Guest guest Posted March 3, 1999 Report Share Posted March 3, 1999 Read this, it is must ! More about MSG from this page: http://www.i-wayco.com/niin/knowledgereport/excitotoxins.html Book Review: " Excitotoxins: The Taste that Kills " by L. Blaylock, M.D. 1994; p.264 ; Health Press; P. O. Box 1388; Santa Fe, NM 87504; $27.00 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Despite the sensationalistic title, neurosurgeon Blaylock's Excitotoxins: The Taste that Kills, is a responsible book of broad relevance and technical sophistication. Neurons, the cells of the nervous system, are what are killed; the taste that kills is the taste of MSG, aspartame (also known as Nutrasweet), and certain other food additives known as excitotoxins. Excitotoxins are added to food because of their peculiar flavor-enhancing properties. MSG was first isolated from kombu in 1908 by a Japanese chemist. It went into commercial production the next year, and by 1933, Japanese cooks were using over ten million pounds of it annually. Our culture discovered MSG during World War II, when American soldiers found that Japanese soldier's rations, unlike their own, tasted delicious. U.S. food manufacturers quickly adopted the use of MSG. Unfortunately, they were not as quick to abandon its use when MSG's toxic qualities were demonstrated in the late 1950s. Today, excitotoxins are found in many convenience foods; restaurants and hospitals add them to the foods they prepare as well. The excitotoxins kill certain neurons, those with glutamate receptors, by overstimulating them. Sometimes the cells are damaged without being killed. Because of the particular functions of the brain areas where these cells are located, exposure in infancy or prenatally is suspected to be implicated in learning disabilities, emotional problems, and endocrinological abnormalities. Blaylock convincingly links cumulative exposure in adulthood to an accelerated onset and degeneration in Alzheimer's disease, Parkinson's, and ALS as well as headaches, seizures, strokes and AIDS dementia. Blaylock begins with an explanation of the basic neurophysiology of the glutamate-type neurons. Glutamate, naturally occurring in foods, and, of course, in MSG, monosodium glutamate, is used as a neurotransmitter by these cells. Surrounding these neurons are helper cells, called astrocytes, which regulate the concentration of glutamate by absorbing any excess and converting it into glutamine. If the astrocytes are deprived of glucose, as in hypoglycemia, or oxygen, as in strokes, they become energy depleted and spill glutamate, killing or damaging these neurons in the absence of any excess dietary glutamate. When excess glutamate is present, it is one hundred times more toxic if the brain is also deprived of glucose. Since glutamate occurs naturally in foods, the brain has a second mechanism to help prevent excessive glutamate levels, the blood-brain barrier. The specially constituted cells lining the brain's capillaries, collectively called the blood-brain barrier, have an increased capability to transport beneficial substances such as glucose and exclude detrimental ones such as glutamate. Unfortunately, the blood brain barrier is not well developed in children, particularly infants. Animal studies show infants to be 4x more sensitive to glutamate-induced brain damage than adults. The barrier is also frequently breached in adults by fever, stroke, heavy metal poisoning, head injury, and infections. It can be impaired with age as well. Finally, there are parts of the brain, such as the hypothalamus, controller of the pituitary (and, through it, the rest of the vital glands of the body) which aren't protected by the blood brain barrier. Therefore, for children, and many adults, glutamate poisoning can probably occur through the dietary excess caused by adding MSG to our food, overwhelming the astrocytes absorptive capability, and the capillaries' barrier action. Dr. Olney, a leading researcher in the field, has estimated that the MSG in a single bowl of commercial soup, drunk with a can of diet, aspartame-sweetened soda, would raise a two-year-old child's blood level to six times the concentration demonstrated to cause brain damage in animals. In animals this damage is often not immediately apparent. Silent lesions, causing no observable behavioural effects, are capable of causing emotional, cognitive and endocrinological abnormalities when enough cell injuries accumulate or a certain stage of growth is reached. A human example of silent lesions is Parkinson's disease, in which no clinical symptoms are observed until approximately 90%of the substantia nigra, the brain area primarily affected, is destroyed. In children, however, the destruction of healthy brain tissue is not the only problem associated with glutamate. A child's brain is growing, and it is suspected that excess glutamate causes connections to be made inappropriately. Certain sensors on the neurons, called growth cones, allow the neurons to detect and grow along chemical trails in the brain, ultimately constructing the necessary pathways. Glutamate has been shown to affect the growth cones. Studies of infant animals, using small doses of glutamate, may indicate the effects of this type of miswiring. Rats fed small amounts of MSG from birth had difficulty escaping mazes, discriminating different types of stimuli, and jumping to a platform to escape electric shock. A review of the literature also showed significant injuries to the hypothalamus with disruption of many endocrine hormones. Thyroid, prolactin, and oxytocin were low, and cortisone was increased. Cortisone is immunosuppressive; oxytocin is necessary for labor contractions, breast-feeding, and orgasm, and also has been shown to be involved in mother-infant bonding. A contested question is whether or not dietary levels in this country are sufficient to initiate these catastrophic results. Before 1969, infants in the U.S. received high levels of glutamate, becasue MSG was added to baby foods. The amount contained in a single jar was 25 times the amount contained in a similar quantity of breast-milk, and one -quarter the dose needed to cause brain injury in infant animals. Since humans appear to be five times as sensitive to glutamate as mice, one jar of baby food may have been enough to do damage. Even if a jar did not contain enough to hurt most infants, MSG accumulates in the brain for hours after consumption. Therefore, infants may have been hurt after several jars eaten on the same day pushed brain glutamate to a critical level. The young can also be hurt by excitotoxins before they are born. Blaylock notes the danger of pregnant women drinking diet soda to restrict weight gain. Since hypoglycemia is known to exacerbate the effects of excitotoxins, I wonder about the routine glucose challenge test given to pregnant women, which often requires them to fast. The practice of denying the laboring woman, and thus her infant, food probably causes even more damage. The emerging infant under these conditions experiences hypoglycemia and oxygen deprivation together. Both will increase the toxicity of whatever excitotoxins are in its system from its mother's last meal. And in the U.S., that meal was likely to have contained a hefty dose. If the mother ate a " normal " diet, she consumed from 10-20 grams daily. If she ate out, a single dish may have contained 9.9 grams or more. The resulting blood levels from a 10 gram dose for a 110 pound person (me!) are comparable to those causing brain damage in mice. The author cautions particularly against chips, salad dressings, steak sauces, and gravies as well as including an appendix of misleading terms such as " natural flavoring " and " spices " which can be used to indicate MSG on food labels; nevertheless, the practical discussion of how to avoid excitotoxins in the diet was too sparse. Although Blaylock recommends another book, In Bad Taste: The MSG Syndrome by Schwartz for further information about dietary sources of MSG, for convenience, I wish he had included more information in this book. The book does not make the widespread use of MSG in restaurants graphically clear. For example, while preparing this review, I was surprised to discover from talking to a friend that she had always sprinkled MSG on the subs when she worked at a pizza place. Unlike the discussion of culinary uses of MSG, Blaylock's treatment of the neurodegenerative diseases is extensive and detailed. Although he believes dietary excitotoxins are not the primary causes of ALS, Huntingdon's, Parkinson's, and Alzheimer's, Blaylock notes that all these syndromes do involve the destruction of glutamate-type neurons. Therefore he recommends that anyone with these conditions or a hereditary disposition to them should avoid dietary exposures to excitotoxins, which might hasten their onset and progression. Other dietary factors affect excitotoxin toxicity. Magnesium and zinc deficiency greatly increase neural sensitivity to excitotoxins. Unfortunately 75% of adults in the U.S. have magnesium deficient diets according to a survey of 37,000 people conducted by the U.S. Department of Agriculture. The use of diuretics, alcohol, and colas cause an even further lowering of magnesium body levels by increasing excretion. Low magnesium levels have been linked to seizures in both humans and animals. Other nutrients exert a protective action by decreasing inflammation and free radical damage in the overstimulated neuron. Vitamin E decreases excitotoxin toxicity, and along with Deprenyl, slows the course of Parkinson's disease. The omega-3 fatty acids,(see Udo Erasmus Fats that Heal, Fats that Kill) deficient in the American diet and found in flax seeds and fish oils, are also suggested by Blaylock to be protective against excitotoxins. Many readers may find useful nutrition suggestions in the chapter, Other Neurological Disorders. Blaylock finds eliminating excitotoxins from the diets of migraine sufferers helpful, as well as supplementing 500mg. of magnesium gluconate daily for the first week, 250mg. thereafter. A migraine sufferer himself, he personally experienced the ability of low blood sugar to bring on migraines after exercise. For women who have migraines triggered by their menstrual period, he suggests fish oil capsules three times a day, with 400IU vitamin E daily. Additionally, diet may affect the neurons' ability to cope with overstimulation by blocking the energy producing enzymes in the neurons and astrocytes. Blaylock describes the enzyme deficiencies found in the glutamate- involving afflictions such as Alzheimer's. I would add that one inadvertant component of most Americans's diets, fluoride, has been shown to inhibit many enzymes, and is thought to inhibit cytochrome oxidase, an enzyme found to be deficient in most Alzheimer's patients. (see Yiamouyiannis, Fluoride: the Aging Factor) Another unseen addition to the diet, mercury toxicity, such as that caused by dental " silver " fillings, also affects enzymes involved in the energy producing cycle (see Fasciana, Are Your Dental Fillings Poisoning You?) In addition to the medical information about excitotoxins, Blaylock discusses the economic and social factors behind their continued use. G.D.Searle, the manufacturer of Nutrasweettm, sold 736 million dollars worth of it in1989, and spent 60 million dollars on advertising during its first three years of marketing. In 1972, 262,000 metric tons of MSG were produced. Part of the huge amount of income generated by these sales is spent on scientists who perform biased studies, designed to produce findings of no toxicity. In one study showing no brain damage, the experimenters administered the glutamate in such high doses the experimental animals vomited. No mention of the vomiting was made in the published data. The experimenters simultaneously gave the animals an anesthetic which was known to totally antidote glutamate's brain toxicity. Apparently not quite sure that these measures were adequate, the " scientists " chose a portion of the brain to examine that was known not to be affected by glutamate. This particular study has been repeatedly cited by the FDA as the basis for continuing to classify glutamate as " generally recognized as safe " . Blaylock's coverage of the politics of glutamate is fascinating. Some other issues of interest to me were not covered as well, if at all. The major absences I felt in the book were discussions of addictive or psychopharmicological effects of the excitotoxins, the safety of glutamine, the possibility, causes, and symptoms of a glutamate deficiency, the mechanism of the taste-enhancing effect, and an explanation of why humans absorb glutamine so much better than other animals. Nevertheless, I believe the book is worth the effort to buy and read. The discipline necessary to avoid these additives can only be increased by being thoroughly informed. Perhaps, like breastfeeding, this choice too has longlasting and profound benefits. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- by Breseis Gatto Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 1999 Report Share Posted March 3, 1999 Read this, it is must ! More about MSG from this page: http://www.i-wayco.com/niin/knowledgereport/excitotoxins.html Book Review: " Excitotoxins: The Taste that Kills " by L. Blaylock, M.D. 1994; p.264 ; Health Press; P. O. Box 1388; Santa Fe, NM 87504; $27.00 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Despite the sensationalistic title, neurosurgeon Blaylock's Excitotoxins: The Taste that Kills, is a responsible book of broad relevance and technical sophistication. Neurons, the cells of the nervous system, are what are killed; the taste that kills is the taste of MSG, aspartame (also known as Nutrasweet), and certain other food additives known as excitotoxins. Excitotoxins are added to food because of their peculiar flavor-enhancing properties. MSG was first isolated from kombu in 1908 by a Japanese chemist. It went into commercial production the next year, and by 1933, Japanese cooks were using over ten million pounds of it annually. Our culture discovered MSG during World War II, when American soldiers found that Japanese soldier's rations, unlike their own, tasted delicious. U.S. food manufacturers quickly adopted the use of MSG. Unfortunately, they were not as quick to abandon its use when MSG's toxic qualities were demonstrated in the late 1950s. Today, excitotoxins are found in many convenience foods; restaurants and hospitals add them to the foods they prepare as well. The excitotoxins kill certain neurons, those with glutamate receptors, by overstimulating them. Sometimes the cells are damaged without being killed. Because of the particular functions of the brain areas where these cells are located, exposure in infancy or prenatally is suspected to be implicated in learning disabilities, emotional problems, and endocrinological abnormalities. Blaylock convincingly links cumulative exposure in adulthood to an accelerated onset and degeneration in Alzheimer's disease, Parkinson's, and ALS as well as headaches, seizures, strokes and AIDS dementia. Blaylock begins with an explanation of the basic neurophysiology of the glutamate-type neurons. Glutamate, naturally occurring in foods, and, of course, in MSG, monosodium glutamate, is used as a neurotransmitter by these cells. Surrounding these neurons are helper cells, called astrocytes, which regulate the concentration of glutamate by absorbing any excess and converting it into glutamine. If the astrocytes are deprived of glucose, as in hypoglycemia, or oxygen, as in strokes, they become energy depleted and spill glutamate, killing or damaging these neurons in the absence of any excess dietary glutamate. When excess glutamate is present, it is one hundred times more toxic if the brain is also deprived of glucose. Since glutamate occurs naturally in foods, the brain has a second mechanism to help prevent excessive glutamate levels, the blood-brain barrier. The specially constituted cells lining the brain's capillaries, collectively called the blood-brain barrier, have an increased capability to transport beneficial substances such as glucose and exclude detrimental ones such as glutamate. Unfortunately, the blood brain barrier is not well developed in children, particularly infants. Animal studies show infants to be 4x more sensitive to glutamate-induced brain damage than adults. The barrier is also frequently breached in adults by fever, stroke, heavy metal poisoning, head injury, and infections. It can be impaired with age as well. Finally, there are parts of the brain, such as the hypothalamus, controller of the pituitary (and, through it, the rest of the vital glands of the body) which aren't protected by the blood brain barrier. Therefore, for children, and many adults, glutamate poisoning can probably occur through the dietary excess caused by adding MSG to our food, overwhelming the astrocytes absorptive capability, and the capillaries' barrier action. Dr. Olney, a leading researcher in the field, has estimated that the MSG in a single bowl of commercial soup, drunk with a can of diet, aspartame-sweetened soda, would raise a two-year-old child's blood level to six times the concentration demonstrated to cause brain damage in animals. In animals this damage is often not immediately apparent. Silent lesions, causing no observable behavioural effects, are capable of causing emotional, cognitive and endocrinological abnormalities when enough cell injuries accumulate or a certain stage of growth is reached. A human example of silent lesions is Parkinson's disease, in which no clinical symptoms are observed until approximately 90%of the substantia nigra, the brain area primarily affected, is destroyed. In children, however, the destruction of healthy brain tissue is not the only problem associated with glutamate. A child's brain is growing, and it is suspected that excess glutamate causes connections to be made inappropriately. Certain sensors on the neurons, called growth cones, allow the neurons to detect and grow along chemical trails in the brain, ultimately constructing the necessary pathways. Glutamate has been shown to affect the growth cones. Studies of infant animals, using small doses of glutamate, may indicate the effects of this type of miswiring. Rats fed small amounts of MSG from birth had difficulty escaping mazes, discriminating different types of stimuli, and jumping to a platform to escape electric shock. A review of the literature also showed significant injuries to the hypothalamus with disruption of many endocrine hormones. Thyroid, prolactin, and oxytocin were low, and cortisone was increased. Cortisone is immunosuppressive; oxytocin is necessary for labor contractions, breast-feeding, and orgasm, and also has been shown to be involved in mother-infant bonding. A contested question is whether or not dietary levels in this country are sufficient to initiate these catastrophic results. Before 1969, infants in the U.S. received high levels of glutamate, becasue MSG was added to baby foods. The amount contained in a single jar was 25 times the amount contained in a similar quantity of breast-milk, and one -quarter the dose needed to cause brain injury in infant animals. Since humans appear to be five times as sensitive to glutamate as mice, one jar of baby food may have been enough to do damage. Even if a jar did not contain enough to hurt most infants, MSG accumulates in the brain for hours after consumption. Therefore, infants may have been hurt after several jars eaten on the same day pushed brain glutamate to a critical level. The young can also be hurt by excitotoxins before they are born. Blaylock notes the danger of pregnant women drinking diet soda to restrict weight gain. Since hypoglycemia is known to exacerbate the effects of excitotoxins, I wonder about the routine glucose challenge test given to pregnant women, which often requires them to fast. The practice of denying the laboring woman, and thus her infant, food probably causes even more damage. The emerging infant under these conditions experiences hypoglycemia and oxygen deprivation together. Both will increase the toxicity of whatever excitotoxins are in its system from its mother's last meal. And in the U.S., that meal was likely to have contained a hefty dose. If the mother ate a " normal " diet, she consumed from 10-20 grams daily. If she ate out, a single dish may have contained 9.9 grams or more. The resulting blood levels from a 10 gram dose for a 110 pound person (me!) are comparable to those causing brain damage in mice. The author cautions particularly against chips, salad dressings, steak sauces, and gravies as well as including an appendix of misleading terms such as " natural flavoring " and " spices " which can be used to indicate MSG on food labels; nevertheless, the practical discussion of how to avoid excitotoxins in the diet was too sparse. Although Blaylock recommends another book, In Bad Taste: The MSG Syndrome by Schwartz for further information about dietary sources of MSG, for convenience, I wish he had included more information in this book. The book does not make the widespread use of MSG in restaurants graphically clear. For example, while preparing this review, I was surprised to discover from talking to a friend that she had always sprinkled MSG on the subs when she worked at a pizza place. Unlike the discussion of culinary uses of MSG, Blaylock's treatment of the neurodegenerative diseases is extensive and detailed. Although he believes dietary excitotoxins are not the primary causes of ALS, Huntingdon's, Parkinson's, and Alzheimer's, Blaylock notes that all these syndromes do involve the destruction of glutamate-type neurons. Therefore he recommends that anyone with these conditions or a hereditary disposition to them should avoid dietary exposures to excitotoxins, which might hasten their onset and progression. Other dietary factors affect excitotoxin toxicity. Magnesium and zinc deficiency greatly increase neural sensitivity to excitotoxins. Unfortunately 75% of adults in the U.S. have magnesium deficient diets according to a survey of 37,000 people conducted by the U.S. Department of Agriculture. The use of diuretics, alcohol, and colas cause an even further lowering of magnesium body levels by increasing excretion. Low magnesium levels have been linked to seizures in both humans and animals. Other nutrients exert a protective action by decreasing inflammation and free radical damage in the overstimulated neuron. Vitamin E decreases excitotoxin toxicity, and along with Deprenyl, slows the course of Parkinson's disease. The omega-3 fatty acids,(see Udo Erasmus Fats that Heal, Fats that Kill) deficient in the American diet and found in flax seeds and fish oils, are also suggested by Blaylock to be protective against excitotoxins. Many readers may find useful nutrition suggestions in the chapter, Other Neurological Disorders. Blaylock finds eliminating excitotoxins from the diets of migraine sufferers helpful, as well as supplementing 500mg. of magnesium gluconate daily for the first week, 250mg. thereafter. A migraine sufferer himself, he personally experienced the ability of low blood sugar to bring on migraines after exercise. For women who have migraines triggered by their menstrual period, he suggests fish oil capsules three times a day, with 400IU vitamin E daily. Additionally, diet may affect the neurons' ability to cope with overstimulation by blocking the energy producing enzymes in the neurons and astrocytes. Blaylock describes the enzyme deficiencies found in the glutamate- involving afflictions such as Alzheimer's. I would add that one inadvertant component of most Americans's diets, fluoride, has been shown to inhibit many enzymes, and is thought to inhibit cytochrome oxidase, an enzyme found to be deficient in most Alzheimer's patients. (see Yiamouyiannis, Fluoride: the Aging Factor) Another unseen addition to the diet, mercury toxicity, such as that caused by dental " silver " fillings, also affects enzymes involved in the energy producing cycle (see Fasciana, Are Your Dental Fillings Poisoning You?) In addition to the medical information about excitotoxins, Blaylock discusses the economic and social factors behind their continued use. G.D.Searle, the manufacturer of Nutrasweettm, sold 736 million dollars worth of it in1989, and spent 60 million dollars on advertising during its first three years of marketing. In 1972, 262,000 metric tons of MSG were produced. Part of the huge amount of income generated by these sales is spent on scientists who perform biased studies, designed to produce findings of no toxicity. In one study showing no brain damage, the experimenters administered the glutamate in such high doses the experimental animals vomited. No mention of the vomiting was made in the published data. The experimenters simultaneously gave the animals an anesthetic which was known to totally antidote glutamate's brain toxicity. Apparently not quite sure that these measures were adequate, the " scientists " chose a portion of the brain to examine that was known not to be affected by glutamate. This particular study has been repeatedly cited by the FDA as the basis for continuing to classify glutamate as " generally recognized as safe " . Blaylock's coverage of the politics of glutamate is fascinating. Some other issues of interest to me were not covered as well, if at all. The major absences I felt in the book were discussions of addictive or psychopharmicological effects of the excitotoxins, the safety of glutamine, the possibility, causes, and symptoms of a glutamate deficiency, the mechanism of the taste-enhancing effect, and an explanation of why humans absorb glutamine so much better than other animals. Nevertheless, I believe the book is worth the effort to buy and read. The discipline necessary to avoid these additives can only be increased by being thoroughly informed. Perhaps, like breastfeeding, this choice too has longlasting and profound benefits. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- by Breseis Gatto Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 1999 Report Share Posted March 5, 1999 Hi Dusan, Please can you elaborate on your statement: " MSG has been found to be more toxic than all other food toxins, poisons and allergens.!!! " Do you know how this was shown? Animal models? Cell/tissue culture? Clinical trials? Personal experiences? Other methods? Also, do you know where the information about the mechanism of MSG action in flavor enhancement was published? I'd like to have a copy of the research findings to read, Thanks for your time, SB >Reply-cures for canceregroups >Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 16:58:21 +0100 >eczemapsoriasisonelist, allergiesonelist, > asthmacuredonelist, colitiscrohnsonelist, > onelist, heartattackonelist, > dentalcleanseonelist >From: Dusan Stojkovic <dusan@...> >Cc: gallstonesonelist, bowel cleanseonelist, hypertensiononelist, > diabetescuredonelist, alzheimercuredonelist, > arthritiscuredonelist >Subject: MSG > > >A lot of this info is found in a book by R. Schwartz, MD a noted >toxicologist, " In Bad Taste, the MSG Syndrome " . > > >MSG = Mono Sodium Glutamat > > >MSG has been found to be more toxic than all other food toxins, poisons and >allergens.!!! > >Patients have stronger reactions to MSG than arsenic or mercury. > > >MSG is pervasively hidden under other names and aliases so as to go >undetected. > > > > > > >MSG is a sodium salt of Glutamic Acid, an amino acid and is a drug. It >acts as an excitatory neurotransmitter. It basically causes the nerve >cells to discharge an electrical impuls and that's the basis of its use as >a flavor enhancer. Food companies learned that MSG could increase the >flavor and aroma and enhance acceptability of commercial food products. > > >Equally important they learned that it could also uppress undesirable or > " off " flavors, bitterness, and sourness and eliminated the " tinny " taste of >canned foods. This is the reason food companies in general have no >intention of givin up MSG as an addiitive in their products. > >USA national consumption of MSG went from roughly one million pounds in >1950 to 300 times that amount today. > >Here's the bottom line: As the dose increases, every single human will >react to MSG at some point. At certain doses it becomes toxic enough to >cause illness. As with any poison, at higher doses, it is without >exception fatal. > > >Below is a partial list of the names in which MSG has been concealed in >order to be included in foods without disclosure: > >Accent, >Ajinomoto, >Autolyzed Yeast, >Bouillon, >Barley Malt, >Broth, >Calcium Caseinate, >Sodium Caseinate, >Flavorings, >Malt Extract, >Natural Flavors, >Natural Flavoring, >Natural Pork Flavoring, >Natural Beef Flavoring, >Natural Chicken Flavoring, >Natural Seasonings, >Gourmet Powder, >Glutavene, >Glutacyl, >Hydrolyzed Oat Flour, >Hydrolyzed Vegetable Protein (HVP), >Hydrolyzed milk protein, >Kombo Extract, >Mei-Jing, >RL-50, >Textured Protein, >Seasonings, >Subu, >Spices (sometimes). > > >The most common source is a frequently added product called " Natural >Flavors " . This product contains approx 40% MSG. This is what is meant by >hidden. > >You can get this toxin out of your life. It requires a return to fresh >fruits, vegetables, meats, fish, poultry and grains. It requires that you >avoid prepared or packaged foods, unless you have checked the list of >ingredients in everything you eat. > > >Dusan Stojkovic >Norway > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >eGroup of the Day: >Aframjews - a discussion group about African American Jews >http://offers./click/236/0 > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 1999 Report Share Posted March 6, 1999 You can find this info at: www.truthilabeling.org. e-mail:ADandJACK@... or write to: (encl.SASE) - I did - Truth in Labeling Campaigne PO Box 2532 Darien, Il. 60561 Ph. (312) 642-9333 They are also looking for voluntires to help them spread the truth. - I did - Regards, Sonja from Atlanta, USA Have a blessed day! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 1999 Report Share Posted March 6, 1999 I just sent conection for more info on MSG and I did make a mistake on the www addr.(forgot the " n " (for in) CORRECTION: www.truthinlabeing.org SORRY Regards, Sonja from Atlanta, USA Have a blessed day! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 1999 Report Share Posted March 6, 1999 Haste does make waste -- doesn't it ! Just read my own correction of the web site given for more info on MSG -- and noticed I MADE A MISTAKE AGAIN!! FOR REAL THIS TIME!! www.truthinlabeling.org Regards, Sonja from Atlanta, USA Have a blessed day! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 1999 Report Share Posted March 6, 1999 Just wondering - what about the millions of orientals who use MSG? Or do they? <>< Annette > " MSG has been found to be more toxic than all other food toxins, poisons >and allergens.!!! " >> >SB ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2001 Report Share Posted March 14, 2001 I By: Dr. Gloria Gilbere EHN web-posted by permission of Dr. Gilbere Kootenai Valley Times, October 20, 2000 The ever-expanding use of Monosodium Glutamate (MSG) is of great concern to the medical profession and health care practitioners like myself who specialize in working with people affected by chemicals from any source. I am, and have been, seriously reactive to MSG since childhood, when my Ïcomfort foodÓ became a popular brand of canned soups containing MSG. I developed acute migraine headaches and stomachaches, and no one ever suspected that a food additive was the trigger. MSG stimulates brain cell activity. It tricks your brain into thinking the food you are eating tastes good. Manufacturers can and do use inferior ingredients and thus make the product seem tastier. Inferior products and higher profits prevail at the expense of consumer health. MSG intolerance is not an allergic reaction, but a powerful drug reaction. Glutamate in the brain can be terribly destructive no matter where the grain glutamate comes from. The blood-brain barrier, once thought to rigorously restrict the flow of glutamic acid (glutamate) into the brain, is now understood to be leaky in places, thus causing the brain reaction or neurotoxic response. The age or physical condition of a person is irrelevant. Large numbers of consumers have complained to the FDA that when they ingest MSG, they experience reactions ranging from such things as simple skin rash, flushing of the face, extreme tiredness, bloating, abdominal cramping, hyperactivity in children, migraine headache, asthma attacks, irregular or pounding heartbeat, loss of consciousness, severe depression. These reactions are not experienced when they eat food that is unadulterated. MSG in its pure form must be labeled. When it is added as an ingredient of another substance it need not be listed on the label. Example: When broth is sold as broth, its ingredients must be listed on its label. However, when broth (or any other product) is used as an ingredient in something else, its ingredients do not have to be disclosed. The earlier these substances appear on a list of ingredients, the more likely they are to contain MSG. I advise avoiding all sources listed below. Definite Sources of MSG: Hydrolyzed Protein, Sodium Caseinate or Calcium Caseinate, Autolyzed Yeast, Yeast Extract, or Gelatin. Probable sources of MSG: Textured Protein, Carrageenan or Vegetable Gum, Seasonings or Spices, Flavorings or Natural Flavorings, Chicken, Beef, Port, Smoke Flavorings, Bouillon, Broth or Stock, Barley Malt, Malt Extract, Malt Flavoring, Whey Protein, Whey Protein Isolate or Concentrate Soy Protein, Soy Sauce or Extract. These lists are not all inclusive because new labeling deceptions are invented to confound the consumer. It is also recommended to eliminate aspartame (Nutrasweet) and sulfites from the diet. Drinks, candy, and chewing gum are also potential sources of hidden MSG. Also, aspartic acid, found in aspartame (Nutrasweet) ordinarily causes MSC type reactions in MSG sensitive people. Aspartame is found in some medications, INCLUDING CHILDREN'S MEDICATIONS. Check with your pharmacist. Binders and fillers for medications, nutrients, and supplements, both prescription and non-prescription, enteral feeding materials, and some fluids administered intravenously in hospitals contain MSG. Even some dental products contain MSG, check with your dentist. Learning impairment and endocrine disorders may be caused or made worse by early exposure to MSG. Obesity, reproductive disorders, and learning impairment that may only become obvious after puberty may have their origins in neuroendocrine dysfunction caused by exposure of infants and children to MSG. Remember, MSG is a drug. Be informed and learn to read labels. For more information log on to www.no-msg.com. If you or someone you know have any of the health conditions listed, or allergic reactions of unknown source, investigate if hidden sources of MSG could be the culprit. Remember, MSG is a destroyer of health. Choose to maintain your health, Naturally. from: http://users.lanminds.com/~wilworks/drgilbere/ggart12.htm Mum, this just came in from my Candida list, thought you might like to read it. /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Message: 13 Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 11:24:42 -0000 From: "D & WMcPhail" <dwmcphail@...> Subject: MSG info - off topic - but important for all By: Dr. Gloria Gilbere EHN web-posted by permission of Dr. Gilbere Kootenai Valley Times, October 20, 2000 The ever-expanding use of Monosodium Glutamate (MSG) is of great concern to the medical profession and health care practitioners like myself who specialize in working with people affected by chemicals from any source. I am, and have been, seriously reactive to MSG since childhood, when my Ïcomfort foodÓ became a popular brand of canned soups containing MSG. I developed acute migraine headaches and stomachaches, and no one ever suspected that a food additive was the trigger. MSG stimulates brain cell activity. It tricks your brain into thinking the food you are eating tastes good. Manufacturers can and do use inferior ingredients and thus make the product seem tastier. Inferior products and higher profits prevail at the expense of consumer health. MSG intolerance is not an allergic reaction, but a powerful drug reaction. Glutamate in the brain can be terribly destructive no matter where the grain glutamate comes from. The blood-brain barrier, once thought to rigorously restrict the flow of glutamic acid (glutamate) into the brain, is now understood to be leaky in places, thus causing the brain reaction or neurotoxic response. The age or physical condition of a person is irrelevant. Large numbers of consumers have complained to the FDA that when they ingest MSG, they experience reactions ranging from such things as simple skin rash, flushing of the face, extreme tiredness, bloating, abdominal cramping, hyperactivity in children, migraine headache, asthma attacks, irregular or pounding heartbeat, loss of consciousness, severe depression. These reactions are not experienced when they eat food that is unadulterated. MSG in its pure form must be labeled. When it is added as an ingredient of another substance it need not be listed on the label. Example: When broth is sold as broth, its ingredients must be listed on its label. However, when broth (or any other product) is used as an ingredient in something else, its ingredients do not have to be disclosed. The earlier these substances appear on a list of ingredients, the more likely they are to contain MSG. I advise avoiding all sources listed below. Definite Sources of MSG: Hydrolyzed Protein, Sodium Caseinate or Calcium Caseinate, Autolyzed Yeast, Yeast Extract, or Gelatin. Probable sources of MSG: Textured Protein, Carrageenan or Vegetable Gum, Seasonings or Spices, Flavorings or Natural Flavorings, Chicken, Beef, Port, Smoke Flavorings, Bouillon, Broth or Stock, Barley Malt, Malt Extract, Malt Flavoring, Whey Protein, Whey Protein Isolate or Concentrate Soy Protein, Soy Sauce or Extract. These lists are not all inclusive because new labeling deceptions are invented to confound the consumer. It is also recommended to eliminate aspartame (Nutrasweet) and sulfites from the diet. Drinks, candy, and chewing gum are also potential sources of hidden MSG. Also, aspartic acid, found in aspartame (Nutrasweet) ordinarily causes MSC type reactions in MSG sensitive people. Aspartame is found in some medications, INCLUDING CHILDREN'S MEDICATIONS. Check with your pharmacist. Binders and fillers for medications, nutrients, and supplements, both prescription and non-prescription, enteral feeding materials, and some fluids administered intravenously in hospitals contain MSG. Even some dental products contain MSG, check with your dentist. Learning impairment and endocrine disorders may be caused or made worse by early exposure to MSG. Obesity, reproductive disorders, and learning impairment that may only become obvious after puberty may have their origins in neuroendocrine dysfunction caused by exposure of infants and children to MSG. Remember, MSG is a drug. Be informed and learn to read labels. For more information log on to www.no-msg.com. If you or someone you know have any of the health conditions listed, or allergic reactions of unknown source, investigate if hidden sources of MSG could be the culprit. Remember, MSG is a destroyer of health. Choose to maintain your health, Naturally. from: http://users.lanminds.com/~wilworks/drgilbere/ggart12.htm /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ love, ------------/------------ Some people come into our lives and quickly go Leaving bruises and scars on our hearts Some stay awhile and leave gentle footprints Of love and respect on our hearts and souls And we are Never, Ever the same. 2001/03/14 20:00:31 CST Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2001 Report Share Posted August 16, 2001 Hi Vilik, Believe it or not, I just recently learned about the dangers of msg. I still don't get it all, but it's a BIG NO NO! Especially with the brain, so I would think that, yes, it would affect the sleeping paterns, and the nerves do affect the muscles. Now maybe one of the doctors in the group can jump in and tell you the science behind it. Trust your instincts. You're so smart, Vilik. :-) Gail MSG > > Does anyone know whether msg might cause sleeplessness and > fibromyalgia? > > Last night I went to a Chinese restaurant and forgot to tell > them to hold the msg. > > I hardly slept and ached badly today. Wondering if there is > a connection. > > ~^^V^^~ > > > OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and other alternative self-help subjects. > > THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE! > > This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find here are for information and research purposes only. We are people sharing information we believe in. If you act on ideas found here, you do so at your own risk. Self-help requires intelligence, common sense, and the ability to take responsibility for your own actions. By joining the list you agree to hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself. Do not use any ideas found here without consulting a medical professional, unless you are a researcher or health care provider. > > You can unsubscribe via e-mail by sending A NEW e-mail to the following address - NOT TO THE OXYPLUS LIST! - > DO NOT USE REPLY BUTTON & DO NOT PUT THIS IN THE SUBJECT LINE or BODY of the message! : > > oxyplus-unsubscribeegroups > > oxyplus-normalonelist - switch your subscription to normal mode. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2001 Report Share Posted August 17, 2001 Vilik, I suffer the same symptoms after Chinese. I try to avoid MSG, but I'm not sure I remember the primary reason..perhaps that's a symptom as well. Lash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2001 Report Share Posted August 20, 2001 Try a sublingual B12 (four squirts) BEFORE eating out. To be on the safe side, add some B6 too. Helps me a lot. jp MSG Does anyone know whether msg might cause sleeplessness and fibromyalgia? Last night I went to a Chinese restaurant and forgot to tell them to hold the msg. I hardly slept and ached badly today. Wondering if there is a connection. ~^^V^^~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2002 Report Share Posted May 27, 2002 That sounds right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2005 Report Share Posted April 10, 2005 Judy. You reached the Nourishing Traditions group. What is the group that is discussing the MSG? MSG Hi, I'm in the Nourishing Traditions group as well, and they are having a discussion about MSG forming in lacto-fermented foods. This really has concerned me as my daughter (19--still at home) is allergic to MSG and here I am trying to serve her more lacto-fermented foods. One lady in the group has completely stopped serving lactofermented foods to her kids. Does anyone here know anything about this? -----Judy _____ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2005 Report Share Posted April 11, 2005 Sure, Judy, please cut-n-paste that MSG information from the other site. About the only thing restricted here is " attachments " because they could contain hidden contaminants (or MSG-it's everywhere!). I'm on several other Traditonal Foods groups too, and, while I've gotten some valuable information, it's crucial to separate the wheat from the chaff, and much if it is alarmist " Chicken Little " chaff on the sites I go to. This matter of naturally-occurring MSG is of interest to me, and, I'm sure, many others here. Thanks for bringing it to our attention. Will Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2006 Report Share Posted August 10, 2006 cool dude ;0) ak --- soulpalace1 <soulpalace1@...> wrote: > Group...Could you all remove excess message answers > when replying so > it all doesn't build up. > Also, no messages about OTHER SUBJECTS! Please! > > Charlie > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 20, 2006 Report Share Posted November 20, 2006 Absolutely not tolerated here. will bite if given msg. Jane MSG I'm just wondering if everyone avoids MSG? I have a pretty bad reaction to it myself and have never let have it. I found some sausages that he will eat - rubbish Mattesons precooked crap sausages. He will not eat sausages that I cook, only ones that are preserved - the meat has to be a)pink and b)smooth. Anyway, I know lots of people avoid MSG but I'm wondering if anyone lets their kid have it without any apparent problems? Darla ~wishful thinker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2006 Report Share Posted December 19, 2006 Using the MSG-free Jarrow whey and selenium will reduce toxin load that is already in the body, which will produce more of sense of well-being. Using inulin will reduce toxin production in the bowel. An anti-aging program may help immeasurably. I have one here: http://tinyurl.com/8j6oq Duncan On 19 Dec 2006 at 8:46, Coconut Oil wrote: > > Posted by: " Stuck " Sstuck@... whiteroses56 > Date: Mon Dec 18, 2006 9:34 pm ((PST)) > > Here we go i brought up the ugly letters. Alli had her first filling > today and she was soo good, she asked to go to Chinese, so I took her > to this buffet that we haven't been to in years. HUGE mistake. > everything tasted gross and I was rushing to my MIl's bathroom down > the street and then have been totally PO'd the rest of the day talk > about short fuse. I did get some disturbing personal news but this is > ridiculous. I am thinking it's the High MSG content as i don't eat > Chinese much anymore at all. and as far as bad Chinese goes I don't > think i have had worse. I am just wondering if it is the food or is it > that I got the gazelle today and the huge rush of endorphins is > confusing me. even when it's " TTOTM " i am not this grouchy. I knew i > was mad and couldn't figure out why? Any ideas on what to do if this > happens again, yeah yeah i know stay away from MSG and that place, but > besides that... Thanks. Stuck > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2007 Report Share Posted October 5, 2007 In a message dated 10/5/2007 3:04:10 AM Pacific Daylight Time, SSRI medications writes: Even though MSG is not good for a person, I did not give up MSG. Why would you NOT give up this awful substance? This is the main reason I refuse to eat anything that comes out of a box, a can, or has been processed in any way. Our bodies weren't designed to process all the chemicals they put in processed food. No wonder we have such high cancer rates and obesity rates. " The greatest of follies is to sacrifice health for any other kind of happiness. " Arthur Schopenhauer ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2007 Report Share Posted October 5, 2007 I am afraid to be diagnosed with diabetes, yet there is a strong history of diabetes on both sides of my family and I have always been overweight. Now that I am 45, I have decided to do something about it. I am plotting everything I eat from " worst " to " best " on an anti-cancer/anti-diabetes food scale. MSG is in the " worst " list, along with aspartame, other artificial sweeteners, hydrogenated fat, all sodas, margarine, animal fats, high fructose corn syrup, other syrups, hard liquor, pastries/cakes/pies/doughnuts, and granulated sugar. I am eating tons more veggies, and avoiding processed foods and high-fructose corn syrup as much as possible. I drank about 1-liter of Dr. Pepper every day until 4 months ago. I stopped drinking all sodas, other carbonated water, and fruit drinks that are not 100% fruit juice. I drink black, unsweet tea (which I have always loved), skim milk (yuk), fruit juice and water. I am not a " dieter. " I am simply assessing what I eat and making a conscious decision before every meal and snack of where I want to have to plot this on my scale. The idea is that after 6-8 weeks of tracking what you normally eat, you will naturally have gravitated to the top of the scale for more and more of your choices, created new eating habits, and increased your awareness of which foods are poor choices. After a couple of months, you start to spread your eating out over 6 small meals & no snacks each day, rather than the " normal " 3 large meals + several snacks (and a " 4th meal " if you listen to Taco Bell). This is all done to try to prevent diabetes and cancer (foods high in antioxidants, etc. are highlighted in the scale due to their cancer-fighting properties). The scale was based on a diet that newly diagnosed diabetics use when they are trying to control their diabetes without insulin injections. Basically, you start to think and eat as though you are trying to control diabetes before you actually have it. Adopting these eating habits over several months help you make life-long changes, according to the people I know who used it. No foods are " verboten " with this eating plan, you just have to be honest and plot where everything you take in falls on the scale. Breakfast is the hardest for me. I am from Texas...breakfast tacos are as normal to me as Cheerios are to you. But seeing that tortilla receive only a " fair " rating is a real motivator for me to eat better for the rest of the day. So far, it has been very easy for me to use this method. I've only been doing it for 3 weeks, but I actually enjoy taking the time to plan my meals according to what is good for me rather than what's available. I don't care if I never lose a pound. I want to avoid diabetes. If I don't avoid diabetes, I will put myself at the mercy of the very quacks and mad scientists I hate so much. And even though weight loss is not my goal, I can already tell a difference in how I feel. I do not feel " bloated " and tired and my clothes and jewelry are looser. Anyway, that's my 2-cents worth on MSG and other crap in our food. Wish me luck in my " lifestyle " change! They won't get their hands on me if I can avoid it! Terry glitterari@... wrote: In a message dated 10/5/2007 3:04:10 AM Pacific Daylight Time, SSRI medications writes: Even though MSG is not good for a person, I did not give up MSG. Why would you NOT give up this awful substance? This is the main reason I refuse to eat anything that comes out of a box, a can, or has been processed in any way. Our bodies weren't designed to process all the chemicals they put in processed food. No wonder we have such high cancer rates and obesity rates. " The greatest of follies is to sacrifice health for any other kind of happiness. " Arthur Schopenhauer ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2007 Report Share Posted October 6, 2007 In a message dated 10/6/2007 2:55:02 AM Pacific Daylight Time, SSRI medications writes: MSG is in the " worst " list, along with aspartame, other artificial sweeteners, hydrogenated fat, all sodas, margarine, animal fats, high fructose corn syrup, other syrups, hard liquor, pastries/cakes/pies/doughnuts, and granulated sugar. I am eating tons more veggies, and avoiding processed foods and high-fructose corn syrup as much as possible. I've never eaten anything with those things in it. When you simply eliminate ALL packaged foods you automatically eliminate all of those things, which will kill you (and everyone else) eventually. The rule I have been living by for almost my entire life is " if it didn't exist 100 years ago, DON'T eat it! " Yes, it IS a lifestyle, and not a diet. I'm grateful for my mother and grandmother who taught me NEVER to eat anything that was manufactured, therefore I grew up eating nothing but fresh fruit, vegetables, and grains, along with fish, chicken, and sometimes meat. Everthing was always made from scratch. If keeping the list helps you change your eating patterns, that's great, but why not simply stop eating everything that has those chemicals added to it? As for Cheerios, UGH! I wouldn't touch those things with a ten-foot pole. I have a smoothie every single morning (eggs once a week, and in the winter steel cut oatmeal) that has kefir, blueberries, raspberries, coconut oil, kelp, almond milk, banana, and wheat germ oil, and a scoop of flaxseed. That keeps me full until dinner. If you have a history of diabetes in your family, isn't it because they all probably ate a terrible diet full of the things you listed above? GOOD LUCK! You CAN do this! And for all the right reasons but the most important one is that it will save your life! " The greatest of follies is to sacrifice health for any other kind of happiness. " Arthur Schopenhauer ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 8, 2007 Report Share Posted October 8, 2007 A real sobering datum on MSG: Obese rats do not exist in nature. When scientists want to study obese rats they inject MSG into them. Viola! Obese rats. Jim In a message dated 10/6/2007 2:55:02 AM Pacific Daylight Time, SSRI medications writes: MSG is in the " worst " list, along with aspartame, other artificial sweeteners, hydrogenated fat, all sodas, margarine, animal fats, high fructose corn syrup, other syrups, hard liquor, pastries/cakes/pies/doughnuts, and granulated sugar. I am eating tons more veggies, and avoiding processed foods and high-fructose corn syrup as much as possible. I've never eaten anything with those things in it. When you simply eliminate ALL packaged foods you automatically eliminate all of those things, which will kill you (and everyone else) eventually. The rule I have been living by for almost my entire life is " if it didn't exist 100 years ago, DON'T eat it! " Yes, it IS a lifestyle, and not a diet. I'm grateful for my mother and grandmother who taught me NEVER to eat anything that was manufactured, therefore I grew up eating nothing but fresh fruit, vegetables, and grains, along with fish, chicken, and sometimes meat. Everthing was always made from scratch. If keeping the list helps you change your eating patterns, that's great, but why not simply stop eating everything that has those chemicals added to it? As for Cheerios, UGH! I wouldn't touch those things with a ten-foot pole. I have a smoothie every single morning (eggs once a week, and in the winter steel cut oatmeal) that has kefir, blueberries, raspberries, coconut oil, kelp, almond milk, banana, and wheat germ oil, and a scoop of flaxseed. That keeps me full until dinner. If you have a history of diabetes in your family, isn't it because they all probably ate a terrible diet full of the things you listed above? GOOD LUCK! You CAN do this! And for all the right reasons but the most important one is that it will save your life! " The greatest of follies is to sacrifice health for any other kind of happiness. " Arthur Schopenhauer ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2007 Report Share Posted October 9, 2007 I read somewhere that m.s.g.makes you eat more so it's not the msg per se, but how it makes people consume more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2007 Report Share Posted October 9, 2007 I read somewhere that m.s.g.makes you eat more so it's not the msg per se, but how it makes people consume more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2007 Report Share Posted October 9, 2007 I read somewhere that m.s.g.makes you eat more so it's not the msg per se, but how it makes people consume more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2007 Report Share Posted October 9, 2007 I read somewhere that m.s.g.makes you eat more so it's not the msg per se, but how it makes people consume more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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