Guest guest Posted August 13, 2008 Report Share Posted August 13, 2008 Is it possible, in washing, to see if there are wheat kernels that have crept in, due to crop rotation and volunteer sprouts? Never having done this, I have no idea of how visible they are, how difficult to separate out. Thanks. H. In a message dated 8/13/08 9:35:06 AM, askye@... writes: I want to share my opinion, what I've learned and some logic in regard to the oat/gluten controversy. If you were to buy Rolled Oats, Oat Flour or Steel Cut Oats you are likely guaranteed to be affected by gluten cross contamination from harvesting & processing, as mentioned in the previous post. However, if you purchase whole oat groats, there are logical ways to eliminate gluten contamination that the oats may have come in contact with during harvesting & processing. **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2008 Report Share Posted August 13, 2008 Hi Azalyne,I thought what you wrote about oats to be very helpful. I may try it sometime, at least for my mom. I don't know if I am sensitive to pure oats or not. I have a feeling though that I am since they used to always make me very sleepy and then wreaked havoc with my nervous system. However I doubt if I ever had really gf oats.Other question, what is this BED? I too struggle with this candida overgrowth and would like a better arsenal to counteract it with if there is one. Thanks!BeaGluten free may work for some, but for others it may not be the complete picture. My children have been on both the SCD & GF diet, but what has healed them most was healing the candida that most of us have an overgrowth of and reestablishing a healthy gut ecology. We did this with the BED and now we can tolerate many foods we previously reacted to. Anyhow, just my .8 cents worth:) Be Well, Azalyne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2008 Report Share Posted August 13, 2008 I would like to hear more about this BED/SCD thing. I was the person who mentioned being very sensitive, though I have never had a reaction to oats, because, quite frankly, I’m too damn scared to try them. I just don’t have three days that I can stop my life while I live on the toilet. I DID just have some sprouted quinoa, millet and buckwheat bread though, and even that hurt my tummy. (No celiac-like reaction, it just hurts). I don’t eat grain of any type as a result of how virtually all grains cause me some amount of pain to digest, so I would love to know more about what you wrote in the second paragraph. FYI, cookies made from rice flour, Anza’s brownies & cinnamon rolls (also made from rice flour) do NOT hurt my tummy. Whole brown rice gives me a tummy ache like you wouldn’t believe. At the last Stanford Celiac Conference one of the presenters mentioned that all celiacs are on some spectrum of grain intolerance. Most cannot tolerate the basics (wheat, barley, rye, etc), but a certain percentage cannot tolerate other grains, some cannot tolerate ANY grain whatsoever. Do you know it there is a way (other than trial & error) to find out where you fit on the spectrum? From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Azalyne SkyeOlson Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 9:34 AM Subject: [ ] Controversy of Oats Greetings, I want to share my opinion, what I've learned and some logic in regard to the oat/gluten controversy. If you were to buy Rolled Oats, Oat Flour or Steel Cut Oats you are likely guaranteed to be affected by gluten cross contamination from harvesting & processing, as mentioned in the previous post. However, if you purchase whole oat groats, there are logical ways to eliminate gluten contamination that the oats may have come in contact with during harvesting & processing. First off, we know that gluten can be airborne and has the ability to adhere itself in a sticky manner to surfaces, other foods, etc... Here's what you do: take whole oat groats and rinse them thoroughly with a fruit & vegetable wash (like the stuff they sell at TJ'S) you will rinse off the gluten, it is no more adhesive then wax or pesticide residue. Once they are rinsed you can cook them in their whole grain form OR if you have a dehydrator you can spread on dehydrator sheets to dry. Once dry you can roll into oats or grind into flour. Granted it takes work on your part, but I'd much rather do this than pay an arm & leg for " NON ORGANIC " Certified Gluten Free Oats. I originally went to buy the certified gluten free oat groats online, but more than the high cost was the fact that they are not organic! I'd much rather do the extra work and pay less. Our family has been GF for 7 years now and several of us are extremely sensitive when gluten contamination occurs-not a single one of us has had any issue with oats when prepared in the ways mentioned above. Plus my 3 boys love helping roll the oats! In regard to the person who mentioned being very sensitive and having had a reaction to even GF oats, you may consider that you are one of the people out there who are sensitive to more than just gliadin gluten. Original published research by Dr. Sidney Valentine Haas, " The Management of Celiac Disease " found that the " gluten in many grains " (not just wheat, rye, barley-not specifically gliadin) was what people where reacting to. This research was Dr. Haas life work and it was well studied, researched, and documented with 670 references. It was a group of 6 doctors with a small test group of 10 children that contradicted this lifelong research with little to no evidence, claiming that it was specifically " gliadin " . Gluten free may work for some, but for others it may not be the complete picture. My children have been on both the SCD & GF diet, but what has healed them most was healing the candida that most of us have an overgrowth of and reestablishing a healthy gut ecology. We did this with the BED and now we can tolerate many foods we previously reacted to. Anyhow, just my .8 cents worth:) Be Well, Azalyne Azalyne Rae SkyeOlson ~*~Natural Birth Resource Specialist/Lactation Consultant, SCD/GF/CF/BED Nutritional Coach, Nourishing Natural Foods Chef & Goddess of Foodgasmic Bliss, Wild Mushroom Identification & Herbalist~*~ http://gaiatreeearthschool.blogspot.com/ " Carefully watch your THOUGHTS, for they become your WORDS. Manage and watch your WORDS, for they will become your ACTIONS. Consider and judge your ACTIONS, for they have become your HABITS. Acknowledge and watch your HABITS, for they shall become your VALUES. Understand and embrace your VALUES, for they become YOUR DESTINY. " —Mahatma Gandhi On Aug 13, 2008, at 4:29 AM, wrote: celiacBayarea Messages In This Digest (8 Messages) 1a. Re: Kinninnick doughnuts From: squirt2476 1b. Re: Kinninnick doughnuts From: Christi OConnell 1c. Re: Kinninnick doughnuts From: Wallace 2a. Clan 's Mini-List From: 3. Re Clan 's lists, CSA's lists, or anybody's lists or GF prod From: j. hogle 4a. Oats question From: Kristy Lund 4b. Re: Oats question From: Lillyth Denaghy Keogh-Quillan 4c. Re: Oats question From: flatcat9aol View All Topics | Create New Topic Messages 1a. Re: Kinninnick doughnuts Posted by: " squirt2476 " kerihourigansbcglobal (DOT) net squirt2476 Tue Aug 12, 2008 10:20 am (PDT) My local Safeway store (Antioch) is also now carrying many Kinnikinnick products, including chocolate doughnuts, bagels, pizza crusts, and some breads. We were so excited to see them. We had been to Harvest House the day before stocking up on things but still bought 3 things from Safeway just to show them that there is a demand for it. Keri > >> From: Colleen McGuire <colleen.mcguire@ gmail.com <mailto:colleen.mcguire%40gmail.com> > >> Subject: [ ] Kinninnick doughnuts >> <mailto: %40> >> Date: Monday, August 11, 2008, 7:56 AM > >> I live in San and was wondering if anyone knows where >> to buy the >> Kinninnick doughnuts (preferably chocolate-dipped) on the >> Peninsula. >> Thanks! >> Colleen > > -- Joe http://sanbeiji. com/ <http://sanbeiji.com/> Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (7) 2a. Clan 's Mini-List Posted by: " " clanthompsonscott clanthompsonscott Tue Aug 12, 2008 10:59 am (PDT) Clan ¢s Mini-List Verified Information on Gluten Content (This article may be copied and distributed freely as long as it is reproduced in its entirety, including this notice. Clan ¢s Mini-List is copyright 2008 Clan LLC) Manufacturers of the following products reported them to be GLUTEN FREE in the USA when we called them in July. The Celiac Drug SmartList contains verified gluten info on approximately 2,677 products. For more info, or to download a FREE DEMO, visit our CeliacSite at www.clanthompson.com Glide Floss Metamucil Psyllium Fiber for Regularity Smooth Texture - Orange Powder Pin X Tiger Bites Children's Multi - Chewable ACT Anti-cavity fluoride rinse (cinnamon flavor) Viactiv Soft Calcium Chews Gerber Tooth and Gum Cleanser (Infant and Toddler) Pepcid AC 10 mg tablets TheraFlu Cough and Cold Hot Liquid Formula Alavert Easy to Swallow Tablets Konsyl Fiber Caplets Alavert Quick Dissolving Tablets - mint PermaGrip Denture Adhesive and mint waxed floss Zolpidem Tartrate from Caraco BuSpar tablets from Bristol Myers Squibb Prevacid capsules from TAP Advair spray inhaler from Glaxo Kline Aralen from Sanofi Hydrocodone w/APAP tablets from Mallinckrdt Clan 's Celiac SmartLists are a series of programs which make it easy to find gluten information on thousands of items. Our SmartLists are the ONLY software that contains VERIFIED information, and a " Comments " field is included to provide even more information. Download a FREE DEMO, at http://www.clanthompson.com/ In addition, you may always subscribe online to our free email Newsletter which includes new Gluten Free food lists, The Cook's Corner, Ask Clan and more. Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (13) 3. Re Clan 's lists, CSA's lists, or anybody's lists or GF prod Posted by: " j. hogle " jjhogle jjhogle Tue Aug 12, 2008 5:45 pm (PDT) I appreciate the work Clan (CT) and other organizations such as the Celiac Sprue Association (CSA) have done in researching, aggregating, and publishing information on gluten-free (GF) products, BUT, as a librarian who is very concerned about quality of information and as someone who is married to someone who has been severely affected by her CD, I feel the need for more information. For example, we had to determine if the Dawn hand dishwashing soap was GF. * Now, the Soaps, Cosmetics, Personal Care Items, etc. " page under the " Free Info Lists " page (http://www.clanthompson.com/res_info_lists.php) at the Clan 's Celiac Site says the following: " Dawn Dishwashing Detergent: Manufactured by Procter & Gamble. Gluten free: Yes. Vegetarian: Yes. Verified: 10/10/07 " * But, we also called Proctor & Gamble (P & G) customer service, and the customer service rep said that while P & G does not specifically incorporate gluten-bearing materials into its products, the company does not have information on whether many of the sourced materials for a lot of P & G's non-food products are GF. * Result: We are going to stop using Dawn for now. * Question: How can CT say that Dawn is " verified " as being GF when Proctor & Gamble is not willing to commit to that? Does CT have another source that has analyzed Dawn and come to that conclusion? If so, CT, please provide the source of your information and do the same for all products you identify as GF. The truth is that, in any GF claim, we all know that we should be looking for attribution to the product manufacturer or very credible, highly reputable not-for-profit, scientific/medical, or government agency, sources who provide clear documentation. My family is doing it because we are finding that we can't be sure that some products that are claimed (by an organization or individual) to be GF are absolutely GF. It is possible that, despite not going out to eat (except PF Chang and Outback), reading CSA and CT and other listings, looking at Web sites and lists such as Celiac Bay Area, and dumping everything identified as having gluten, there must be still traces that have resulted in my wife's IGA not declining as fast as it should be. This has, unfortunately, resulted in four transfusions in since January 2008 because of villi damage-induced anemia. So, please, please, please, everyone, including Clan , CSA, and every other organization and individual providing information on GF products, please provide the exact source of that information. It can only help all of us. Hogle Freelance academic librarian Instructor, online research Email: jjhogle Web: www.blueroom.com Reality ain't what you think it is Art Graphics & Photographs [http://www.blueroom.com/realityaint.htm] ----- Original Message ---- From: <clanthompsonscott > gilbride100gmail Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 10:59:15 AM Subject: [ ] Clan 's Mini-List Clan ¢s Mini-List Verified Information on Gluten Content (This article may be copied and distributed freely as long as it is reproduced in its entirety, including this notice. Clan ¢s Mini-List is copyright 2008 Clan LLC) Manufacturers of the following products reported them to be GLUTEN FREE in the USA when we called them in July. The Celiac Drug SmartList contains verified gluten info on approximately 2,677 products. For more info, or to download a FREE DEMO, visit our CeliacSite at www.clanthompson. com Glide Floss Metamucil Psyllium Fiber for Regularity Smooth Texture - Orange Powder Pin X Tiger Bites Children's Multi - Chewable ACT Anti-cavity fluoride rinse (cinnamon flavor) Viactiv Soft Calcium Chews Gerber Tooth and Gum Cleanser (Infant and Toddler) Pepcid AC 10 mg tablets TheraFlu Cough and Cold Hot Liquid Formula Alavert Easy to Swallow Tablets Konsyl Fiber Caplets Alavert Quick Dissolving Tablets - mint PermaGrip Denture Adhesive and mint waxed floss Zolpidem Tartrate from Caraco BuSpar tablets from Bristol Myers Squibb Prevacid capsules from TAP Advair spray inhaler from Glaxo Kline Aralen from Sanofi Hydrocodone w/APAP tablets from Mallinckrdt Clan 's Celiac SmartLists are a series of programs which make it easy to find gluten information on thousands of items. Our SmartLists are the ONLY software that contains VERIFIED information, and a " Comments " field is included to provide even more information. Download a FREE DEMO, at http://www.clanthom pson.com/ In addition, you may always subscribe online to our free email Newsletter which includes new Gluten Free food lists, The Cook's Corner, Ask Clan and more. Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (1) 4a. Oats question Posted by: " Kristy Lund " kristy.lundgmail kristy_lund Tue Aug 12, 2008 10:50 pm (PDT) Hi all, I'm fairly new to this group, it's been nice reading everyone's posts. My two year old cannot do gluten, but since he's only two, it's hard to know whether or not he has a reaction. My question: What's up with Oats? I know they used to be on the " no " list, and now are OK, or maybe? My husband bought a cereal today, Annie's Cinna Bunnies. Ingredients: corn flour, evap cane juice, whole oat flour, rice flour...and natural flavor. Would that be a no? Thanks! Kristy -- Kristy Lund Freelance Writer, Reiki Practitioner and Mother of two energetic boys Visit my website and blog at www.kristylund.com Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (3) 4b. Re: Oats question Posted by: " Lillyth Denaghy Keogh-Quillan " lillythdenaghykeoghcomcast (DOT) net laurenkelley_55 Tue Aug 12, 2008 11:43 pm (PDT) Virtually ALL of the oats raised in the US are cross-contaminated with wheat, due to current farming practices. There are only two companies you can obtain GF oats from (via internet). SO, unless the Cinna Bunnies say GLUTEN-FREE whole oat flour, then yes, that would be a no. *Side note* 20% of the celiac population cannot tolerate even GF oats, and have a celiac-like reaction to them, so a lot of celiacs, myself included, just don't think it's worth the risk to even try the GF kind. My reaction is so devastating when I get glutened that I don't even want to chance it at all. _____ From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Kristy Lund Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 10:41 PM Subject: [ ] Oats question Hi all, I'm fairly new to this group, it's been nice reading everyone's posts. My two year old cannot do gluten, but since he's only two, it's hard to know whether or not he has a reaction. My question: What's up with Oats? I know they used to be on the " no " list, and now are OK, or maybe? My husband bought a cereal today, Annie's Cinna Bunnies. Ingredients: corn flour, evap cane juice, whole oat flour, rice flour...and natural flavor. Would that be a no? Thanks! Kristy -- Kristy Lund Freelance Writer, Reiki Practitioner and Mother of two energetic boys Visit my website and blog at www.kristylund. <http://www.kristylund.com> com Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (3) 4c. Re: Oats question Posted by: " flatcat9aol " flatcat9aol autonomous2 Wed Aug 13, 2008 12:08 am (PDT) Bob's Red Mill, in supermarkets, produces GF steel-cut oats. In the autumn the line is to incude GF rolled oats. Read the label, make sure you're getting the GF Bob's oats; they also have many versions of non-GF oats. H. In a message dated 8/12/08 11:43:40 PM, lillythdenaghykeoghcomcast (DOT) net writes: > There are only two companies you can obtain GF oats from (via internet). > ************** Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 ) Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (3) RECENT ACTIVITY 5 New Members Visit Your Group Health Achy Joint? Common arthritis myths debunked. Meditation and Lovingkindness A Group to share and learn. Y! Groups blog the best source for the latest scoop on Groups. Need to Reply? 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