Guest guest Posted February 16, 2000 Report Share Posted February 16, 2000 > Hello Group Members. > > I received a small paper-back booklet a few days ago from. > Dr. n Whitaker M.D. >I'm sure a lot of the members are familiar with him. > I didn't know (for instance): That iron in vitamins, could be tripling your >risk > of a heart attack, or that you should never take Vit.C that doesn't contain > (bioflavonoids). > If you take Calcium it should contain citrate, malate and ascorbate. > > If your taking a multivitamin it should contain (natural digestive enzymes) > > I could go on and on but not enough room. > You can call a toll free number, and ask for " The Great Vitamin HOAX " > 1-800-211-7657 > Betty > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Visit http://cures for cancer.evangelist.net for cancer info or to unsubscribe > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >If you took Podiminô, ReduxÆ, or the combination " Fen-Phen, " >visit the OFFICIAL site. Request the Court authorized notice package >explaining your rights under the class settlement. >1/833/5/_/378/_/950715111/ > >-- Easily schedule meetings and events using the group calendar! >-- cal?listname=cures for cancer & m=1 Dear Betty, Some of the information you posted is true. The following information may be of interest also. In the United States there are only 7 companies that manufacture vitamins. Non of them are a vitamin company. They are all large multi-national chemical companies and the vitamins they make are all synthetic or identical to synthetic. None of it is like anything found in the food chain and actual utilization of the vitamins at the cellular averages about 5% or less. Dr. Whitiker's vitamin products are full of synthetic vitamins and he probably doesn't know it. It is commonly believed that there is no difference between man made vitamins or minerals and what is found in the food chain, but it is a belief and not factual. Calcium citrate, malate and ascorbate are man made and not found in nature, but attempts to increase the absorbtion of calcium carbonate or gluconate into the human body. The body knows the difference. There are many forms of iron but very few that the body will use effectively. The problem with iron these days is the wrong kinds of iron are being taken in abundant amounts in various forms of supplementation, whether in tablets or added to dairy or grain products. Regarding the bioflavinoids added to vitamin C, they are almost always dead because of the denaturing they go through in order to be used in commercial products. Shelf life is everything in commercial products while freshness is everything when it comes to authentic utilization of nutrients. The seven chemical companies are: 1) Roche Chemical Division - Hoffman LaRoche. 2) Pfizer Chemicals Division. 3) Takeda USA - Takeda Chemical Industries, LTD. 4) Archer s Midland Corporation. 5) Eastman Chemicals - Eastman Kodak Company 6) Fine Chemicals Division - Henkel Corporation. 7) Chemicals Divison - BASF Wyandotte Corp. Hoffman LaRoche is the largest and holds most of the patents on synthetizing vitamin products. They were recently convicted of price fixing along with BASF Wyandotte Corp and hit with one of the largest fines in US history. Part of the problem we face is the lack of authentic food nutrients and the proliferation of substitutes marketed as the real thing. This, unfortunately is rampant throughout the health food industry. While the benefit of taking almost any kind of supplement is limited, most people are so difficient that just about anything is better than nothing. There are many products on the market that are closer to " nothing " however, and that seems to be a growing and well disguised problem. I hope this information is useful. There are a few real sources for authentic nutritional supplementation but it is hard to keep the real thing is sight when the market is flooded with so much advertising retoric. Fortunately, there are more solutions than problems. Nature seems to have set it up that way. Warm regards, J Bentley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2000 Report Share Posted February 16, 2000 Dear Bentley, If you have time, could you go to this site and look at this companies products. Would esp. like your opinion on the " Complete " product and any others you may have the time to look at. The url is http://www.awareonline.com/belinda. I felt these products were better than others I have looked at. For example, minerals are taken from plant sources so they are better assimilated by the body, product in liquid form leads to greater absorption etc.. Would like to know what you think though! Thank you...........Belinda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2000 Report Share Posted February 16, 2000 Dear Mr. Bently, You neglected to mention that Shaklee is the number one distributor of multi-vitamin supplements in the world! Their supplements are made from whole, organic foods that they grow themselves, and are the most extensively tested supplements in the industry. Their catalog describes some ot the testing and everything is guaranteed. What you say about the synthetic vitamins is true. When I got cancer and had to undergo a radical lifestyle change I had to learn about all this stuff so I could make correct and healthy decisions for my health. And so I did. But please look into Shaklee before you discount all supplements as worthless. Marci <>< Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2000 Report Share Posted February 16, 2000 >Dear Bentley, > If you have time, could you go to this site and look at this companies >products. Would esp. like your opinion on the " Complete " product and any >others you may have the time to look at. The url is >http://www.awareonline.com/belinda. I felt these products were better than >others I have looked at. For example, minerals are taken from plant sources >so they are better assimilated by the body, product in liquid form leads to >greater absorption etc.. Would like to know what you think though! > > Thank you...........Belinda > Interesting information Belinda. In the food chain, vitamins and most minerals are molecularly bound to proteins. There are no receptor sites on the surface of the cells for vitamins or minerals, only the naturally occuring transport/carrier protein that's part of it's natural relationship in the plant. In the body, the cell identifies the protein, creates an enzynme to remove it and then uses the nutrient if it wants it. It is up to the cell to use what is available and not the vitamin or mineral. There would be no immunity if the cell did not have this power and the ability to use it. In nature, colloidal minerals are made by soil bacteria for plants to use. Plants step up the minerals a level in complexity by creating additional relationships to make animal food. In the food chain there are intricate relationships with other combinations of other types of molecules that protect the nutrients from free redicals, oxygen and light or other forms of radiation to the point of being overwhelmed and subsequently damaged. Man made compounds and formulas using commercially available nutrients never live up to what nature so wisely has made available to us. To bad were not smart enough to take advantage of such a gift. " Plant sources minerals " means what? It could be said that minerals from petrified wood is from a plant source but is it food? A widely used source of minerals these days is " s Minerals " which is from a field of old prehistoric plants that broke down into compounds that haven't quite decomposed to the level of mineral salts. They are used in many products and technically can be called " plant sourced " Most people are so defficient these days, taking just about any form of nutrients can do some good but is it enough good? There can be tremendous differences between the actual utilization of nutrient substances found in products these days and almost none of them are being sold in any form of natural. They wouldn't have any shelf life if they were. Also, even synthetic vitamins, which is the most widely used form in supplements, need chemicals to protect them. In a liquid medium, such as a drink, it presents an attractive source of food for bacteria and fungus. There will always be preservatives added to minimize the possibility of contamination and improve shelf life. To be more specific about Awareness Corporation, I have heard excellent reports about their colon/intestine parasite cleansing products. I hope I have been helpful in your inquiry. Keep asking your questions everywhere with everything. They will help lead you through the retoric. Warm regards, J Bentley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2000 Report Share Posted February 17, 2000 Shaklee has brainwashed you they are no better than anyone else! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2000 Report Share Posted February 17, 2000 >Dear Mr. Bently, >You neglected to mention that Shaklee is the number one distributor of >multi-vitamin supplements in the world! Their supplements are made from >whole, organic foods that they grow themselves, and are the most extensively >tested supplements in the industry. Their catalog describes some ot the >testing and everything is guaranteed. >What you say about the synthetic vitamins is true. When I got cancer and had >to undergo a radical lifestyle change I had to learn about all this stuff so >I could make correct and healthy decisions for my health. >And so I did. But please look into Shaklee before you discount all >supplements as worthless. >Marci <>< > Dear Marci, Thank you for your email. Unknown to most people, it is technically impossible to extract or isolate nutrients from any food source without changing them and leaving them undamaged. The complexity in which nature grows anything is seldom respected when it comes to making commercial products. Just to measure (assay) a vitamin or mineral involves stripping it of everything it is related to. The end result is a damaged nutrient molecule because of light and oxygen exposure. Light causes the molecule to rotate which it doesn't do in the food chain because it in inherently stable in that relationship. Without it intimate relationships with the other food constituents it is by itself and will become irreversably damaged. Shaklee has a good reputation and " I did not discount all supplements as worthless " and no where in my communications do I say that. I have said that deficiencies are so common that taking just about anything is better than nothing. While I recognize that you have " some kind of obvious interest or investment " in Shacklee that is valuable and valid, please know that the source of your informaton comes from the company that is selling the product. They will not provide you with any data that is not consistant with their image. If you want to find out something interesting, you would have to have someone at Shaklee tell you what kind of assay is used to measure the potency or even the existance of a particular vitamin or mineral in any product they produce. There are different assay techniques. The one used to find a vitamin or mineral in the food chain is different from the technique used to measure a vitamin or mineral in a typical vitamin or mineral supplement. While I won't go into the technical details of what the difference is, Shaklee's answer to the question will be revealing. While they don't get mentioned much these days, I believe that Amway is the number one distributor of Multi-vitamin supplements because of their 6 million distributors world wide. Continue being vigilent and maintain your scrutiny. It will help guide you through the retoric. Warm regards, J Bentley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2000 Report Share Posted June 5, 2000 The last thing that would be constipating is magnesium because it actually relaxes the colon. There are no vitamins that I know of that are constipating and being an Herb Specialist, I can add that I know of no herbs that are constipating. These are " created " foods, not " manufactured " and do no harm. Nolee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2000 Report Share Posted June 6, 2000 Nolee, you are scaring me, are you saying all herbs do no harm because they are natural??? Please say you are not saying that. Janie -----Message d'origine----- De : sayaloe@... <sayaloe@...> À : bowel cleanseegroups <bowel cleanseegroups> Date : 5 juin, 2000 17:51 Objet : Re: Vitamins. >The last thing that would be constipating is magnesium because it actually >relaxes the colon. There are no vitamins that I know of that are >constipating and being an Herb Specialist, I can add that I know of no herbs >that are constipating. These are " created " foods, not " manufactured " and do >no harm. > >Nolee > > >Subscription email: bowel cleanse-subscribeegroups > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2000 Report Share Posted June 6, 2000 Chrissy, May I ask what was wrong with your thyroid or why it was removed? Didn't you say you were 27 yrs. old? Charlie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2000 Report Share Posted June 6, 2000 Chrissy, I never found vitamins constipating myself, but I don't know about Centrum (its not at all a natural vitamin). This is not directly related to cleansing in general, but in reading your messages, I'm thinking you may not be maintaining a proper thyroid level on synthroid. Synthroid consists of only 1 of the 2 thyroid hormones, T4 - the other being T3. If your body does not have the ability to convert T3 to T4, you will always be hypothyroid (and constipated) no matter what you do. There are sensetive blood-tests that can measure the levels and allow the problem to be treated much more effectively. Let me know and I will email you more information. What type of diabetes do you have? Type 1 or 2? (preynolds@...) Vitamins. I have an important question I have been wondering about. Are vitamins constipating?? I am on centrum, and vit. B6, and magnesium. I have to take them at night because my doc said do not take them in the day because it can affect my synthroid medicine. Chrissy Subscription email: bowel cleanse-subscribeegroups Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2000 Report Share Posted June 6, 2000 My thyroid medicine is messed up right now. I was on levothyroxix .137mg a day. Well my blood test showed that it was a little low so my doc raised my level, and as he did this he switched me from levothyroxix to synthroid ..15mg. I went back 3 months later and my thyroid level was even lower. My doc said this happened because my body was used to levothyroxin and it is rejecting the synthroid. But he said it will eventually take it. Then he put me on .2mg of synthroid. It has been 6 months and no better. I go back July 6th for more blood work, I have to go every 2 months until this is better. And I'm type 1 diabetic. Chrissy Vitamins. > > >I have an important question I have been wondering about. Are vitamins >constipating?? I am on centrum, and vit. B6, and magnesium. I have to take >them at night because my doc said do not take them in the day because it can >affect my synthroid medicine. > >Chrissy > >Subscription email: bowel cleanse-subscribeegroups > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2000 Report Share Posted June 6, 2000 No, I am not saying all herbs are safe. You MUST check with your doctor before taking any. I was referring to herbs from companies that know what they are doing and have SUPERIOR quality control. Most people only think of price. Superior companies don't just throw any old herb into their mixtures. I wouldn't vouch for Wal-Mart vitamins or herbs because most are not the usable part of the herb and a waste of money. However, research I have done on wormwood has found nothing but positive remarks for it with the exception of pregnancy. It should not be used because it stimulates uterine contractions and can be toxic in large doses. I'd be interested where you got the information on it being toxic to the CNS because I can't find anything that says that, unless you are talking very large amounts. This system we have on here of checks and balances is great. Sorry I wasn't more specific. Nolee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2000 Report Share Posted June 6, 2000 Hi again! About absinthe (drink based on the plant wormwood, aka absinthe) , if you do not have a book about it, you can even find some details about its dangers in the dictionary!!! Or, you can get a book called : Witches Heal by Billie Pots. It's a herbal book (no spells, ha ha) in which Ms Potts relates years of info on how to heal anything and everything with plants for the do-it-yourselfers, like us. She has put together all her knowledge and experience as well as other's. Warning, sometimes of little known side effects or dangers of certain plants. She proceeds to show how to make tinctures, poultices, infusions, teas, ointments etc... Anyway, I don't take wormwood myself, nor would I unless my life depended on it...but it's all up to you all... It's ok in small doses and for a very short time. I am sure there are plenty of other dewormers available in nature... Again, I am not freaking out on anybody, I just say, be cautious... Janie -----Message d'origine----- De : sayaloe@... <sayaloe@...> À : bowel cleanseegroups <bowel cleanseegroups> Date : 6 juin, 2000 09:55 Objet : Re: Vitamins. >No, I am not saying all herbs are safe. You MUST check with your doctor >before taking any. I was referring to herbs from companies that know what >they are doing and have SUPERIOR quality control. Most people only think of >price. Superior companies don't just throw any old herb into their mixtures. > I wouldn't vouch for Wal-Mart vitamins or herbs because most are not the >usable part of the herb and a waste of money. > >However, research I have done on wormwood has found nothing but positive >remarks for it with the exception of pregnancy. It should not be used >because it stimulates uterine contractions and can be toxic in large doses. >I'd be interested where you got the information on it being toxic to the CNS >because I can't find anything that says that, unless you are talking very >large amounts. > >This system we have on here of checks and balances is great. Sorry I wasn't >more specific. > >Nolee > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Old school buds here: >1/4057/1/_/478268/_/960299734/ >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >Subscription email: bowel cleanse-subscribeegroups > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2000 Report Share Posted June 6, 2000 Yes, I'm 27 now. In 1996 I was having swelling on the left side of my neck. It ended up being a turmor on the left side of my thyroid. It came back cancer, so they had to remove my whole thyroid and I had a dose of radio active iodine. Everything is fine now, all of the cancer is gone, but I have had trouble off and on with thyroid medicines. Chrissy Re: Vitamins. >Chrissy, > May I ask what was wrong with your thyroid or why it was removed? Didn't >you say you were 27 yrs. old? > Charlie > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Keep in touch with eGroups, >Keep your long distance bills lower with beMANY! >1/4120/1/_/478268/_/960263274/ >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >Subscription email: bowel cleanse-subscribeegroups > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2000 Report Share Posted June 6, 2000 The one herb I know that you should not take with Thyroid problems is kelp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2000 Report Share Posted June 6, 2000 ?? Care to expound on that? Everything I have read says that kelp is excellent for thyroid problems (is high in natural iodine, etc). Re: Vitamins. > The one herb I know that you should not take with Thyroid problems is kelp. > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- -------------- > Old school buds here: > 1/4057/1/_/478268/_/960322019/ > ---------------------------------------------------------- -------------- > > Subscription email: bowel cleanse-subscribeegroups > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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