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Guest guest Posted August 20, 2000 Report Share Posted August 20, 2000 Sorry, I just tried to help. Bonnie Lee@... wrote: > I emailed that doc and it was returned undeliverable: > Lee > > Reporting-MTA: dns; rly-yd03.mx.aol.com > Arrival-Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 19:42:28 -0400 (EDT) > > Final-Recipient: RFC822; buroag@... > Action: failed > Status: 5.1.1 > Remote-MTA: DNS; air-yd05.mail.aol.com > Diagnostic-Code: SMTP; 550 MAILBOX NOT FOUND > Last-Attempt-Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 19:42:43 -0400 (EDT)00 > > > > Send blank message to candidiasis-unsubscribeonelist if you want to UNSUBSCRIBE ! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2009 Report Share Posted January 16, 2009 Hi Charlie, welcome here and welcome to UK (when you arrive). I have a query. When you say you went hyper, did you actually have hyper symptoms. When on Armour my blood test (TSH) goes very low which makes the doctor say I am hyper (even though the other tests show I am not and my symptoms show I am not, he ignores them). So I am wondering whether, in fact, you did go hyper or was it just your TSH which was suppressed. Lilian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2009 Report Share Posted February 4, 2009 [Please TRIM 'replies to':- ] Hi, Thanks so much for your help and advice so far. And apologies for not replying earlier. Sheila, in answer to your questions: - Yes, I went hyper from too much Armour. I started to have minor hyper symptoms a couple of weeks before I saw my Dr and had a blood test. When I got back the results they were: Total T3: 184 (58-159) TSH: 0.012 (.35-4.94) Total T4: 16.61 (4.87-11.72) Free T4: 1.57 (.7-1.48) Free T3: 3.39 (1.71-3.71) I spoke with my Dr about concerns that I was going hyper, and she dismissed them and told me to continue as is and " Next time you see me we won't bother testing TSH as it doesn't tell you anything. " She is one of those Dr's who goes by symptoms, not blood tests, which was fine up until I went hyper - now I think a good Dr is one who looks at both. Anyway, the following 4 months have been hell - Ive been in and out of hospital with contstant pain down my left arm, chest, shoulder and for about a month I pain around my heart and felt like a hand was squeezing it every 3 minutes. Its been awful, and my Dr should have listened to me and looked at my blood test results to realise that I was going hyper. - Unfortunately, I am in a country that doesn't do the salivary panel test for low adrenals. I am currently taking DHEA for low levels. I was also to do a blood test this week and was told my DHEA levels were still low: 188 (35 - 430) I was also tested for Cortisol which I ws told were ok: 25.19 (6.2-19.4) - As per your advice, I asked to have my copper, zinc, magnesium, ferritin, B12 and vitmin D levels as well. Here are my results: Copper 235 (80-155) Zinc 88 (70-120) Magnesium 1.9 (1.9-2.5) Ferritin 93.6 (13-150) Vitamin D - pending I am conccerned about the high copper levels. Do you, or anyone else know what can cause this? Ive asked to speak with my Dr about this also. Do you think the other results look ok? - Thank you so much for sending the list of Dr's to me. I will be moving to London - so a recommendation for that area would be helpful. I would like someone who looks at things holistically, but isn't a quack either! Cheers Charlie > > Hello Charlie and welcome to our forum. I hope you get the support you need > here. > > Did you go hyPERthyroid because you took too much of the Armour? Did you have your blood tested at that time and if so, can you post the results here together with the reference ranges for each of the tests. [TRIMMED] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2009 Report Share Posted February 4, 2009 Hi Charlie, Welcome to the forum. Did your doctor mention the high copper and low magnesium? Did your doctor recommend any stategy to treat, eg, add zinc without any copper in it. best wishes Bob Holford may help:- http://www.patrickholford.com > > Hi, > > I am new here and was wondering if someone could help me. > > I'm due to move to the UK in 2 months, and would like to find a > good Doctor, as I'm in a bad situation right now with hypothyroidism. > > I was on Armour and was doing really well up until I went hyper and > now I cannot tolerate the meds anymore - its been a struggle the last > 4 months, and I was hoping that when I move to the UK there may be a > Doctor that specialises in cases like this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2009 Report Share Posted February 5, 2009 Hi Charlie Obviously you have now dropped your Armour dose and I hope you are feeling better. When anybody is taking natural thyroid extract, because it has all the thyroid hormones your body requires, your TSH becomes completely suppressed (this is normal because it simply isn't needed) and your Free T4 and Free T3 are often at the top of the range. Thyroid function tests are really meaningless once you are on treatment, and some doctors believe you should titrate your dose according to how you feel. If not quite getting there, you might benefit from an increase and symptoms of hypER you need to drop the dose. We recommend that when starting to use Armour for the first time, in increase the dose by half a grain every 4 weeks until your symptoms disappear. The easiest way to find your sweet spot, i.e. the dose your body requires, is to increase this way until you start to get the adverse reactions of taking too much of the active hormone T3. These are palpitations, sweating, dizziness, generally feeling spaced out and pretty yuk. You just stop taking any more Armour that day (if you take split doses) and the following day, drop back your dose by half a grain, and that is usually the amount of thyroid hormone you need. However, there are several conditions as mentioned in my previous post that will stop thyroid hormone from being absorbed, and these must be checked out as you obviously have done. The NHS does not do the 24 hour salivary adrenal profile either, so you would need to get this done privately through Genova Diagnostics www.gdx.uk.net . Doing a DHEA and cortisol blood test at only one time during the day is not satisfactory. Both need testing at least four times a day as they secrete different levels throughout the day. Your cortisol should be at its highest level when you wake and at the lowest level at midnight to enable you to sleep, and your DHEA should be highest at night, and lowest in the morning. Bob should be able to help you regarding possible causes for your high copper, and yes, it is high. Apparently, many people with high copper do not have a grey hair in their head - do you? Often with high copper, zinc is low, but yours looks OK. Magnesium could be higher, Ferritin is absolutely fine. Did they not test your B12? Luv - Sheila Copper 235 (80-155) Zinc 88 (70-120) Magnesium 1.9 (1.9-2.5) Ferritin 93.6 (13-150) Vitamin D - pending - Thank you so much for sending the list of Dr's to me. I will be moving to London - so a recommendation for that area would be helpful. I would like someone who looks at things holistically, but isn't a quack either! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2009 Report Share Posted February 5, 2009 MODERATED TO REMOVE PREVIOUS MESSAGE(S). Please check you have done this before clicking send. This makes extra work for the moderators. ______________________________________________________ Thanks again Sheila - I really appreciate you taking the time to help me with this. I was on Armour for 4.5 months and was doing really well when I went hyper. I was on 120 mg when this happened (2 grains). And now, all I can tolerate is 5 mg every FOUR days. My Dr thought maybe I wasnt hypothyroid and asked me to stop taking Armour and within a week I crashed big time and my TSH went up to 3.5. Right now my TSH is at 2.5 and FT4 AND FT3 in middle to top ranges. I am up and down - making improvements in some areas but not in others. I havent been able to work for 2 years because of this disease and because I havent found my stable dose. I am desperate for a Dr who had experience with this and can help me. With my move to London, I really want to start working again, and I can't do that till I'm a lot better. Any help from anyone who has any problems tolerating thyroid meds would be great as well as an appropriate Dr for my problem. No, I dont have any grey hairs - Im 29 years old - so I would hope not! Cheers Charlie > > However, there are several conditions as mentioned in my previous post that > will stop thyroid hormone from being absorbed, and these must be checked out > as you obviously have done. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2009 Report Share Posted February 5, 2009 Are your adrenals being supported here Charlie? Mo From: charlie_thyroid <charlie_thyroid@...>Subject: Re: Doctor in Londonthyroid treatment Date: Thursday, 5 February, 2009, 12:03 PM MODERATED TO REMOVE PREVIOUS MESSAGE(S). Please check you have done this before clicking send. This makes extra work for the moderators.____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ ______Thanks again Sheila - I really appreciate you taking the time to helpme with this.I was on Armour for 4.5 months and was doing really well when I wenthyper. I was on 120 mg when this happened (2 grains). And now, all Ican tolerate is 5 mg every FOUR days. My Dr thought maybe I wasnthypothyroid and asked me to stop taking Armour and within a week Icrashed big time and my TSH went up to 3.5. Right now my TSH is at 2.5and FT4 AND FT3 in middle to top ranges. I am up and down - makingimprovements in some areas but not in others.I havent been able to work for 2 years because of this disease andbecause I havent found my stable dose. I am desperate for a Dr who hadexperience with this and can help me. With my move to London, I reallywant to start working again, and I can't do that till I'm a lot better.Any help from anyone who has any problems tolerating thyroid medswould be great as well as an appropriate Dr for my problem.No, I dont have any grey hairs - Im 29 years old - so I would hope not! :)CheersCharlie> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2009 Report Share Posted February 5, 2009 Edited to delete all of your previous message. Sheila ___________________________________________________________ Hi Bob No, my Dr said that everything else was fine. Would you consider the magnesium to be too low? I take magnesium, but maybe I should consider taking more? Also, would you consider the zince to be low as well? In terms of addressing the high copper, they are just testing for s Disease. If that comes back normal then they said they will just advise on how to avoid copper rich foods. Do you think there is anything else I can do? I'm wondering if the high copper has anything to do with why I cant absorb my thyroid meds. Cheers Charlie > > Did your doctor mention the high copper and low magnesium? > Did your doctor recommend any stategy to treat, eg, add zinc without > any copper in it. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2009 Report Share Posted February 5, 2009 MODERATED TO REMOVE THREE MESSAGES PREVIOUSLY READ. PLEASE DELETE THESE BEFORE CLICKING SEND. IF YOU ARE NOT SURE HOW TO DO THIS, PLEASE ASK. _____________________________________________________________ Hi I have been on DHEA 20 mg for about 7 months. My cortisol was high, but the Dr said I was probably nervous before the blood test (I wasnt), so its not a concern. Cheers Charlie > > Are your adrenals being supported here Charlie? Mo > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2009 Report Share Posted February 6, 2009 Hi Charlie, " As per your advice, I asked to have my copper, zinc, magnesium, Ferritin, B12 and vitmin D levels as well. Here are my results: Copper 235 (80-155)*very elavyated Zinc 88 (70-120)*36% in range suboptimal Magnesium 1.9 (1.9-2.5)*bottom of range optimal is naer top of range Ferritin 93.6 (13-150) *good Vitamin D - pending I am conccerned about the high copper levels. Do you, or anyone else know what can cause this? I've asked to speak with my Dr about this also. Do you think the other results look ok? " I found this info on Elevated Copper thought you might find helpful. Note the paras I quopted from the second article are just an extract. Theres a lot of other really good info on Copper Toxicity there too. Regarding your Thyroid results your Doc was right they didnt show Hyperthyroid! TSH:....... 0.012 (.35-4.94)*suppressed Total T3:.... 184 (58-159) Free T3:.... 3.39 (1.71-3.71)**84% in range. Total T4:.. 16.61 (4.87-11.72) Free T4:.... 1.57 (0.7-1.48)*slightly elevated FT3 at 84% was never elevated although FT4 was a bit. However something was certainly wrong judging by your symptoms & later sensitivity. Maybe something related to Adrenals and/or this elevated Copper perhaps? Did you ever have Thyroid Antibodies tested? Specifically.... Hashis- TPO Abs & TG Abs Graves- TSI Abs ----------------------------------------------------------- Copper/Zinc Imbalance http://www.drkaslow.com/html/zinc-copper_imbalances.html ---------------------------------------------------------- Copper Toxicity http://www.advancedfamilyhealth.com/copperdocument.htm Adrenal Gland Exhaustion and Copper Toxicity Diminished adrenal activity is perhaps the single most important physiological reason for copper problems today. The reason is that adrenal activity is required to stimulate production of ceruloplasmin, the primary copper-binding protein. When adrenal activity is insufficient, ceruloplasmin synthesis in the liver declines. Copper that is not bound cannot be used and unbound copper begins to accumulate in various tissues and organs. According to hair analysis research, 70–80 percent of people tested show weak adrenal glands! Hypothyroidism An elevated copper tissue level is frequently associated with hypothyroidism, particularly when the zinc/copper ratio is greater than 10.00/1. The ideal zinc/copper ratio is 8.00/1. -------------------------------------------------------------- Hope this info is of some use to you Lethal Lee http://www.hormonesupportgroup.proboards.com/ ============================================================== Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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