RE: Re: To : birth of kids and the downhill process

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Dear ,

I found what you said to be true for me. I started my downhill slide directly after the birth of my first child in 1984, low back pain, and pain running down my leg to the ball of my foot. That started my quest to find a doc that got what was wrong with me( 20 some docs later and 16 years later I got to Dr. Kumar and my diagnosis). So at least I can say this that you gals that come after me, have more of a shot at getting diagnosed quicker, and I'm glad I didn't accept " live with it" as many doc's told me and I trudged on looking for answers. I will say in my following two pregnancies I felt great while pregnant, no back pain or leg pain, and I wonder if carrying the child arranged my body in such a way that my spinal alignment was different thus the loss of the pain. I think then I would have stayed pregnant if it didn't result in more kids LOL, as I felt great then. But the pain always came back right after birth, and it stepped up a level.

[ ] Re: Hello.... I'm AJ> > > > Hi AJ,> > Welcome to the group. I am sorry you are experiencing problems with > your back right now. Many folks find that as time goes on the discs > below their fusion take a lot more of the "load" and it is not too > uncommon for people to develop degenerative disc disease at a fairly > young age. Others, unfortunately, end up with full blown flatback > fairly quickly after their surgery due to poor surgical technique or > positioning during that surgery. No one here is a doctor so you > should take all that with a grain of salt!> > Still, before I went the chiropracter route I would strongly > recommend you get yourself into the very best spine doctor you can > who has experience and specializes in adult scolisosis, deformity > and/or aging spine. The Scoliosis Research Society, based here in the > US, has a physician locator on their site (www.srs.org) to assist > folks in locating surgeons who have a particular interest in our > kinds of problems. In order to join this society at least 20% of > their practice is supposed to be devoted to scoliosis. Many of the > doctors also have specialized even further. I pulled down the current > listings for Singapore and got these 4 listings:> > Pesi B. Chacha, MD> Mount Medical Centre> 65 68363585> Chacha Ortho, Spine & Hand Surgery PTE L> 3 Mount #03-01/02> Singapore 228510> Singapore> Adolescent, Adult Scoliosis, Aging Spine, Degenerative Conditions, > Juvenile/Infantile> > Jimmy S. Daruwalla, MD> Daruwalla Orthopaedic, Spine & Hand Surgery> 65 68369290> 3 Mt #03-01> Mount Medical Center> Singapore 228510> Singapore> Adolescent, Adult Scoliosis, Aging Spine, Degenerative Conditions, > Juvenile/Infantile> > Chong-Tien Tan, MD> Island Spine and Scoliosis> 65-6737-5683> #06-03 Mt. Medical Centre> 3 Mt. > Singapore 228510> Singapore> Adolescent, Adult Scoliosis, Aging Spine, Degenerative Conditions, > Juvenile/Infantile> > Hee-Kit Wong, MD> Department of Orthopaedic Surgery> 65 67795555 / 4342> National University Hospital> Lower Kent Ridge Rd> Singapore 119074> Singapore> Adolescent, Adult Scoliosis, Aging Spine, Degenerative Conditions> > I am in no way recommending any one of them, just trying to point you > to a good starting place for further research.> > For most of us who have developed flatback, chiropractic care would > not be anything more than paliative treatment. Flatback is a > structural problem. The chance that a chiropracter could make things > worse for you exists as your spine does not have the mobility of an > an ufused spine does. Honestly, I have read that chiropracters claim > they can cure scoliosis, but my personal opinion (and others!)is that > is "bunk". I haven't read or seen any research that indicates that it > can do much more than keep a young patient comfortable while the > spine is growing. How much curve will exist once growth is complete > is a a mystery to most doctors...so a chiro claiming that they have > stopped the progression is kind of like someone claiming they saved a > tree from a lightning strike...maybe the curve would have progressed > to a serious/surgical state...and maybe it wouldn't have. I do think > the massage they give you will feel nice if your back is > hurting...but you might do just as well with a good masseuse or > physical therapist.> > Thats just my opinion as a patient. If you do decide to go ahead and > see a chiro I would bring your most recent set of xrays with you so > they can be examined and remind the chiro what will move in your > spine...and what will not.> > Sorry for the long post!> > Take Care, Cam>

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I had 5 pregnancies and I too felt great with them. No back pain. I do believe that it does align things differently. But It took it's toll after they were born.

D.

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Dear ,

I found what you said to be true for me. I started my downhill slide directly after the birth of my first child in 1984, low back pain, and pain running down my leg to the ball of my foot. That started my quest to find a doc that got what was wrong with me( 20 some docs later and 16 years later I got to Dr. Kumar and my diagnosis). So at least I can say this that you gals that come after me, have more of a shot at getting diagnosed quicker, and I'm glad I didn't accept " live with it" as many doc's told me and I trudged on looking for answers. I will say in my following two pregnancies I felt great while pregnant, no back pain or leg pain, and I wonder if carrying the child arranged my body in such a way that my spinal alignment was different thus the loss of the pain. I think then I would have stayed pregnant if it didn't result in more kids LOL, as I felt great then. But the pain always came back right after birth, and it stepped up a level.

[ ] Re: Hello.... I'm AJ> > > > Hi AJ,> > Welcome to the group. I am sorry you are experiencing problems with > your back right now. Many folks find that as time goes on the discs > below their fusion take a lot more of the "load" and it is not too > uncommon for people to develop degenerative disc disease at a fairly > young age. Others, unfortunately, end up with full blown flatback > fairly quickly after their surgery due to poor surgical technique or > positioning during that surgery. No one here is a doctor so you > should take all that with a grain of salt!> > Still, before I went the chiropracter route I would strongly > recommend you get yourself into the very best spine doctor you can > who has experience and specializes in adult scolisosis, deformity > and/or aging spine. The Scoliosis Research Society, based here in the > US, has a physician locator on their site (www.srs.org) to assist > folks in locating surgeons who have a particular interest in our > kinds of problems. In order to join this society at least 20% of > their practice is supposed to be devoted to scoliosis. Many of the > doctors also have specialized even further. I pulled down the current > listings for Singapore and got these 4 listings:> > Pesi B. Chacha, MD> Mount Medical Centre> 65 68363585> Chacha Ortho, Spine & Hand Surgery PTE L> 3 Mount #03-01/02> Singapore 228510> Singapore> Adolescent, Adult Scoliosis, Aging Spine, Degenerative Conditions, > Juvenile/Infantile> > Jimmy S. Daruwalla, MD> Daruwalla Orthopaedic, Spine & Hand Surgery> 65 68369290> 3 Mt #03-01> Mount Medical Center> Singapore 228510> Singapore> Adolescent, Adult Scoliosis, Aging Spine, Degenerative Conditions, > Juvenile/Infantile> > Chong-Tien Tan, MD> Island Spine and Scoliosis> 65-6737-5683> #06-03 Mt. Medical Centre> 3 Mt. > Singapore 228510> Singapore> Adolescent, Adult Scoliosis, Aging Spine, Degenerative Conditions, > Juvenile/Infantile> > Hee-Kit Wong, MD> Department of Orthopaedic Surgery> 65 67795555 / 4342> National University Hospital> Lower Kent Ridge Rd> Singapore 119074> Singapore> Adolescent, Adult Scoliosis, Aging Spine, Degenerative Conditions> > I am in no way recommending any one of them, just trying to point you > to a good starting place for further research.> > For most of us who have developed flatback, chiropractic care would > not be anything more than paliative treatment. Flatback is a > structural problem. The chance that a chiropracter could make things > worse for you exists as your spine does not have the mobility of an > an ufused spine does. Honestly, I have read that chiropracters claim > they can cure scoliosis, but my personal opinion (and others!)is that > is "bunk". I haven't read or seen any research that indicates that it > can do much more than keep a young patient comfortable while the > spine is growing. How much curve will exist once growth is complete > is a a mystery to most doctors...so a chiro claiming that they have > stopped the progression is kind of like someone claiming they saved a > tree from a lightning strike...maybe the curve would have progressed > to a serious/surgical state...and maybe it wouldn't have. I do think > the massage they give you will feel nice if your back is > hurting...but you might do just as well with a good masseuse or > physical therapist.> > Thats just my opinion as a patient. If you do decide to go ahead and > see a chiro I would bring your most recent set of xrays with you so > they can be examined and remind the chiro what will move in your > spine...and what will not.> > Sorry for the long post!> > Take Care, Cam>

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I believe hormones during pregnancy cause

a laxity in joints and muscles (in preparation for the birthing process). There

is greater blood volume and and nourishment to all parts of a woman’s

body. Other fluid levels (lubrication of joints, etc.) are also higher. Maybe I

should have stayed pregnant! J

From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of kelly debats

Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008

11:24 AM

Subject: Re: [ ]

Re: To : birth of kids and the downhill process

I had 5 pregnancies and I too felt great with

them. No back pain. I do believe that it does align

things differently. But It took it's toll after they were born.

D.

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: birth of kids and the downhill process

Dear ,

I found what you said to be true for me. I started my

downhill slide directly after the birth of my first child in 1984, low back

pain, and pain running down my leg to the ball of my foot. That started my

quest to find a doc that got what was wrong with me( 20 some docs later and

16 years later I got to Dr. Kumar and my diagnosis). So at least I can

say this that you gals that come after me, have more of a shot at getting

diagnosed quicker, and I'm glad I didn't accept " live with it " as

many doc's told me and I trudged on looking for answers. I will say in my

following two pregnancies I felt great while pregnant, no back pain or leg

pain, and I wonder if carrying the child arranged my body in such a way that

my spinal alignment was different thus the loss of the pain. I think then I

would have stayed pregnant if it didn't result in more kids LOL, as I felt

great then. But the pain always came back right after birth, and it stepped

up a level.

RE: [ ] Re: Hello.... I'm AJ

Good question! I was doing it 4 times per week, working out for about 90

minutes each time. That sounds like a lot, but it was slow going. My

treadmill has the rails on it, and I really rely on those for support and to

take pressure

[Guest guest]

How are you doing , 1+ years out?

From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf Of salomonwall

Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008

2:58 PM

To:

Subject: [ ] Re: To

: birth of kids and the downhill process

The same was true for me as well. I was doing very

well for many

years (approximately 20 following the time of my revision surgery).

After I had my first child, that is when the back pain began.

Nothing serious at first, but progressively worse over time. The

pregnancies themselves were fine, but it was the progressively

worsening situation which was the problem.

One thing interesting, with both of my pregnancies, both boys, I

gave birth prematurely. My first, I delivered 7 1/2 weeks early, and

my second was delivered almost 6 weeks early. I have always been

convinced that my earlier fusion surgery had to with that and that

my body was somehow not able to go full term. Fortunately, both boys

were a good weight when born so there was no need to stay longer in

the hospital or for any special treatments.

I have recently had revision surgery (Dec. 06), and this time I am

hoping that it will last longer than the original 20 years.

> >

> > A.J.

> >

> > Again, Welcome! I wholeheartedly concur with Cam

but

> would like

> > to add that I feel a couple of other modalities may make you

more

> > comfortable and relieve pain more long term than

chiropractics.

> Those are

> > things like Yoga and Pilates, as well as Rolfing or structural

> integration.

> > Structural integration (Rolfing) helps to stretch and lengthen

> tightened

> > ligaments/muscles/fascia that have tightened due to your

scoliosis.

> Yoga and

> > Pilates lengthen and strengthen your muscles, developing your

> critical core

> > muscles. With or without a future of additional surgery, it is

in

> your best

> > interest to get in your best physical shape ever.

> >

> > Keep us posted as you travel on your journey.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > _____

> >

> > From:

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> <mailto: %40>

> > [mailto:

> <mailto: %40>

> <mailto: %40>

> <mailto: %40> ] On Behalf Of

cammaltby

> > Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2008 3:05 AM

> >

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> > Subject: [ ] Re: Hello.... I'm AJ

> >

> >

> >

> > Hi AJ,

> >

> > Welcome to the group. I am sorry you are experiencing problems

with

> > your back right now. Many folks find that as time goes on the

discs

> > below their fusion take a lot more of the " load " and it is

not

too

> > uncommon for people to develop degenerative disc disease at a

> fairly

> > young age. Others, unfortunately, end up with full blown

flatback

> > fairly quickly after their surgery due to poor surgical

technique

> or

> > positioning during that surgery. No one here is a doctor so

you

> > should take all that with a grain of salt!

> >

> > Still, before I went the chiropracter route I would strongly

> > recommend you get yourself into the very best spine doctor you

can

> > who has experience and specializes in adult scolisosis,

deformity

> > and/or aging spine. The Scoliosis Research Society, based here

in

> the

> > US, has a physician locator on their site (www.srs.org) to

assist

> > folks in locating surgeons who have a particular interest in

our

> > kinds of problems. In order to join this society at least 20%

of

> > their practice is supposed to be devoted to scoliosis. Many of

the

> > doctors also have specialized even further. I pulled down the

> current

> > listings for Singapore

and got these 4 listings:

> >

> > Pesi B. Chacha, MD

> > Mount Medical Centre

> > 65 68363585

> > Chacha Ortho, Spine & Hand Surgery PTE L

> > 3 Mount

#03-01/02

> > Singapore

228510

> > Singapore

> > Adolescent, Adult Scoliosis, Aging Spine, Degenerative

Conditions,

> > Juvenile/Infantile

> >

> > Jimmy S. Daruwalla, MD

> > Daruwalla Orthopaedic, Spine & Hand Surgery

> > 65 68369290

> > 3 Mt

#03-01

> > Mount Medical

Center

> > Singapore

228510

> > Singapore

> > Adolescent, Adult Scoliosis, Aging Spine, Degenerative

Conditions,

> > Juvenile/Infantile

> >

> > Chong-Tien Tan, MD

> > Island Spine and Scoliosis

> > 65-6737-5683

> > #06-03 Mt. Medical Centre

> > 3 Mt.

> > Singapore

228510

> > Singapore

> > Adolescent, Adult Scoliosis, Aging Spine, Degenerative

Conditions,

> > Juvenile/Infantile

> >

> > Hee-Kit Wong, MD

> > Department of Orthopaedic Surgery

> > 65 67795555 / 4342

> > National

University Hospital

> > Lower Kent Ridge Rd

> > Singapore

119074

> > Singapore

> > Adolescent, Adult Scoliosis, Aging Spine, Degenerative

Conditions

> >

> > I am in no way recommending any one of them, just trying to

point

> you

> > to a good starting place for further research.

> >

> > For most of us who have developed flatback, chiropractic care

would

> > not be anything more than paliative treatment. Flatback is a

> > structural problem. The chance that a chiropracter could make

> things

> > worse for you exists as your spine does not have the mobility

of an

> > an ufused spine does. Honestly, I have read that chiropracters

> claim

> > they can cure scoliosis, but my personal opinion (and others!)

is

> that

> > is " bunk " . I haven't read or seen any research that

indicates

that

> it

> > can do much more than keep a young patient comfortable while

the

> > spine is growing. How much curve will exist once growth is

complete

> > is a a mystery to most doctors...so a chiro claiming that they

have

> > stopped the progression is kind of like someone claiming they

saved

> a

> > tree from a lightning strike...maybe the curve would have

> progressed

> > to a serious/surgical state...and maybe it wouldn't have. I do

> think

> > the massage they give you will feel nice if your back is

> > hurting...but you might do just as well with a good masseuse

or

> > physical therapist.

> >

> > Thats just my opinion as a patient. If you do decide to go

ahead

> and

> > see a chiro I would bring your most recent set of xrays with

you so

> > they can be examined and remind the chiro what will move in

your

> > spine...and what will not.

> >

> > Sorry for the long post!

> >

> > Take Care, Cam

> >

>

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Dear and ,

What both of you said makes sence to me, I didn't follow that pattern. I was very thankful that my pregnancies were easy for me, and that my normal back pain was gone, but my deliveries all were difficult, and I went opposite to both of you, a week or so late, good size babies, one being on the big side( 9lbs 14oz, 7lbs 6 oz, 8lbs 9oz). Two were C sections because the docs said the babies never engaged the pelvis right, so failure to progress, I'm good at getting to six and there I sat, forever. The other was my smallest baby at 7lbs 6 oz, managed to have him VBAC, doc said that was my personal limit size wise for me to deliver on my own. He was special besides that cause I had the chicken pox while in active labor, complete with fevers and breaking out, I was just covered in them. All are worth the struggle to have them, but do I think the pregnancies played a part in my back going downhill faster, yes.

[ ] Re: To : birth of kids and the downhill process

,How interesting - I felt the same. My girls were 3 1/2 and 4 1/2 weeks early. One was 5lb 10z, and the other was 5lb 3oz. I was so ready to give birth by the time I had them! I don't think I could have physically carried them to term. I have a pretty short torso due to my curves, so I don't think I would have had the room for them to get any bigger inside of me! >> One thing interesting, with both of my pregnancies, both boys, I > gave birth prematurely. My first, I delivered 7 1/2 weeks early, and > my second was delivered almost 6 weeks early. I have always been > convinced that my earlier fusion surgery had to with that and that > my body was somehow not able to go full term. Fortunately, both boys > were a good weight when born so there was no need to stay longer in > the hospital or for any special treatments. > I have recently had revision surgery (Dec. 06), and this time I am > hoping that it will last longer than the original 20 years. >