Re: My first endo appointment was today.

[Guest guest]

Hi , I don't want to sound obnoxious here but this doc doesn't sound

like a topdoc to me. She should not be " deciding " to treat you based on a

very flawed test, if you clearly have hypo symptoms. Depression is a hypo

symptom. I think the very worst docs use T4 and antidepressants--better to

use T4/T3 and NO antidepressants. (Cod liver oil helps too). And what

exactly is borderline? What is the magic number? Many have a tsh that is

way too high and yet are told they are normal.

Gracia

>

> Hello everyone,

>

> I had my first appointment today with an endo that was

> recommended on one of the site's. I was diagnosed

> with Hypo by my family doctor and was taking .025 of

> Levoxyl for the last 5 weeks and didn't notice any

> difference. The endo said my thyroid is borderline

> hypo and that she will only treat me if this next test

> comes back low. She also said if she does decide to

> treat me, I will be given a much higher dosage of

> hormone because at .025mg it would take 6 months

> before I felt better. She said that I should start

> taking Celexa for depression. She agreed to do a

> tests for Cortisol levels, TSH, Ultrasensitive and

> Thyroid Peroxidase Antibodies. I asked about T3 and

> T4 and she said that it wasn't necessary. I should

> find out the results by the end of the week. So,

> overall, I guess it went fairly well?

>

>

>

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

Wow, that sounds just like what my docs have been

saying. I'm borderline too and I can't get the endo

or my primary to treat me. I have just started taking

Celexa b/c of my extreme fatigue and tension

headaches. I think it is working a little but I think

that maybe it is just masking the problems!

Good luck to you and if you don't get a response from

your endo, or if she takes you off medication, go back

to your primary doc and complain until you are heard!

I wanted the Free T-3 and Free T-4 and all of my docs

say it isn't necessary! Go figure!

Good luck and hope you are feeling better soon!

Jill

--- Nunnally <dezign4you@...> wrote:

>

> Hello everyone,

>

> I had my first appointment today with an endo that

> was

> recommended on one of the site's. I was diagnosed

> with Hypo by my family doctor and was taking .025 of

> Levoxyl for the last 5 weeks and didn't notice any

> difference. The endo said my thyroid is borderline

> hypo and that she will only treat me if this next

> test

> comes back low. She also said if she does decide to

> treat me, I will be given a much higher dosage of

> hormone because at .025mg it would take 6 months

> before I felt better. She said that I should start

> taking Celexa for depression. She agreed to do a

> tests for Cortisol levels, TSH, Ultrasensitive and

> Thyroid Peroxidase Antibodies. I asked about T3 and

> T4 and she said that it wasn't necessary. I should

> find out the results by the end of the week. So,

> overall, I guess it went fairly well?

>

>

>

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Gracia,

Well, my TSH test came back at 5.96 I believe. I have

been taking flaxseed oil. Do you know which is better

or do I need the cod oil also? Thanks.

--- Gracia <gberro@...> wrote:

>

> Hi , I don't want to sound obnoxious here but

> this doc doesn't sound

> like a topdoc to me. She should not be " deciding "

> to treat you based on a

> very flawed test, if you clearly have hypo symptoms.

> Depression is a hypo

> symptom. I think the very worst docs use T4 and

> antidepressants--better to

> use T4/T3 and NO antidepressants. (Cod liver oil

> helps too). And what

> exactly is borderline? What is the magic number?

> Many have a tsh that is

> way too high and yet are told they are normal.

> Gracia

>

> >

> > Hello everyone,

> >

> > I had my first appointment today with an endo that

> was

> > recommended on one of the site's. I was diagnosed

> > with Hypo by my family doctor and was taking .025

> of

> > Levoxyl for the last 5 weeks and didn't notice any

> > difference. The endo said my thyroid is

> borderline

> > hypo and that she will only treat me if this next

> test

> > comes back low. She also said if she does decide

> to

> > treat me, I will be given a much higher dosage of

> > hormone because at .025mg it would take 6 months

> > before I felt better. She said that I should

> start

> > taking Celexa for depression. She agreed to do a

> > tests for Cortisol levels, TSH, Ultrasensitive and

> > Thyroid Peroxidase Antibodies. I asked about T3

> and

> > T4 and she said that it wasn't necessary. I

> should

> > find out the results by the end of the week. So,

> > overall, I guess it went fairly well?

> >

> >

> >

> > __________________________________________________

> >

[Guest guest]

Hello all,

I have found in my 6+years of searching for health and vitility while a

hypo, is still proper medication and correct amount. I went through the

depression pill thing, and found myself tired and sleepy and lack of

enthusiasum. That was almost 6 years ago. I wasn't satisfied. I studied much

and found I need more thyroid medication. I finally found a doctor who would

give me more (2 years later!). I felt better but not well. I was on

synthyroid. I found in my studies that I needed T3. I went through several

mean,nasty doctors before I found one that gave me Armour.(5 yearsafter

orginal diagnosis.) I am doing much better and feel well and productive most

days. My teeth aren't rotting out from synthyroid ( I feel this drug cause

bone loss.)

It is so important to fight for your health and leave the doctor that

doesn't agree.There are good doctors out there whoi will help. You have to

be your own advocate! Study, Study, Study!

Press on!

Kim

>From: Jill N <jilln0323@...>

>Reply-hypothyroidism

>hypothyroidism

>Subject: Re: My first endo appointment was today.

>Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 06:30:30 -0800 (PST)

>

>Wow, that sounds just like what my docs have been

>saying. I'm borderline too and I can't get the endo

>or my primary to treat me. I have just started taking

>Celexa b/c of my extreme fatigue and tension

>headaches. I think it is working a little but I think

>that maybe it is just masking the problems!

>

>Good luck to you and if you don't get a response from

>your endo, or if she takes you off medication, go back

>to your primary doc and complain until you are heard!

>

>

>I wanted the Free T-3 and Free T-4 and all of my docs

>say it isn't necessary! Go figure!

>

>Good luck and hope you are feeling better soon!

>

>Jill

>--- Nunnally <dezign4you@...> wrote:

> >

> > Hello everyone,

> >

> > I had my first appointment today with an endo that

> > was

> > recommended on one of the site's. I was diagnosed

> > with Hypo by my family doctor and was taking .025 of

> > Levoxyl for the last 5 weeks and didn't notice any

> > difference. The endo said my thyroid is borderline

> > hypo and that she will only treat me if this next

> > test

> > comes back low. She also said if she does decide to

> > treat me, I will be given a much higher dosage of

> > hormone because at .025mg it would take 6 months

> > before I felt better. She said that I should start

> > taking Celexa for depression. She agreed to do a

> > tests for Cortisol levels, TSH, Ultrasensitive and

> > Thyroid Peroxidase Antibodies. I asked about T3 and

> > T4 and she said that it wasn't necessary. I should

> > find out the results by the end of the week. So,

> > overall, I guess it went fairly well?

> >

> >

> >

> > __________________________________________________

> >

[Guest guest]

,

I agree with Gracia...your doc does sound like she is treating the test

results - not your symptoms. I was always considered " borderline " so I spent

the majority of my life depressed (and other symptoms). It wasn't until I

couldn't get pregnant that they finally decided to start me on Synthroid (my

first symptoms, a goiter, started when I was around 15 yrs old - I wasn't

diagnosed & given drugs until I was 31 yrs). When they got my dosage right

all my symptoms were gone & I was, for the first time in my life, genuinely

happy! So much that my therapist told me I didn't need to see her anymore

either. Of course, after pregnancy I've never been able to get myself back

in balance & have been changing my dosages every 4 to 6 months since! (most

recently my ob/gyn told me my tests were normal but my family doc showed me

that my normal was WAY lower than what the ob/gyn & lab defined as " normal " )

I've only ever had the TSH test - but I'm thinking of going back to my doc.

& asking for a complete workup. I read on a website

(http://www.healthcheckusa.com/) this description of a comprehensive thyroid

panel: This profile includes T3 Uptake, T4 Total, T7, and TSH.

Hope this helps! hang in there!

.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Blake

shelly@...

www.moonlightpro.com

(847) 776-9697

" Growing Your Business Made Easier "

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

My first endo appointment was today.

Hello everyone,

I had my first appointment today with an endo that was

recommended on one of the site's. I was diagnosed

with Hypo by my family doctor and was taking .025 of

Levoxyl for the last 5 weeks and didn't notice any

difference. The endo said my thyroid is borderline

hypo and that she will only treat me if this next test

comes back low. She also said if she does decide to

treat me, I will be given a much higher dosage of

hormone because at .025mg it would take 6 months

before I felt better. She said that I should start

taking Celexa for depression. She agreed to do a

tests for Cortisol levels, TSH, Ultrasensitive and

Thyroid Peroxidase Antibodies. I asked about T3 and

T4 and she said that it wasn't necessary. I should

find out the results by the end of the week. So,

overall, I guess it went fairly well?

________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 02/25/2002 6:45:30 PM Pacific Standard Time, dezign4you@... writes:

The endo said my thyroid is borderline

hypo and that she will only treat me if this next test

comes back low. She also said if she does decide to

treat me, I will be given a much higher dosage of

hormone because at .025mg it would take 6 months

before I felt better. She said that I should start

taking Celexa for depression. She agreed to do a

tests for Cortisol levels, TSH, Ultrasensitive and

Thyroid Peroxidase Antibodies. I asked about T3 and

T4 and she said that it wasn't necessary.

,

I agree with the other members who suggest your doc is more interested in the numbers game of your blood tests than treating you as a person. Depression is a symptom of hypo and imo, the hypothyroidism needs to be treated first and then the depression should resolve. I know I say it a lot here, but I'll say it again, find a doc who has the guts to treat you based on your symptoms, not your blood tests. If the root of your thyroid problem is in the conversion process of T4 to T3 in the cells of the body and not in the thyroid gland itself, your blood work will not show that malfunction. I think you owe it to yourself to find a more alternatively minded MD who will consider other approaches for you like the Broda people or the 's Thyroid Syndrome people.

Keep researching and asking questions and don't settle for pat explanations or brush offs from your doc! Here's hoping for your return to good health,

in LA

"We are each responsible for our own life--no other person is or even *can* be." Oprah Winfrey

[Guest guest]

---did the synthroid get you pregnant? I have met a few women who

paid thousands of dollars to fertility clinics. They both are clearly

(untreated) hypothyroid. I am so surprised that docs put women through

this when thyroid and progesterone are cheaper and healthier for mother and

baby. I personally was infertile since age 24 while I was told my

tsh/thyroid were normal. Now I know otherwise.

Gracia

> ,

> I agree with Gracia...your doc does sound like she is treating the test

> results - not your symptoms. I was always considered " borderline " so I

spent

> the majority of my life depressed (and other symptoms). It wasn't until I

> couldn't get pregnant that they finally decided to start me on Synthroid

(my

> first symptoms, a goiter, started when I was around 15 yrs old - I wasn't

> diagnosed & given drugs until I was 31 yrs). When they got my dosage right

> all my symptoms were gone & I was, for the first time in my life,

genuinely

> happy! So much that my therapist told me I didn't need to see her anymore

> either. Of course, after pregnancy I've never been able to get myself back

> in balance & have been changing my dosages every 4 to 6 months since!

(most

> recently my ob/gyn told me my tests were normal but my family doc showed

me

> that my normal was WAY lower than what the ob/gyn & lab defined as

" normal " )

> I've only ever had the TSH test - but I'm thinking of going back to my

doc.

> & asking for a complete workup. I read on a website

> (http://www.healthcheckusa.com/) this description of a comprehensive

thyroid

> panel: This profile includes T3 Uptake, T4 Total, T7, and TSH.

> Hope this helps! hang in there!

> .

>

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> Blake

> shelly@...

> www.moonlightpro.com

> (847) 776-9697

> " Growing Your Business Made Easier "

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

>

> My first endo appointment was today.

>

> Hello everyone,

>

> I had my first appointment today with an endo that was

> recommended on one of the site's. I was diagnosed

> with Hypo by my family doctor and was taking .025 of

> Levoxyl for the last 5 weeks and didn't notice any

> difference. The endo said my thyroid is borderline

> hypo and that she will only treat me if this next test

> comes back low. She also said if she does decide to

> treat me, I will be given a much higher dosage of

> hormone because at .025mg it would take 6 months

> before I felt better. She said that I should start

> taking Celexa for depression. She agreed to do a

> tests for Cortisol levels, TSH, Ultrasensitive and

> Thyroid Peroxidase Antibodies. I asked about T3 and

> T4 and she said that it wasn't necessary. I should

> find out the results by the end of the week. So,

> overall, I guess it went fairly well?

>

>

>

> ________________________________________________

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi , I would be in a coma with a tsh of 5.96. Maybe you could loan

the doctor a good thyroid book like Shomon's so she can get up to

speed. I think the cod liver oil, which has EPA and DHA is better for the

blues. I have some info on it somewhere here. Also vitamin D is getting

a lot of attention these days as a brain nutrient. I like Carlson's Cod

Liver Oil lemon flavor---it really has no taste.

Gracia

> Hi Gracia,

>

> Well, my TSH test came back at 5.96 I believe. I have

> been taking flaxseed oil. Do you know which is better

> or do I need the cod oil also? Thanks.

>

>

>

>

> --- Gracia <gberro@...> wrote:

> >

> > Hi , I don't want to sound obnoxious here but

> > this doc doesn't sound

> > like a topdoc to me. She should not be " deciding "

> > to treat you based on a

> > very flawed test, if you clearly have hypo symptoms.

> > Depression is a hypo

> > symptom. I think the very worst docs use T4 and

> > antidepressants--better to

> > use T4/T3 and NO antidepressants. (Cod liver oil

> > helps too). And what

> > exactly is borderline? What is the magic number?

> > Many have a tsh that is

> > way too high and yet are told they are normal.

> > Gracia

> >

> > >

> > > Hello everyone,

> > >

> > > I had my first appointment today with an endo that

> > was

> > > recommended on one of the site's. I was diagnosed

> > > with Hypo by my family doctor and was taking .025

> > of

> > > Levoxyl for the last 5 weeks and didn't notice any

> > > difference. The endo said my thyroid is

> > borderline

> > > hypo and that she will only treat me if this next

> > test

> > > comes back low. She also said if she does decide

> > to

> > > treat me, I will be given a much higher dosage of

> > > hormone because at .025mg it would take 6 months

> > > before I felt better. She said that I should

> > start

> > > taking Celexa for depression. She agreed to do a

> > > tests for Cortisol levels, TSH, Ultrasensitive and

> > > Thyroid Peroxidase Antibodies. I asked about T3

> > and

> > > T4 and she said that it wasn't necessary. I

> > should

> > > find out the results by the end of the week. So,

> > > overall, I guess it went fairly well?

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > __________________________________________________

> > >

[Guest guest]

Wow,

Both the endo and my family doctor said it wasn't

really that severe and I shouldn't worry about it. I

guess I need to find a new doc! Gracia...you seem to

be very knowledgeable about this. What is all of the

negeative talk I keep hearing about Synthroid and is

that the same as Levoxyl. I know there are some

lawsuits but I wasn't sure if Synthroid was a general

term used for synthetic hormones or a name brand. If

you could clarify for me I would appreciate it. Also,

can you get the lemon flavored cod oil at any health

food store? Sorry to bombard you with a million

questions. Thanks.

--- Gracia <gberro@...> wrote:

>

> Hi , I would be in a coma with a tsh of 5.96.

> Maybe you could loan

> the doctor a good thyroid book like Shomon's so

> she can get up to

> speed. I think the cod liver oil, which has EPA and

> DHA is better for the

> blues. I have some info on it somewhere here.

> Also vitamin D is getting

> a lot of attention these days as a brain nutrient.

> I like Carlson's Cod

> Liver Oil lemon flavor---it really has no taste.

> Gracia

> > Hi Gracia,

> >

> > Well, my TSH test came back at 5.96 I believe. I

> have

> > been taking flaxseed oil. Do you know which is

> better

> > or do I need the cod oil also? Thanks.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > --- Gracia <gberro@...> wrote:

> > >

> > > Hi , I don't want to sound obnoxious here

> but

> > > this doc doesn't sound

> > > like a topdoc to me. She should not be

> " deciding "

> > > to treat you based on a

> > > very flawed test, if you clearly have hypo

> symptoms.

> > > Depression is a hypo

> > > symptom. I think the very worst docs use T4

> and

> > > antidepressants--better to

> > > use T4/T3 and NO antidepressants. (Cod liver

> oil

> > > helps too). And what

> > > exactly is borderline? What is the magic

> number?

> > > Many have a tsh that is

> > > way too high and yet are told they are normal.

> > > Gracia

> > >

> > > >

> > > > Hello everyone,

> > > >

> > > > I had my first appointment today with an endo

> that

> > > was

> > > > recommended on one of the site's. I was

> diagnosed

> > > > with Hypo by my family doctor and was taking

> .025

> > > of

> > > > Levoxyl for the last 5 weeks and didn't notice

> any

> > > > difference. The endo said my thyroid is

> > > borderline

> > > > hypo and that she will only treat me if this

> next

> > > test

> > > > comes back low. She also said if she does

> decide

> > > to

> > > > treat me, I will be given a much higher dosage

> of

> > > > hormone because at .025mg it would take 6

> months

> > > > before I felt better. She said that I should

> > > start

> > > > taking Celexa for depression. She agreed to

> do a

> > > > tests for Cortisol levels, TSH, Ultrasensitive

> and

> > > > Thyroid Peroxidase Antibodies. I asked about

> T3

> > > and

> > > > T4 and she said that it wasn't necessary. I

> > > should

> > > > find out the results by the end of the week.

> So,

> > > > overall, I guess it went fairly well?

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> __________________________________________________

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I am not sure I am so knowledgeable except that I have been hypo all my life

and suffered greatly and never got treatment because of the tsh test. When

I finally just had to do something or die, I was shocked at the general lack

of knowledge about thyroid. After being on these lists for a few years, I

think the majority of thyroid patients are untreated or undertreated and we

shouldn't put up with this misery anymore. Synthroid is a brand name of

synthetic T4, and they waged a very aggressive marketing campaign to

convince docs that all we need is synthroid. They said synthroid was more

stable and reliable than other drugs (particularly the old fashioned

Armour); well HA turns out not to be true and synthroid isn't FDA approved.

Shomon has more info at www.thyroid.about.com

Gracia

[Guest guest]

Yeah,Gracia!!!!!! Thank you!

I agree and am so glad I am on Armour.

Kim

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[Guest guest]

What is really horrendous is that I have never been " diagnosed " hypo but did

have a partial thyroidectomy for " hyper " which I now believe is another form

of hypo. When I developed hyper symptoms again I treated myself with

Armour and got better for the first time in my life.

Gracia

>

> Yeah,Gracia!!!!!! Thank you!

> I agree and am so glad I am on Armour.

>

> Kim

>

> _________________________________________________________________

> Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks again. I don't know if you noticed but I made

a mistake when I said my result was 5.96. It was

actually 6.96. Is that considered to be " normal "

because if it is I'm considering seeing a doctor that

will treat me for 's. First of all, starting

tomorrow morning, I'm going to check my temps for 3

days like it recommends on the website so I guess I

shouldn't jump the gun yet. I'm just so anxious to

start feeling better because I have been feeling lousy

for several years now. Take care.

--- Gracia <gberro@...> wrote:

> Hi ,

> I am not sure I am so knowledgeable except that I

> have been hypo all my life

> and suffered greatly and never got treatment because

> of the tsh test. When

> I finally just had to do something or die, I was

> shocked at the general lack

> of knowledge about thyroid. After being on these

> lists for a few years, I

> think the majority of thyroid patients are untreated

> or undertreated and we

> shouldn't put up with this misery anymore.

> Synthroid is a brand name of

> synthetic T4, and they waged a very aggressive

> marketing campaign to

> convince docs that all we need is synthroid. They

> said synthroid was more

> stable and reliable than other drugs (particularly

> the old fashioned

> Armour); well HA turns out not to be true and

> synthroid isn't FDA approved.

> Shomon has more info at www.thyroid.about.com

> Gracia

>

>

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

my TSH in the beginning was 10 and I was told that it was high, but not that

high b/c people can have ranges in the hundreds. Don't get me wrong, I am a

strong believer that people don't feel well until they're in the 1-2 range.

----Original Message Follows----

From: " Gracia " <gberro@...>

Reply-hypothyroidism

<hypothyroidism >

Subject: Re: My first endo appointment was today.

Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 14:47:42 -0500

Hi , I would be in a coma with a tsh of 5.96. Maybe you could loan

the doctor a good thyroid book like Shomon's so she can get up to

speed. I think the cod liver oil, which has EPA and DHA is better for the

blues. I have some info on it somewhere here. Also vitamin D is getting

a lot of attention these days as a brain nutrient. I like Carlson's Cod

Liver Oil lemon flavor---it really has no taste.

Gracia

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[Guest guest]

sorry - correction.... people don't feel well until they're in the 1 to 2

range, not 12.

----Original Message Follows----

From: " Pierce " <karlynn17@...>

Reply-hypothyroidism

hypothyroidism

Subject: Re: My first endo appointment was today.

Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 20:44:00 -0500

my TSH in the beginning was 10 and I was told that it was high, but not that

high b/c people can have ranges in the hundreds. Don't get me wrong, I am a

strong believer that people don't feel well until they're in the 1-2 range.

----Original Message Follows----

From: " Gracia " <gberro@...>

Reply-hypothyroidism

<hypothyroidism >

Subject: Re: My first endo appointment was today.

Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 14:47:42 -0500

Hi , I would be in a coma with a tsh of 5.96. Maybe you could loan

the doctor a good thyroid book like Shomon's so she can get up to

speed. I think the cod liver oil, which has EPA and DHA is better for the

blues. I have some info on it somewhere here. Also vitamin D is getting

a lot of attention these days as a brain nutrient. I like Carlson's Cod

Liver Oil lemon flavor---it really has no taste.

Gracia

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