Guest guest Posted December 3, 2008 Report Share Posted December 3, 2008 That's absolutely true -- french fries, etc., aren't GF unless they're cooked in a dedicated frier. This can be even trickier than you think, as sometimes managers may say (and believe) that oil has been used only for GF items, but an employee may decide to cut corners by combining oils. In 'N Out seems to be reliable, in terms of cooking french fries separately and keeping prep areas separate. H. In a message dated 12/3/08 9:41:42 AM, mriseman@... writes: I've heard that in order for french fries to be safe for a person with celiac they need to be fried in a separate fryer, away from battered foods. Can anyone tell me for sure if this is true? My son has celiac but he does not have an immediate reaction to gluten, so we can't tell when he's accidentally eaten any. Thank you! Marci **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp & icid=aolcom40vanity & ncid=emlcntaolcom00000010) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 3, 2008 Report Share Posted December 3, 2008 I don't think it's possible for hot oil to "kill (I assume this means destroy) the proteins in the gluten". I can't think of any way to look it up. However, that theory doesn't agree with anything I've ever read about gluten. I'd be more than doubtful about this idea. H. In a message dated 12/3/08 9:54:42 AM, tanya_lombardi@... writes: I've heard that AND heard that it is incorrect, that the hot oil kills the proteins in the gluten that affect Celiacs. I haven't been able to confirm one or the other... **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp & icid=aolcom40vanity & ncid=emlcntaolcom00000010) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 3, 2008 Report Share Posted December 3, 2008 YES…that is true! You cannot eat french-fries made in the same oil as the breaded/battered items (like chicken fingers/nuggets; fish sticks, etc) From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Marci Riseman Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 9:40 AM Subject: [ ] french fry question I've heard that in order for french fries to be safe for a person with celiac they need to be fried in a separate fryer, away from battered foods. Can anyone tell me for sure if this is true? My son has celiac but he does not have an immediate reaction to gluten, so we can't tell when he's accidentally eaten any. Thank you! Marci Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 3, 2008 Report Share Posted December 3, 2008 I've heard that AND heard that it is incorrect, that the hot oil kills the proteins in the gluten that affect Celiacs. I haven't been able to confirm one or the other... From: Marci Riseman <mriseman@...> Sent: Wednesday, December 3, 2008 9:40:15 AMSubject: [ ] french fry question I've heard that in order for french fries to be safe for a person with celiac they need to be fried in a separate fryer, away from battered foods. Can anyone tell me for sure if this is true? My son has celiac but he does not have an immediate reaction to gluten, so we can't tell when he's accidentally eaten any.Thank you!Marci Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 3, 2008 Report Share Posted December 3, 2008 Gluten isn't like a bacteria, something that you can " kill. " Think of it instead as a residue which will remain on foods that it touches. There is research being done on substances/drugs which would break down the protein and render it harmless to celiacs, but those are YEARS away from the marketplace. Maureen > From: Lombardi <tanya_lombardi@...> > Subject: Re: [ ] french fry question > > Date: Wednesday, December 3, 2008, 9:53 AM > I've heard that AND heard that it is incorrect, that the hot oil kills the proteins in the gluten that affect > Celiacs. I haven't been able to confirm one or the other... > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Marci Riseman <mriseman@...> > > Sent: Wednesday, December 3, 2008 9:40:15 AM > Subject: [ ] french fry question > > > I've heard that in order for french fries to be safe for a person with > celiac they need to be fried in a separate fryer, away from battered > foods. Can anyone tell me for sure if this is true? My son has celiac > but he does not have an immediate reaction to gluten, so we can't tell > when he's accidentally eaten any. > > Thank you! > Marci Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 3, 2008 Report Share Posted December 3, 2008 Yes, it is absolutely true that french fries are a big no-no unless they are fried in completely clean oil in a dedicated fryer. Gluten cannot be 'killed' by heating or cooking. If that were true then none of us would have such difficulties with cross-contammination in kitchens, and with products cooked on a common grill. From: "flatcat9@..." <flatcat9@...> Sent: Wednesday, December 3, 2008 10:23:35 AMSubject: Re: [ ] french fry question I don't think it's possible for hot oil to "kill (I assume this means destroy) the proteins in the gluten". I can't think of any way to look it up. However, that theory doesn't agree with anything I've ever read about gluten. I'd be more than doubtful about this idea.H.In a message dated 12/3/08 9:54:42 AM, tanya_lombardi writes: I've heard that AND heard that it is incorrect, that the hot oil kills the proteins in the gluten that affect Celiacs. I haven't been able to confirm one or the other...************ **Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www. aol.com/? optin=new- dp & icid=aolcom40vanity & ncid=emlcntaolcom00 000010) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 3, 2008 Report Share Posted December 3, 2008 This is true! Even though I am newly diagnosed I did my research with french fries as they are one of my favorite foods! Yes you need to make sure the fries are fried in a dedicated fryer as you can get cross contamination if the fryer is used for other items which contain gluten (chicken tenders, breaded anything, fried calamari, etc.). Some "fast food" restaurants do indeed have dedicated fryers such as Nations and In-n-Out. Also you need to be careful as some frozen french fries, and even some fresh in restaurants are coated with flour as they fry better. My reaction if I do have "hidden" gluten or cross contamination is 3-4 hours.On Dec 3, 2008, at 9:40 AM, Marci Riseman wrote:I've heard that in order for french fries to be safe for a person with celiac they need to be fried in a separate fryer, away from battered foods. Can anyone tell me for sure if this is true? My son has celiac but he does not have an immediate reaction to gluten, so we can't tell when he's accidentally eaten any.Thank you!Marci Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 4, 2008 Report Share Posted December 4, 2008 Just to confirm, it is the protein in the wheat that is toxic to celiacs. Far from being “killed” or “destroyed,” the toxic elements in gluten become more exposed when heated or burned, making the reaction to burned gluten worse than to regular gluten. I have heard this from several reliable sources, including national celiac groups and a celiac chemist. This is the first time I have heard anything about hot oil killing protein, so until I hear from a reliable source that hot oil kills protein, I consider this a closed issue. Always try to check out the source of any information you hear and try to determine how reliable it is. Check out this link for more: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Can_the_gluten_protein_that_causes_celiac_disease_break_down_either_by_chemical_or_heat Besides French fries, many other items in restaurants can be contaminated through cooking oil, such as tortilla chips in restaurants (not commercial chips in bags). If something you are ordering in a restaurant is deep fried, avoid it unless you are certain it is OK. Pam From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Lombardi Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 9:53 AM Subject: Re: [ ] french fry question I've heard that AND heard that it is incorrect, that the hot oil kills the proteins in the gluten that affect Celiacs. I haven't been able to confirm one or the other... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 4, 2008 Report Share Posted December 4, 2008 I agree it's dangerous to eat fries from a fryer that's not dedicated to just potatoes. The only place I've been able to find safe fries is In and Out -- I've had them several times now with no problems. L² Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 10, 2008 Report Share Posted December 10, 2008 The Red Robin's in Santa Clara (off of Montague Expressway) and Saratoga have dedicated friers for french fries- I still ask every time we go just to make sure they still have it. Their fries are really good! --- In , Linden <redchickn@...> wrote: > > I agree it's dangerous to eat fries from a fryer that's not dedicated to just potatoes. The only place I've been able to find safe fries is In and Out -- I've had them several times now with no problems. > > > L² > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2008 Report Share Posted December 11, 2008 We ate the fries there not too long ago - I got sick with a gluten reaction faster than I ever have before. I asked all the usual questions, they gave the right answers, but I still remember how fast the stomach cramps started... Maureen > From: jeansomlo <jina68@...> > Subject: [ ] Re: french fry question > > Date: Wednesday, December 10, 2008, 3:32 PM > The Red Robin's in Santa Clara (off of Montague > Expressway) and > Saratoga have dedicated friers for french fries- I still > ask every time > we go just to make sure they still have it. Their fries are > really good! > > > > > > I agree it's dangerous to eat fries from a fryer > that's not dedicated > to just potatoes. The only place I've been able to find > safe fries is > In and Out -- I've had them several times now with no > problems. > > > > > > L² > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2008 Report Share Posted December 11, 2008 oh no - that really stinks. Are you sure it was from the fries and not something else with your meal? I will be extra careful next time we go and mention someone had gotten sick just to express the point that they need to be truthful about their frier if indeed something has changed. I've had their fries probably a dozen times in the past year and never had an issue (and I get stomach cramps and D pretty quickly from just a crumb of gluten so I don't think there was any cc when I went those times). So sorry to hear you got sick. > > > > > > I agree it's dangerous to eat fries from a fryer > > that's not dedicated > > to just potatoes. The only place I've been able to find > > safe fries is > > In and Out -- I've had them several times now with no > > problems. > > > > > > > > > L² > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2008 Report Share Posted December 11, 2008 What can you possibly eat at Red Robin? That used to be one of my favorite hang outs when I lived in Fremont and Before being gluten free. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2008 Report Share Posted December 11, 2008 You can do a nice protein style burger thereOn Dec 11, 2008, at 10:06 AM, Mark Morley <1grnthmb@...> wrote: What can you possibly eat at Red Robin? That used to be one of my favorite hang outs when I lived in Fremont and Before being gluten free. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2008 Report Share Posted December 12, 2008 The fries at the Burger Joint in SF (lower Haight, Mission) are pretty nice. Also I had McD's the other day and no prob. My response to trace amounts is sometimes unnoticeable though. It was the first time I'd been through a looong time though. It was kinda sad just ordering a small fries and a coke but at least I am having McD's fries again! NarenOn Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 10:40 AM, <kimberlymp1@...> wrote: You can do a nice protein style burger thereOn Dec 11, 2008, at 10:06 AM, Mark Morley <1grnthmb@...> wrote: What can you possibly eat at Red Robin? That used to be one of my favorite hang outs when I lived in Fremont and Before being gluten free. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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