Re: progesterone: safest adrenal/pregnancy support I know

[Guest guest]

You are correct to say that these hormones are not right for

everybody.

I avoid progesterone because too much of it causes depression (and

other undesirable symptoms since I have adenomyosis) for me and it is

terribly difficult to get rid of.

I have taken pregnenolone and it did absolutely nothing for me (and I

am older than 45).

DHEA can cause liver problems (been there) if it is not used properly.

You can only take it continuously for 30 days (less if you have had

liver problems in the past). And you have to stay off of it for at

least 7 days (more if you have had liver problems in the past) before

you can resume taking it again. KETO-7 is somewhat less toxic, but

caution is still advised.

Best wishes,

Celeste

Some anonymous person wrote:

>

> The article title is Three Youth-Associated Hormones and the three

> are progesterone, pregnenolone and DHEA.

>

> Read carefully, just because they are in the title doesn't mean they

> are right for everyone...and he carefully points out who might have

> benefit from their use.

>

[Guest guest]

Celeste, I have taken DHEA 5 mg for several years now and take progesterone

100 mg 2X a day for a few years. I wouldn't want to be without either.

Womens International Pharmacy www.womensinternational.com recommends the

above for women over 45. These hormones do work with T3. The only side

effect I have heard about with progesterone is euphoria, not a bad thing for

us thyroid patients.

Gracia

> You are correct to say that these hormones are not right for

> everybody.

>

> I avoid progesterone because too much of it causes depression (and

> other undesirable symptoms since I have adenomyosis) for me and it is

> terribly difficult to get rid of.

>

> I have taken pregnenolone and it did absolutely nothing for me (and I

> am older than 45).

>

> DHEA can cause liver problems (been there) if it is not used properly.

> You can only take it continuously for 30 days (less if you have had

> liver problems in the past). And you have to stay off of it for at

> least 7 days (more if you have had liver problems in the past) before

> you can resume taking it again. KETO-7 is somewhat less toxic, but

> caution is still advised.

>

> Best wishes,

> Celeste

>

>

> Some anonymous person wrote:

> >

> > The article title is Three Youth-Associated Hormones and the three

> > are progesterone, pregnenolone and DHEA.

> >

> > Read carefully, just because they are in the title doesn't mean they

> > are right for everyone...and he carefully points out who might have

> > benefit from their use.

> >

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Gracia,

Irregardless, progesterone and adenomyosis don't mix. I have learned

this lesson the very hard way. I also developed elevated liver enzyme

readings from taking DHEA for too long a time without a break.

I must reiterate . . . progesterone is not good for every woman (no

matter what her age) and DHEA must not be used continuously . . . by

anyone. When was the last time you had a liver function test?

Celeste

Gracia wrote:

>

> Celeste, I have taken DHEA 5 mg for several years now and take

progesterone

> 100 mg 2X a day for a few years. I wouldn't want to be without

either.

> Womens International Pharmacy www.womensinternational.com

recommends the

> above for women over 45. These hormones do work with T3. The only

side

> effect I have heard about with progesterone is euphoria, not a bad

thing for

> us thyroid patients.

> Gracia

>

> > You are correct to say that these hormones are not right for

> > everybody.

> >

> > I avoid progesterone because too much of it causes depression (and

> > other undesirable symptoms since I have adenomyosis) for me and it

is

> > terribly difficult to get rid of.

> >

> > I have taken pregnenolone and it did absolutely nothing for me

(and I

> > am older than 45).

> >

> > DHEA can cause liver problems (been there) if it is not used

properly.

> > You can only take it continuously for 30 days (less if you have

had

> > liver problems in the past). And you have to stay off of it for at

> > least 7 days (more if you have had liver problems in the past)

before

> > you can resume taking it again. KETO-7 is somewhat less toxic, but

> > caution is still advised.

> >

> > Best wishes,

> > Celeste

> >

> >

> > Some anonymous person wrote:

> > >

> > > The article title is Three Youth-Associated Hormones and the

three

> > > are progesterone, pregnenolone and DHEA.

> > >

> > > Read carefully, just because they are in the title doesn't mean

they

> > > are right for everyone...and he carefully points out who might

have

> > > benefit from their use.

> > >

[Guest guest]

Well that is interesting but also very confusing, since a healthy body pumps

out high amounts of these hormones. I don't feel well without them. I get

most hormone info from MD newsletter and go to the women's

clinic started by Christianne Northrup MD. I am impressd by the broda

barnes docs understanding of hormone systems and how they work together.

Right now I have no insurance but if I ever have it again I'll be sure to

get tests. I am sure that T3 works with other sex hormones; that's why I

think it is sooooooo important to use Armour and progesterone for

infertility, rather than clomid and synthroid. Also a lot cheaper.

Gracia

> Gracia,

>

> Irregardless, progesterone and adenomyosis don't mix. I have learned

> this lesson the very hard way. I also developed elevated liver enzyme

> readings from taking DHEA for too long a time without a break.

>

> I must reiterate . . . progesterone is not good for every woman (no

> matter what her age) and DHEA must not be used continuously . . . by

> anyone. When was the last time you had a liver function test?

>

> Celeste

>

> Gracia wrote:

> >

> > Celeste, I have taken DHEA 5 mg for several years now and take

> progesterone

> > 100 mg 2X a day for a few years. I wouldn't want to be without

> either.

> > Womens International Pharmacy www.womensinternational.com

> recommends the

> > above for women over 45. These hormones do work with T3. The only

> side

> > effect I have heard about with progesterone is euphoria, not a bad

> thing for

> > us thyroid patients.

> > Gracia

> >

> > > You are correct to say that these hormones are not right for

> > > everybody.

> > >

> > > I avoid progesterone because too much of it causes depression (and

> > > other undesirable symptoms since I have adenomyosis) for me and it

> is

> > > terribly difficult to get rid of.

> > >

> > > I have taken pregnenolone and it did absolutely nothing for me

> (and I

> > > am older than 45).

> > >

> > > DHEA can cause liver problems (been there) if it is not used

> properly.

> > > You can only take it continuously for 30 days (less if you have

> had

> > > liver problems in the past). And you have to stay off of it for at

> > > least 7 days (more if you have had liver problems in the past)

> before

> > > you can resume taking it again. KETO-7 is somewhat less toxic, but

> > > caution is still advised.

> > >

> > > Best wishes,

> > > Celeste

> > >

> > >

> > > Some anonymous person wrote:

> > > >

> > > > The article title is Three Youth-Associated Hormones and the

> three

> > > > are progesterone, pregnenolone and DHEA.

> > > >

> > > > Read carefully, just because they are in the title doesn't mean

> they

> > > > are right for everyone...and he carefully points out who might

> have

> > > > benefit from their use.

> > > >

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Celeste,

Where you taking natural progesterone...cream, sublinguinal tablet,

dissolved in Vitamin E oil, or capsule?

Some people confuse real progesterone with the synthetic progestins

and progestogens. What was the name of the progesterone you used?

What was the dose?

Where you taking any other supplements that were synthetic estrogens

or acted like estrogens? Soy? There are a few herbs that behave

like estrogens...countering the positives of natural progesterone

made by the body or ingested.

Sometimes people take so many things that the reactions they have are

blamed on innocent supplements/replacements.

What were the adverse symptoms that you had using " progesterone " with

your adenomyosis?

Were you taking the DHEA at the same time? What dose?

As the newsletter points out it is not good to use more than is

indicated. Had your doctor prescribed it?

Clarity helps us all.

Thanks

> Gracia,

>

> Regardless, progesterone and adenomyosis don't mix. I have learned

this lesson the very hard way. I also developed elevated liver enzyme

readings from taking DHEA for too long a time without a break.

>

snip>

> Celeste

>

[Guest guest]

I've also heard that a side effect of progesterone is increased sexual desire. Not a bad side effect either!

Tammy

Re: Re: progesterone: safest adrenal/pregnancy support I know

Celeste, I have taken DHEA 5 mg for several years now and take progesterone100 mg 2X a day for a few years. I wouldn't want to be without either.Womens International Pharmacy www.womensinternational.com recommends theabove for women over 45. These hormones do work with T3. The only sideeffect I have heard about with progesterone is euphoria, not a bad thing forus thyroid patients.Gracia> You are correct to say that these hormones are not right for> everybody.>> I avoid progesterone because too much of it causes depression (and> other undesirable symptoms since I have adenomyosis) for me and it is> terribly difficult to get rid of.>> I have taken pregnenolone and it did absolutely nothing for me (and I> am older than 45).>> DHEA can cause liver problems (been there) if it is not used properly.> You can only take it continuously for 30 days (less if you have had> liver problems in the past). And you have to stay off of it for at> least 7 days (more if you have had liver problems in the past) before> you can resume taking it again. KETO-7 is somewhat less toxic, but> caution is still advised.>> Best wishes,> Celeste>>> Some anonymous person wrote:> >> > The article title is Three Youth-Associated Hormones and the three> > are progesterone, pregnenolone and DHEA.> >> > Read carefully, just because they are in the title doesn't mean they> > are right for everyone...and he carefully points out who might have> > benefit from their use.> >>>>>>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 03/13/2002 6:03:20 PM Pacific Standard Time, gberro@... writes:

and take progesterone

100 mg 2X a day for a few years. I wouldn't want to be without either.

Gracia,

Is the progesterone a prescription item?

in LA

"We are each responsible for our own life--no other person is or even *can* be." Oprah Winfrey

[Guest guest]

Gracia,

I don't see why it would be confusing. If your body is already pumping

out high amounts of these hormones (or perhaps higher than normal)

then adding more of these hormones is definitely going to cause

problems. It's not good for every woman to take progesterone. And I

think it's better to stimulate your body produce its own.

Celeste

Gracia wrote:

>

> Well that is interesting but also very confusing, since a healthy

body pumps

> out high amounts of these hormones. I don't feel well without them.

I get

> most hormone info from MD newsletter and go to the

women's

> clinic started by Christianne Northrup MD. I am impressd by the

broda

> barnes docs understanding of hormone systems and how they work

together.

> Right now I have no insurance but if I ever have it again I'll be

sure to

> get tests. I am sure that T3 works with other sex hormones; that's

why I

> think it is sooooooo important to use Armour and progesterone for

> infertility, rather than clomid and synthroid. Also a lot cheaper.

> Gracia

[Guest guest]

Initially, when I was first diagnosed hypothyroid I was taking Armour

(which was not a good medication at the time). In order to get me

menstruating again the doctor would give me an injection of

progesterone in oil (NOT Depo Provera) once a month. That was good

until my cycle was reestablished. Then he was careful to discontinue

the injections so that my progesterone level wouldn't get too high.

Having adenomyosis can be like having an extra uterus and too much

hormone will promote growth of the adenomyosis. Then you get

uncontrolled bleeding. This happened to me some years later when I had

to switch doctors. It seemed that none of them could get it right.

DHEA was not on the market then. Finally I found a good

endocrinologist and a good gynecologist. The usual treatment for

adenomyosis is hysterectomy. Not only have I NOT had a hysterectomy,

but I have a very normal menstrual cycle with no PMS. And I'm 48 years

old.

Celeste

Some anonymous person wrote:

> Celeste,

>

> Where you taking natural progesterone...cream, sublinguinal tablet,

> dissolved in Vitamin E oil, or capsule?

>

> Some people confuse real progesterone with the synthetic progestins

> and progestogens. What was the name of the progesterone you used?

> What was the dose?

>

> Where you taking any other supplements that were synthetic estrogens

> or acted like estrogens? Soy? There are a few herbs that behave

> like estrogens...countering the positives of natural progesterone

> made by the body or ingested.

>

> Sometimes people take so many things that the reactions they have

are

> blamed on innocent supplements/replacements.

>

> What were the adverse symptoms that you had using " progesterone "

with

> your adenomyosis?

>

> Were you taking the DHEA at the same time? What dose?

>

> As the newsletter points out it is not good to use more than is

> indicated. Had your doctor prescribed it?

>

> Clarity helps us all.

>

[Guest guest]

Tammy,

Too much progesterone can result in lack of libido. The hormone which

is most responsible for sexual desire in women is testosterone (which

I don't recommend supplementing).

Celeste

Tammy Fuller wrote:

> I've also heard that a side effect of progesterone is increased

sexual desire. Not a bad side effect either!

[Guest guest]

Yes I get it from womens international pharmacy www.womensinternational.com Also I take 2.5 mg triest cream 2X a day. I needed these hormones along with Armour to feel well.In a message dated 03/13/2002 6:03:20 PM Pacific Standard Time, gberro@... writes:

and take progesterone100 mg 2X a day for a few years. I wouldn't want to be without either.Gracia,Is the progesterone a prescription item? in LA"We are each responsible for our own life--no other person is or even *can* be." Oprah Winfrey

[Guest guest]

LOL MY body certainly isn't pumping out hormones but younger women are. I

absolutely positively needed progesterone, it lowered my blood pressure and

I could function again. T3 works with other hormones and I was deficient

in T3 since childhood. My whole hormone system was wrecked. I can't use

less or no hormones--I am nonfunctional.

> Gracia,

>

> I don't see why it would be confusing. If your body is already pumping

> out high amounts of these hormones (or perhaps higher than normal)

> then adding more of these hormones is definitely going to cause

> problems. It's not good for every woman to take progesterone. And I

> think it's better to stimulate your body produce its own.

>

> Celeste

>

> Gracia wrote:

> >

> > Well that is interesting but also very confusing, since a healthy

> body pumps

> > out high amounts of these hormones. I don't feel well without them.

> I get

> > most hormone info from MD newsletter and go to the

> women's

> > clinic started by Christianne Northrup MD. I am impressd by the

> broda

> > barnes docs understanding of hormone systems and how they work

> together.

> > Right now I have no insurance but if I ever have it again I'll be

> sure to

> > get tests. I am sure that T3 works with other sex hormones; that's

> why I

> > think it is sooooooo important to use Armour and progesterone for

> > infertility, rather than clomid and synthroid. Also a lot cheaper.

> > Gracia

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Gracia,

All I'm saying is that it's not true for every woman, and not even for

every hypothyroid woman. Each of us must consider what's good for our

own bodies. There is no " one size fits all " when it comes to

treatment.

Celeste

Gracia wrote:

>

> LOL MY body certainly isn't pumping out hormones but younger women

are. I

> absolutely positively needed progesterone, it lowered my blood

pressure and

> I could function again. T3 works with other hormones and I was

deficient

> in T3 since childhood. My whole hormone system was wrecked. I

can't use

> less or no hormones--I am nonfunctional.

>

[Guest guest]

I've also heard that a side effect of progesterone is increased sexual desire. Not a bad side effect either!

Tammy

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