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A.J.

Again,

Welcome! I wholeheartedly concur with Cam

but would like to add that I feel a couple of other modalities may make you

more comfortable and relieve pain more long term than chiropractics.

Those are things like Yoga and Pilates, as well as Rolfing or structural

integration. Structural integration (Rolfing) helps to stretch and lengthen

tightened ligaments/muscles/fascia that have tightened due to your scoliosis. Yoga

and Pilates lengthen and strengthen your muscles, developing your critical core

muscles. With or without a future of additional surgery, it is in your

best interest to get in your best physical shape ever.

Keep

us posted as you travel on your journey.

From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of cammaltby

Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2008

3:05 AM

Subject: [ ] Re:

Hello.... I'm AJ

Hi AJ,

Welcome to the group. I am sorry you are experiencing problems with

your back right now. Many folks find that as time goes on the discs

below their fusion take a lot more of the " load " and it is not too

uncommon for people to develop degenerative disc disease at a fairly

young age. Others, unfortunately, end up with full blown flatback

fairly quickly after their surgery due to poor surgical technique or

positioning during that surgery. No one here is a doctor so you

should take all that with a grain of salt!

Still, before I went the chiropracter route I would strongly

recommend you get yourself into the very best spine doctor you can

who has experience and specializes in adult scolisosis, deformity

and/or aging spine. The Scoliosis Research Society, based here in the

US,

has a physician locator on their site (www.srs.org) to assist

folks in locating surgeons who have a particular interest in our

kinds of problems. In order to join this society at least 20% of

their practice is supposed to be devoted to scoliosis. Many of the

doctors also have specialized even further. I pulled down the current

listings for Singapore

and got these 4 listings:

Pesi B. Chacha, MD

Mount Medical Centre

65 68363585

Chacha Ortho, Spine & Hand Surgery PTE L

3 Mount

#03-01/02

Singapore

228510

Singapore

Adolescent, Adult Scoliosis, Aging Spine, Degenerative Conditions,

Juvenile/Infantile

Jimmy S. Daruwalla, MD

Daruwalla Orthopaedic, Spine & Hand Surgery

65 68369290

3 Mt

#03-01

Mount Medical

Center

Singapore

228510

Singapore

Adolescent, Adult Scoliosis, Aging Spine, Degenerative Conditions,

Juvenile/Infantile

Chong-Tien Tan, MD

Island Spine and Scoliosis

65-6737-5683

#06-03 Mt. Medical Centre

3 Mt.

Singapore

228510

Singapore

Adolescent, Adult Scoliosis, Aging Spine, Degenerative Conditions,

Juvenile/Infantile

Hee-Kit Wong, MD

Department of Orthopaedic Surgery

65 67795555 / 4342

National University Hospital

Lower Kent Ridge Rd

Singapore

119074

Singapore

Adolescent, Adult Scoliosis, Aging Spine, Degenerative Conditions

I am in no way recommending any one of them, just trying to point you

to a good starting place for further research.

For most of us who have developed flatback, chiropractic care would

not be anything more than paliative treatment. Flatback is a

structural problem. The chance that a chiropracter could make things

worse for you exists as your spine does not have the mobility of an

an ufused spine does. Honestly, I have read that chiropracters claim

they can cure scoliosis, but my personal opinion (and others!)is that

is " bunk " . I haven't read or seen any research that indicates that it

can do much more than keep a young patient comfortable while the

spine is growing. How much curve will exist once growth is complete

is a a mystery to most doctors...so a chiro claiming that they have

stopped the progression is kind of like someone claiming they saved a

tree from a lightning strike...maybe the curve would have progressed

to a serious/surgical state...and maybe it wouldn't have. I do think

the massage they give you will feel nice if your back is

hurting...but you might do just as well with a good masseuse or

physical therapist.

Thats just my opinion as a patient. If you do decide to go ahead and

see a chiro I would bring your most recent set of xrays with you so

they can be examined and remind the chiro what will move in your

spine...and what will not.

Sorry for the long post!

Take Care, Cam

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Debbie,

I

am only fused T4 – L2 so, perhaps, have much more flexibility than you do.

Nevertheless, you should be able to do modified yoga and pilates to develop

your core muscles. I cannot do many of the poses and exercises that

others can do (in fact as my back worsens, I can do less and less), but the

ones I can do have helped me immensely, and apparently my orthopedic surgeon

agrees as he told me to keep it up. I recently bought the book, Pilates

for Fragile Backs by Andra Stanton as it was mentioned on this forum. I

find many of these exercises are similar to those that I do in my yoga regimen

(without the use of the reformer). I think you could do most of the exercises

in that book. In any case, it has wonderful information. As my back

gets worse (I have not had revision surgery yet), I have had to further modify

certain yoga poses but I feel better when I do them at least 3 or more

times/week. I currently only have mild flatback but my spine from L2 to sacrum

has gone from straight to 45 degrees and my pelvis is tilted. It’s important

for all of us to remember never to do anything that causes us pain, to start

easy, and go gradual. The breathing and centering has been wonderful for me. By

doing these exercises I am only prolonging the inevitable (surgery) but that is

OK by me. I had Harrington Rod surgery at 20 and am now 55. Hoping to last

another 1-2 years!

Good

luck to you and my apologies if I sound evangelistic about this. J We all must find our own

path to health; this has worked best for me because right now, walking hurts.

From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of smithdryden1

Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2008

9:21 AM

Subject: [ ] Re:

Hello.... I'm AJ

Hello ,

I am new to this group and am wondering if you would elaborate on

your experiences with pilates and yoga. I am fused the entire spine

with the exception of the lower 4 vertebrae and have flat back

syndrome that is progressing.

Thanks,

Debbie

-- In ,

" "

<ctracy@...> wrote:

>

> A.J.

>

> Again, Welcome! I wholeheartedly concur with Cam

but

would like

> to add that I feel a couple of other modalities may make you more

> comfortable and relieve pain more long term than chiropractics.

Those are

> things like Yoga and Pilates, as well as Rolfing or structural

integration.

> Structural integration (Rolfing) helps to stretch and lengthen

tightened

> ligaments/muscles/fascia that have tightened due to your scoliosis.

Yoga and

> Pilates lengthen and strengthen your muscles, developing your

critical core

> muscles. With or without a future of additional surgery, it is in

your best

> interest to get in your best physical shape ever.

>

> Keep us posted as you travel on your journey.

>

>

>

>

>

> _____

>

> From:

> [mailto: ]

On Behalf Of cammaltby

> Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2008 3:05 AM

>

> Subject: [ ] Re: Hello.... I'm AJ

>

>

>

> Hi AJ,

>

> Welcome to the group. I am sorry you are experiencing problems with

> your back right now. Many folks find that as time goes on the discs

> below their fusion take a lot more of the " load " and it is not

too

> uncommon for people to develop degenerative disc disease at a

fairly

> young age. Others, unfortunately, end up with full blown flatback

> fairly quickly after their surgery due to poor surgical technique

or

> positioning during that surgery. No one here is a doctor so you

> should take all that with a grain of salt!

>

> Still, before I went the chiropracter route I would strongly

> recommend you get yourself into the very best spine doctor you can

> who has experience and specializes in adult scolisosis, deformity

> and/or aging spine. The Scoliosis Research Society, based here in

the

> US, has a physician locator on their site (www.srs.org) to assist

> folks in locating surgeons who have a particular interest in our

> kinds of problems. In order to join this society at least 20% of

> their practice is supposed to be devoted to scoliosis. Many of the

> doctors also have specialized even further. I pulled down the

current

> listings for Singapore

and got these 4 listings:

>

> Pesi B. Chacha, MD

> Mount Medical Centre

> 65 68363585

> Chacha Ortho, Spine & Hand Surgery PTE L

> 3 Mount

#03-01/02

> Singapore

228510

> Singapore

> Adolescent, Adult Scoliosis, Aging Spine, Degenerative Conditions,

> Juvenile/Infantile

>

> Jimmy S. Daruwalla, MD

> Daruwalla Orthopaedic, Spine & Hand Surgery

> 65 68369290

> 3 Mt

#03-01

> Mount Medical

Center

> Singapore

228510

> Singapore

> Adolescent, Adult Scoliosis, Aging Spine, Degenerative Conditions,

> Juvenile/Infantile

>

> Chong-Tien Tan, MD

> Island Spine and Scoliosis

> 65-6737-5683

> #06-03 Mt. Medical Centre

> 3 Mt.

> Singapore

228510

> Singapore

> Adolescent, Adult Scoliosis, Aging Spine, Degenerative Conditions,

> Juvenile/Infantile

>

> Hee-Kit Wong, MD

> Department of Orthopaedic Surgery

> 65 67795555 / 4342

> National University Hospital

> Lower Kent Ridge Rd

> Singapore

119074

> Singapore

> Adolescent, Adult Scoliosis, Aging Spine, Degenerative Conditions

>

> I am in no way recommending any one of them, just trying to point

you

> to a good starting place for further research.

>

> For most of us who have developed flatback, chiropractic care would

> not be anything more than paliative treatment. Flatback is a

> structural problem. The chance that a chiropracter could make

things

> worse for you exists as your spine does not have the mobility of an

> an ufused spine does. Honestly, I have read that chiropracters

claim

> they can cure scoliosis, but my personal opinion (and others!)is

that

> is " bunk " . I haven't read or seen any research that indicates

that

it

> can do much more than keep a young patient comfortable while the

> spine is growing. How much curve will exist once growth is complete

> is a a mystery to most doctors...so a chiro claiming that they have

> stopped the progression is kind of like someone claiming they saved

a

> tree from a lightning strike...maybe the curve would have

progressed

> to a serious/surgical state...and maybe it wouldn't have. I do

think

> the massage they give you will feel nice if your back is

> hurting...but you might do just as well with a good masseuse or

> physical therapist.

>

> Thats just my opinion as a patient. If you do decide to go ahead

and

> see a chiro I would bring your most recent set of xrays with you so

> they can be examined and remind the chiro what will move in your

> spine...and what will not.

>

> Sorry for the long post!

>

> Take Care, Cam

>

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Hi ,

Thanks for the information. I actually went to physical therapy for 2+ years

and made great progress, but am always looking for more. Anything to avoid the

next surgery! I had the Harrington Rod put in when I was 13, I am now 54. We

are monitoring the progression of the flat back yearly, I was told last year

that if it continues, we will need to do the revision. Since I have so much

fusion, the revision would limit my mobility greatly, so, I will avoid doing it

if possible. The good news is since I have done PT, I am not in nearly as much

pain. Before, it was excruciating, now doable. I highly recommend a good PT to

anyone in our situation.

I will check into the Pilates. Thanks for the information!!

Debbie

Debbie,

I am only fused T4 - L2 so, perhaps, have much more flexibility than

you do. Nevertheless, you should be able to do modified yoga and Pilates to

develop your core muscles. I cannot do many of the poses and exercises that

others can do (in fact as my back worsens, I can do less and less), but the ones

I can do have helped me immensely, and apparently my orthopedic surgeon agrees

as he told me to keep it up. I recently bought the book, Pilates for Fragile

Backs by Andra Stanton as it was mentioned on this forum. I find many of these

exercises are similar to those that I do in my yoga regimen (without the use of

the reformer). I think you could do most of the exercises in that book. In any

case, it has wonderful information. As my back gets worse (I have not had

revision surgery yet), I have had to further modify certain yoga poses but I

feel better when I do them at least 3 or more times/week. I currently only have

mild flatback but my spine from L2 to sacrum has gone from straight to 45

degrees and my pelvis is tilted. It's important for all of us to remember never

to do anything that causes us pain, to start easy, and go gradual. The breathing

and centering has been wonderful for me. By doing these exercises I am only

prolonging the inevitable (surgery) but that is OK by me. I had Harrington Rod

surgery at 20 and am now 55. Hoping to last another 1-2 years!

Good luck to you and my apologies if I sound evangelistic about this.

:-) We all must find our own path to health; this has worked best for me because

right now, walking hurts.

________________________________

From: [mailto: ]

On Behalf Of smithdryden1

Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2008 9:21 AM

Subject: [ ] Re: Hello.... I'm AJ

Hello ,

I am new to this group and am wondering if you would elaborate on

your experiences with pilates and yoga. I am fused the entire spine

with the exception of the lower 4 vertebrae and have flat back

syndrome that is progressing.

Thanks,

Debbie

-- In

<mailto: %40> , " "

<ctracy@...> wrote:

>

> A.J.

>

> Again, Welcome! I wholeheartedly concur with Cam but

would like

> to add that I feel a couple of other modalities may make you more

> comfortable and relieve pain more long term than chiropractics.

Those are

> things like Yoga and Pilates, as well as Rolfing or structural

integration.

> Structural integration (Rolfing) helps to stretch and lengthen

tightened

> ligaments/muscles/fascia that have tightened due to your scoliosis.

Yoga and

> Pilates lengthen and strengthen your muscles, developing your

critical core

> muscles. With or without a future of additional surgery, it is in

your best

> interest to get in your best physical shape ever.

>

> Keep us posted as you travel on your journey.

>

>

>

>

>

> _____

>

> From:

<mailto: %40>

> [mailto:

<mailto: %40> ] On Behalf Of cammaltby

> Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2008 3:05 AM

>

<mailto: %40>

> Subject: [ ] Re: Hello.... I'm AJ

>

>

>

> Hi AJ,

>

> Welcome to the group. I am sorry you are experiencing problems with

> your back right now. Many folks find that as time goes on the discs

> below their fusion take a lot more of the " load " and it is not too

> uncommon for people to develop degenerative disc disease at a

fairly

> young age. Others, unfortunately, end up with full blown flatback

> fairly quickly after their surgery due to poor surgical technique

or

> positioning during that surgery. No one here is a doctor so you

> should take all that with a grain of salt!

>

> Still, before I went the chiropracter route I would strongly

> recommend you get yourself into the very best spine doctor you can

> who has experience and specializes in adult scolisosis, deformity

> and/or aging spine. The Scoliosis Research Society, based here in

the

> US, has a physician locator on their site (www.srs.org) to assist

> folks in locating surgeons who have a particular interest in our

> kinds of problems. In order to join this society at least 20% of

> their practice is supposed to be devoted to scoliosis. Many of the

> doctors also have specialized even further. I pulled down the

current

> listings for Singapore and got these 4 listings:

>

> Pesi B. Chacha, MD

> Mount Medical Centre

> 65 68363585

> Chacha Ortho, Spine & Hand Surgery PTE L

> 3 Mount #03-01/02

> Singapore 228510

> Singapore

> Adolescent, Adult Scoliosis, Aging Spine, Degenerative Conditions,

> Juvenile/Infantile

>

> Jimmy S. Daruwalla, MD

> Daruwalla Orthopaedic, Spine & Hand Surgery

> 65 68369290

> 3 Mt #03-01

> Mount Medical Center

> Singapore 228510

> Singapore

> Adolescent, Adult Scoliosis, Aging Spine, Degenerative Conditions,

> Juvenile/Infantile

>

> Chong-Tien Tan, MD

> Island Spine and Scoliosis

> 65-6737-5683

> #06-03 Mt. Medical Centre

> 3 Mt.

> Singapore 228510

> Singapore

> Adolescent, Adult Scoliosis, Aging Spine, Degenerative Conditions,

> Juvenile/Infantile

>

> Hee-Kit Wong, MD

> Department of Orthopaedic Surgery

> 65 67795555 / 4342

> National University Hospital

> Lower Kent Ridge Rd

> Singapore 119074

> Singapore

> Adolescent, Adult Scoliosis, Aging Spine, Degenerative Conditions

>

> I am in no way recommending any one of them, just trying to point

you

> to a good starting place for further research.

>

> For most of us who have developed flatback, chiropractic care would

> not be anything more than paliative treatment. Flatback is a

> structural problem. The chance that a chiropracter could make

things

> worse for you exists as your spine does not have the mobility of an

> an ufused spine does. Honestly, I have read that chiropracters

claim

> they can cure scoliosis, but my personal opinion (and others!)is

that

> is " bunk " . I haven't read or seen any research that indicates that

it

> can do much more than keep a young patient comfortable while the

> spine is growing. How much curve will exist once growth is complete

> is a a mystery to most doctors...so a chiro claiming that they have

> stopped the progression is kind of like someone claiming they saved

a

> tree from a lightning strike...maybe the curve would have

progressed

> to a serious/surgical state...and maybe it wouldn't have. I do

think

> the massage they give you will feel nice if your back is

> hurting...but you might do just as well with a good masseuse or

> physical therapist.

>

> Thats just my opinion as a patient. If you do decide to go ahead

and

> see a chiro I would bring your most recent set of xrays with you so

> they can be examined and remind the chiro what will move in your

> spine...and what will not.

>

> Sorry for the long post!

>

> Take Care, Cam

>

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Debbie,

Believe it or not, I went over 30 years without seeing an orthopedic

surgeon. I guess it was dumb luck that led me to my own form of PT - yoga

and pilates. I live in a rural area- far away from a qualified PT. Would

love to know what exercises your PT has you doing. ??

[ ] Re: Hello.... I'm AJ

>

>

>

> Hi AJ,

>

> Welcome to the group. I am sorry you are experiencing problems with

> your back right now. Many folks find that as time goes on the discs

> below their fusion take a lot more of the " load " and it is not too

> uncommon for people to develop degenerative disc disease at a

fairly

> young age. Others, unfortunately, end up with full blown flatback

> fairly quickly after their surgery due to poor surgical technique

or

> positioning during that surgery. No one here is a doctor so you

> should take all that with a grain of salt!

>

> Still, before I went the chiropracter route I would strongly

> recommend you get yourself into the very best spine doctor you can

> who has experience and specializes in adult scolisosis, deformity

> and/or aging spine. The Scoliosis Research Society, based here in

the

> US, has a physician locator on their site (www.srs.org) to assist

> folks in locating surgeons who have a particular interest in our

> kinds of problems. In order to join this society at least 20% of

> their practice is supposed to be devoted to scoliosis. Many of the

> doctors also have specialized even further. I pulled down the

current

> listings for Singapore and got these 4 listings:

>

> Pesi B. Chacha, MD

> Mount Medical Centre

> 65 68363585

> Chacha Ortho, Spine & Hand Surgery PTE L

> 3 Mount #03-01/02

> Singapore 228510

> Singapore

> Adolescent, Adult Scoliosis, Aging Spine, Degenerative Conditions,

> Juvenile/Infantile

>

> Jimmy S. Daruwalla, MD

> Daruwalla Orthopaedic, Spine & Hand Surgery

> 65 68369290

> 3 Mt #03-01

> Mount Medical Center

> Singapore 228510

> Singapore

> Adolescent, Adult Scoliosis, Aging Spine, Degenerative Conditions,

> Juvenile/Infantile

>

> Chong-Tien Tan, MD

> Island Spine and Scoliosis

> 65-6737-5683

> #06-03 Mt. Medical Centre

> 3 Mt.

> Singapore 228510

> Singapore

> Adolescent, Adult Scoliosis, Aging Spine, Degenerative Conditions,

> Juvenile/Infantile

>

> Hee-Kit Wong, MD

> Department of Orthopaedic Surgery

> 65 67795555 / 4342

> National University Hospital

> Lower Kent Ridge Rd

> Singapore 119074

> Singapore

> Adolescent, Adult Scoliosis, Aging Spine, Degenerative Conditions

>

> I am in no way recommending any one of them, just trying to point

you

> to a good starting place for further research.

>

> For most of us who have developed flatback, chiropractic care would

> not be anything more than paliative treatment. Flatback is a

> structural problem. The chance that a chiropracter could make

things

> worse for you exists as your spine does not have the mobility of an

> an ufused spine does. Honestly, I have read that chiropracters

claim

> they can cure scoliosis, but my personal opinion (and others!)is

that

> is " bunk " . I haven't read or seen any research that indicates that

it

> can do much more than keep a young patient comfortable while the

> spine is growing. How much curve will exist once growth is complete

> is a a mystery to most doctors...so a chiro claiming that they have

> stopped the progression is kind of like someone claiming they saved

a

> tree from a lightning strike...maybe the curve would have

progressed

> to a serious/surgical state...and maybe it wouldn't have. I do

think

> the massage they give you will feel nice if your back is

> hurting...but you might do just as well with a good masseuse or

> physical therapist.

>

> Thats just my opinion as a patient. If you do decide to go ahead

and

> see a chiro I would bring your most recent set of xrays with you so

> they can be examined and remind the chiro what will move in your

> spine...and what will not.

>

> Sorry for the long post!

>

> Take Care, Cam

>

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I walk on a treadmill 30 min, do 15-20 min on an elliptical (my best exercise).

I have also done arm pulls, exercise bicycle and laying on my side do a range of

motion with my hips. This one exercise (hip) is the most beneficial as my one

hip causes the most pain. When I started PT, I was in so much pain, I could

not even walk 5 min on the treadmill at a snail's pace. I cannot say enough

good things about PT, manage the pain and get stronger! It works!

Debbie

Debbie,

Believe it or not, I went over 30 years without seeing an orthopedic

surgeon. I guess it was dumb luck that led me to my own form of PT - yoga

and palates. I live in a rural area- far away from a qualified PT. Would

love to know what exercises your PT has you doing. ??

[ ] Re: Hello.... I'm AJ

>

>

>

> Hi AJ,

>

> Welcome to the group. I am sorry you are experiencing problems with

> your back right now. Many folks find that as time goes on the discs

> below their fusion take a lot more of the " load " and it is not too

> uncommon for people to develop degenerative disc disease at a

fairly

> young age. Others, unfortunately, end up with full blown flatback

> fairly quickly after their surgery due to poor surgical technique

or

> positioning during that surgery. No one here is a doctor so you

> should take all that with a grain of salt!

>

> Still, before I went the chiropracter route I would strongly

> recommend you get yourself into the very best spine doctor you can

> who has experience and specializes in adult scolisosis, deformity

> and/or aging spine. The Scoliosis Research Society, based here in

the

> US, has a physician locator on their site (www.srs.org) to assist

> folks in locating surgeons who have a particular interest in our

> kinds of problems. In order to join this society at least 20% of

> their practice is supposed to be devoted to scoliosis. Many of the

> doctors also have specialized even further. I pulled down the

current

> listings for Singapore and got these 4 listings:

>

> Pesi B. Chacha, MD

> Mount Medical Centre

> 65 68363585

> Chacha Ortho, Spine & Hand Surgery PTE L

> 3 Mount #03-01/02

> Singapore 228510

> Singapore

> Adolescent, Adult Scoliosis, Aging Spine, Degenerative Conditions,

> Juvenile/Infantile

>

> Jimmy S. Daruwalla, MD

> Daruwalla Orthopaedic, Spine & Hand Surgery

> 65 68369290

> 3 Mt #03-01

> Mount Medical Center

> Singapore 228510

> Singapore

> Adolescent, Adult Scoliosis, Aging Spine, Degenerative Conditions,

> Juvenile/Infantile

>

> Chong-Tien Tan, MD

> Island Spine and Scoliosis

> 65-6737-5683

> #06-03 Mt. Medical Centre

> 3 Mt.

> Singapore 228510

> Singapore

> Adolescent, Adult Scoliosis, Aging Spine, Degenerative Conditions,

> Juvenile/Infantile

>

> Hee-Kit Wong, MD

> Department of Orthopaedic Surgery

> 65 67795555 / 4342

> National University Hospital

> Lower Kent Ridge Rd

> Singapore 119074

> Singapore

> Adolescent, Adult Scoliosis, Aging Spine, Degenerative Conditions

>

> I am in no way recommending any one of them, just trying to point

you

> to a good starting place for further research.

>

> For most of us who have developed flatback, chiropractic care would

> not be anything more than paliative treatment. Flatback is a

> structural problem. The chance that a chiropracter could make

things

> worse for you exists as your spine does not have the mobility of an

> an ufused spine does. Honestly, I have read that chiropracters

claim

> they can cure scoliosis, but my personal opinion (and others!)is

that

> is " bunk " . I haven't read or seen any research that indicates that

it

> can do much more than keep a young patient comfortable while the

> spine is growing. How much curve will exist once growth is complete

> is a a mystery to most doctors...so a chiro claiming that they have

> stopped the progression is kind of like someone claiming they saved

a

> tree from a lightning strike...maybe the curve would have

progressed

> to a serious/surgical state...and maybe it wouldn't have. I do

think

> the massage they give you will feel nice if your back is

> hurting...but you might do just as well with a good masseuse or

> physical therapist.

>

> Thats just my opinion as a patient. If you do decide to go ahead

and

> see a chiro I would bring your most recent set of xrays with you so

> they can be examined and remind the chiro what will move in your

> spine...and what will not.

>

> Sorry for the long post!

>

> Take Care, Cam

>

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Do you do this every day or every other day or ????? Walking on the

treadmill hurts me but I can do the elliptical for 45 minutes at a time

(even if it is boring). I am very irregular with the elliptical though

(Shame on me!). What frequency do they recommend?

[ ] Re: Hello.... I'm AJ

>

>

>

> Hi AJ,

>

> Welcome to the group. I am sorry you are experiencing problems with

> your back right now. Many folks find that as time goes on the discs

> below their fusion take a lot more of the " load " and it is not too

> uncommon for people to develop degenerative disc disease at a

fairly

> young age. Others, unfortunately, end up with full blown flatback

> fairly quickly after their surgery due to poor surgical technique

or

> positioning during that surgery. No one here is a doctor so you

> should take all that with a grain of salt!

>

> Still, before I went the chiropracter route I would strongly

> recommend you get yourself into the very best spine doctor you can

> who has experience and specializes in adult scolisosis, deformity

> and/or aging spine. The Scoliosis Research Society, based here in

the

> US, has a physician locator on their site (www.srs.org) to assist

> folks in locating surgeons who have a particular interest in our

> kinds of problems. In order to join this society at least 20% of

> their practice is supposed to be devoted to scoliosis. Many of the

> doctors also have specialized even further. I pulled down the

current

> listings for Singapore and got these 4 listings:

>

> Pesi B. Chacha, MD

> Mount Medical Centre

> 65 68363585

> Chacha Ortho, Spine & Hand Surgery PTE L

> 3 Mount #03-01/02

> Singapore 228510

> Singapore

> Adolescent, Adult Scoliosis, Aging Spine, Degenerative Conditions,

> Juvenile/Infantile

>

> Jimmy S. Daruwalla, MD

> Daruwalla Orthopaedic, Spine & Hand Surgery

> 65 68369290

> 3 Mt #03-01

> Mount Medical Center

> Singapore 228510

> Singapore

> Adolescent, Adult Scoliosis, Aging Spine, Degenerative Conditions,

> Juvenile/Infantile

>

> Chong-Tien Tan, MD

> Island Spine and Scoliosis

> 65-6737-5683

> #06-03 Mt. Medical Centre

> 3 Mt.

> Singapore 228510

> Singapore

> Adolescent, Adult Scoliosis, Aging Spine, Degenerative Conditions,

> Juvenile/Infantile

>

> Hee-Kit Wong, MD

> Department of Orthopaedic Surgery

> 65 67795555 / 4342

> National University Hospital

> Lower Kent Ridge Rd

> Singapore 119074

> Singapore

> Adolescent, Adult Scoliosis, Aging Spine, Degenerative Conditions

>

> I am in no way recommending any one of them, just trying to point

you

> to a good starting place for further research.

>

> For most of us who have developed flatback, chiropractic care would

> not be anything more than paliative treatment. Flatback is a

> structural problem. The chance that a chiropracter could make

things

> worse for you exists as your spine does not have the mobility of an

> an ufused spine does. Honestly, I have read that chiropracters

claim

> they can cure scoliosis, but my personal opinion (and others!)is

that

> is " bunk " . I haven't read or seen any research that indicates that

it

> can do much more than keep a young patient comfortable while the

> spine is growing. How much curve will exist once growth is complete

> is a a mystery to most doctors...so a chiro claiming that they have

> stopped the progression is kind of like someone claiming they saved

a

> tree from a lightning strike...maybe the curve would have

progressed

> to a serious/surgical state...and maybe it wouldn't have. I do

think

> the massage they give you will feel nice if your back is

> hurting...but you might do just as well with a good masseuse or

> physical therapist.

>

> Thats just my opinion as a patient. If you do decide to go ahead

and

> see a chiro I would bring your most recent set of xrays with you so

> they can be examined and remind the chiro what will move in your

> spine...and what will not.

>

> Sorry for the long post!

>

> Take Care, Cam

>

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Good question! I was doing it 4 times per week, working out for about 90

minutes each time. That sounds like a lot, but it was slow going. My treadmill

has the rails on it, and I really rely on those for support and to take pressure

off my back while walking. It is kind of like the shopping cart in the store!

Anyway, I broke a small bone in my foot in May, and had to stop all the

exercise, then I took care of my Mom who broke her hip and kept reinjuring my

foot doing so. She passed away 3 months ago, and I am just now starting the

exercise again. My foot has hurt constantly, but I am told it is about well.

Too much stress on it, moving my Mom, probably too much on my back also. I bend

more than 8 inches forward and almost 2 to one side, but really not hurting

much, not like I was before the PT. I also own my own company, although I

worked very little the past 6 months (thank goodness for a great assistant).

Anyway, I realize the sitting at the desk is not a good thing for my back. I

was actually in less pain taking care of my Mom than sitting all day. Who would

have thought!

Debra

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Sent: Wed 1/30/2008 9:30 PM

Subject: RE: [ ] Re: Hello.... I'm AJ

Do you do this every day or every other day or ????? Walking on the

treadmill hurts me but I can do the elliptical for 45 minutes at a time

(even if it is boring). I am very irregular with the elliptical though

(Shame on me!). What frequency do they recommend?

[ ] Re: Hello.... I'm AJ

>

>

>

> Hi AJ,

>

> Welcome to the group. I am sorry you are experiencing problems with

> your back right now. Many folks find that as time goes on the discs

> below their fusion take a lot more of the " load " and it is not too

> uncommon for people to develop degenerative disc disease at a

fairly

> young age. Others, unfortunately, end up with full blown flatback

> fairly quickly after their surgery due to poor surgical technique

or

> positioning during that surgery. No one here is a doctor so you

> should take all that with a grain of salt!

>

> Still, before I went the chiropracter route I would strongly

> recommend you get yourself into the very best spine doctor you can

> who has experience and specializes in adult scolisosis, deformity

> and/or aging spine. The Scoliosis Research Society, based here in

the

> US, has a physician locator on their site (www.srs.org) to assist

> folks in locating surgeons who have a particular interest in our

> kinds of problems. In order to join this society at least 20% of

> their practice is supposed to be devoted to scoliosis. Many of the

> doctors also have specialized even further. I pulled down the

current

> listings for Singapore and got these 4 listings:

>

> Pesi B. Chacha, MD

> Mount Medical Centre

> 65 68363585

> Chacha Ortho, Spine & Hand Surgery PTE L

> 3 Mount #03-01/02

> Singapore 228510

> Singapore

> Adolescent, Adult Scoliosis, Aging Spine, Degenerative Conditions,

> Juvenile/Infantile

>

> Jimmy S. Daruwalla, MD

> Daruwalla Orthopaedic, Spine & Hand Surgery

> 65 68369290

> 3 Mt #03-01

> Mount Medical Center

> Singapore 228510

> Singapore

> Adolescent, Adult Scoliosis, Aging Spine, Degenerative Conditions,

> Juvenile/Infantile

>

> Chong-Tien Tan, MD

> Island Spine and Scoliosis

> 65-6737-5683

> #06-03 Mt. Medical Centre

> 3 Mt.

> Singapore 228510

> Singapore

> Adolescent, Adult Scoliosis, Aging Spine, Degenerative Conditions,

> Juvenile/Infantile

>

> Hee-Kit Wong, MD

> Department of Orthopaedic Surgery

> 65 67795555 / 4342

> National University Hospital

> Lower Kent Ridge Rd

> Singapore 119074

> Singapore

> Adolescent, Adult Scoliosis, Aging Spine, Degenerative Conditions

>

> I am in no way recommending any one of them, just trying to point

you

> to a good starting place for further research.

>

> For most of us who have developed flatback, chiropractic care would

> not be anything more than paliative treatment. Flatback is a

> structural problem. The chance that a chiropracter could make

things

> worse for you exists as your spine does not have the mobility of an

> an ufused spine does. Honestly, I have read that chiropracters

claim

> they can cure scoliosis, but my personal opinion (and others!)is

that

> is " bunk " . I haven't read or seen any research that indicates that

it

> can do much more than keep a young patient comfortable while the

> spine is growing. How much curve will exist once growth is complete

> is a a mystery to most doctors...so a chiro claiming that they have

> stopped the progression is kind of like someone claiming they saved

a

> tree from a lightning strike...maybe the curve would have

progressed

> to a serious/surgical state...and maybe it wouldn't have. I do

think

> the massage they give you will feel nice if your back is

> hurting...but you might do just as well with a good masseuse or

> physical therapist.

>

> Thats just my opinion as a patient. If you do decide to go ahead

and

> see a chiro I would bring your most recent set of xrays with you so

> they can be examined and remind the chiro what will move in your

> spine...and what will not.

>

> Sorry for the long post!

>

> Take Care, Cam

>

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Wow! I'm impressed with how much you can do given your progression.

Question: Do you have children and if so, did you notice your back got

markedly worse after you had them? I think that is what started my downhill

trend as I had no problems before then.

[ ] Re: Hello.... I'm AJ

>

>

>

> Hi AJ,

>

> Welcome to the group. I am sorry you are experiencing problems with

> your back right now. Many folks find that as time goes on the discs

> below their fusion take a lot more of the " load " and it is not too

> uncommon for people to develop degenerative disc disease at a

fairly

> young age. Others, unfortunately, end up with full blown flatback

> fairly quickly after their surgery due to poor surgical technique

or

> positioning during that surgery. No one here is a doctor so you

> should take all that with a grain of salt!

>

> Still, before I went the chiropracter route I would strongly

> recommend you get yourself into the very best spine doctor you can

> who has experience and specializes in adult scolisosis, deformity

> and/or aging spine. The Scoliosis Research Society, based here in

the

> US, has a physician locator on their site (www.srs.org) to assist

> folks in locating surgeons who have a particular interest in our

> kinds of problems. In order to join this society at least 20% of

> their practice is supposed to be devoted to scoliosis. Many of the

> doctors also have specialized even further. I pulled down the

current

> listings for Singapore and got these 4 listings:

>

> Pesi B. Chacha, MD

> Mount Medical Centre

> 65 68363585

> Chacha Ortho, Spine & Hand Surgery PTE L

> 3 Mount #03-01/02

> Singapore 228510

> Singapore

> Adolescent, Adult Scoliosis, Aging Spine, Degenerative Conditions,

> Juvenile/Infantile

>

> Jimmy S. Daruwalla, MD

> Daruwalla Orthopaedic, Spine & Hand Surgery

> 65 68369290

> 3 Mt #03-01

> Mount Medical Center

> Singapore 228510

> Singapore

> Adolescent, Adult Scoliosis, Aging Spine, Degenerative Conditions,

> Juvenile/Infantile

>

> Chong-Tien Tan, MD

> Island Spine and Scoliosis

> 65-6737-5683

> #06-03 Mt. Medical Centre

> 3 Mt.

> Singapore 228510

> Singapore

> Adolescent, Adult Scoliosis, Aging Spine, Degenerative Conditions,

> Juvenile/Infantile

>

> Hee-Kit Wong, MD

> Department of Orthopaedic Surgery

> 65 67795555 / 4342

> National University Hospital

> Lower Kent Ridge Rd

> Singapore 119074

> Singapore

> Adolescent, Adult Scoliosis, Aging Spine, Degenerative Conditions

>

> I am in no way recommending any one of them, just trying to point

you

> to a good starting place for further research.

>

> For most of us who have developed flatback, chiropractic care would

> not be anything more than paliative treatment. Flatback is a

> structural problem. The chance that a chiropracter could make

things

> worse for you exists as your spine does not have the mobility of an

> an ufused spine does. Honestly, I have read that chiropracters

claim

> they can cure scoliosis, but my personal opinion (and others!)is

that

> is " bunk " . I haven't read or seen any research that indicates that

it

> can do much more than keep a young patient comfortable while the

> spine is growing. How much curve will exist once growth is complete

> is a a mystery to most doctors...so a chiro claiming that they have

> stopped the progression is kind of like someone claiming they saved

a

> tree from a lightning strike...maybe the curve would have

progressed

> to a serious/surgical state...and maybe it wouldn't have. I do

think

> the massage they give you will feel nice if your back is

> hurting...but you might do just as well with a good masseuse or

> physical therapist.

>

> Thats just my opinion as a patient. If you do decide to go ahead

and

> see a chiro I would bring your most recent set of xrays with you so

> they can be examined and remind the chiro what will move in your

> spine...and what will not.

>

> Sorry for the long post!

>

> Take Care, Cam

>

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I do have two grown sons, I never had any concerns until my early 30's when I

did a home craft business. I was bending forward several long hours per day and

this was the start of the pain. It has progressed greatly in the last 5 years.

________________________________

From: on behalf of

Sent: Wed 1/30/2008 10:02 PM

Subject: RE: [ ] Re: Hello.... I'm AJ

Wow! I'm impressed with how much you can do given your progression.

Question: Do you have children and if so, did you notice your back got

markedly worse after you had them? I think that is what started my downhill

trend as I had no problems before then.

[ ] Re: Hello.... I'm AJ

>

>

>

> Hi AJ,

>

> Welcome to the group. I am sorry you are experiencing problems with

> your back right now. Many folks find that as time goes on the discs

> below their fusion take a lot more of the " load " and it is not too

> uncommon for people to develop degenerative disc disease at a

fairly

> young age. Others, unfortunately, end up with full blown flatback

> fairly quickly after their surgery due to poor surgical technique

or

> positioning during that surgery. No one here is a doctor so you

> should take all that with a grain of salt!

>

> Still, before I went the chiropracter route I would strongly

> recommend you get yourself into the very best spine doctor you can

> who has experience and specializes in adult scolisosis, deformity

> and/or aging spine. The Scoliosis Research Society, based here in

the

> US, has a physician locator on their site (www.srs.org) to assist

> folks in locating surgeons who have a particular interest in our

> kinds of problems. In order to join this society at least 20% of

> their practice is supposed to be devoted to scoliosis. Many of the

> doctors also have specialized even further. I pulled down the

current

> listings for Singapore and got these 4 listings:

>

> Pesi B. Chacha, MD

> Mount Medical Centre

> 65 68363585

> Chacha Ortho, Spine & Hand Surgery PTE L

> 3 Mount #03-01/02

> Singapore 228510

> Singapore

> Adolescent, Adult Scoliosis, Aging Spine, Degenerative Conditions,

> Juvenile/Infantile

>

> Jimmy S. Daruwalla, MD

> Daruwalla Orthopaedic, Spine & Hand Surgery

> 65 68369290

> 3 Mt #03-01

> Mount Medical Center

> Singapore 228510

> Singapore

> Adolescent, Adult Scoliosis, Aging Spine, Degenerative Conditions,

> Juvenile/Infantile

>

> Chong-Tien Tan, MD

> Island Spine and Scoliosis

> 65-6737-5683

> #06-03 Mt. Medical Centre

> 3 Mt.

> Singapore 228510

> Singapore

> Adolescent, Adult Scoliosis, Aging Spine, Degenerative Conditions,

> Juvenile/Infantile

>

> Hee-Kit Wong, MD

> Department of Orthopaedic Surgery

> 65 67795555 / 4342

> National University Hospital

> Lower Kent Ridge Rd

> Singapore 119074

> Singapore

> Adolescent, Adult Scoliosis, Aging Spine, Degenerative Conditions

>

> I am in no way recommending any one of them, just trying to point

you

> to a good starting place for further research.

>

> For most of us who have developed flatback, chiropractic care would

> not be anything more than paliative treatment. Flatback is a

> structural problem. The chance that a chiropracter could make

things

> worse for you exists as your spine does not have the mobility of an

> an ufused spine does. Honestly, I have read that chiropracters

claim

> they can cure scoliosis, but my personal opinion (and others!)is

that

> is " bunk " . I haven't read or seen any research that indicates that

it

> can do much more than keep a young patient comfortable while the

> spine is growing. How much curve will exist once growth is complete

> is a a mystery to most doctors...so a chiro claiming that they have

> stopped the progression is kind of like someone claiming they saved

a

> tree from a lightning strike...maybe the curve would have

progressed

> to a serious/surgical state...and maybe it wouldn't have. I do

think

> the massage they give you will feel nice if your back is

> hurting...but you might do just as well with a good masseuse or

> physical therapist.

>

> Thats just my opinion as a patient. If you do decide to go ahead

and

> see a chiro I would bring your most recent set of xrays with you so

> they can be examined and remind the chiro what will move in your

> spine...and what will not.

>

> Sorry for the long post!

>

> Take Care, Cam

>

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I don't want to sound stupid, but what is the "elliptical". Can you tell I don't do much exercising. I use a foot pedal sitting down for my legs and do arm exercising. Can't manage anything else right now.

Pat E.

[ ] Re: Hello.... I'm AJ> > > > Hi AJ,> > Welcome to the group. I am sorry you are experiencing problems with > your back right now. Many folks find that as time goes on the discs > below their fusion take a lot more of the "load" and it is not too > uncommon for people to develop degenerative disc disease at a fairly > young age. Others, unfortunately, end up with full blown flatback > fairly quickly after their surgery due to poor surgical technique or > positioning during that surgery. No one here is a doctor so you > should take all that with a grain of salt!> > Still, before I went the chiropracter route I would strongly > recommend you get yourself into the very best spine doctor you can > who has experience and specializes in adult scolisosis, deformity > and/or aging spine. The Scoliosis Research Society, based here in the > US, has a physician locator on their site (www.srs.org) to assist > folks in locating surgeons who have a particular interest in our > kinds of problems. In order to join this society at least 20% of > their practice is supposed to be devoted to scoliosis. Many of the > doctors also have specialized even further. I pulled down the current > listings for Singapore and got these 4 listings:> > Pesi B. Chacha, MD> Mount Medical Centre> 65 68363585> Chacha Ortho, Spine & Hand Surgery PTE L> 3 Mount #03-01/02> Singapore 228510> Singapore> Adolescent, Adult Scoliosis, Aging Spine, Degenerative Conditions, > Juvenile/Infantile> > Jimmy S. Daruwalla, MD> Daruwalla Orthopaedic, Spine & Hand Surgery> 65 68369290> 3 Mt #03-01> Mount Medical Center> Singapore 228510> Singapore> Adolescent, Adult Scoliosis, Aging Spine, Degenerative Conditions, > Juvenile/Infantile> > Chong-Tien Tan, MD> Island Spine and Scoliosis> 65-6737-5683> #06-03 Mt. Medical Centre> 3 Mt. > Singapore 228510> Singapore> Adolescent, Adult Scoliosis, Aging Spine, Degenerative Conditions, > Juvenile/Infantile> > Hee-Kit Wong, MD> Department of Orthopaedic Surgery> 65 67795555 / 4342> National University Hospital> Lower Kent Ridge Rd> Singapore 119074> Singapore> Adolescent, Adult Scoliosis, Aging Spine, Degenerative Conditions> > I am in no way recommending any one of them, just trying to point you > to a good starting place for further research.> > For most of us who have developed flatback, chiropractic care would > not be anything more than paliative treatment. Flatback is a > structural problem. The chance that a chiropracter could make things > worse for you exists as your spine does not have the mobility of an > an ufused spine does. Honestly, I have read that chiropracters claim > they can cure scoliosis, but my personal opinion (and others!)is that > is "bunk". I haven't read or seen any research that indicates that it > can do much more than keep a young patient comfortable while the > spine is growing. How much curve will exist once growth is complete > is a a mystery to most doctors...so a chiro claiming that they have > stopped the progression is kind of like someone claiming they saved a > tree from a lightning strike...maybe the curve would have progressed > to a serious/surgical state...and maybe it wouldn't have. I do think > the massage they give you will feel nice if your back is > hurting...but you might do just as well with a good masseuse or > physical therapist.> > Thats just my opinion as a patient. If you do decide to go ahead and > see a chiro I would bring your most recent set of xrays with you so > they can be examined and remind the chiro what will move in your > spine...and what will not.> > Sorry for the long post!> > Take Care, Cam>

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Pat – You don’t sound stupid;

I sure hope my explanation isn’t. I think of the elliptical as a combo

stair stepper/bicycle. You stand on separate pedals and walk your legs in

an elliptical manner as opposed to up and down or in circles. Your feet stay on

the pedals the entire time. Some have handlebars that move back and forth like

you are cross country skiing. Others have stationary handlebars. The

first time I tried it I was only able to do 2 minutes. I have worked myself up

to 45-50 minutes but if I take a long hiatus, I start back slowly.

I

like it because it doesn’t hurt my back or legs but it is quite a work

out! -

From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of PatEly@...

Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008

2:10 PM

Subject: Re: [ ]

Re: Hello.... I'm AJ

I don't want to sound stupid, but what is the

" elliptical " . Can you tell I don't do much

exercising. I use a foot pedal sitting down for my legs and do arm

exercising. Can't manage anything else right now.

Pat E.

[ ] Re: Hello.... I'm AJ

>

>

>

> Hi AJ,

>

> Welcome to the group. I am sorry you are experiencing problems with

> your back right now. Many folks find that as time goes on the discs

> below their fusion take a lot more of the " load " and it is not

too

> uncommon for people to develop degenerative disc disease at a

fairly

> young age. Others, unfortunately, end up with full blown flatback

> fairly quickly after their surgery due to poor surgical technique

or

> positioning during that surgery. No one here is a doctor so you

> should take all that with a grain of salt!

>

> Still, before I went the chiropracter route I would strongly

> recommend you get yourself into the very best spine doctor you can

> who has experience and specializes in adult scolisosis, deformity

> and/or aging spine. The Scoliosis Research Society, based here in

the

> US, has a physician locator on their site (www.srs.org) to assist

> folks in locating surgeons who have a particular interest in our

> kinds of problems. In order to join this society at least 20% of

> their practice is supposed to be devoted to scoliosis. Many of the

> doctors also have specialized even further. I pulled down the

current

> listings for Singapore

and got these 4 listings:

>

> Pesi B. Chacha, MD

> Mount Medical Centre

> 65 68363585

> Chacha Ortho, Spine & Hand Surgery PTE L

> 3 Mount

#03-01/02

> Singapore

228510

> Singapore

> Adolescent, Adult Scoliosis, Aging Spine, Degenerative Conditions,

> Juvenile/Infantile

>

> Jimmy S. Daruwalla, MD

> Daruwalla Orthopaedic, Spine & Hand Surgery

> 65 68369290

> 3 Mt

#03-01

> Mount Medical

Center

> Singapore

228510

> Singapore

> Adolescent, Adult Scoliosis, Aging Spine, Degenerative Conditions,

> Juvenile/Infantile

>

> Chong-Tien Tan, MD

> Island Spine and Scoliosis

> 65-6737-5683

> #06-03 Mt. Medical Centre

> 3 Mt.

> Singapore

228510

> Singapore

> Adolescent, Adult Scoliosis, Aging Spine, Degenerative Conditions,

> Juvenile/Infantile

>

> Hee-Kit Wong, MD

> Department of Orthopaedic Surgery

> 65 67795555 / 4342

> National University Hospital

> Lower Kent Ridge Rd

> Singapore

119074

> Singapore

> Adolescent, Adult Scoliosis, Aging Spine, Degenerative Conditions

>

> I am in no way recommending any one of them, just trying to point

you

> to a good starting place for further research.

>

> For most of us who have developed flatback, chiropractic care would

> not be anything more than paliative treatment. Flatback is a

> structural problem. The chance that a chiropracter could make

things

> worse for you exists as your spine does not have the mobility of an

> an ufused spine does. Honestly, I have read that chiropracters

claim

> they can cure scoliosis, but my personal opinion (and others!)is

that

> is " bunk " . I haven't read or seen any research that indicates

that

it

> can do much more than keep a young patient comfortable while the

> spine is growing. How much curve will exist once growth is complete

> is a a mystery to most doctors...so a chiro claiming that they have

> stopped the progression is kind of like someone claiming they saved

a

> tree from a lightning strike...maybe the curve would have

progressed

> to a serious/surgical state...and maybe it wouldn't have. I do

think

> the massage they give you will feel nice if your back is

> hurting...but you might do just as well with a good masseuse or

> physical therapist.

>

> Thats just my opinion as a patient. If you do decide to go ahead

and

> see a chiro I would bring your most recent set of xrays with you so

> they can be examined and remind the chiro what will move in your

> spine...and what will not.

>

> Sorry for the long post!

>

> Take Care, Cam

>

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