RE: It's Damn Tough!im fed up with this, help

March 31, 2000

Hi,

can anyone tell me why im not losing weight and now have anemia, im in

England, im under active for two years after two radio active drinks for an

over active thyroid but im having a test result next week, why have I got

anemia, my periods are heavy but I cant seem to take the doctors iron pills,

they make me very ill, sick and dizzy, the doctor said stop them then but mt

specialist will go mad as I have no iorn resurves, im very tied and wonder

why we get this treatment, I want to get slimmer but I know my thyroid is to

blame, how can I get iron into me in a natural way, is armour better, we

cant get it here only if we order it from a private doctor and the

replacment is cheap stuff, also why in the mornings do we feel worse, I

never felt like this til I got the disease, has anyone else got any ideas

..please

>Reply-hypothyroidismonelist

><hypothyroidismonelist>

>Subject: RE: It's Damn Tough!

>Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 12:20:44 +1200

>

>Dear Zosia:

>You have such a typical thyroid dysfunction scene.

>Medically trained personnel have only drugs to offer. Do you imagine that a

>laboratory imitation of your thyroid hormone would do the same as your

>natural hormone?? And without side effects??

>Your whole body, your metabolic function is completely dependent upon

>thyroid function. Natural, normal thyroid function, not the effects of a

>synthetic hormone.

>Now the big question that needs to be asked is:

>WHY do you have a hormone imbalance? Is it because you have a deficiency of

>synthetic hormones? Obviously not. Its because you have a deficiency of

>your

>natural, normal thyroid hormones, T4 and T3.

>So the second big question is:

>WHY do you have an imbalance or deficiency of your normal, natural thyroid

>hormone?

>The answer is:

>1-You have a deficiency of iodine, zinc, B6, manganese, magnesium,

>selenium,

>trace elements and tyrosine, an amino acid.

>What you do to remedy this is to take these nutrients. Thyrodine is these

>nutrients. Its been developed to supply all these nutrients in the best

>possible combination that fully restores thyroid function.

>2-You have an auto-immune dysfunction such as Hashimotos or a thyroiditis.

>To correct this dysfunction, we advise using the Immunoguard protocol which

>eliminates any pathogenic micro-organism that causes these diseases. Then,

>Thyrodine will restore thyroid function.

>3-You have an overactive thyroid.

>To correct this anomaly, we suggest that both the ImmunoGuard protocol be

>followed together with a broad spectrum Vitamin E formula known as Selenium

>A-C-E be used to address this component of causes to hyperthyroidism.

>Then Thyrodine will restore proper thyroid function.

>4-If you have a toxic metal syndrome, then chlorella or cilantro will need

>to be taken [pending further research] to eliminate the toxic metals, then

>Thyrodine will restore thyroid function.

>5-With weight gain, there are several crucial considerations;

> a-thyroid function is essential. Synthetic hormones do NOT have full

>thyroid function. People gain weight on synthetic thyroid hormones. People

>lose weight when they restore thyroid function with Thyrodine.

>Data from www.thyrodine.com

> b-an appropriate nutritional program needs to be followed.

>This can be had from the web site above or from: www.hacres.com

> c-you need a realistic self esteem stance that says...you deserve to be

>the optimal weight and look good.

> d-you need the will and determination to actualize the three above

>considerations.

>Best wishes,

>Earl

>

> It's Damn Tough!

>

>From: Zosia Pijanowski <zosia.pijanowski@...>

>

>Hi all! :-) I am new to the list, just joined a couple days ago. I

>have Hashimoto's; it was

>diagnosed about 8 months ago, although I've noticed symptoms at least two

>years before that. I had it

>checked, but *that* doctor didn't find anything and told me I simply had to

>go on a diet and exercise.

>Of course I didn't go back to that doctor. But things were getting worse:

>always sleepy, unable to

>concentrate, unable to remember, moody to the point of crying for nothing,

>dry skin, hair falling out,

>etc...you know what that's all about. I knew something was wrong and

>literally thought I was losing my

>mind. My next doc also didn't find anything at first, and also suggested

>the same, so I thought maybe

>it was just me needing to get into shape on my own.

>

>So, I took on a newspaper route, figuring I'll get paid to work out. :-)

>For a whole year, I

>walked 7 mornings a week, 10 buildings of 4 floors each with a load of

>newspapers.....and gained 50

>lbs! So I went back to my doc and asked for help to lose weight. She

>asked me what do I do for

>exercise; I told her. She dropped her jaw, took some different tests from

>the previous one, and found

>Hashimoto's.

>

>I'm now on Synthroid, and although I've noticed quite a few people are not

>happy with it, I'm afraid to

>change because I feel 100% better than before. Virtually all symptoms have

>gone away....except for the

>weight. I don't have hives from it, I don't get jitters, I take one 75mcg

>tablet M-F and two on Sa and

>Su and a vitamine, and I'm doing ok. I no longer do a newspaper route,

>however, because it was a

>killer. Since starting medication, I thought I'd be able to lose weight.

>Not without doing anything,

>of course, I figured I'd still have to eat healthy and exercise, but I

>thought I'd at least be able to

>work out 4-5 times a week, like normal people do, and lose it. I'm a

>sporty

>type, in fact. At least 5

>days a week I'm doing something, either playing tennis, swimming, walk,

>working out, gardening, heavy

>house cleaning, etc..except for at work, I'm moving more often than not.

>But not much is happening. I

>admit I used to be more consistant with it, but because there was no

>success

>beyond 5-8 lbs, I

>frequently lose hope and patience and sulk with a pizza in front of the TV.

>This is damn tough! I

>need to lose 75 lbs. My " real " wordrobe is a size 10, and I only have a

>few items Is there any hope

>out there? Or am I doomed to this for life now?

>

>I'm even planning to go back to school to get a certificate (or even a

>degree) in physical fitness, to

>make this a part of my life. Do I really need to go that far? And if I

>do,

>will it even work?

>

>Somebody help me!

>

>Zosia

>

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April 1, 2000

Dear :

Iron, inorganic iron as in pills are one of the leading causes of free

radicals. Free radicals are one of the leading causes of aging and

deterioration.

You can get all the organic iron you need from beet root, parsley, silver

beet and a product from Switzerland called Floradix.

www.hacres.com has some brilliant nutritional data. They're also

fundamantalists but have a real hold on the nutritional basis of health.

Medical " science " has yet to determine how to correct a thyroid dysfunction.

Burning out a gland with RAI is close to insane.

If you'll check out the web site www.thyrodine.com you'll find most of the

answers to your questions.

You tend to rely on " doctors " for your health. Pam has given resources for

researching your own data. Accept responsibility for your own health.

Consult with naturopathic doctors, but be your own expert and don't let

pharmaceutically educated personnel dictate to you.

best wishes,

Earl

It's Damn Tough!

>

>From: Zosia Pijanowski <zosia.pijanowski@...>

>

>Hi all! :-) I am new to the list, just joined a couple days ago. I

>have Hashimoto's; it was

>diagnosed about 8 months ago, although I've noticed symptoms at least two

>years before that. I had it

>checked, but *that* doctor didn't find anything and told me I simply had to

>go on a diet and exercise.

>Of course I didn't go back to that doctor. But things were getting worse:

>always sleepy, unable to

>concentrate, unable to remember, moody to the point of crying for nothing,

>dry skin, hair falling out,

>etc...you know what that's all about. I knew something was wrong and

>literally thought I was losing my

>mind. My next doc also didn't find anything at first, and also suggested

>the same, so I thought maybe

>it was just me needing to get into shape on my own.

>

>So, I took on a newspaper route, figuring I'll get paid to work out. :-)

>For a whole year, I

>walked 7 mornings a week, 10 buildings of 4 floors each with a load of

>newspapers.....and gained 50

>lbs! So I went back to my doc and asked for help to lose weight. She

>asked me what do I do for

>exercise; I told her. She dropped her jaw, took some different tests from

>the previous one, and found

>Hashimoto's.

>

>I'm now on Synthroid, and although I've noticed quite a few people are not

>happy with it, I'm afraid to

>change because I feel 100% better than before. Virtually all symptoms have

>gone away....except for the

>weight. I don't have hives from it, I don't get jitters, I take one 75mcg

>tablet M-F and two on Sa and

>Su and a vitamine, and I'm doing ok. I no longer do a newspaper route,

>however, because it was a

>killer. Since starting medication, I thought I'd be able to lose weight.

>Not without doing anything,

>of course, I figured I'd still have to eat healthy and exercise, but I

>thought I'd at least be able to

>work out 4-5 times a week, like normal people do, and lose it. I'm a

>sporty

>type, in fact. At least 5

>days a week I'm doing something, either playing tennis, swimming, walk,

>working out, gardening, heavy

>house cleaning, etc..except for at work, I'm moving more often than not.

>But not much is happening. I

>admit I used to be more consistant with it, but because there was no

>success

>beyond 5-8 lbs, I

>frequently lose hope and patience and sulk with a pizza in front of the TV.

>This is damn tough! I

>need to lose 75 lbs. My " real " wordrobe is a size 10, and I only have a

>few items Is there any hope

>out there? Or am I doomed to this for life now?

>

>I'm even planning to go back to school to get a certificate (or even a

>degree) in physical fitness, to

>make this a part of my life. Do I really need to go that far? And if I

>do,

>will it even work?

>

>Somebody help me!

>

>Zosia

>

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>Classmates.com has them all. And with 4.4 million alumni already

>registered, there's a good chance you'll find your friends here:

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>

April 1, 2000

Mr. Conroy you continue to try and market your products on a serious list

looking for answers to a deadly health problem, but you are steadfast in

not answering ANY of my simple questions. If your products are as

effective as you say they are why has no doctor in ANY country on earth

reported your findings in any journals or reports, of your reported

1000's of people relived of their symptoms, and corrected dysfunction?

I truely believed that you would take advantage of the medical

informational addresses that I provided to this list, for their benifit

only, to educate yourself, or at the very least polish your sales

presentation to the point that you would not be repeating yourself over

and over again. The people on this list will not be impressed with your

ability to use big words which you seem not to understand the meaning of,

when they now have in their possession access to true information that

they can relie upon. I would please draw your attention to the message

archives of this list, #807, where I asked a number of simple questions

of you and your products which you have not answered. I think everyone

can understand why you have not responded to my questions. I believe

in an open honest exchange of ideas, treatments, and cures, but I also

feel that your statements should have some bases in reality, and that you

should at least be able to explain your statements in a simple way that

even I can understand. I think that your reluctance to provide true

information, or engage in an open discussion concerning your commercial

operation on this list, speaks for itself. What exactly do you mean by

" accept responsibility for your own health " ? I feel that people are

accepting reponsibility for their own health, otherwise they would not be

here looking for answers and help. A few weeks ago your statements

caused a problem to the people on this list because of your inability to

answer simple questions about your commerical products. Their

frustration is understandable, when they had no access to accurate

information. Now they have access to true and accurate information,

and I am sure that they would be eager to compare your information in

relation to the information provided by the NIH (National Institute of

Health). LTLDAB1@...

Dear :

Iron, inorganic iron as in pills are one of the leading causes of free

radicals. Free radicals are one of the leading causes of aging and

deterioration.

You can get all the organic iron you need from beet root, parsley, silver

beet and a product from Switzerland called Floradix.

www.hacres.com has some brilliant nutritional data. They're also

fundamantalists but have a real hold on the nutritional basis of health.

Medical " science " has yet to determine how to correct a thyroid dysfunction.

Burning out a gland with RAI is close to insane.

If you'll check out the web site www.thyrodine.com you'll find most of the

answers to your questions.

You tend to rely on " doctors " for your health. Pam has given resources for

researching your own data. Accept responsibility for your own health.

Consult with naturopathic doctors, but be your own expert and don't let

pharmaceutically educated personnel dictate to you.

best wishes,

Earl

It's Damn Tough!

>

>From: Zosia Pijanowski <zosia.pijanowski@...>

>

>Hi all! :-) I am new to the list, just joined a couple days ago. I

>have Hashimoto's; it was

>diagnosed about 8 months ago, although I've noticed symptoms at least two

>years before that. I had it

>checked, but *that* doctor didn't find anything and told me I simply had to

>go on a diet and exercise.

>Of course I didn't go back to that doctor. But things were getting worse:

>always sleepy, unable to

>concentrate, unable to remember, moody to the point of crying for nothing,

>dry skin, hair falling out,

>etc...you know what that's all about. I knew something was wrong and

>literally thought I was losing my

>mind. My next doc also didn't find anything at first, and also suggested

>the same, so I thought maybe

>it was just me needing to get into shape on my own.

>

>So, I took on a newspaper route, figuring I'll get paid to work out. :-)

>For a whole year, I

>walked 7 mornings a week, 10 buildings of 4 floors each with a load of

>newspapers.....and gained 50

>lbs! So I went back to my doc and asked for help to lose weight. She

>asked me what do I do for

>exercise; I told her. She dropped her jaw, took some different tests from

>the previous one, and found

>Hashimoto's.

>

>I'm now on Synthroid, and although I've noticed quite a few people are not

>happy with it, I'm afraid to

>change because I feel 100% better than before. Virtually all symptoms have

>gone away....except for the

>weight. I don't have hives from it, I don't get jitters, I take one 75mcg

>tablet M-F and two on Sa and

>Su and a vitamine, and I'm doing ok. I no longer do a newspaper route,

>however, because it was a

>killer. Since starting medication, I thought I'd be able to lose weight.

>Not without doing anything,

>of course, I figured I'd still have to eat healthy and exercise, but I

>thought I'd at least be able to

>work out 4-5 times a week, like normal people do, and lose it. I'm a

>sporty

>type, in fact. At least 5

>days a week I'm doing something, either playing tennis, swimming, walk,

>working out, gardening, heavy

>house cleaning, etc..except for at work, I'm moving more often than not.

>But not much is happening. I

>admit I used to be more consistant with it, but because there was no

>success

>beyond 5-8 lbs, I

>frequently lose hope and patience and sulk with a pizza in front of the TV.

>This is damn tough! I

>need to lose 75 lbs. My " real " wordrobe is a size 10, and I only have a

>few items Is there any hope

>out there? Or am I doomed to this for life now?

>

>I'm even planning to go back to school to get a certificate (or even a

>degree) in physical fitness, to

>make this a part of my life. Do I really need to go that far? And if I

>do,

>will it even work?

>

>Somebody help me!

>

>Zosia

>

>------------------------------------------------------------------------

>Good friends, school spirit, hair-dos you'd like to forget.

>Classmates.com has them all. And with 4.4 million alumni already

>registered, there's a good chance you'll find your friends here:

>1/2623/7/_/62054/_/954287521/

>------------------------------------------------------------------------

>

April 1, 2000

Well said ! The last thing we need is some sales person shoving

products at us.........trying to make a quick buck off our misery.

Re: It's Damn Tough!im fed up with this, help

> Mr. Conroy you continue to try and market your products on a serious list

> looking for answers to a deadly health problem, but you are steadfast in

> not answering ANY of my simple questions. If your products are as

> effective as you say they are why has no doctor in ANY country on earth

> reported your findings in any journals or reports, of your reported

> 1000's of people relived of their symptoms, and corrected dysfunction?

> I truely believed that you would take advantage of the medical

> informational addresses that I provided to this list, for their benifit

> only, to educate yourself, or at the very least polish your sales

> presentation to the point that you would not be repeating yourself over

> and over again. The people on this list will not be impressed with your

> ability to use big words which you seem not to understand the meaning of,

> when they now have in their possession access to true information that

> they can relie upon. I would please draw your attention to the message

> archives of this list, #807, where I asked a number of simple questions

> of you and your products which you have not answered. I think everyone

> can understand why you have not responded to my questions. I believe

> in an open honest exchange of ideas, treatments, and cures, but I also

> feel that your statements should have some bases in reality, and that you

> should at least be able to explain your statements in a simple way that

> even I can understand. I think that your reluctance to provide true

> information, or engage in an open discussion concerning your commercial

> operation on this list, speaks for itself. What exactly do you mean by

> " accept responsibility for your own health " ? I feel that people are

> accepting reponsibility for their own health, otherwise they would not be

> here looking for answers and help. A few weeks ago your statements

> caused a problem to the people on this list because of your inability to

> answer simple questions about your commerical products. Their

> frustration is understandable, when they had no access to accurate

> information. Now they have access to true and accurate information,

> and I am sure that they would be eager to compare your information in

> relation to the information provided by the NIH (National Institute of

> Health). LTLDAB1@...

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April 1, 2000

Dear Earl,

you say in your reply that iron causes ageing, but if im anemic its not

good, im losing a lot of bllod in my periods so just iron from food is not

putting my blood right, the Doctor says iron is needed if we get anemia, you

say I put my faith in doctors, I guess I do but Earl we have to trust them,

ok some are better some not but what else can we do, I have worked hard to

get well, also I know radio active treatment is not ideal maybe but belive

me having an over active thyroid was killing me, my heart was speeding and I

had no choice, either the operation or radio active cocktail my specialist

said I would die if I left myself over active, all that matters to me now is

to get well, im slightly under active, maybe I trust Doctors to much as you

say, I dont think any product would have cured me two years ago

only radical treatment and I did go to see a top specialist in London who

had trained in the USA, my friend had radio active therapy now on replacment

and just had a baby so got well, I tend to feel my levels are under and that

is what is making me ill, I think we should go by our Doctors with such an

illness, maybe im wrong but feel a bit confused now, what would a

naturopatic doctor do and are these products tested and aproved, please

someone tell me, I know doctors are not god but I just dont know .

anna

>From: ltldab1@...

>Reply-hypothyroidismonelist

>hypothyroidismonelist, LTLDAB1@..., waiorama@...

>CC: hypothyroidismonelist

>Subject: Re: It's Damn Tough!im fed up with this, help

>Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2000 00:10:19 -0800

>

>Mr. Conroy you continue to try and market your products on a serious list

>looking for answers to a deadly health problem, but you are steadfast in

>not answering ANY of my simple questions. If your products are as

>effective as you say they are why has no doctor in ANY country on earth

>reported your findings in any journals or reports, of your reported

>1000's of people relived of their symptoms, and corrected dysfunction?

>I truely believed that you would take advantage of the medical

>informational addresses that I provided to this list, for their benifit

>only, to educate yourself, or at the very least polish your sales

>presentation to the point that you would not be repeating yourself over

>and over again. The people on this list will not be impressed with your

>ability to use big words which you seem not to understand the meaning of,

>when they now have in their possession access to true information that

>they can relie upon. I would please draw your attention to the message

>archives of this list, #807, where I asked a number of simple questions

>of you and your products which you have not answered. I think everyone

>can understand why you have not responded to my questions. I believe

>in an open honest exchange of ideas, treatments, and cures, but I also

>feel that your statements should have some bases in reality, and that you

>should at least be able to explain your statements in a simple way that

>even I can understand. I think that your reluctance to provide true

>information, or engage in an open discussion concerning your commercial

>operation on this list, speaks for itself. What exactly do you mean by

> " accept responsibility for your own health " ? I feel that people are

>accepting reponsibility for their own health, otherwise they would not be

>here looking for answers and help. A few weeks ago your statements

>caused a problem to the people on this list because of your inability to

>answer simple questions about your commerical products. Their

>frustration is understandable, when they had no access to accurate

>information. Now they have access to true and accurate information,

>and I am sure that they would be eager to compare your information in

>relation to the information provided by the NIH (National Institute of

>Health). LTLDAB1@...

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April 1, 2000

In a message dated 4/1/00 8:19:39 AM Central Standard Time, alley@...

writes:

<< Well said ! The last thing we need is some sales person shoving

products at us.........trying to make a quick buck off our misery.

>>

I agree.............

I personally feel we need to look at what is causing our illness.. and I too,

after spending thousands and thousands of dollars on this and that do not

trust most doctors nor miracle cures... I have finally found that a simple

hair test can let you know if you have heavy metals... and heavy metals will

cause a hypothyroid problem... I have found by removing the metals that the

body starts to heal itsself again... I am very fortunate to have kept up the

fight for my life back.. the Chronic fatigue was horrific..and everything

that heavy metals do to the body.. they do not allow the body to function...

plan and simple..

Merry

It is my belief that toxic chemicals and heavy metals destroy our body....

and yet the body tries to heal itself if it can...

April 1, 2000

Dear :

There are obviously medically trained personnel who are caring and

proficient. They are all trained to use pharmaceutical products which is all

they have to offer. They also tend to utilize fear to coerce patients into

accepting their bizarre therapies.

Naturopathic doctors are trained to use natural substances and to work with

natural rhythms and harmony of the body.

Unfortunately there are only 8 or 9 states that license naturopaths. They

are present in all Canadian provinces, all throughout England, Australia and

New Zealand.

The problem with RAI and surgery is that they tend to be fairly permanent.

Once the thyroid is destroyed, it may not grow back.

You ask is our Thyrodine " tested? " Is synthroid or Levothyroxin " tested? "

These drugs do suppress symptoms of thyroid dysfunction as the gland

continues to deteriorate. They also have serious side effects. Thyrodine has

not been " tested " in questionable double blind, crossover, placebo trials,

neither have the drugs.

Thyrodine restores thyroid function, has been doing so for over 25 years,

and has never had any side effects reported, except for 3 instances

of...speediness.

If your thyroid has been destroyed then your best bet is Armour. It

" replaces " your thyroid hormone with a pigs thyroid hormone. If there is any

thyroid gland substance left then Thyrodine may restore thyroid function

again.

A Baptist minister in Shelby, North Carolina, Rev. Malkmus, found

that he was able to cure his intestinal cancer by adopting a mostly raw,

organically grown food nutritional program supplemented with raw carrot and

beet root juices and two products... Herbal Fiber Blend to detox the

intestines and BarleyGreen to provide all required nutrients in an organic

form. He has since found that those who choose to follow a similar

nutritional program gain incredible health and vitality. He claims that over

one million people are now following his Hallelujah diet. Suggest you access

his web site: www.hacres.com

Best wishes,