Re: What Has NOT Worked.

December 12, 2002

I thought it may be helpful to the members of this group if we indicated

what remedies we have tried with no/little success. This would balance out

the one or two individuals who might have gotten relief from a specific

product and are very vocal about it with those who have tried the same

product with no results and have no reason to broadcast this information.

How could this not be of value?

Thanks, Ken

December 12, 2002

Good idea, Ken. It's important to remember that we are all individuals, and

that our bodies may respond differently to various treatments - depending

on how bad the candida is, the state of our immune system, and other

factors that come into play.

Personally, I never thought that Olive Leaf Extract helped me much. I feel

amazing when taking Pau d'Arco, but don't seem to have any die-off from it

(I think the amazing feeling I get from the Pau d'Arco is a combination of

its anti-fungal, anti-bacterial, and immune-boosting properties, along with

its iron content - yet when there is no die-off, I have to wonder what's

going on).

Ali

At 11:15 p.m. 12/12/2002 -0500, you wrote:

>I thought it may be helpful to the members of this group if we indicated

>what remedies we have tried with no/little success.

December 12, 2002

Right on! I agree completely. I have also been realizing that perhaps the best

way to beat candida from a physical standpoint to eliminate it completely from

the body would be to do a very long-term fast, completely starve it off. NO

EATING. and minimal juicing. Completely detox every cell and re-oxygenate them.

I came across this book by Dr. Rudolph Breuss. I'd like to share more and will

but I've been working tons lately. Will share when I can. But his basic

treatment plan (for everything! including cancer) is a 42-day long fast where

you drink a specific combination of vegetable juice, specific herb teas, and

that's it. And you only get to drink 2 Cups of juice all day where all pulp is

filtered from it. He had amazing results with his treatment plan. HE was

Austrian, died 2 years ago at an old age.

peace,

Joyce

So it seems to me that " curing " candida may be

a life style change and not just one magic pill or cure.

Ter

December 13, 2002

I think that is a great idea.

December 13, 2002

hi Ken!

That is a good idea!

Here is a short list I compiled that helped me temporarily:

kolorex tea and capsules

Pau D'arco (tea and capsules and tincture)

Moducare

Lactozyme

Kyolic Aged Garlic extract

Proteolytic Enzymes

Oil of Oregano

Coffee enemas/Garlic enemas etc

Oxyfresh

Oxydrops

Dioxychlor

Tea Tree Oil

colonics

olive leaf extract

Psyllium

Garlic

Vitamins

Biotin

The things that did not help:

Thymus

Desiccated Liver

Ketoconazole

Sorbic Acid

Caprylic Acid

Tanalbit

Homeopathy

Acupuncture

Hypnotism

Chiropractor

Candex

Primal Defense

Transfer Factor

peroxide via I.V

Quaw Bark tea

Grapeseed Extract

Grapefruit seed extract

Immuno Plus

Immunotech

Amino Acids

Aloe Vera Juice

Aloe capsules

Germanium

Minerals

Capristatin Acid

Yeast defense

Renew Life

Coenzyme Q10

Betaine

Cantrol

KyoGreen

Herbs

mega doses of vitamin c

ground flax seed

flax seed oil

Modern Herbalist

Herbal Healer Academy

Selenium

Multi Plus II

Transfer Factor

IP6

Microhydrin Plus

Supergram III (Alacer)

Bio-Gyn (Thorne Research)

Nystatin

Nizoral

The list is actually longer than this but I don't want to bore everyone to

death.

What has helped me since October has been CS, MSM, Oil of Oregano and ginger tea

jen

Re: What Has NOT Worked.

> I thought it may be helpful to the members of this group if we indicated

> what remedies we have tried with no/little success. This would balance out

> the one or two individuals who might have gotten relief from a specific

> product and are very vocal about it with those who have tried the same

> product with no results and have no reason to broadcast this information.

> How could this not be of value?

>

> Thanks, Ken

>

December 13, 2002

With my son, , who has CMC (Chronic Mucocutaneous Candidiasis):

We never had success with Primal Defense, but that seems to be the only thing

so far.

We have had great success with:

a " caveman " type of diet

probiotics (from Soloray)

Oil Of Oregano

Twin Labs Yeast Fighters

Grapefruit Seed Extract (from Soloray)

Angie

December 13, 2002

Okay this may a bit off the subject but.... LOL ... I read this strange post

on a message board about this woman that had suffered from candida for quite

some time and basically did it all (the treatments) nothing worked long term.

THEN she made a huge change in her life and stopped the stress and made

positive life decisions. The stress was what initially set off her sickness.

She became completely free of symptoms long term and doesn't suffer from

candida or other illnesses. Now I've read over and over about this working

and that not working and so many people respond to treatments differently....

That I wonder how much " mental " work is involved in recovery. If you don't

" trust " your treatment or Doctor then does that make it work less. and if

you completely believe that what you're doing will make you better then does

that really help to make that happen?

Now I'm not talking about this being all in our minds but we have to admit

that the mind and body work together. Also, there are new studies about

adrenal fatigue which is very serious and can cause all sorts of problems

including candida, etc.

There are cases of all kinds of illnesses, cancer, etc... where people have

suddenly gotten better even without treatment. I can't help thinking that

having a positive attitude can only help treatments. So perhaps, we may want

to protect ourselves from " doubts " about treatments or Doctors.

The truth is that we produce chemicals and reactions from how we think and

feel, and this can effect or body positively or negatively. I suspect that

when our immune system is down and we are fighting candida or virus' it is

especially important to stop the cycle of adrenaline producing thinking.

(i.e., I'll never get better) Doing things we love and producing endorphins

will strengthen us too.

As it has been said before.... Candida in itself is a symptom ... that

something else is wrong. From what I have read... Everyone has candida and

we will never completely be rid of it. It normally stays manageable until

our immune system is somehow suppressed and our body can't keep things under

control. It could be our eating and living habits, (antibiotics)an illness,

stress, meds (hormones) etc... So it seems to me that " curing " candida may be

a life style change and not just one magic pill or cure.

Ter

December 13, 2002

I find that if I don't eat meat, I can't survive on the diet. I have a small

portion of protein at every meal. That balances my blood sugar and helps me

control my carb cravings. I have felt much better on the diet. I don't

really food combine, but I do try to limit my carbs to one meal a day. The

diet I am on only allows for 1/2 cup a day of carbs, so it is easier to do

it all at one sitting. Still sucks when I have to make cookies or pasta for

the kids, but I am getting over it. I don't crave starches that much any

more.

My biggest vice is Cheese. I love cheese, and eat it every day. I am

beginning to think that since I like it so much, it must be bad for me.

Hanida

December 13, 2002

Ter,

I also agree with what you are saying. Four of my son's doctors have said

that stress plays a big part in how candidiasis is effecting his body, so

does anxiety, depression, mood swings. There have been plenty of times when

my son will just sit and cry but, he cannot tell or give a reason as to why

other than, " I just feel like crying right now. " I often think that he has

OCD (obsessive compulsive disorder) as well because he will really stress out

if his things " aren't exactly the way " he wants them to be. He will often

fall into depression, this is how I can tell that he is in for a flare up of

his CMC. He will become anxious over the simplest things that most children

would never even give a second thought to. My son just turned eight years

old, you have no clue how heartbreaking it is to see a little boy go thru

these things but, we have found that keeping a positive, loving atmosphere

for him is one of the biggest and best things we can do for him......positive

attitude, positive results!!!

Angie

December 13, 2002

On that fasting note, sixteen years ago my step mother was diagnosed with

Melanoma of the eye and liver cancer. Medical DR's gave her a few months to

live, so she looked into alternative therapies one of which was a total fast

for a month. All she could do was drink juiced and strained beets, carrots

and some other veggie. She looked like a skeleton when she was done, but she

did manage to totally eliminate all the yeast in her intestinal track. I

remember her telling me all about how shocking it was to see the yeast come

out.

I was also thinking about this, but there is no way I could survive on a

liquid diet. She suffered a lot, and it helped keep her cancer from

spreading.

Hanida

December 13, 2002

thank you .. It seems you have really been through the grind...Glad you

found something that has helped.

Ken

Re: What Has NOT Worked.

> I thought it may be helpful to the members of this group if we indicated

> what remedies we have tried with no/little success. This would balance out

> the one or two individuals who might have gotten relief from a specific

> product and are very vocal about it with those who have tried the same

> product with no results and have no reason to broadcast this information.

> How could this not be of value?

>

> Thanks, Ken

>

December 13, 2002

, if I may inquire...what were your symptoms

Re: What Has NOT Worked.

> I thought it may be helpful to the members of this group if we indicated

> what remedies we have tried with no/little success. This would balance out

> the one or two individuals who might have gotten relief from a specific

> product and are very vocal about it with those who have tried the same

> product with no results and have no reason to broadcast this information.

> How could this not be of value?

>

> Thanks, Ken

>

December 13, 2002

The only thing that hasn't worked for me is staying on the diet! The

Gaia herbs system IS working, although it tastes terrible. I do feel

die off symptoms. But I think the Yeast fighters might be easier to

swallow. I'm a little confused on the diet though. I'm not sure

whether eating meat is good or not. A naturopath at a health food

store told me to follow the Protein Power book, which is like Atkins

but a little more lenient. But then someone distributed some info

from another website earlier on this group about acid vs. alkaline

and all meats produce acid. Any advice?

December 13, 2002

I love cheese, and eat it every day. I am

> beginning to think that since I like it so much, it must be bad for

me.

>

> Hanida

Isn't that always the truth?? Ha!

Court

December 13, 2002

Ter,

I agree with a lot of what you are saying. The stress was my trigger

and the only medical doctors that acknowledge this as a

symptom/disease are specialist who treat AIDS, which compromises the

immune system. If we can restore the immune system, it will battle

the candida in conjunction with the anti-fungals, etc.

I have always been curious about events that " triggered " the candida

and when it started to mutate from a simple cell to a mycelial form

that travels and sets up colonies in weakened body areas.

Good call.

> Okay this may a bit off the subject but.... LOL ... I read this

strange post

> on a message board about this woman that had suffered from candida

for quite

> some time and basically did it all (the treatments) nothing worked

long term.

> THEN she made a huge change in her life and stopped the stress and

made

> positive life decisions. The stress was what initially set off her

sickness.

> As it has been said before.... Candida in itself is a symptom ...

that

> something else is wrong. From what I have read... Everyone has

candida and

> we will never completely be rid of it. It normally stays

manageable until

> our immune system is somehow suppressed and our body can't keep

things under

> control. It could be our eating and living habits, (antibiotics)an

illness,

> stress, meds (hormones) etc... So it seems to me that " curing "

candida may be

> a life style change and not just one magic pill or cure.

>

> Ter

>

December 13, 2002

My candida started on a rampage during pregnancy, and I wasn't

stressed.....

Mic

>As it has been said before.... Candida in itself is a symptom ... that

>something else is wrong. From what I have read...† Everyone has candida

>and

>we will never completely be rid of it.† It normally stays manageable

>until

>our immune system is somehow suppressed and our body can't keep things

>under

>control.† It could be our eating and living habits, (antibiotics)an

>illness,

>stress, meds (hormones) etc... So it seems to me that " curing " candida

>may be

>a life style change and not just one magic pill or cure.

>

>Ter

December 13, 2002

, which Gaia herbs are you taking. They make outstanding products.

What symptoms did you have? Did you but direct from them?

Regards, Ken