Guest guest Posted June 24, 2002 Report Share Posted June 24, 2002 Hi, One of the reasons I believe I have had so much difficulty getting low thyroid diagnosed and treated is this: Because I have diabetes, every doctor seems to want to blame EVERY symptom I have on the diabetes! Fatigued, then it's the diabetes. Low immunity, same. Weight gain, same. Depression and anxiety, same. It has been extremely hard to get any doctor to consider that any of my problems are caused by anything else other than diabetes. I am going to a new one July 1 and hope she will be willing to investigate more deeply. Anyone else run into this problem? Jim > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2002 Report Share Posted June 25, 2002 That's because it's the SAME disease, just variations on the same theme. Doctors think they are 2 different ones. Stupid. Gracia > > Hi, > > One of the reasons I believe I have had so much > difficulty getting low > thyroid diagnosed and treated is this: > > Because I have diabetes, every doctor seems to want to > blame EVERY > symptom I have on the diabetes! > > Fatigued, then it's the diabetes. Low immunity, same. > Weight gain, same. > Depression and anxiety, same. > > It has been extremely hard to get any doctor to > consider that any of my > problems are caused by anything else other than > diabetes. I am going to > a new one July 1 and hope she will be willing to > investigate more deeply. > > Anyone else run into this problem? > > Jim > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2002 Report Share Posted June 25, 2002 Gracia, I disagree with you that diabetes and hypothyroidism completely different organs. ----Original Message Follows---- From: " Gracia " <circe@...> Reply-hypothyroidism <hypothyroidism > Subject: Re: Diabetes/thyroid II Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 23:17:17 -0400 That's because it's the SAME disease, just variations on the same theme. Doctors think they are 2 different ones. Stupid. Gracia > > Hi, > _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2002 Report Share Posted June 25, 2002 sorry - what I meant to type was: I disagree with you that diabetes and hypothyroidism are the same disease. Yes, they are both endocrine diseases, but completely different organs (pancreas vs. thyroid). ----Original Message Follows---- From: " Pierce " <karlynn17@...> Reply-hypothyroidism hypothyroidism Subject: Re: Diabetes/thyroid II Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 08:22:16 -0400 Gracia, I disagree with you that diabetes and hypothyroidism completely different organs. ----Original Message Follows---- From: " Gracia " <circe@...> Reply-hypothyroidism <hypothyroidism > Subject: Re: Diabetes/thyroid II Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 23:17:17 -0400 That's because it's the SAME disease, just variations on the same theme. Doctors think they are 2 different ones. Stupid. Gracia > > Hi, > _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2002 Report Share Posted June 25, 2002 My hypoglycaemia (independently diagnosed) went away when I started Armour thyroid medicine. Kat At 06:33 AM 6/25/2002, you wrote: >sorry - what I meant to type was: > >I disagree with you that diabetes and hypothyroidism are the same disease. >Yes, they are both endocrine diseases, but completely different organs >(pancreas vs. thyroid). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2002 Report Share Posted June 25, 2002 See attached files - they may help you Re: Diabetes/thyroid II Hi, One of the reasons I believe I have had so much difficulty getting low thyroid diagnosed and treated is this: Because I have diabetes, every doctor seems to want to blame EVERY symptom I have on the diabetes! Fatigued, then it's the diabetes. Low immunity, same. Weight gain, same. Depression and anxiety, same. It has been extremely hard to get any doctor to consider that any of my problems are caused by anything else other than diabetes. I am going to a new one July 1 and hope she will be willing to investigate more deeply. Anyone else run into this problem? Jim > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 26, 2002 Report Share Posted June 26, 2002 I thought that all organs require hormones produced by the thyroid and that the lack of hormones can cause problems in heart, liver, kidneys, pancreas or whatever. Is this not correct? Ron --- Pierce <karlynn17@...> wrote: > sorry - what I meant to type was: > > I disagree with you that diabetes and hypothyroidism > are the same disease. > Yes, they are both endocrine diseases, but > completely different organs > (pancreas vs. thyroid). __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 26, 2002 Report Share Posted June 26, 2002 Ron, No, not all the organs utilize thyroid hormones. The pancreas, for instance, is one that doesn't. Nor do the kidneys. The liver, on the other hand, is one of the organs that does a lot of the conversion of T4 to T3. Celeste Ron wrote: > I thought that all organs require hormones produced by > the thyroid and that the lack of hormones can cause > problems in heart, liver, kidneys, pancreas or > whatever. > Is this not correct? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 26, 2002 Report Share Posted June 26, 2002 " The thyroid gland, located at the base of the Adam's apple in your throat, is important in regulating metabolism. This gland affects every system of the body including the brain, heart, liver, kidney, pancreas, reproduction system, etc. " - http://www.csaceliacs.org/whythyroid.html At 03:14 PM 6/26/2002, you wrote: >Ron, > >No, not all the organs utilize thyroid hormones. The pancreas, for >instance, is one that doesn't. Nor do the kidneys. The liver, on the >other hand, is one of the organs that does a lot of the conversion of >T4 to T3. > >Celeste Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 26, 2002 Report Share Posted June 26, 2002 Katrina, The use of the term " affects " in your reference is different than what I wrote about. The functioning of the thyroid gland ultimately (although not necessarily directly) will affect the entire body, but not all organs are are affected directly by thyroid hormone, nor does every organ utilize thyroid hormone directly. Best wishes, Celeste Katrina wrote: > " The thyroid gland, located at the base of the Adam's apple in your throat, > is important in regulating metabolism. This gland affects every system of > the body including the brain, heart, liver, kidney, pancreas, reproduction > system, etc. " - http://www.csaceliacs.org/whythyroid.html > > > At 03:14 PM 6/26/2002, you wrote: > >Ron, > > > >No, not all the organs utilize thyroid hormones. The pancreas, for > >instance, is one that doesn't. Nor do the kidneys. The liver, on the > >other hand, is one of the organs that does a lot of the conversion of > >T4 to T3. > > > >Celeste Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 26, 2002 Report Share Posted June 26, 2002 Ron: > I thought that all organs require hormones produced by > the thyroid and that the lack of hormones can cause > problems in heart, liver, kidneys, pancreas or > whatever. > Is this not correct? Ron never used the words 'utilise' or 'directly', you did. He just wanted to know if all organs require thyroid hormone to function. I was simply providing a reference to his question. Kat. At 04:08 PM 6/26/2002, you wrote: >Katrina, > >The use of the term " affects " in your reference is different than >what I wrote about. The functioning of the thyroid gland ultimately >(although not necessarily directly) will affect the entire body, but >not all organs are are affected directly by thyroid hormone, nor does >every organ utilize thyroid hormone directly. > >Best wishes, >Celeste > >Katrina wrote: > > " The thyroid gland, located at the base of the Adam's apple in your >throat, > > is important in regulating metabolism. This gland affects every >system of > > the body including the brain, heart, liver, kidney, pancreas, >reproduction > > system, etc. " - http://www.csaceliacs.org/whythyroid.html > > > > > > At 03:14 PM 6/26/2002, you wrote: > > >Ron, > > > > > >No, not all the organs utilize thyroid hormones. The pancreas, for > > >instance, is one that doesn't. Nor do the kidneys. The liver, on >the > > >other hand, is one of the organs that does a lot of the conversion >of > > >T4 to T3. > > > > > >Celeste Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 26, 2002 Report Share Posted June 26, 2002 Ron: > I thought that all organs require hormones produced by > the thyroid and that the lack of hormones can cause > problems in heart, liver, kidneys, pancreas or > whatever. > Is this not correct? Ron never used the words 'utilise' or 'directly', you did. He just wanted to know if all organs require thyroid hormone to function. I was simply providing a reference to his question. Kat. At 04:08 PM 6/26/2002, you wrote: >Katrina, > >The use of the term " affects " in your reference is different than >what I wrote about. The functioning of the thyroid gland ultimately >(although not necessarily directly) will affect the entire body, but >not all organs are are affected directly by thyroid hormone, nor does >every organ utilize thyroid hormone directly. > >Best wishes, >Celeste > >Katrina wrote: > > " The thyroid gland, located at the base of the Adam's apple in your >throat, > > is important in regulating metabolism. This gland affects every >system of > > the body including the brain, heart, liver, kidney, pancreas, >reproduction > > system, etc. " - http://www.csaceliacs.org/whythyroid.html > > > > > > At 03:14 PM 6/26/2002, you wrote: > > >Ron, > > > > > >No, not all the organs utilize thyroid hormones. The pancreas, for > > >instance, is one that doesn't. Nor do the kidneys. The liver, on >the > > >other hand, is one of the organs that does a lot of the conversion >of > > >T4 to T3. > > > > > >Celeste Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 26, 2002 Report Share Posted June 26, 2002 Yes that is absolutely correct. The thyroid stimulates the para-sympathetic nervous system which in turn affects organs other glands like the pancreas and can cause problems with the heart and particularly the liver - which is the last to heal. T3 (energy hormone) converts T4 to T3 in the liver. Check out http://www.thyroidsupportgroup.co.uk Re: Diabetes/thyroid II I thought that all organs require hormones produced by the thyroid and that the lack of hormones can cause problems in heart, liver, kidneys, pancreas or whatever. Is this not correct? Ron --- Pierce <karlynn17@...> wrote: > sorry - what I meant to type was: > > I disagree with you that diabetes and hypothyroidism > are the same disease. > Yes, they are both endocrine diseases, but > completely different organs > (pancreas vs. thyroid). __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 2002 Report Share Posted June 27, 2002 Kat, Then why did you reply to my message instead of Ron's? Celeste Katrina wrote: > Ron never used the words 'utilise' or 'directly', you did. He just wanted > to know if all organs require thyroid hormone to function. I was simply > providing a reference to his question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 2002 Report Share Posted June 27, 2002 Sue, What you've written about the parasympathetic nervous system collaborates the fact that the thyroid does not affect all the organs of the body directly, but does do so indirectly. T3 is not what converts T4 to T3, though. T4 is converted to T3 by a spcific enzyme. Most of the conversion takes place in the liver, but not all. Some of it occurs in muscle cells on an as-needed basis when energy is needed. Celeste sue wrote: > The thyroid stimulates the para-sympathetic > nervous system which in turn affects organs other glands like the pancreas > and can cause problems with the heart and particularly the liver - which is > the last to heal. T3 (energy hormone) converts T4 to T3 in the liver. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 2002 Report Share Posted June 27, 2002 I always understood that every CELL was affected by thyroid hormone, which causes increased cell respiration. Every organ must be affected because my overall health has improved so much. Gracia > Katrina, > > The use of the term " affects " in your reference is different than > what I wrote about. The functioning of the thyroid gland ultimately > (although not necessarily directly) will affect the entire body, but > not all organs are are affected directly by thyroid hormone, nor does > every organ utilize thyroid hormone directly. > > Best wishes, > Celeste > > Katrina wrote: > > " The thyroid gland, located at the base of the Adam's apple in your > throat, > > is important in regulating metabolism. This gland affects every > system of > > the body including the brain, heart, liver, kidney, pancreas, > reproduction > > system, etc. " - http://www.csaceliacs.org/whythyroid.html > > > > > > At 03:14 PM 6/26/2002, you wrote: > > >Ron, > > > > > >No, not all the organs utilize thyroid hormones. The pancreas, for > > >instance, is one that doesn't. Nor do the kidneys. The liver, on > the > > >other hand, is one of the organs that does a lot of the conversion > of > > >T4 to T3. > > > > > >Celeste > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 2002 Report Share Posted June 27, 2002 I know that's what the endos say but they are wrong. Cure diabetes with thyroid medicine, vitamins, and chromium! See www.brodabarnes.org click on symptoms. Gracia > sorry - what I meant to type was: > > I disagree with you that diabetes and hypothyroidism are the same disease. > Yes, they are both endocrine diseases, but completely different organs > (pancreas vs. thyroid). > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: " Pierce " <karlynn17@...> > Reply-hypothyroidism > hypothyroidism > Subject: Re: Diabetes/thyroid II > Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 08:22:16 -0400 > > Gracia, > I disagree with you that diabetes and hypothyroidism completely different > organs. > > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: " Gracia " <circe@...> > Reply-hypothyroidism > <hypothyroidism > > Subject: Re: Diabetes/thyroid II > Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 23:17:17 -0400 > > > That's because it's the SAME disease, just variations on the same theme. > Doctors think they are 2 different ones. Stupid. > Gracia > > > > Hi, > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 2002 Report Share Posted June 27, 2002 Gracia, I went to www.brodabarnes.org but could not find " symptoms " . Ron --- Gracia <circe@...> wrote: > > I know that's what the endos say but they are wrong. > Cure diabetes with > thyroid medicine, vitamins, and chromium! See > www.brodabarnes.org click on > symptoms. > Gracia > > > sorry - what I meant to type was: > > > > I disagree with you that diabetes and > hypothyroidism are the same disease. > > Yes, they are both endocrine diseases, but > completely different organs > > (pancreas vs. thyroid). > > > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > > From: " Pierce " <karlynn17@...> > > Reply-hypothyroidism > > hypothyroidism > > Subject: Re: Diabetes/thyroid II > > Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 08:22:16 -0400 > > > > Gracia, > > I disagree with you that diabetes and > hypothyroidism completely different > > organs. > > > > > > > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > > From: " Gracia " <circe@...> > > Reply-hypothyroidism > > <hypothyroidism > > > Subject: Re: Diabetes/thyroid II > > Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 23:17:17 -0400 > > > > > > That's because it's the SAME disease, just > variations on the same theme. > > Doctors think they are 2 different ones. Stupid. > > Gracia > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print > your photos: > > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: > http://mobile.msn.com > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 2002 Report Share Posted June 27, 2002 No reason. It just happened to be the last message in the thread. Kat. At 06:14 PM 6/26/2002, you wrote: >Kat, > >Then why did you reply to my message instead of Ron's? > >Celeste Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 2002 Report Share Posted June 27, 2002 Gracia, You are entitled to your opinion, of course, but I don't see how you can back up what you're saying here. I have quite a few friends who are diabetic. None of them have a thyroid problem. Celeste Gracia wrote: > > I know that's what the endos say but they are wrong. Cure diabetes with > thyroid medicine, vitamins, and chromium! See www.brodabarnes.org click on > symptoms. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 28, 2002 Report Share Posted June 28, 2002 Gracia, all I'm saying is semantics here. Diabetes and hypothyroidism are NOT the same disease. One may cause the other, but I don't think so. Either way, they have different symptoms and affect completely different organs. ----Original Message Follows---- From: " Gracia " <circe@...> Reply-hypothyroidism <hypothyroidism > Subject: Re: Diabetes/thyroid II Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 23:31:34 -0400 I know that's what the endos say but they are wrong. Cure diabetes with thyroid medicine, vitamins, and chromium! See www.brodabarnes.org click on symptoms. Gracia > sorry - what I meant to type was: > > I disagree with you that diabetes and hypothyroidism are the same disease. > Yes, they are both endocrine diseases, but completely different organs > (pancreas vs. thyroid). > _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 28, 2002 Report Share Posted June 28, 2002 Hi Ron, I just went to the site and it has been revised, wow. There used to be a list of diseases that involved low thyroid; diabetes and MS were among them. The site used to be so much more informative--I guess they want you to send for info packet. Gracia > Gracia, > I went to www.brodabarnes.org but could not find > " symptoms " . > > Ron > > > --- Gracia <circe@...> wrote: > > > > I know that's what the endos say but they are wrong. > > Cure diabetes with > > thyroid medicine, vitamins, and chromium! See > > www.brodabarnes.org click on > > symptoms. > > Gracia > > > > > sorry - what I meant to type was: > > > > > > I disagree with you that diabetes and > > hypothyroidism are the same disease. > > > Yes, they are both endocrine diseases, but > > completely different organs > > > (pancreas vs. thyroid). > > > > > > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > > > From: " Pierce " <karlynn17@...> > > > Reply-hypothyroidism > > > hypothyroidism > > > Subject: Re: Diabetes/thyroid II > > > Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 08:22:16 -0400 > > > > > > Gracia, > > > I disagree with you that diabetes and > > hypothyroidism completely different > > > organs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > > > From: " Gracia " <circe@...> > > > Reply-hypothyroidism > > > <hypothyroidism > > > > Subject: Re: Diabetes/thyroid II > > > Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 23:17:17 -0400 > > > > > > > > > That's because it's the SAME disease, just > > variations on the same theme. > > > Doctors think they are 2 different ones. Stupid. > > > Gracia > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print > > your photos: > > > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: > > http://mobile.msn.com > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 28, 2002 Report Share Posted June 28, 2002 I am saying this based on my own personal experience plus info from Broda site. It's not semantics or an " opinion " . I am not looking at parts but whole systems, and the endocrine system is very pooorly understood. Just watch what happens in the next few years, as patients start to educate and treat themselves. Viva la Revolution. Gracia > Gracia, > all I'm saying is semantics here. Diabetes and hypothyroidism are NOT the > same disease. One may cause the other, but I don't think so. Either way, > they have different symptoms and affect completely different organs. > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: " Gracia " <circe@...> > Reply-hypothyroidism > <hypothyroidism > > Subject: Re: Diabetes/thyroid II > Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 23:31:34 -0400 > > > I know that's what the endos say but they are wrong. Cure diabetes with > thyroid medicine, vitamins, and chromium! See www.brodabarnes.org click on > symptoms. > Gracia > > > sorry - what I meant to type was: > > > > I disagree with you that diabetes and hypothyroidism are the same > disease. > > Yes, they are both endocrine diseases, but completely different organs > > (pancreas vs. thyroid). > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 28, 2002 Report Share Posted June 28, 2002 The only thing that impresses me about Broda is his reputation as for quackery and the questionable " research " organization he founded. I wouldn't trust the information on that web site. Mostly there just seems to be a lot of stuff for sale there. Celeste Gracia wrote: > I am saying this based on my own personal experience plus info from Broda > site. It's not semantics or an " opinion " . I am not looking at parts > but whole systems, and the endocrine system is very pooorly understood. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 28, 2002 Report Share Posted June 28, 2002 Now THAT'S an opinion!! Broda docs really help people, because they understand hormones. I am making an appt. to see one who is 2 hours from me. Celeste, you have a " t4 head " . That's not meant as an insult, it is amusing sometimes. You do remind me of the way diabetics think. Gracia > The only thing that impresses me about Broda is his reputation > as for quackery and the questionable " research " organization he > founded. I wouldn't trust the information on that web site. Mostly > there just seems to be a lot of stuff for sale there. > > Celeste > > Gracia wrote: > > I am saying this based on my own personal experience plus info from > Broda > > site. It's not semantics or an " opinion " . I am not looking > at parts > > but whole systems, and the endocrine system is very pooorly > understood. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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