Doctor, Can You Figure This One Out?

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Dear Earl,

Thank you for this list! I learned much Shomon's site, including

alternatives, and from other places too, that correlates with what you are

saying -- that they thyroid CAN be healed. Therefore I was glad to accidentally

join an elist where a doctor himself was saying this as well as in charge of the

list. Since I have followed most of your protocol by default, I am wondering

what I am leaving out or why I don't get fully better, if that is at all

possible. I tend to believe it is.

Here is what I do:

1-I take B vits especially B6 (200 mg daily), vit e, vit a (in the form of

bilberry herb), calcium citrate (later in the day), manganese, magnesium,

copper, zinc, potassium, iron (later in the day/ or yellow dock any time),

tyrosine, borage oil.

2-I take the following herbs: gugul, yellow dock (new), maca, chickweed, milk

thistle seed, dandelion root, ginseng (only once a day), ginko, grapeseed

extract capsules, sometimes nettles. And I take a some spirulina and a little

cilantro. St s Wort at night & many hours away from the tyrosine (not for

depression but because I read it sometimes calms an overactive immune system),

and MSM in the morning. Artemesia for possible parasites. And antiinflammatory

herbs to calm the attacks. (Generally boswellia or wild indigo.)

3-I take pregnenolone, 7-Keto DHEA, and use ProGest cream.

4-I am a strict lacto-vegetarian, eating very little dairy (only organic at

that), and no meat, fish, poultry or eggs. I won't even take Armour. (Sorry). I

have gone without dairy to see if it made a difference. Nope. I eat brown rice,

mung beans, brown rice crackers, apples, steamed veggies and all wholesome,

natural, and organic foods.

5-I am on Synthoird and Cytomel. That is a long story but at least now I have

the addition of the cytomel.

6-Due to acid reflux, I eat a special, bland, nonacidic diet and it has helped

greatly. I can't eat yogurt or take probiotics, and some of the ingredients in

ImmunoGurard, like grapefruit seed extract, could really tear my stomach up.

Maybe. Unless it is in very small doses, as my reflux condition has improved. My

diet has assited its healing, and I do deep breathing exercises, which might

sound odd but it helped quite a bit! Tho I still have to be careful. Do you

think I can take the ImmunoGuard? If its not too acidy, I might be able to. If

not, what are your recommendations?

7-I have had chronic, intermittent candida for over 24 years! The doctors could

never cure me of it and I suspect that is why I now have hypothyroidism. I have

it (candida) under control, but can't get rid of it. I am sure it is systemic.

Pau D'Arco never did it for me, yogurt/acidopholis never did it, white vinegar

didn't do it, correcting diet helped but did not do it, nothing did it! I now

take biotin and olive oil/oleic acid which helps a bit, but it doesn't really do

it either. I am very frustrted about this. I was diagnosed with it around age

26. I am 48! No doctor could solve it. ..... I am also hypoglycemic a bit. I

don't eat sugar.

8-The past few years I developed allergies and now it has gotten so bad my eyes

are red and horribly inflammed. I am thinking of going to a NAET practitioner

for that, if we can locate one here in the woods. But I have no doubt allergies

and hypot are related, as I have read this. I also have Sinusitis and am taking

golden seal, only recently, for that. Too soon to tell if it is working or not.

(My immune system seems to figure everything out and then attacks it or somehow

stops it from working on a long term basis.)

9-I dont eat wheat or glutten foods, I avoid soy since it can block the tsh

uptake as well as the long list of foods we all know which inhibit thyroid

function in one way or another. Now doctor, I am doing all this, about a year

now, and not getting sufficiently better! Yes, I have improved. Once I started

adding the correct alternatives (and its hard to discover which ones are correct

for this condition), I DID begin to get better, a year ago. I have lost 20 lbs

since last winter, but it came to a hault. And I won't be my appropriate weight

until I loose another 25 or 30 lbs which is like pulling teeth even when I do

loose a pound here or there.

I don't have brain fog, am not cold and have read how your products heleped

patients with those problems. But do they help those with other problems, like

mine? My hair is still dry as a haystack, and the hair growth on my legs is only

in the front. While that seems good at first, I know it means something is

wrong. I have rosacea and allergies, things I never had before. They both

developed after the diagnoses of hypot. I have a VERY hard time loosing weight,

have some joint pain but only in my right hip only. (I am 48, not 68). I have

had reoccurant boils which I treat with herbs, but they always come right back,

almost 3 years now. I suspect this is due to hypot and a weakened immune

system. And I feel a lump in my throat. My thyroid must still be enlarged. I

thought synthroid was suppose to make it shrink, but it seems it has not

sufficiently done so for me. Sometimes it is hard to lie down without a pillow

or I start to choke a little, and mostly on the right side. (How odd!) I always

feel congestion or mucous in my lymph nodes under me ears, etc. even if I eat

very light and take herbs. (I can't totally fast due to reflux.) I am also low

on energy. ........Something is still wrong.

I feel like I have done everything or close to everything you suggest on your

site, maybe a little varried but close. I am hoping you can see something I

can't. Or maybe its not fully working cuz I have to take 50 natural pills a day

and can't always do it. Anyway, will your program work for me doctor? I'm not

asking for guarantees, I just want to know if it will be any better than what I

am all ready doing on my own. And if so, which program would you recommend for

me?

I do have a question about kelp/iodine. I have read how, if one is not iodine

deficient, taking iodine in any form can damage the thyroid and that with all

the iodine in food these days, most are not deficient unless they live in a

thrid world country. I did the patch test where you paint a circle of iodine,

half dollar size, on your thigh or abdomen, and it should not disappear for

close to 24 house. Well, mine was " slightly " pink, (very slight), making me

wonder I " might " be a little allergic to iodine, tho I really ca'nt tell. But it

also did not go away until about a 24 hour period indicating I had enough iodine

in my sytem. So, do I still need thyroidine? I have taken kelp, not taken kep,

nothing changed. I am open to trying Thyrodine if only because of all the

wonderful success stories I have read about it on your site, but I don't know

what my personal needs are. I also don't know which is accurate anymore, whether

we need iodine or whether most get plenty anyway and taking more will just be

too much. ??? I'm lost.

While I am sure others have had it worse then me and longer, as I was only

diagnosed in 97 (tho strongly suspect I was subclinical for 15 years), this is

no picnic and I have blown up like a baloon! When I followed my allopaths

instructions strictly, that is exactly when I gained so much weight. And when I

started to add alternatives, I lost weight! But now am at a stand still. I feel

tired often and when I do work, I have to go lay down every hour or so to rest

up 10-15 miunutes before I can work again. Its not my tsh, thats fine. Doctor,

if you can help me, I will obtain your products in a heart beat. I just need to

have some questions answered first because it seems like I am doing everything

right, and getting insufficient results. I know you are busy, but I hope you

will take the time to answer my questions. Thank you for your time.

Sincerely,

Prtha

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[Guest guest]

Dear Prtha:

With all the symptoms you enumerate, you really need to be under the care of

a comptent naturopath.

If thats not possible for any reason then I would suggest the following:

1-access www.hacres.com

Download their Hallelujah Diet and follow it. Get their newsletter and read

how the folks following this program have eliminated practically every

disease known...by nutrition alone.

I suspect that one needs to get rid of most or all of the " supplements " one

takes and use only barleygreen or perhaps better Vital Nutrition Plus [from

our web site]. I suspect that one also need to be taking raw juices daily,

especially cabbage juice to heal the stomach wall.

2-If one " is on " synthroid + cytomel... No one knows what side effects any 2

or 3 or 4 drugs will wreak upon the body.This may be tricky but one needs to

be drug free. If one does the things above and then the Thyroid Regeneration

protocol, one should then be able to slowly wean off the drugs over 2 to 6

weeks. [sorry, I must use the impersonal " one " as I can't prescribe to

anyone.]

3-acid reflux is caused by..

a-overacidity from animal products, wheat, cooked food and not enough raw

fruit and veges/juices

b-an hiatal hernia [which any chiropractor or naturopathic doctor should

be able to " fix " in 1 to 2 visits.

4-The Candida can be clearewd up in about 2 weeks by the Thyroid

Regeneration protocol. But one would need to restore stomach wall with raw

cabbage and carrot juices first.

5-allergies are probably due to candida.

6-iodine is something we all need in the correct amounts. If we regularly

used kelp [seaweed] on our food we'd have far less thyroid problems. The

atomidine in Thyrodine has never elicited any allergic reactions. It is

essential to restore thyroid function.

I suspect that if one would at least check out the Hallelujah Diet and

follow their suggestions, [i'm not enthused about their Herbal Fiber Blend

nor Udo's Oils but the rest is great]

In conclusion, people need to simplify. people need to be drug free. people

need to follow a good nutritional program. people need a good naturopath to

consult with when things are beyond them.

I hope this helps.

Earl

Doctor, Can You Figure This One Out?

Dear Earl,

Thank you for this list! I learned much Shomon's site, including

alternatives, and from other places too, that correlates with what you are

saying -- that they thyroid CAN be healed. Therefore I was glad to

accidentally join an elist where a doctor himself was saying this as well as

in charge of the list. Since I have followed most of your protocol by

default, I am wondering what I am leaving out or why I don't get fully

better, if that is at all possible. I tend to believe it is.

Here is what I do:

1-I take B vits especially B6 (200 mg daily), vit e, vit a (in the form of

bilberry herb), calcium citrate (later in the day), manganese, magnesium,

copper, zinc, potassium, iron (later in the day/ or yellow dock any time),

tyrosine, borage oil.

2-I take the following herbs: gugul, yellow dock (new), maca, chickweed,

milk thistle seed, dandelion root, ginseng (only once a day), ginko,

grapeseed extract capsules, sometimes nettles. And I take a some spirulina

and a little cilantro. St s Wort at night & many hours away from the

tyrosine (not for depression but because I read it sometimes calms an

overactive immune system), and MSM in the morning. Artemesia for possible

parasites. And antiinflammatory herbs to calm the attacks. (Generally

boswellia or wild indigo.)

3-I take pregnenolone, 7-Keto DHEA, and use ProGest cream.

4-I am a strict lacto-vegetarian, eating very little dairy (only organic at

that), and no meat, fish, poultry or eggs. I won't even take Armour.

(Sorry). I have gone without dairy to see if it made a difference. Nope. I

eat brown rice, mung beans, brown rice crackers, apples, steamed veggies and

all wholesome, natural, and organic foods.

5-I am on Synthoird and Cytomel. That is a long story but at least now I

have the addition of the cytomel.

6-Due to acid reflux, I eat a special, bland, nonacidic diet and it has

helped greatly. I can't eat yogurt or take probiotics, and some of the

ingredients in ImmunoGurard, like grapefruit seed extract, could really tear

my stomach up. Maybe. Unless it is in very small doses, as my reflux

condition has improved. My diet has assited its healing, and I do deep

breathing exercises, which might sound odd but it helped quite a bit! Tho I

still have to be careful. Do you think I can take the ImmunoGuard? If its

not too acidy, I might be able to. If not, what are your recommendations?

7-I have had chronic, intermittent candida for over 24 years! The doctors

could never cure me of it and I suspect that is why I now have

hypothyroidism. I have it (candida) under control, but can't get rid of it.

I am sure it is systemic. Pau D'Arco never did it for me, yogurt/acidopholis

never did it, white vinegar didn't do it, correcting diet helped but did not

do it, nothing did it! I now take biotin and olive oil/oleic acid which

helps a bit, but it doesn't really do it either. I am very frustrted about

this. I was diagnosed with it around age 26. I am 48! No doctor could solve

it. ..... I am also hypoglycemic a bit. I don't eat sugar.

8-The past few years I developed allergies and now it has gotten so bad my

eyes are red and horribly inflammed. I am thinking of going to a NAET

practitioner for that, if we can locate one here in the woods. But I have no

doubt allergies and hypot are related, as I have read this. I also have

Sinusitis and am taking golden seal, only recently, for that. Too soon to

tell if it is working or not. (My immune system seems to figure everything

out and then attacks it or somehow stops it from working on a long term

basis.)

9-I dont eat wheat or glutten foods, I avoid soy since it can block the tsh

uptake as well as the long list of foods we all know which inhibit thyroid

function in one way or another. Now doctor, I am doing all this, about a

year now, and not getting sufficiently better! Yes, I have improved. Once I

started adding the correct alternatives (and its hard to discover which ones

are correct for this condition), I DID begin to get better, a year ago. I

have lost 20 lbs since last winter, but it came to a hault. And I won't be

my appropriate weight until I loose another 25 or 30 lbs which is like

pulling teeth even when I do loose a pound here or there.

I don't have brain fog, am not cold and have read how your products heleped

patients with those problems. But do they help those with other problems,

like mine? My hair is still dry as a haystack, and the hair growth on my

legs is only in the front. While that seems good at first, I know it means

something is wrong. I have rosacea and allergies, things I never had before.

They both developed after the diagnoses of hypot. I have a VERY hard time

loosing weight, have some joint pain but only in my right hip only. (I am

48, not 68). I have had reoccurant boils which I treat with herbs, but they

always come right back, almost 3 years now. I suspect this is due to hypot

and a weakened immune system. And I feel a lump in my throat. My thyroid

must still be enlarged. I thought synthroid was suppose to make it shrink,

but it seems it has not sufficiently done so for me. Sometimes it is hard to

lie down without a pillow or I start to choke a little, and mostly on the

right side. (How odd!) I always feel congestion or mucous in my lymph nodes

under me ears, etc. even if I eat very light and take herbs. (I can't

totally fast due to reflux.) I am also low on energy. ........Something is

still wrong.

I feel like I have done everything or close to everything you suggest on

your site, maybe a little varried but close. I am hoping you can see

something I can't. Or maybe its not fully working cuz I have to take 50

natural pills a day and can't always do it. Anyway, will your program work

for me doctor? I'm not asking for guarantees, I just want to know if it will

be any better than what I am all ready doing on my own. And if so, which

program would you recommend for me?

I do have a question about kelp/iodine. I have read how, if one is not

iodine deficient, taking iodine in any form can damage the thyroid and that

with all the iodine in food these days, most are not deficient unless they

live in a thrid world country. I did the patch test where you paint a circle

of iodine, half dollar size, on your thigh or abdomen, and it should not

disappear for close to 24 house. Well, mine was " slightly " pink, (very

slight), making me wonder I " might " be a little allergic to iodine, tho I

really ca'nt tell. But it also did not go away until about a 24 hour period

indicating I had enough iodine in my sytem. So, do I still need thyroidine?

I have taken kelp, not taken kep, nothing changed. I am open to trying

Thyrodine if only because of all the wonderful success stories I have read

about it on your site, but I don't know what my personal needs are. I also

don't know which is accurate anymore, whether we need iodine or whether most

get plenty anyway and taking more will just be too much. ??? I'm lost.

While I am sure others have had it worse then me and longer, as I was only

diagnosed in 97 (tho strongly suspect I was subclinical for 15 years), this

is no picnic and I have blown up like a baloon! When I followed my allopaths

instructions strictly, that is exactly when I gained so much weight. And

when I started to add alternatives, I lost weight! But now am at a stand

still. I feel tired often and when I do work, I have to go lay down every

hour or so to rest up 10-15 miunutes before I can work again. Its not my

tsh, thats fine. Doctor, if you can help me, I will obtain your products in

a heart beat. I just need to have some questions answered first because it

seems like I am doing everything right, and getting insufficient results. I

know you are busy, but I hope you will take the time to answer my questions.

Thank you for your time.

Sincerely,

Prtha

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