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Sherry wrote:

> Does anyone know if the thyroid can affect a person's IgG lab number? ...

Sure, if the IgG is excessively attaching to thyroid hormones. That

takes T4 and T3 out of circulation while reducing overall IgG levels.

This is one situation in which TSH is not effective for preliminary

screening. You need to measure Free T3 or Free T4 to know if these are

interacting abnormally.

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So Chuck if I understand you, The IgG number can be directly

affected by Free T3/T4?

My daughter is popping up with abnormally low (but not rediculously

low) total IgG. She also tested VERY low on immunity to all of the

pneumonioccocus germs. This kid is the healthiest sick kid you

would ever meet. She looks like the perfect example of health. But,

something is wrong because she is so tired and forgetful. And, she

gets walking pneumonia every single winter. Many times she finally

kicks this on her own, so it can't be solely a genetic immunity.

With tons of athletic conditioning she only has 80-90% of lung

function after inhalers.

I will have to press this issue harder. Her doctor has always

minimized her health issues because she looks so good. It was an

allergist that tested for the immunity, which should have been

caught 12 years ago.

> > Does anyone know if the thyroid can affect a person's IgG lab

number? ...

>

> Sure, if the IgG is excessively attaching to thyroid hormones.

That

> takes T4 and T3 out of circulation while reducing overall IgG

levels.

> This is one situation in which TSH is not effective for

preliminary

> screening. You need to measure Free T3 or Free T4 to know if these

are

> interacting abnormally.

>

> Chuck

>

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Sherry,

You wrote:

> So Chuck if I understand you, The IgG number can be directly

> affected by Free T3/T4? ...

Most of the T4 and T3 in your system is tied up by either globulin or

albumin. The little bit that is left is the Free fraction. If too much

is tied up, then both thyroid and immunoglobulin will be down.

However, IgG usually refers to a specific type of antibody, one that

usually appears late in an infection. If you are telling me that IgG

type _antibodies_ are going down, that is a good indication. If you mean

immunoglobulin in general in going down, that could be different. IgG

antibodies are indeed a type that attacks the thyroid hormones,

particularly in the thryoglobulin complex.

So, do you mean antibodies or globulin?

Chuck

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Total IgG antibodies is what I was told. - (IgG antibodies are

considered the most important antibodies for fighting bacterial and

viral infections.)

I didn't realize there was another IgG. Yes, I was referring to

antibodies. My daughters total IgG antibody number is low, and even

dropped a little. So are you saying even the antibody version binds

with T3 and T4? I'm just trying to understand the dynamics and what

could cause variances. Thanks for all the help Chuck!!

Sherry

>

> > So Chuck if I understand you, The IgG number can be directly

> > affected by Free T3/T4? ...

>

> Most of the T4 and T3 in your system is tied up by either globulin

or

> albumin. The little bit that is left is the Free fraction. If too

much

> is tied up, then both thyroid and immunoglobulin will be down.

>

> However, IgG usually refers to a specific type of antibody, one

that

> usually appears late in an infection. If you are telling me that

IgG

> type _antibodies_ are going down, that is a good indication. If

you mean

> immunoglobulin in general in going down, that could be different.

IgG

> antibodies are indeed a type that attacks the thyroid hormones,

> particularly in the thryoglobulin complex.

>

> So, do you mean antibodies or globulin?

>

> Chuck

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Sherry,

You wrote:

> ... Yes, I was referring to

> antibodies. My daughters total IgG antibody number is low, and even

> dropped a little. So are you saying even the antibody version binds

> with T3 and T4? ...

Actually there are five different classes of immunoglobulins, which are

a subset of the globulins. The fact that her IgG antibodies are low is

good news. That means her system is NOT mounting a defense against an

infection, nor is it mistakenly attacking globulin bound thyroid

hormones. There are more specific antibodies that identify Hashimoto's,

but I think if IgG antibodies are low, that includes the specific ones

and rules out Hashi's. I could be wrong about that, though.

Chuck

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Thanks for all the follow up Chuck. I geuss we can rule out the

thyroid in this one. Bummer. For everyone thinking hashis stinks, in

this case the fix for it is so much better than that for low

immunity. And, I say that as someone who deals with the ups/downs of

Hashis. It's no fun but it could be worse.

Sherry

-- In hypothyroidism , Chuck B <gumboyaya@...> wrote:

> Actually there are five different classes of immunoglobulins, which

are a subset of the globulins. The fact that her IgG antibodies are

low is good news. That means her system is NOT mounting a defense

against an infection, nor is it mistakenly attacking globulin bound

thyroid hormones. There are more specific antibodies that identify

Hashimoto's, but I think if IgG antibodies are low, that includes the

specific ones and rules out Hashi's. I could be wrong about that,

though.

> Chuck

>

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