Re: Newbie Question: Wormwood as Enema Tea

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I would not use the wormwood.. Just my opinion...

Robin

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In a message dated 4/14/02 12:22:49 PM Eastern Standard Time,

robinbirdjones@... writes:

> I would not use the wormwood.. Just my opinion...

> Robin

>

>

For those who may be interested in additional information, can you elaborate

on why you wouldn't use it?

I wouldn't, personally, just because I dont' know enough about it to know

when it becomes toxic. And beside that, I don't often do enemas anyway.

But I would guess that your reasoning has more behind it than mine does.

rachel~

" The greatest risk is not taking any.

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In a message dated 4/14/02 6:24:51 PM Eastern Standard Time,

lenny@... writes:

> I talked to an N.D. who gave wormwood colonics to a lady with migraines. It

> tooks several days of

> work before a very large worm parasite came out. She was over her

> migraines when the creature came

> out.

>

> Lenny

>

For the sake of whoever it was who originally asked the question (I've lost

track!), did this ND tell you anything about how the wormwood was used?

(i.e. quanitity?)

Interesting story!

rachel~

" The greatest risk is not taking any.

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I haven't seen anything on wormwood as enema. I have seen things

like raspberry leaf, aloe vera, red clover, yarrow. I would think

that wormwood would be better going thru the entire digestive tract.

Here's some interesting info I found in the Encyclopedia for

medicinal herbs about wormwood and possibly may be where my question

earlier about tastes effecting the way herbs work. Here it is.

....the intensely bitter taste playing an important part in its

therapeutic effect......Research into wormwood, mostly during the

1970's has established that a range of the constituents within the

plant contributes to it's medicinal activity. Many (wormwood

species) are very bitter, affecting the bitter taste receptors on the

tongue, which sets off a reflex action stimulating the stomach and

other digestive secretions.....

It is also known for its anti-inflammatory and anti-turmor

effects....stimulant to the brain, It is safe in small doses but

toxic in excess.....it is an extremely useful medicine for those with

weak and underactive digestions. It increases stomach acid and bile

production and therefore improves digestion and the absorption of

nutrients....also eases gas and bloating

Sounds to me like we could all benefit from a nice wormwood tea. LOL

Drink and be merry---funny it even mentioned anti-depressant.

Elaine

> In a message dated 4/14/02 12:22:49 PM Eastern Standard Time,

> robinbirdjones@a... writes:

>

>

> > I would not use the wormwood.. Just my opinion...

> > Robin

> >

> >

>

> For those who may be interested in additional information, can you

elaborate

> on why you wouldn't use it?

>

> I wouldn't, personally, just because I dont' know enough about it

to know

> when it becomes toxic. And beside that, I don't often do enemas

anyway.

>

> But I would guess that your reasoning has more behind it than mine

does.

>

> rachel~

> " The greatest risk is not taking any.

>

>

>

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Lenny

Are you still in touch with this person? Could you email him and ask? For

the sake of the person inquiring?

rachel~

In a message dated 4/14/02 8:29:27 PM Eastern Standard Time,

lenny@... writes:

> Sorry, he did'nt give any more details, just that he and his wife worked

> with her giving her the

> wormwood colonics for several days, against the protests of her family,

> daughter.

>

> But after the large creature passed out of her, she appeared transformed he

> said, like new person,

> with her migraines gone.

>

" Character is defined by what you choose to do when you know you could get by

with doing anything at all. "

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I talked to an N.D. who gave wormwood colonics to a lady with migraines. It

tooks several days of

work before a very large worm parasite came out. She was over her migraines

when the creature came

out.

Lenny

Rachd1961@... wrote:

> In a message dated 4/14/02 12:22:49 PM Eastern Standard Time,

> robinbirdjones@... writes:

>

> > I would not use the wormwood.. Just my opinion...

> > Robin

> >

> >

>

> For those who may be interested in additional information, can you elaborate

> on why you wouldn't use it?

>

> I wouldn't, personally, just because I dont' know enough about it to know

> when it becomes toxic. And beside that, I don't often do enemas anyway.

>

> But I would guess that your reasoning has more behind it than mine does.

>

> rachel~

> " The greatest risk is not taking any.

[Guest guest]

Taken internally, wormwood is said to help aid gastrointestinal digestion,

but there are less toxic remedies available. It may well be potent against

parasitic intestinal worms, hence its name. On the short term, it may be

soothing to the nervous system. It may promote menestruation, as well as help

cool down fevers. It is also said to help the liver. Poultices to help heal

bruising may be effective. Either place the wormwood in boiling water, allow

the resulting liquid to cool, and use that, or wrap the wormwood in a cloth,

run warm water over this, and apply to the injured area, over unbroken skin,

for fifteen minutes. This appears to be most effective before the full bloom

of bruising occurs. (As I have seen no data one way or the other as to

whether the toxic component of wormwood can cross the skin barrier, frequent

external applications are not recommended.) " Absinthe makes the heart grow

fonder " relates to early observations on the aforementioned beverage and its

desired effect (which was not always its actual effect). Scanning the

Scientific Literature:NOTE: This is one of the <A

HREF= " http://www.rootgrafix.com/herbalnexus/problem.htm " >'Problem Herbs'</A>.

The bitter

taste of wormwood comes from absinthin and anabsinthin. Another constituent

is thujone, an oil known to cause convulsions in rats in relatively low

concentrations. One half ounce of wormwood oil caused convulsions and

unconsciousness in a human foolish enough to tempt it. Long term use builds

up toxic effects. Wormwood pollen is an extremely common allergen, often

resulting in upper airway distress. People allergic to mugwort tend to be

allergic to wormwood as well. Other Info:In ancient Greece, this herb was

sacred to Artemis, while Culpeper declares this to be an herb of Mars.

Wormwood is not to be confused with 'sweet wormwood' (Artemesia annua), found

in many parts of the world, especially China. In the early 1970s Chinese

scientists recognized this second herb's potential for treating malaria and

isolated the active principle, artemesinin or qinghaosu. References:

Culpeper, N. <A

HREF= " http://www.rootgrafix.com/herbalnexus/b1.htm#culpeper " >Culpeper's Color

Herbal</A>.

Tyler, V.E. <A HREF= " http://www.rootgrafix.com/herbalnexus/b1.htm#tyler2 " >The

Honest Herbal</A>.

<A HREF= " http://www.rootgrafix.com/herbalnexus/b1.htm#gibbons " >Gibbons, E.

Stalking the Healthful Herbs</A>.

Gniazdowska B. Doroszewska G. Doroszewski W.

[Hypersensitivity to weed pollen allergens in the region of Bygdoszcz].

[Polish]. Pneumonologia i Alergologia Polska. 61(7-8):367-72, 1993.

Iwasaki E. Baba M.

[Classification of allergens by positive percentage agreement and cluster

analysis based on specific IgE antibodies in asthmatic children]. [Japanese].

Arerugi - Japanese Journal of Allergology. 41(10):1449-58, 1992 Oct.

Trevett A. Lalloo D.

A new look at an old drug: artemesinin and qinghaosu. [Review]. Papua New

Guinea Medical Journal. 35(4):264-9, 1992 Dec.

[Guest guest]

I may not get into great detail on some of my opinions its just that I do not

have the time to get into it in the way in which I would prefer to do so....

Wormwood is toxic and all that have used it know and and have also been very

ill from using too much of it.. The problem we see clinically speaking is

that because of the regulations some folks tend to over do or over kill on

using herbals et all.. But with the internet to day there is no reason for

this to happen. ALTHOUGH THERE are A TON of sites that are nothing more than

quackery and just out here to take folks money and HOPE .. Hope is what gets

me the most.. Let me tell you all that my father in law is dying with

pancreatic cancer and we are doing all we can do to help him with quality of

life.. his gallbladder is a mess and if he doesnt have it surgerically

removed asap I am afraid he is going to die from something other than the

cancer ... (ODD that we have had about 20 mds call our little clinic in the

last month..) my father in law was suppose to have been dead without the

chemo and the radiation.. he was told this in Jan.. he has been doing well

until last week when his gallbladder duct had to have his 3rd stent placed

and thats when he started feeling bad and NOW he is on insulin... He is going

out of his house etc. but his days are numbered .. at least he has had

QUALITY of life.. He has Hep C from a blood transfusion in 72 that was

tainted.. He is 82 years old too and has been in good health realitive to

MOST his age..

So .. dont think I am pro med cause thats the last place I wanna be in under

their care but at times we gotta have them...

Let me share this with you about wormwood since some folks here think I dont

go into detail enough..

<A HREF= " http://www.rootgrafix.com/herbalnexus/problem.htm " >The * Herbal *

Nexus: Problem Herbs</A>

http://www.rootgrafix.com/herbalnexus/problem.htm (if you cant click it)

[Guest guest]

Thanks, Robin, for all that detail.

On a side note, I'm particularly pleased that the article came from a Papua

New Guinea medical journal, since PNG is near and dear to my heart.

I had thought about trying to harvest artemesia, since there's a lot of it in

the community gardens in the untended plots. But I dont' know what variety

it is and I just dont' want to be messing around with a potentially toxic

plant.

Anyway, thanks for sharing all that info. I'm sure it will be of help to the

person who originally asked the question.

rachel~

" Character is defined by what you choose to do when you know you could get by

with doing anything at all. "

[Guest guest]

I sent out some things about wormword as well as some other problem herbs.

REMEMBER.. that the herbs listed are not the ONLY ones that are problems just

some that I found online to let you all know.. I for one have not thought

Kava Kava was what it was cracked up to be and knew of the side effect

problems before it came out via the FDA..

Another thing on the wormwood... I would use it sparlingly EXTERNALLY but

remember anything that will take out parasites in the way in which I have

been reading take heed.. remember you gotta have your liver and.. this stuff

is heck on your liver..

Robin

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In a message dated 4/14/02 10:48:44 PM Eastern Standard Time,

robinbirdjones@... writes:

> Let me share this with you about wormwood since some folks here think I dont

>

> go into detail enough..

>

Robin

You don't ever need to give more detail than you wish to. I only asked for

further clarification because your statement was so brief and I thought more

info might be helpful, especially considering they were thinking about using

something that could potentially be toxic.

Please don't ever feel pressured to write more than you care to. Just

because I asked doesn't mean anything - feel free to ignore me anytime.

rachel~

" Character is defined by what you choose to do when you know you could get by

with doing anything at all. "

[Guest guest]

Sorry ,

I'm not in touch any more, do not know how to get in contact with him.

Take care,

Lenny

Rachd1961@... wrote:

> Lenny

> Are you still in touch with this person? Could you email him and ask? For

> the sake of the person inquiring?

> rachel~

>

> In a message dated 4/14/02 8:29:27 PM Eastern Standard Time,

> lenny@... writes:

>

> > Sorry, he did'nt give any more details, just that he and his wife worked

> > with her giving her the

> > wormwood colonics for several days, against the protests of her family,

> > daughter.

> >

> > But after the large creature passed out of her, she appeared transformed he

> > said, like new person,

> > with her migraines gone.

> >

>

> " Character is defined by what you choose to do when you know you could get by

> with doing anything at all.

[Guest guest]

Dear Friends:

I really appreciate all the helpful exchange on wormwood as an enema

ingredient.

Here is the original source for my information on it. It is a Google

cache, since apparently the original PDF file is no longer around.

The following may be pasted into your browser address field as a

single long line:

http://216.239.51.100/search?

q=cache:lQNIXsOkuBIC:tuberose.com/colon.pdf+wormwood+enema & hl=en

Here's the pertinent passage:

" . . . The bitters; wormwood or worm seed, as well as sage, cloves

and black walnut hulls are famous for cleaning worms out. You can

make a very mild wormwood tea. Put a tablespoonful of wormwood

and/or sage leaves in a couple of quarts of water. Only use filtered

herbal tea. Putting the herbs in the enema bag will clog the

nozzle. . . . "

Cheers,

Cam

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Dear Friends:

I asked for feedback from the group regarding wormwood as an enema.

Although the preponderance of opinion is against me, I feel at the

moment the desire to go forward with the utmost caution.

My feeling from a survey of websites on wormwood is that it is

beneficial in small doses and becomes toxic in large doses; also,

that its use must be of short duration. One example is (one line):

http://www.vitaviva.com/engelsk/index2.asp?area=direct & link=http%

3A//www.vitaviva.com/engelsk/produkter/produkter_d.asp%3FkategoriID%

3D435%26topkategori%3D1

" Wormwood tea is very bitter and should be consumed very hot after a

meal. The treatment should not exceed 3 to 4 weeks. If the patient

cannot drink tea, wormwood tinkture can be administered. 20 to 30

drops in half a glass of water is standard dose, which can be taken 3

times a day.

" Tea is made with a teaspoonful of dried herb in a mug of boiling

water. Leave it to draw for 10 minutes. This tea is a vermifuge if

simultaneously used as an enema. "

Here is a specific treatment protocol which seems sufficiently

conservative for me to feel comfortable.

Yours to Good Health,

Cam

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In a message dated 4/18/02 5:51:01 AM Eastern Daylight Time, mcintosh@...

writes:

> I asked for feedback from the group regarding wormwood as an enema.

> Although the preponderance of opinion is against me, I feel at the

> moment the desire to go forward with the utmost caution.

>

Dear Cam

I know this is just a phrasing thing, but....please know that the opinions

are not against YOU - they are just about the wormwood.

It's natural for people to express caution when a known potentially toxic

substance is being discussed. It's only out of concern for your well being.

If your desire is to go forward with the utmost caution, and you are in tune

with your body and how it may be reacting, then that's what you need to do.

I hope that you will share the results with the group as well.

in health,

rachel~

" The problem is not that there are problems. The problem is expecting

otherwise and thinking that having problems is a problem.

~ Theodore Rubin ~