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That's absolutely true -- french fries, etc., aren't GF unless they're cooked in a dedicated frier. This can be even trickier than you think, as sometimes managers may say (and believe) that oil has been used only for GF items, but an employee may decide to cut corners by combining oils.

In 'N Out seems to be reliable, in terms of cooking french fries separately and keeping prep areas separate.

H.

In a message dated 12/3/08 9:41:42 AM, mriseman@... writes:

I've heard that in order for french fries to be safe for a person with

celiac they need to be fried in a separate fryer, away from battered

foods. Can anyone tell me for sure if this is true? My son has celiac

but he does not have an immediate reaction to gluten, so we can't tell

when he's accidentally eaten any.

Thank you!

Marci

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I don't think it's possible for hot oil to "kill (I assume this means destroy) the proteins in the gluten". I can't think of any way to look it up. However, that theory doesn't agree with anything I've ever read about gluten. I'd be more than doubtful about this idea.

H.

In a message dated 12/3/08 9:54:42 AM, tanya_lombardi@... writes:

I've heard that AND heard that it is incorrect, that the hot oil kills the proteins in the gluten that affect Celiacs.  I haven't been able to confirm one or the other...

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YES…that is true! You cannot eat french-fries made in

the same oil as the breaded/battered items (like chicken fingers/nuggets; fish sticks,

etc)

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Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 9:40 AM

Subject: [ ] french fry question

I've heard that in order for french fries to be

safe for a person with

celiac they need to be fried in a separate fryer, away from battered

foods. Can anyone tell me for sure if this is true? My son has celiac

but he does not have an immediate reaction to gluten, so we can't tell

when he's accidentally eaten any.

Thank you!

Marci

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I've heard that AND heard that it is incorrect, that the hot oil kills the proteins in the gluten that affect Celiacs. I haven't been able to confirm one or the other...

From: Marci Riseman <mriseman@...> Sent: Wednesday, December 3, 2008 9:40:15 AMSubject: [ ] french fry question

I've heard that in order for french fries to be safe for a person with celiac they need to be fried in a separate fryer, away from battered foods. Can anyone tell me for sure if this is true? My son has celiac but he does not have an immediate reaction to gluten, so we can't tell when he's accidentally eaten any.Thank you!Marci

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Gluten isn't like a bacteria, something that you can " kill. " Think of it instead

as a residue which will remain on foods that it touches.

There is research being done on substances/drugs which would break down the

protein and render it harmless to celiacs, but those are YEARS away from the

marketplace.

Maureen

> From: Lombardi <tanya_lombardi@...>

> Subject: Re: [ ] french fry question

>

> Date: Wednesday, December 3, 2008, 9:53 AM

> I've heard that AND heard that it is incorrect, that the hot oil kills the

proteins in the gluten that affect

> Celiacs.  I haven't been able to confirm one or the other...

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> From: Marci Riseman <mriseman@...>

>

> Sent: Wednesday, December 3, 2008 9:40:15 AM

> Subject: [ ] french fry question

>

>

> I've heard that in order for french fries to be safe for a person with

> celiac they need to be fried in a separate fryer, away from battered

> foods. Can anyone tell me for sure if this is true? My son has celiac

> but he does not have an immediate reaction to gluten, so we can't tell

> when he's accidentally eaten any.

>

> Thank you!

> Marci

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Yes, it is absolutely true that french fries are a big no-no unless they are fried in completely clean oil in a dedicated fryer. Gluten cannot be 'killed' by heating or cooking. If that were true then none of us would have such difficulties with cross-contammination in kitchens, and with products cooked on a common grill.

From: "flatcat9@..." <flatcat9@...> Sent: Wednesday, December 3, 2008 10:23:35 AMSubject: Re: [ ] french fry question

I don't think it's possible for hot oil to "kill (I assume this means destroy) the proteins in the gluten". I can't think of any way to look it up. However, that theory doesn't agree with anything I've ever read about gluten. I'd be more than doubtful about this idea.H.In a message dated 12/3/08 9:54:42 AM, tanya_lombardi writes:

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This is true! Even though I am newly diagnosed I did my research with french fries as they are one of my favorite foods! Yes you need to make sure the fries are fried in a dedicated fryer as you can get cross contamination if the fryer is used for other items which contain gluten (chicken tenders, breaded anything, fried calamari, etc.). Some "fast food" restaurants do indeed have dedicated fryers such as Nations and In-n-Out. Also you need to be careful as some frozen french fries, and even some fresh in restaurants are coated with flour as they fry better. My reaction if I do have "hidden" gluten or cross contamination is 3-4 hours.On Dec 3, 2008, at 9:40 AM, Marci Riseman wrote:I've heard that in order for french fries to be safe for a person with celiac they need to be fried in a separate fryer, away from battered foods. Can anyone tell me for sure if this is true? My son has celiac but he does not have an immediate reaction to gluten, so we can't tell when he's accidentally eaten any.Thank you!Marci

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Just to confirm, it

is the protein in the wheat that is toxic to celiacs. Far from being “killed”

or “destroyed,” the toxic elements in gluten become more exposed

when heated or burned, making the reaction to burned gluten worse than to

regular gluten. I have heard this from several reliable sources,

including national celiac groups and a celiac chemist. This is the first

time I have heard anything about hot oil killing protein, so until I hear from

a reliable source that hot oil kills protein, I consider this a closed

issue. Always try to check out the source of any information you hear and

try to determine how reliable it is.

Check out this link for more:

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Can_the_gluten_protein_that_causes_celiac_disease_break_down_either_by_chemical_or_heat

Besides French fries, many other items in restaurants can be

contaminated through cooking oil, such as tortilla chips in restaurants (not

commercial chips in bags). If something you are ordering in a restaurant

is deep fried, avoid it unless you are certain it is OK.

Pam

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Behalf Of Lombardi

Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 9:53 AM

Subject: Re: [ ] french fry question

I've heard

that AND heard that it is incorrect, that the hot oil kills the proteins in the

gluten that affect Celiacs. I haven't been able to confirm one or the

other...

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I agree it's dangerous to eat fries from a fryer that's not dedicated to just potatoes. The only place I've been able to find safe fries is In and Out -- I've had them several times now with no problems.

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The Red Robin's in Santa Clara (off of Montague Expressway) and

Saratoga have dedicated friers for french fries- I still ask every time

we go just to make sure they still have it. Their fries are really good!

--- In , Linden <redchickn@...>

wrote:

>

> I agree it's dangerous to eat fries from a fryer that's not dedicated

to just potatoes. The only place I've been able to find safe fries is

In and Out -- I've had them several times now with no problems.

>

>

> L²

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We ate the fries there not too long ago - I got sick with a gluten reaction

faster than I ever have before. I asked all the usual questions, they gave the

right answers, but I still remember how fast the stomach cramps started...

Maureen

> From: jeansomlo <jina68@...>

> Subject: [ ] Re: french fry question

>

> Date: Wednesday, December 10, 2008, 3:32 PM

> The Red Robin's in Santa Clara (off of Montague

> Expressway) and

> Saratoga have dedicated friers for french fries- I still

> ask every time

> we go just to make sure they still have it. Their fries are

> really good!

>

>

> >

> > I agree it's dangerous to eat fries from a fryer

> that's not dedicated

> to just potatoes. The only place I've been able to find

> safe fries is

> In and Out -- I've had them several times now with no

> problems.

> >

> >

> > L²

> >

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oh no - that really stinks. Are you sure it was from the fries and

not something else with your meal? I will be extra careful next time

we go and mention someone had gotten sick just to express the point

that they need to be truthful about their frier if indeed something

has changed. I've had their fries probably a dozen times in the past

year and never had an issue (and I get stomach cramps and D pretty

quickly from just a crumb of gluten so I don't think there was any cc

when I went those times). So sorry to hear you got sick.

> > >

> > > I agree it's dangerous to eat fries from a fryer

> > that's not dedicated

> > to just potatoes. The only place I've been able to find

> > safe fries is

> > In and Out -- I've had them several times now with no

> > problems.

> > >

> > >

> > > L²

> > >

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You can do a nice protein style burger thereOn Dec 11, 2008, at 10:06 AM, Mark Morley <1grnthmb@...> wrote:

What can you possibly eat at Red Robin? That used to be one of my

favorite hang outs when I lived in Fremont and Before being gluten free.

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The fries at the Burger Joint in SF (lower Haight, Mission) are pretty nice. Also I had McD's the other day and no prob. My response to trace amounts is sometimes unnoticeable though. It was the first time I'd been through a looong time though. It was kinda sad just ordering a small fries and a coke but at least I am having McD's fries again!

NarenOn Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 10:40 AM, <kimberlymp1@...> wrote:

You can do a nice protein style burger thereOn Dec 11, 2008, at 10:06 AM, Mark Morley <1grnthmb@...> wrote:

What can you possibly eat at Red Robin? That used to be one of my

favorite hang outs when I lived in Fremont and Before being gluten free.

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