in the blood side effects to other corticosteroid medications What about possible side effects? Side effects to this medication will depend on the type of dosage form you are taking. For example, side effects will be more common with the tablets and injection to the veins and less so with the lotion or eye drops. Some of the side effects will only be at the site of where the drug is being given (e.g. injection to the joint). The most common side effects are: upset stomach, vomiting, heartburn increase in appetite with possible weight gain swelling of the feet and ankles swelling of the face dizziness difficulty falling or staying asleep, nightmares feeling depressed, anxious or restless feeling “high” or euphoric[D1] acne changes in the skin (easy bruising, skin thinning, increased hair growth over body, presence of small blood vessels) changes or absence of menstrual periods decrease in bone strength and osteoporosis Some of these side effects are more likely with higher doses and some are more likely with long-term use. Talk to your doctor or pharmacist. Less common and sometimes severe side effects include: high blood pressure increase in blood sugars feeling weak in the muscles stopping your body’s own ability to produce its natural hormone, cortisone (with high doses and long-term use) a condition called avascular necrosis of bone changes in vision (call you doctor) increased chance of infection or slow recovery from an infection (call your doctor) decrease growth rate in children Specific to topical preparation: Side effects are usually uncommon. Contact our doctor if these symptoms are severe or do not go away: drying or cracking of the skin itching, burning acne change in skin colour If you experience any of the following symptoms, call your doctor right away: severe skin rash skin infection (redness, swelling, or oozing of pus) skin thinning This is not a complete list of side effects. If you are concerned about these or other unusual symptoms while taking this medication, ask your doctor and/or pharmacist for more information and advice. What if I am taking other drugs? Always provide your doctor with a list of all other drugs you are taking (including over-the-counter medications and herbal/natural products) as they may interact with and/or may change the safety or effectiveness of either drug. Tell your doctor specifically if you are taking any of these drugs as these are the most common interactions and he/she may need to make changes or monitor you more closely: Other pain medications that include ASA & other anti-inflammatories (e.g. ibuprofen, naproxen, voltaren, diclofenac) – can increase your chances of having side effects, especially those in the stomach. If you are taking medications to treat high blood pressure, this medication may interfere with how well your blood pressure medication can work and your blood pressure may increase. Your doctor will likely check your blood pressure periodically while you are taking this medication. Water pills (e.g. hydrochlorothiazide, furosemide) – this medication may cause swelling of the ankles and feet and may interfere with how well the water pills can work. As well, there is an increase chance for side effects like low potassium in the blood. If you are taking medications for congestive heart failure, this medication may make your symptoms of congestive heart failure worse and interfere with how well your medications can work. Call your doctor immediately if you notice that your symptoms of heart failure are getting worse. If you are taking medications for diabetes, this medication may increase your blood sugars and interfere with how well your medications can work. Digoxin – potassium levels in the blood may need to be monitored. Cyclosporine – may change the amount of hydrocortisone or cyclosporine in the blood. Ketoconazole, itraconazole - may increase chances for hydrocortisone side effects. Birth control pills – may increase chances for hydrocortisone side effects. Carbamazepine, phenobarbital, phenytoin, rifampin - may decrease the amount of hydrocortisone in the body. Live vaccines Warfarin This is not a complete list of drug interactions. Ask your doctor or pharmacist to review your list of medications. Other information Special instructions: This drug makes you more susceptible to illnesses, including chicken pox, measles, and tuberculosis. If you are exposed to any of these infections, talk to your doctor. Do not have a vaccination, other immunization or any skin test while you are taking hydrocortisone without first talking to your doctor. You may need to take extra doses of hydrocortisone during periods of stress (injuries, infections, and severe asthma attacks), especially if you have recently stopped taking the medication. If you are scheduled for surgery, including dental surgery, tell your healthcare provider(s) that you are taking hydrocortisone. If you need to take this medication for a long period of time, you may be at risk for osteoporosis. Talk to your doctor or pharmacist about taking calcium (1000mg-1500mg/day) and vitamin D (400-800 IU/day). As well, your doctor may prescribe a different medication to prevent this side effect from happening. It is extremely important that you do not stop taking this medication without talking to your doctor first. Since this medication can cause your body to stop producing its own natural hormone after long-term use, stopping the medication could cause severe side effects (feeling weak, tired, dizzy, nauseous, low blood pressure, muscle pains). If you are using topical or enema hydrocortisone preparations, follow your doctor or pharmacist’s specific instructions. Avoid prolonged use on the face, in the genital and rectal area, and in skin creases and armpits unless directed by the doctor. Do not bandage or wrap the affected area unless directed by your doctor. Lab and Other Tests: Your doctor may send you for periodic bone mineral density scans to check your bones while taking this medication. You may need to check your blood sugar more often while taking this medication since this medication can increase your blood sugar. Children: Can be used. The lowest effective dose is used to decrease the chances for long-term side effects. Seniors: Lower doses may be necessary to decrease the chances for side effects. Pregnant women: Topical preparations (cream, ointment, lotion) can generally be used. While harm to the unborn child is not likely at low doses, you should always discuss this with your doctor. Women who are nursing: Talk to your doctor. People who drive or operate machinery: Should have no problems associated with taking this drug. Alcohol: May increase the risk of stomach irritation and side effects to hydrocortisone. Try to limit alcohol consumption. Overdose: If you experience any unusual reactions, or if you seriously exceed the recommended dosage, call your doctor or 911. Stopping the drug: Do not stop taking this drug until you have discussed it with your doctor. He/she may need to decrease the dose slowly over time. If you miss a dose: Take it as soon as you remember. However, if your next dose is almost due, do not take the missed dose. Instead, wait and take the next scheduled dose. Do not take a double dose. Storage conditions: Closed container; cool, dry location away from excess moisture (not in the bathroom); always out of reach of children. Dietary precautions: If you are taking hydrocortisone for an extended period of time, your doctor may advise you to follow a low-sodium, high-potassium, and high-calcium diet. You may want to take this medication with food to decrease the feeling of upset stomach. I would never want to see anyone get these side effects, so I'm putting this down for you. Be healthy and safe. Roni --- <cccquilter@...> wrote: > Roni, > The side effects are for pharmacological doses. I > am on a physiological dose to heal my adrenals. Docs > only give large doses; my doc approves a small dose > for healing. I have had no side effects, unless you > count the good ones! Believe me, I have done the > reading and research so I know what to do, and my > doc concurs. I have left allopathic medicine behind > and am shaking the dust off my feet. I am all > alternative now and will only use the two script > meds and in the next year or two will wean off of > the HC altogther. My adrenals were trashed from > years of mismanagement by our lovely medical > establishment. > > C. > http://catherineshypohelljourney.blogspot.com/ > cccquilter@... > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com > cccquilter53@... > Embroidery from the Heart > http://Embfromtheheart.etsy.com > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 2007 Report Share Posted July 4, 2007 The side effects of this are enough to make me think twice about using it. Beside the fact that I have had some of the things that they say you should tell your doctor before using. Why would I want to use something that is going to do the exact thing I am trying to get rid of i.e. swelling face, ankles, feet. No thank you. I realize it may work for some but I have reservations about it. In the 1980's I used prednisone because I got herpes oster which is shingles and Bell's Palsey meaning I could not use half of my face because the shingles caused nerve damage. I would not ever agree to going on that drug again. The side effects were unbearable; one being my face was unrecognizable for all the swelling. Thanks for sending this Roni. Venizia > > > Roni, > > The side effects are for pharmacological doses. I > > am on a physiological dose to heal my adrenals. Docs > > only give large doses; my doc approves a small dose > > for healing. I have had no side effects, unless you > > count the good ones! Believe me, I have done the > > reading and research so I know what to do, and my > > doc concurs. I have left allopathic medicine behind > > and am shaking the dust off my feet. I am all > > alternative now and will only use the two script > > meds and in the next year or two will wean off of > > the HC altogther. My adrenals were trashed from > > years of mismanagement by our lovely medical > > establishment. > > > > C. > > http://catherineshypohelljourney.blogspot.com/ > > cccquilter@... > > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com > > cccquilter53@... > > Embroidery from the Heart > > http://Embfromtheheart.etsy.com > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 2007 Report Share Posted July 4, 2007 this is total confusion about low dose bioidenticals vs high dose synthetic. It is just too bad. I recommend Safe Uses of Cortisol by Jefferies MD. Gracia I did not know about all the long term effects of taking cortisone either. It seems that either high doses, OR prolong usage (it becomes cumulative) can produce these side effects. Search by first letter A B C D E F G H I J K L M N O P Q R S T U V W XY Z Hydrocortisone Brand Names: Claritin Skin Itch Relief, Cortef Tablets, Cortenema, Cortoderm, Emo-Cort, Hycort, Hydrosone, Prevex HC, Sarna HC, Westcort Preparations Prescription Needed: Yes, in some cases What is this drug used for? Recent Activity a.. 5New Members Visit Your Group Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 2007 Report Share Posted July 4, 2007 Roni, I have read all that previously; and most of pertains to the high doses that allopathic docs use. I have been on high doses of prednisone for my lungs and I KNOW the awful side effects. My dear daddy was on pred for many years and I saw first hand the dreadful side effects of long term usage. Pred is a synthetic with the usual nasty side effects from synthetics, which have an altered molecule so that the pharma. cos. can patent it and make money from it. HC is synthetic, but it matches what our bodies make, and in low doses can be very helpful. We had the stress of two kids going south because of druggies (gone now) in our neighborhood. We went through hell and back with then, then the house burned down and we were homeless. Financial problems galore and stress up the wazoo. We both got so very sick; DH was so ill he couldn't work for two years. ly, from where I was at, and I have done my homework, I will take HC over what I went through before I found the groups and did research on the internet. I have fired several doctors and don't need anyone condescending to me. I am not trying to be nasty, but I have read everything you posted and then some. My chiro told me plainly that I was in AF, but at the time there was so much to worry about and I didn't know much about it, that I blew it off and paid dearly for that. I have HAD to educate myself and my current doc told me HE was impressed with MY knowledge! He considers himself a partner with me in my health and although progress has been slower than I would like, I have been sick 53 years, so overnight wellness was not going to happen. I am finally seeing light at the end of my lifelong tunnel of illness, so I am going to keep on with what I am doing, as it is working. Val and Janie on the NTH group have been invaluable in helping me on the road to wellness, as have Sam and Gracia with their help and advice before I found my new doc. I am at 6 grains, 3 tablets of iodoral daily and 17.5 mgs. - 20 mgs. of HC. I plan to wean off HC in the next two years, but I have been sick so long and am doing so well now, that I am not going to fiddle with what is working. I feel better now, physically, then I have in 35-45 years. I feel better now than I did as a child! I don't know it all, definitely, but I know what is working for ME, and my doctor concurs with it. C. http://catherineshypohelljourney.blogspot.com/ http://www.youngliving.com - essential oils http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com cccquilter53@... Embroidery from the Heart http://Embfromtheheart.etsy.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 2007 Report Share Posted July 4, 2007 Thank you, Gracia. I know we don't always see eye to eye, but I appreciate this post! I just wish I could afford his book. I am going to get it when I can. C. <<<<< this is total confusion about low dose bioidenticals vs high dose synthetic. It is just too bad. I recommend Safe Uses of Cortisol by Jefferies MD. Gracia >>>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 2007 Report Share Posted July 4, 2007 I can't afford the book either! I thought we did see pretty much eye to eye LOL. (you just haven't experienced the miracle of sex hormones yet) Gracia Thank you, Gracia. I know we don't always see eye to eye, but I appreciate this post! I just wish I could afford his book. I am going to get it when I can. C. <<<<< this is total confusion about low dose bioidenticals vs high dose synthetic. It is just too bad. I recommend Safe Uses of Cortisol by Jefferies MD. Gracia >>>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 2007 Report Share Posted July 4, 2007 Ooooh, I really REALLY wanted to say something about this. Venezia, most of the pharmaceutical warnings on this are based, in actuality, on high dose use, NOT low dose use. High dose use is that dose with equals or surpasses the amount that can be naturally produced by heathy adrenal glands. Low dose use, as in adrenal support, is typically half of what normal healthy adrenal glands produce, and is used in " support of " rather than total replacement of... I was taking Deltacortril (prednisoLone) for adrenal support for 2 years. The typical dose of this product for adrenal support is 5mg, but I needed to take 7.5mg. Doses of 10mg and above are considered high dose with this product. PredniSone is converted in the liver INTO prednisoLone, just so you know. Never once did I ever suffer any of the listed side effects of that product, and it's a lot more heavy duty the HC/Cortef. Adrenal support, as noted in Jefferies " Safe Uses of Cortisol " is safe when taken properly and in non-supressive doses. In my opinion, it is more scarey and dangerous to NOT treat weak adrenals than it is to treat them properly. If you need it, you need it...you know? http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/adrenal-info Sam (thyroid-less, Iodized, and Armour-ized) k9gang@... http://www.optimox.com/pics/Iodine/opt_Research_I.shtml http://www.optimox.com/pics/Iodine/IOD-09/IOD_09.htm http://www.optimox.com/pics/Iodine/IOD-02/IOD_02.htm http://www.laurapower.com/iodinedeficiency.htm http://www.vrp.com/art/1860.asp http://www.quackcenter.com/ideficiency.html http://www.lewrockwell.com/miller/miller20.html http://www.iodine4health.com http://www.jcrows.com/iodine.html http://www.optimox.com/pics/Iodine/loadTest.htm http://www.breastcancerchoices.org/loading.html http://www.helpmythyroid.com/IOD4.htm http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0FDL/is_1_13/ai_n17212623 http://www.altsupportthyroid.org/dt.php http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com http://www.bellaonline.com/articles/art40118.asp http://www.type2hypothyroidism.com/Type1VsType2.html BHRT http://www.medaus.com/p/Three-Rules-for-Using-BHRT___200,965.html http://www.thecompounder.com/saliva-vs-serum.pdf > > > > I did not know about all the long term effects of > > taking cortisone either. It seems that either high > > doses, OR prolong usage (it becomes cumulative) can > > produce these side effects. > > > > Search by first letter > > A B C D E F G H I J K L M N O P Q R S T U V W XY Z > > > > Hydrocortisone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 2007 Report Share Posted July 4, 2007 I still don't agree, but I certainly respect your right to think differently. In any case, I wish you well and hope that you get completely well very soon. Roni --- <cccquilter@...> wrote: > Roni, > I have read all that previously; and most of > pertains to the high doses that allopathic docs use. > I have been on high doses of prednisone for my lungs > and I KNOW the awful side effects. My dear daddy was > on pred for many years and I saw first hand the > dreadful side effects of long term usage. Pred is a > synthetic with the usual nasty side effects from > synthetics, which have an altered molecule so that > the pharma. cos. can patent it and make money from > it. HC is synthetic, but it matches what our bodies > make, and in low doses can be very helpful. We had > the stress of two kids going south because of > druggies (gone now) in our neighborhood. We went > through hell and back with then, then the house > burned down and we were homeless. Financial problems > galore and stress up the wazoo. We both got so very > sick; DH was so ill he couldn't work for two years. > ly, from where I was at, and I have done my > homework, I will take HC over what I went through > before I found the > groups and did research on the internet. I have > fired several doctors and don't need anyone > condescending to me. I am not trying to be nasty, > but I have read everything you posted and then some. > > My chiro told me plainly that I was in AF, but at > the time there was so much to worry about and I > didn't know much about it, that I blew it off and > paid dearly for that. I have HAD to educate myself > and my current doc told me HE was impressed with MY > knowledge! He considers himself a partner with me in > my health and although progress has been slower than > I would like, I have been sick 53 years, so > overnight wellness was not going to happen. I am > finally seeing light at the end of my lifelong > tunnel of illness, so I am going to keep on with > what I am doing, as it is working. Val and Janie on > the NTH group have been invaluable in helping me on > the road to wellness, as have Sam and Gracia with > their help and advice before I found my new doc. I > am at 6 grains, 3 tablets of iodoral daily and 17.5 > mgs. - 20 mgs. of HC. I plan to wean off HC in the > next two years, but I have been sick so long and am > doing so well now, that I am not going to fiddle > with what is working. I feel > better now, physically, then I have in 35-45 years. > I feel better now than I did as a child! I don't > know it all, definitely, but I know what is working > for ME, and my doctor concurs with it. > > C. > http://catherineshypohelljourney.blogspot.com/ > http://www.youngliving.com - essential oils > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com > cccquilter53@... > Embroidery from the Heart > http://Embfromtheheart.etsy.com > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 2007 Report Share Posted July 4, 2007 We have discussed the two general types of dosages here, and one could probably find those discussions in the archives. Basically the two types are: 1] Physiologic; which is a quantity [usually very small] similar to what the body itself produces; and 2] Therapeutic; which is usually a much larger dose as would be prescribed by a conventional physician. I believe that in the early days of the use of hydrocortisone type of medications the side effects were totally unknown; so they were prescribed in large therapeutic doses. Eventually the dangerous side effects of large therapeutic doses of hydrocortisone were discovered, and those large doses began to be prescribed much less frequently. However, the side effects of such dosages were so well known and widely disseminated that physicians developed an aversion to prescribing _any_ level of the drug; even the physiologic dose. Corrections to anything I've screwed up welcome... > Re: Hydrocortisone > <hypothyroidism/message/29122;_ylc=X3oDMTJxNzFyZzJ\ 1BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE0NTY2NARncnBzcElkAzE3MDkyNTEwODIEbXNnSWQDMjkxMjIEc2V\ jA2Rtc2cEc2xrA3Ztc2cEc3RpbWUDMTE4MzU3OTM1Ng--> > > > > Posted by: " Sam " k9gang@... > <mailto:k9gang@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Hydrocortisone> > stealthwind <stealthwind> > > > Wed Jul 4, 2007 10:51 am (PST) > > Ooooh, I really REALLY wanted to say something about this. > Venezia, most of the pharmaceutical warnings on this are based, in > actuality, on high dose use, NOT low dose use. High dose use is that > dose with equals or surpasses the amount that can be naturally > produced by heathy adrenal glands. Low dose use, as in adrenal > support, is typically half of what normal healthy adrenal glands > produce, and is used in " support of " rather than total replacement > of... > > I was taking Deltacortril (prednisoLone) for adrenal support for 2 > years. The typical dose of this product for adrenal support is 5mg, > but I needed to take 7.5mg. Doses of 10mg and above are considered > high dose with this product. PredniSone is converted in the liver > INTO prednisoLone, just so you know. Never once did I ever suffer any > of the listed side effects of that product, and it's a lot more heavy > duty the HC/Cortef. > > Adrenal support, as noted in Jefferies " Safe Uses of Cortisol " is > safe when taken properly and in non-supressive doses. > > In my opinion, it is more scarey and dangerous to NOT treat weak > adrenals than it is to treat them properly. If you need it, you need > it...you know? http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/adrenal-info > <http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/adrenal-info> > > Sam > (thyroid-less, Iodized, and Armour-ized) > k9gang@... <mailto:k9gang%40openaccess.org> > http://www.optimox.com/pics/Iodine/opt_Research_I.shtml > <http://www.optimox.com/pics/Iodine/opt_Research_I.shtml> > http://www.optimox.com/pics/Iodine/IOD-09/IOD_09.htm > <http://www.optimox.com/pics/Iodine/IOD-09/IOD_09.htm> > http://www.optimox.com/pics/Iodine/IOD-02/IOD_02.htm > <http://www.optimox.com/pics/Iodine/IOD-02/IOD_02.htm> > http://www.laurapower.com/iodinedeficiency.htm > <http://www.laurapower.com/iodinedeficiency.htm> > http://www.vrp.com/art/1860.asp <http://www.vrp.com/art/1860.asp> > http://www.quackcenter.com/ideficiency.html > <http://www.quackcenter.com/ideficiency.html> > http://www.lewrockwell.com/miller/miller20.html > <http://www.lewrockwell.com/miller/miller20.html> > http://www.iodine4health.com <http://www.iodine4health.com> > http://www.jcrows.com/iodine.html <http://www.jcrows.com/iodine.html> > http://www.optimox.com/pics/Iodine/loadTest.htm > <http://www.optimox.com/pics/Iodine/loadTest.htm> > http://www.breastcancerchoices.org/loading.html > <http://www.breastcancerchoices.org/loading.html> > http://www.helpmythyroid.com/IOD4.htm > <http://www.helpmythyroid.com/IOD4.htm> > http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0FDL/is_1_13/ai_n17212623 > <http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0FDL/is_1_13/ai_n17212623> > http://www.altsupportthyroid.org/dt.php > <http://www.altsupportthyroid.org/dt.php> > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com > <http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com> > http://www.bellaonline.com/articles/art40118.asp > <http://www.bellaonline.com/articles/art40118.asp> > http://www.type2hypothyroidism.com/Type1VsType2.html > <http://www.type2hypothyroidism.com/Type1VsType2.html> > BHRT > http://www.medaus.com/p/Three-Rules-for-Using-BHRT___200,965.html > <http://www.medaus.com/p/Three-Rules-for-Using-BHRT___200,965.html> > http://www.thecompounder.com/saliva-vs-serum.pdf > <http://www.thecompounder.com/saliva-vs-serum.pdf> > > > > > > The side effects of this are enough to make me think twice about > using it. Beside the fact > > that I have had some of the things that they say you should tell > your doctor before using. > > Why would I want to use something that is going to do the exact > thing I am trying to get > > rid of i.e. swelling face, ankles, feet. No thank you. I realize > it may work for some but I > > have reservations about it. In the 1980's I used prednisone > because I got herpes oster > > which is shingles and Bell's Palsey meaning I could not use half of > my face because the > > shingles caused nerve damage. I would not ever agree to going on > that drug again. The > > side effects were unbearable; one being my face was unrecognizable > for all the swelling. > > > > Thanks for sending this Roni. > > > > Venizia > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2008 Report Share Posted June 11, 2008 Gracia, You wrote: > > on the outside of the box from (s)Merck it says each tab contains 10mg > hydrocortisone (which I know is synthetic bioidentical) > also contains lactose monohydrate. > drug insert says the active ingedient is hydrocortisone > inactive ingredients: lactose, mag stearate, maize starch That matches what I listed for Cortef. It does come in other doses. How is that chemically the same as freeze dried adrenal glands from sheep mixed with herbs? Chuck > Gracia wrote: > > > > I am glad Isocort is doing something for you. > > Cortef is a bioidentical steroid, not to be confused with other > > pharmaceutical steroids. In fact it is chemically the same as isocort. > > Not true. Cortef is synthetic hydrocortisone sodium succinate mixed with > calcium stearate, corn starch, lactose, mineral oil, sorbic acid, and > sucrose. The hydrocortisone component is bioidentical, although > synthetic, just like SYNTHROID! > > Isocort is extracted from freeze-dried adrenal cortex (soluble > fractionation) taken from New Zealand Sheep. This includes several > glucocorticoids besides hydrocortisone, plus sheep proteins. It is mixed > with echinacea extract, prunus and lomatium dissectum root isolate (kreb > concentrate-2%) in a pellet base of lactose and lactase. > > The manufacturers of Isocort claim that it contains the " equivalent " of > 2.5 mg of hydrocortisone, but people using it report that the same mg > dose of Cortef is much more potent. This is probably because the other > glucocorticoids that they count as equivalent to Cortef, are really less > active. > > Chuck > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2008 Report Share Posted June 12, 2008 sheep mixed with herbs? yumm I am saying that the active ingredient hydrocortisone is bioidentical to the steroid that adrenal glands make. Gracia Gracia, You wrote: > > on the outside of the box from (s)Merck it says each tab contains 10mg > hydrocortisone (which I know is synthetic bioidentical) > also contains lactose monohydrate. > drug insert says the active ingedient is hydrocortisone > inactive ingredients: lactose, mag stearate, maize starch That matches what I listed for Cortef. It does come in other doses. How is that chemically the same as freeze dried adrenal glands from sheep mixed with herbs? Chuck > Recent Activity a.. 14New Members Visit Your Group Meditation and Lovingkindness A Group to share and learn. Health Asthma Triggers How you can identify them. Sell Online Start selling with our award-winning e-commerce tools. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2010 Report Share Posted February 16, 2010 > Has anybody ever had purple striations on their belly and thighs when taking hydrocortison. If you have found this do you know what could be causing it. Is it a side effect of the hydrocortisone or taking too much hydrocortise? Hi Vickyanne, It would depend on the amount of HC and the length for which it has been taken, but yes, HC or other glucocorticoids can cause striation. Hier is a good website that demonstrates the skin changes that can be caused by prolonged usage of systemic steroids. http://www.dermnet.org.nz/treatments/systemic-steroids.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2010 Report Share Posted February 16, 2010 I read that purple striations on the abdomen and thighs are one of the signs to watch out for in hypercortisolism. It might be best to tell your GP or endo about it so they can adjust the dose. How much HC is the person on? Lou > > Has anybody ever had purple striations on their belly and thighs when > taking hydrocortison. If you have found this do you know what could be > causing it. Is it a side effect of the hydrocortisone or taking too much > hydrocortise? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2010 Report Share Posted February 16, 2010 Hi Vickyanne I just remembered, it's your daughter with the isolated ACTH. Has she been tested for DHEA-S and is she supplementing any DHEA? Hydrocortisone can have a catabolic (breaks down tissues) effect on the body and should be balanced against the anabolic (builds up tissues) effects of steroids such as DHEA. Although your daughter's problem is in her pituitary, if her pituitary gland is not stimulating her adrenals, then she will likely not be producing much DHEA as this is stimulated by ACTH (which your daughter isn't producing). It might be worth looking into this if she hasn't had it tested already. You could ask the endo to do a DHEA-S test next time you see him. Some endos know about DHEA and will prescribe on the NHS, others don't want to know. Lou > > Has anybody ever had purple striations on their belly and thighs when > taking hydrocortison. If you have found this do you know what could be > causing it. Is it a side effect of the hydrocortisone or taking too much > hydrocortise? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2010 Report Share Posted February 16, 2010 Hi Lou Thank you so much for your information on DHEA and your advice. She did have a saliva test the year before last and it came back with with low DHEA indeed as well as low cortisol. When I did mention it to the Endo Doc he did not seem too bothered by it, but he said try it if you want although he didn't think it meant much. However, having read what you have written I will send off for DHEA supplement. Any ideas where I can get this from and what dose would be needed? Her dose has been the physiological dose of 20mg per day. Needless to say she is trying to cut back on this dose and when she takes less than 15mg per day the painful striations feel much better. Her aim is to stop the hydrocortisone altogether because along with the striations her sleep has become much worse and her tummy and feet are swollen. I have mentioned to her Endo Doc about the striations but the only response was to ask how much she is still taking and not to drop the dose below I think it was 17mg. Thanks again Lou for remembering me and taking the take to post a reply with the info. Kind regards Vickyanne# From: Lou <enkai111@...>Subject: Re: HYDROCORTISONEthyroid treatment Date: Tuesday, 16 February, 2010, 16:26 Hi VickyanneI just remembered, it's your daughter with the isolated ACTH. Has she been tested for DHEA-S and is she supplementing any DHEA?Hydrocortisone can have a catabolic (breaks down tissues) effect on the body and should be balanced against the anabolic (builds up tissues) effects of steroids such as DHEA.Although your daughter's problem is in her pituitary, if her pituitary gland is not stimulating her adrenals, then she will likely not be producing much DHEA as this is stimulated by ACTH (which your daughter isn't producing).It might be worth looking into this if she hasn't had it tested already. You could ask the endo to do a DHEA-S test next time you see him. Some endos know about DHEA and will prescribe on the NHS, others don't want to know. Lou > > Has anybody ever had purple striations on their belly and thighs when> taking hydrocortison. If you have found this do you know what could be> causing it. Is it a side effect of the hydrocortisone or taking too much> hydrocortise? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2010 Report Share Posted February 16, 2010 Hi Many thanks for replying to me and the info you have given. She was prescribed 20mg but feels better taking between 15mg - 17mg. Her aim is to stop altogether but her Endo Doc advises again this. Her feet and tummy and both swollen and her sleep is non existent at night. Thanks again . Kind regards Vickyanne From: auto_immune <christina@...>Subject: Re: HYDROCORTISONEthyroid treatment Date: Tuesday, 16 February, 2010, 13:43 > Has anybody ever had purple striations on their belly and thighs when taking hydrocortison. If you have found this do you know what could be causing it. Is it a side effect of the hydrocortisone or taking too much hydrocortise? Hi Vickyanne, It would depend on the amount of HC and the length for which it has been taken, but yes, HC or other glucocorticoids can cause striation. Hier is a good website that demonstrates the skin changes that can be caused by prolonged usage of systemic steroids. http://www.dermnet. org.nz/treatment s/systemic- steroids. html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2010 Report Share Posted February 16, 2010 HI Vickyann Taking too much I believe as that is also a symptom of cushings which is also too much cortisol. Hope this helps Regars Mandy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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