Plaque

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Some persons asked if Homozon removed plaque from

the bowels. Well I can say today, that I noticed some

dark black pieces that I passed today. It was stiff on the

dark side and lighter brown on the flip side. LOL

I don't know how much of this I have, I am sure there's

more to come.

What really pleases me is that I am getting results and I

am not taking it every day. Just a two week on and 1

week off. The key to this is to find your dosage. I am

still at 1 1/2 tsp. each evening. And thanks for the award!

But I couldn't have done this without Donna help.

LIZ

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I, for one, do NOT believe that tripe and mummery about so called " Plaque "

building up in one's colon. Unless it is abused, the colon is a very efficient

system for handling waste. It absorbs excess water in the waste that is dumped

into it from the small intestine, and uses " friendly " bacteria to process this

waste. When the appropriate time comes, it sends the waste on to the rectum,

where you become aware of it, and dispose of same. Only a grossly abused

colon would need to have anything like plaque removed. By abused, I mean, not

heading the signal to empty the rectum. This can cause a multitude of problems.

In small children who do not empty, they develop a condition called encopress

where the entire colon is full, and any thing dumped into it by the small

intestine is immediatly passed by the large amount of waste, to the rectum, and

is expelled without the " owner's " knowledge. It is a serious problem, and takes

medical professional help to " undo " . It can

take weeks, even MONTHS to " get passed it "

I am the Soodler!!

I Am TheSoodler

Artificial Intelligence is no match for Natural Stupidity.

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Very refreshing! I, too, am a doubter of the whole plaque theory. The

inside of the colon is very similar to the inside of the mouth. I

certainly don't have any plaque adhering to the insides of my cheeks.

That's not to say there aren't plenty of pathologies that warrant colon

cleansing, but I think plaque isn't one of them. Besides, as long as we

adhere to invalid theories, we remain blind to valid ones. Being a colon

hydrotherapist, I can attest to the many benefits of colon hydrotherapy

based on clinical experience. It would be so wonderful to actually see

some serious research into the exact mechanisms behind these therapeutic

effects. I, for one, like the Cayce theory of coordinating spiritual

forces as a great starting point. I offer this quote from one of his

readings to ponder:

" If periods appear when the eliminations are lacking through alimentary

canal (even with these stimulations to cerebrospinal as well as the

superficial circulation), then use colonic irrigations. Not just enemas,

but the internal bath; that it may make for the ability of the organs of

the system through their stimulated activity of the spiritual forces within

the application as well as within self to replenish. For all healing is of

a spiritual nature, whether it is the application from mechanical means,

medicinal, suggestive or what - or the laying on of hands. And these

characters as indicated are only to make for an activity to produce better

coordinating, cooperating of forces of all the reproductive system itself

as related to assimilation and distribution of assimilated forces, and to

keep the eliminations in balance. " (1678-1)

Cheers,

Robin

Plaque

I, for one, do NOT believe that tripe and mummery about so called " Plaque "

building up in one's colon. Unless it is abused, the colon is a very

efficient system for handling waste. It absorbs excess water in the waste

that is dumped into it from the small intestine, and uses " friendly "

bacteria to process this waste. When the appropriate time comes, it sends

the waste on to the rectum, where you become aware of it, and dispose of

same. Only a grossly abused colon would need to have anything like

plaque removed. By abused, I mean, not heading the signal to empty the

rectum. This can cause a multitude of problems. In small children who do

not empty, they develop a condition called encopress where the entire colon

is full, and any thing dumped into it by the small intestine is immediatly

passed by the large amount of waste, to the rectum, and is expelled without

the " owner's " knowledge. It is a serious problem, and takes medical

professional help to " undo " . It can

take weeks, even MONTHS to " get passed it "

I am the Soodler!!

I Am TheSoodler

Artificial Intelligence is no match for Natural Stupidity.

" Ko Ma To Nga Tamariki O Atua! "

" Arohamai, Aroha Kia Hau! "

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The stuff I've seen come out of me can be called plague, stuff, bowels or

whatever. I just know that I feel 100% better since I've gotten whatever it is

out. Was I an extreme case..... don't know. Some of the stuff looked like

" Aliens " . I was not regular and when something came out it did not look like

the shape of my colon...... Now it does.

Plaque

I, for one, do NOT believe that tripe and mummery about so called " Plaque "

building up in one's colon. Unless it is abused, the colon is a very

efficient system for handling waste. It absorbs excess water in the waste

that is dumped into it from the small intestine, and uses " friendly "

bacteria to process this waste. When the appropriate time comes, it sends

the waste on to the rectum, where you become aware of it, and dispose of

same. Only a grossly abused colon would need to have anything like

plaque removed. By abused, I mean, not heading the signal to empty the

rectum. This can cause a multitude of problems. In small children who do

not empty, they develop a condition called encopress where the entire colon

is full, and any thing dumped into it by the small intestine is immediatly

passed by the large amount of waste, to the rectum, and is expelled without

the " owner's " knowledge. It is a serious problem, and takes medical

professional help to " undo " . It can

take weeks, even MONTHS to " get passed it "

I am the Soodler!!

I Am TheSoodler

Artificial Intelligence is no match for Natural Stupidity.

" Ko Ma To Nga Tamariki O Atua! "

" Arohamai, Aroha Kia Hau! "

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[Guest guest]

Hi ,

What method did you use to successfully remove the " stuff " ?

Thanks,

Robin

Re: Plaque

The stuff I've seen come out of me can be called plague, stuff, bowels or

whatever. I just know that I feel 100% better since I've gotten whatever

it is out. Was I an extreme case..... don't know. Some of the stuff

looked like " Aliens " . I was not regular and when something came out it did

not look like the shape of my colon...... Now it does.

Plaque

I, for one, do NOT believe that tripe and mummery about so called

" Plaque "

building up in one's colon. Unless it is abused, the colon is a very

efficient system for handling waste. It absorbs excess water in the waste

that is dumped into it from the small intestine, and uses " friendly "

bacteria to process this waste. When the appropriate time comes, it sends

the waste on to the rectum, where you become aware of it, and dispose of

same. Only a grossly abused colon would need to have anything like

plaque removed. By abused, I mean, not heading the signal to empty the

rectum. This can cause a multitude of problems. In small children who do

not empty, they develop a condition called encopress where the entire

colon

is full, and any thing dumped into it by the small intestine is

immediatly

passed by the large amount of waste, to the rectum, and is expelled

without

the " owner's " knowledge. It is a serious problem, and takes medical

professional help to " undo " . It can

take weeks, even MONTHS to " get passed it "

I am the Soodler!!

I Am TheSoodler

Artificial Intelligence is no match for Natural Stupidity.

" Ko Ma To Nga Tamariki O Atua! "

" Arohamai, Aroha Kia Hau! "

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I've had about 9 colonics over the last four years. I use crushed and strained

garlic, lemon, apple cider vinegar enemas. I switch up with these three

periodically. I've read that the all three balance your hormone levels. I am

post menopausal and it has worked for me.

I've used the homozon powder, I've used the ionic foot bath and zapper. So its

safe to say that I have tried a lot of different things including the raw and

living foods regiment.

I've done about 8 gallbladder cleanses.

I think the enemas have been the best.

My hair is growing again, I'm not bloated, I can sleep all night and I don't eat

as much anymore. I had started eating so much that I could not believe myself.

I'm back to eating the portions that I was use to eating. I really think that

the " whatever " stuff that was in my colon was starting to fed on itself.

I use to get really bad cramps....... not anymore.

So that's my story.

Plaque

I, for one, do NOT believe that tripe and mummery about so called

" Plaque "

building up in one's colon. Unless it is abused, the colon is a very

efficient system for handling waste. It absorbs excess water in the waste

that is dumped into it from the small intestine, and uses " friendly "

bacteria to process this waste. When the appropriate time comes, it sends

the waste on to the rectum, where you become aware of it, and dispose of

same. Only a grossly abused colon would need to have anything like

plaque removed. By abused, I mean, not heading the signal to empty the

rectum. This can cause a multitude of problems. In small children who do

not empty, they develop a condition called encopress where the entire

colon

is full, and any thing dumped into it by the small intestine is

immediatly

passed by the large amount of waste, to the rectum, and is expelled

without

the " owner's " knowledge. It is a serious problem, and takes medical

professional help to " undo " . It can

take weeks, even MONTHS to " get passed it "

I am the Soodler!!

I Am TheSoodler

Artificial Intelligence is no match for Natural Stupidity.

" Ko Ma To Nga Tamariki O Atua! "

" Arohamai, Aroha Kia Hau! "

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,

Where did you hear or read about these different types of enemas?

Plaque

I, for one, do NOT believe that tripe and mummery about so called

" Plaque "

building up in one's colon. Unless it is abused, the colon is a very

efficient system for handling waste. It absorbs excess water in the waste

that is dumped into it from the small intestine, and uses " friendly "

bacteria to process this waste. When the appropriate time comes, it sends

the waste on to the rectum, where you become aware of it, and dispose of

same. Only a grossly abused colon would need to have anything like

plaque removed. By abused, I mean, not heading the signal to empty the

rectum. This can cause a multitude of problems. In small children who do

not empty, they develop a condition called encopress where the entire

colon

is full, and any thing dumped into it by the small intestine is

immediatly

passed by the large amount of waste, to the rectum, and is expelled

without

the " owner's " knowledge. It is a serious problem, and takes medical

professional help to " undo " . It can

take weeks, even MONTHS to " get passed it "

I am the Soodler!!

I Am TheSoodler

Artificial Intelligence is no match for Natural Stupidity.

" Ko Ma To Nga Tamariki O Atua! "

" Arohamai, Aroha Kia Hau! "

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>

> I, for one, do NOT believe that tripe and mummery about so

called " Plaque " building up in one's colon. Unless it is abused,

the colon is a very efficient system for handling waste. It absorbs

excess water in the waste that is dumped into it from the small

intestine, and uses " friendly " bacteria to process this waste. When

the appropriate time comes, it sends the waste on to the rectum,

where you become aware of it, and dispose of same. Only a grossly

abused colon would need to have anything like plaque removed. By

abused, I mean, not heading the signal to empty the rectum. This

can cause a multitude of problems. In small children who do not

empty, they develop a condition called encopress where the entire

colon is full, and any thing dumped into it by the small intestine

is immediatly passed by the large amount of waste, to the rectum,

and is expelled without the " owner's " knowledge. It is a serious

problem, and takes medical professional help to " undo " . It can

> take weeks, even MONTHS to " get passed it "

> I am the Soodler!!

>

>

> I Am TheSoodler

> Artificial Intelligence is no match for Natural Stupidity.

> " Ko Ma To Nga Tamariki O Atua! "

> " Arohamai, Aroha Kia Hau! "

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[Guest guest]

On 1/3/2008, " thesooodler " (thesoodler@...) wrote:

>> I, for one, do NOT believe that tripe and mummery about so called

>> " Plaque " building up in one's colon.

Then " " msjenwilson@... responded:

> The stuff I've seen come out of me can be called plague, stuff,

> bowels or whatever. I just know that I feel 100% better since I've

> gotten whatever it is out.

First, the plaque doesn't build up in the COLON, it builds up in the

SMALL INTESTINE. It amazes me that people discuss 'colon cleasning'

without making the distinction. Enemas only reach the lower part of the

colon... 'High enemas' can reach the full colon, and 'colonics' are

essentially just a 'continuous high enema' for the duration of the colonic.

I only recommend enemas and colonics for extreme cases where immediate

relief is needed and the colon is NOT doing its job.

The best way to cleanse the colon is to cleanse the entire digestive

tract, mouth to anus, and the best way to do that is using a combination

of different things. There are two cardinal rules that you must follow

if you want to be successful in doing any serious cleaning program:

1. GET THE BOWELS MOVING FIRST.

Don't begin any serious cleansing program - this includes herbal, clay,

charcoal, or any combination thereof - without first making sure your

bowels are moving regularly. Regularly means at least 3-4 bowel

movements a day, and in GENERAL (not everyone is the same), you should

have one bowel movement upon arising, and one bowel movement within an

hour AFTER each meal.

Dr. Schulze's program/products are what I use personally and recommend,

and I generalized these two rules are from his program, although he

didn't (and doesn't claim to have) originate(d) the idea. His Intestinal

Formula #1 is an herbal product designed to 'get the bowels moving', and

you stay on this product, increasing the dosage each day, until you

accomplish this. Then, and only then, do you move on to the real cleansing.

http://www.herbdoc.com/p22.asp

This is critical, because this is the main elimination pathway, and if

it isn't working properly, then the toxins that are released during a

cleanse will not have anywhere to go, and you WILL wind up sicker than

before - even to the point of being life threatening, in some cases.

2. KEEP THE BOWELS MOVING.

Once the bowels are moving, and you have started the cleanse, it is now

vitally important to make sure they stay that way. You should normally

be able to keep them moving by simply adjusting the amount of water you

drink in between meals (don't drink WITH meals), but you can use

products like homozon for cases where they may get temporarily stuck due

to things like 'too much clay and not enough water', etc.

Once you are at step 2, you are strongly encouraged to do a series of

liver/gall bladder cleanses. The liver is responsible for pretty much

every bio-chemical process in your body, and its proper funtioning is

second in importance only to the digestive tract, for proper health.

Everything after this is just gravy... 99.99% of all health problems

vanish just by PROPERLY cleansing the digestive tract and the liver/gall

bladder.

Of course, all of this is for naught if you don't change your lifestyle,

which is what got you sick in the first place.

For this, I highly recommend learning about 'Metabolic Typing', becasue

this is the way to discover what are the proper foods you should be eating.

Here is a link to a free mini-course that supposedly helps you to

determine it, but I haven't taken it yet (just signed up).

http://www.youngafter50.com

There are other sources (google is your friend) for learning about it

and how to determine yours.

It is *similar* to 'the blood type diet' that you may have heard of, but

it addresses the cases that don't respond to the blood type diet. Every

person metabolic type is unique, and you cannot go by blood type alone.

Sometimes it is as simple as removing one food that you are eating

(potatos, grains, etc). Some people NEED animal proteins, some don't...

it is best to find out.

[Guest guest]

No to be confrontational, Simon, but I'd like to counter a few of your

points with some of my own thoughts and information from the Cayce

readings. Of course we all have our favorite gurus. I'm just sharing

information to educate and offer options so folks can choose the path that

is right for them. I've capitalized your comments for easy reference.

" I only recommend enemas and colonics for extreme cases where immediate

relief is needed and the colon is NOT doing its job. "

Here are a few quotes from the Cayce readings:

In response to the question " How often should I take an internal bath? "

(A) " These should be taken until the pressure across the transverse colon

is removed, or - if taken in this manner - we would find relief in a few

treatments; five to six:

With the first two quarts of tepid water put a level tablespoonful of salt

and two level tablespoonsful of baking soda. In the last quart (or rinsing

water), after the first has been cleansed and ejected, use a teaspoonful of

Glyco-Thymoline and a teaspoonful of Milk of Bismuth. This will make for

healing and for the tendency of CLEANSING the walls of the colon; this in

the pockets is that that has NOT as yet been removed. A massage while the

bath is being taken, across the lower portion of the bowel or across the

colon, gently given, would be well. " (69-3)

In response to the question: " Do you advise the use of colonics or Epsom

Salts baths for the body? "

(A) " When these are necessary, yes. For, EVERY one - everybody - should

take an internal bath occasionally, as well as an external one. They would

all be better off if they would! " (440-2)

In response to the question " How often should the hydrotherapy be given? "

(A) " Dependent upon the general conditions. Whenever there is a

sluggishness, the feeling of heaviness, oversleepiness, the tendency for an

achy, draggy feeling, then have the treatments. This does not mean that

merely because there is the daily activity of the alimentary canal there is

no need for flushing the system. But whenever there is the feeling of

sluggishness, have the treatments. It'll pick the body up. For there is a

need for such treatments when the condition of the body becomes drugged

because of absorption of poisons through alimentary canal or colon,

sluggishness of liver or kidneys, and there is the lack of coordination

with the cerebrospinal and sympathetic blood supply and nerves. For the

hydrotherapy and massage are preventive as well as curative measures. For

the cleansing of the system allows the body-forces themselves to function

normally, and thus eliminate poisons, congestions and conditions that would

become acute through the body. " (257-254)

" Regularly means at least 3-4 bowel

movements a day... "

Cayce recommended 1 to 2 thorough eliminations each day. I offer the

following quotes from the readings:

Each day there must be at least one or two eliminations from the alimentary

canal - or bowel movement. (1594-3)

In response to the question " Are the eliminations satisfactory? or should

there be more than one bowel movement each day? "

(A) Not unless there is over-indulgence; or cold, or congestion should

arise. (2015-5)

In response to the question " What can body do to make bowels move easily

and regularly, and how often should this body eliminate daily? "

(A) Once at least, thoroughly, or twice - preferably - for eliminations.

(276-10)

" Dr. Schulze's program/products are what I use personally and recommend,

and I generalized these two rules are from his program, although he

didn't (and doesn't claim to have) originate(d) the idea. His Intestinal

Formula #1 is an herbal product designed to 'get the bowels moving', and

you stay on this product, increasing the dosage each day, until you

accomplish this. Then, and only then, do you move on to the real

cleansing. "

First, let me offer the Ingredients of Dr. Schulze's Formula #1 -

Curacao and Cape Aloe leaf, Aloe barbadensis and Aloe capensis or ferox,

Senna leaves and pods, Cassia angustifolia, Cascara Sagrada aged bark,

Rhamnus purshiana, Barberry root bark, Berberis vulgaris, Ginger rhizome,

Zingiber officinalis, Garlic bulb, Allium sativum, and Habanero peppers,

Capsicum species.

I have had several clients come to me completely dependent on this formula

or other " natural " herbal laxatives. Gershon, MD, in his book " The

Second Brain, " gives and excellent treatment of the topic of laxatives. He

is clear that laxatives can cause enteric nerve cell death. I offer the

following quote:

" At autopsy, the enteric nervous system of a chronic laxative abuser can

look very much like the fields of Agincourt after Henry V finished dealing

with the French army, a turf littered with he rotting remains of dead

soldiers. The soldiers in the bowel, or course, are fallen enteric nerve

cells, scarified for the cause of " regularity. " "

Enteric nerve cell death is certainly not life threatening, but as any wine

(also a nerve cell killer) drinker can tell you, moderation is a good idea.

Here are some insights from Cayce:

In response to the question, " Should the body take something every day for

bowel movement? "

(A) " The more often we find it would be better to use the irrigations than

to take cathartics. However, the oils or the fruit juices and those things

that will act WITH the system, WITH the applications, would be well when

necessary. Do not allow the conditions in the system to become so the

eliminations through the regular channels are NOT carried on, as the

drainages are set up. So, when it becomes necessary, take 'em. But it is

preferable to use the Russian Oils, or the oils that make for more easy

activity in the system, and enemas, rather than cathartics. " (325-62)

In response to the question, " Should anything be given to help bowels, on

days there is no movement? "

(A) " Be more careful with the foods; that these may tend to MAKE for

greater or an increased activity in bowel movement, without being of the

nature as to produce the spasmodic reaction of the lymph circulation. Or,

those foods that are laxative in their reaction. " (1069-3)

In response to the question, " How often should an enema be taken? "

(A) " When it is necessary. It is well, in most instances, to have a good

colonic irrigation after any cathartic or laxative has been taken. This

merely aids in purifying the colon area. Don't neglect these for lack of

time. Take time to have such administrations. " (257-251)

The following response to the question " Should I take any liquid medicines

after I take such as Inner Clean? " is a bit lengthy, but well worth the

read to understand how laxatives effect more than just the alimentary

canal.

(A) " As indicated, such medicines - whether Inner Clean, a liquid or a

pellet or a tea, or a syrup - are merely to set up better circulation so

that poisons are eliminated. The greater amount of drosses of all natures,

as the common sense knows if giving it consideration, are carried through

the alimentary canal. These are not the ONLY sources; for the kidneys, the

breath, the perspiratory system also eliminate certain drosses or poisons.

But the greater amount, - seventy-four percent, - is usually eliminated

through alimentary canal.

Then, as indicated, there are times when, - as in throat, nasal passages,

or some indicated disturbance through some portion of the body is seen, or

a feeling as of nausea or dizziness. These indicate some toxic condition of

a functioning organ, and the necessary stimulating of the activities of the

functioning system by a laxative or cathartic.

There are other times when the same natures indicated that properties are

needed that will aid in stimulating a better flow through the activities of

the kidneys. Thus, as indicated, the alternation of these varied

properties, naturally, have their activity upon the varied portions of

functioning system. And thus when only ONE is taken there becomes the

waiting, depending upon, becoming subservient to an expected flow of some

activity as produced by the particular element.

But, as indicated, for this body the vegetable compounds are preferable.

Now, as may be seen in the activity of the senna base, - these are active

principles that increase not only the flow of lymph through alimentary

canal, thus flushing the system, but induce a better flow through the

activity of the kidneys, the liver, and upon the respiratory system. But if

this were taken ONLY, and just greater doses taken, gradually the effect of

this lessens, and there is the dependence upon such for the activity of the

organs themselves, that should secrete those possibilities of purifying or

cleansing themselves. Thus other properties, as the vegetable compounds

that act in such as herbs, teas, or the like, which causes a different

effect upon even these same organs, - making a greater stress upon other

portions of functioning organs.

Hence when these are used, let them be used sensibly. Of course, as the

body understands, these only throw greater amounts of poisons, from the

functioning organs and the alimentary canal, into the colon proper. These

are not always eliminated from same. Thus a colonic or enema enables the

colon to be purified, thus causing a coordinating throughout the body. "

(257-251)

" 99.99% of all health problems vanish just by PROPERLY cleansing the

digestive tract and the liver/gall bladder. "

I couldn't agree more; however, I have found the 3-day apple diet an

excellent and safe cleansing protocol. The following quotes from Cayce

were all in reference to doing a 3-day apple cleanse::

" ?three days of raw apples only, and then olive oil, and we will cleanse

ALL toxic forces from any system! " (820-2)

" This is to change the activity through the whole alimentary canal. "

(3673-1)

" ?these cleansings will prevent the accumulations of gas, the pressures

that make for the neuritis through portions of the body. " (307-14)

" ?this would remove fecal matter that hasn't been removed for some time!

But it will certainly indicate there is no tape worm. " (567-7)

" These, as we find, will remove the tendencies for cricks in portions of

the body; stiffness in the feet, hands, and limbs at times. " (780-12)

" For this will get rid of the tendencies for neuritic conditions in the

joints of the body. " (1409-9)

" This would cleanse the system from the impurities, preventing the

inclinations for gas formation and for this regurgitation that is taking

place in the lower portion of the duodenum. " (1713-21)

" This is to cleanse the activities of the liver, the kidneys, and the whole

system? " (1850-3)

" For this, I highly recommend learning about 'Metabolic Typing', because

this is the way to discover what are the proper foods you should be

eating. "

I also agree that performing a cleansing without a lifestyle change is

nearly pointless, but I have found Cayce's recommendations of an alkaline

forming diet of whole, natural, unprocessed foods goes a long way to

restoring one's health. There are some excellent books on this topic -

" Alkalize or Die " by Dr. Theodore A. Baroody, " Acid & Alkaline " by Herman

Aihara, and " Nourishing the Body Temple " by Simone Gabbay to name a few of

them. There are also a few other things besides cleansing and dietary

changes that should be taken into consideration when trying to restore your

health. Attitudes, emotions, physical activities, sunlight exposure, rest,

relaxation, and sleep all play very key roles as well.

May this information be useful to all of you in bringing about a happy,

healthy, and lavishly blessed 2008 and beyond!

Cheers,

Robin

P.S. For those of you who would like to look a little deeper into how the

mind of Edgar Cayce worked when looking at a physical condition, I offer

the entire text of this reading as a very good example:

TEXT OF READING 2267-1 M ADULT

This psychic reading given by Edgar Cayce at his office, 115 West 35th

Street, Virginia Beach, Va., this 30th day of April, 1930, in accordance

with request made by self, through his son-in-law, Mr. [...].

P R E S E N T

Edgar Cayce; Mrs. Cayce, Conductor; Gladys , Steno. Mr. [2267] and

Wife and Son-In-Law.

R E A D I N G

Time of Reading 11:00 A. M. Eastern Standard Time. ..., Virginia. (Physical

Suggestion)

1. EC: Yes, we have the body here - [2267]. Now, we find there are

disturbing conditions in the physical forces of the body. These, as we

find, have to do with the effect produced in the system from the character

of eliminations as have been manifest in the body. These being of specific

natures, especially as to the nerve ends in the muscular forces in the

locomotion of the body; yet there are deeper seated causes - these having

to do with specific conditions as have been gradually builded in the system

by that of a continued ACID condition existent in the digestive system, and

the effects - as we shall find - have much to do with the FUNCTIONING of

various organs.

2. These, then, are conditions as we find them with this body, [2267] we

are speaking of, present in this room:

3. IN THE BLOOD SUPPLY, this, we find, shows the character of the

eliminations, as well as the acid condition as exists in the DIGESTIVE

system; also the disturbances as are brought in the liver by this

condition, so that the functioning of the organ ITSELF is hindered in a

portion of ITS functioning. The pressure as produced in the blood supply

has SOMETHING to do with that of the heart's action, though no ORGANIC

condition there, other than FUNCTIONAL, produced by the character of the

blood supply itself.

4. IN THE NERVE SYSTEM, here we find the greater distress. This, however,

is not the seat or the CAUSE of the condition; rather the RESULTS OF the

disturbance as is manifested in the system, in the functioning of organs,

in the blood stream. In the EFFECT, we find that of muscular contraction

that causes acute pain in the ends of muscular forces, where nerve ends or

nerve branches pass through - as is seen in the lower lumbar region - that

affect directly the muscular and nerve supply to the right lower limb; also

the contraction as comes FROM same through the functioning of the

locomotary centers in the lower portion of the body here. In the specific

CONDITIONS produced, these - naturally - with their contraction, bring

muscular forces in contraction throughout the UPPER portion, across the

lower lumbar or SMALL of back, through the reflex to the capillary, and

those of the brachial center, or across the shoulders and hips here - these

bring for the system that of a very low, or very poor, CAPILLARY

circulation. Hence the inability of the system to function in a normal

manner in this direction.

5. IN THE FUNCTIONING OF THE ORGANS THEMSELVES, the disturbance, as we

find, not only affects those of the organs of ELIMINATION, but the organs

of ASSIMILATION. Hence the NAUSEA that comes at times when it is the period

for food; yet the CRAVING for foods to supply the needs of the system is as

the CONDITIONS represent by the FUNCTIONING of the organs of digestion. No

condition exists, as we would find, that produces too MUCH OF other than

acid in the system. There is a condition of prolapsus in the ascending

colon. Hence toxemia HAS BEEN the RESULT of same. These conditions

gradually thrown back into the system affect, then, the system in the

manner as has been indicated.

6. In meeting the needs of the conditions at the present, would be well

were the conditions as PRODUCE or CAUSE the condition to be eliminated now.

While there may be given those specifics that will TEMPORARILY bring

relief; yet these may be given and the SEAT or CAUSE of conditions

eliminated from the system entirely.

7. Then, we would REST as MUCH as lies WITHIN the body to do, though there

is the NECESSITY for the body to be in motion - through the acute PAIN as

is produced at times.

8. These, we find, will be better alleviated by applying HEAT, LOCALLY, and

to BATHE those portions as are IN pain - as across small of back and

through the region of the upper portion of the sciatic nerve - with equal

parts of those as will BRING the relief to the body - the form of the opium

(Only put on not taken internally!) and aconite. This, added to one

another, will BLISTER - will there be too MUCH heat applied, but this added

in PROPER proportions will, with heat applied, bring the relief, as

temporary relief, but we would then begin with the ELIMINATIONS through the

system, stimulating the liver to activity through the application of those

exterior applications that will act as counter irritant to the system;

using, then, hot packs of the castor oil. Also we would use those of the

high enema, or the colonic irrigation, that we may remove the mucus from

those portions where the prolapsus has CAUSED the basis of the irritation,

and sufficient of the manipulations given - osteopathically - that the

COORDINATION of the muscular and nerve forces MAY be relieved, with the

reactions that are produced by the exterior applications.

9. The diet should not be of any other than the vegetable and the laxative

diet during this period, and especially those that are of the alkalin

reaction.

10. Well that at least twenty grains of bicarbonate of soda be taken during

a day. This may be taken in small quantities once or twice, or THREE times

even, each day.

11. These, we find, would eliminate - within a week or ten days - the

conditions from this system. Ready for questions.

12. (Q) What opium should be used with the aconite, and what proportion?

(A) Those of laudanum and aconite. The proportions should be one part of

the laudanum, one part of aconite, and five parts of the alcohol.

13. (Q) How often should this be used?

(A) This should be used until there is the relief of the acute pains in the

hip and lower limb.

14. (Q) What form of heat should be applied with this? the lights, or

other?

(A) PREFERABLY, those that will hold the dry heat, as of electric pad - or

those of heated salt.

15. (Q) How often should colonic irrigation be given?

(A) Once a week, or twice a week the first week and then - for at least a

month or six weeks - they should be given ONCE a week.

16. (Q) How often manipulations?

(A) At least two or three times a day, until the system is in a BETTERED

condition, or until the ACUTE condition has been removed.

17. (Q) How long at a time should the castor oil packs be used, and how

often?

(A) Once a day until there is a thorough elimination or evacuation of the

UPPER BOWEL. Colonics will REMOVE that in the lower, to be sure - but the

system's reaction must be through that congestion as in liver and in

spleen.

18. (Q) Would this condition necessarily cause constipation?

(A) THAT the BASIS of the condition! Prolapsus in the ascending colon! This

the basis or the seat, or the condition that IS to be REMOVED if PERMANENT

relief is to be had! Hence the colonics and the manipulation and the packs.

These are to form the basis for the functioning ORGANS to ADJUST themselves

to changes as will be brought in system. Hence the body should take the

TIME to get the condition in the system adjusted, other than just

temporarily being relieved. The applications of the heat and of the

opiates, externally applied, will bring TEMPORARY relief - but that of the

prolapsus in the COLON will GRADUALLY be magnified, UNLESS this is

corrected! DO that. We are through for the present.

Re: Plaque

On 1/3/2008, " thesooodler " (thesoodler@...) wrote:

>> I, for one, do NOT believe that tripe and mummery about so called

>> " Plaque " building up in one's colon.

Then " " msjenwilson@... responded:

> The stuff I've seen come out of me can be called plague, stuff,

> bowels or whatever. I just know that I feel 100% better since I've

> gotten whatever it is out.

First, the plaque doesn't build up in the COLON, it builds up in the

SMALL INTESTINE. It amazes me that people discuss 'colon cleasning'

without making the distinction. Enemas only reach the lower part of the

colon... 'High enemas' can reach the full colon, and 'colonics' are

essentially just a 'continuous high enema' for the duration of the colonic.

I only recommend enemas and colonics for extreme cases where immediate

relief is needed and the colon is NOT doing its job.

The best way to cleanse the colon is to cleanse the entire digestive

tract, mouth to anus, and the best way to do that is using a combination

of different things. There are two cardinal rules that you must follow

if you want to be successful in doing any serious cleaning program:

1. GET THE BOWELS MOVING FIRST.

Don't begin any serious cleansing program - this includes herbal, clay,

charcoal, or any combination thereof - without first making sure your

bowels are moving regularly. Regularly means at least 3-4 bowel

movements a day, and in GENERAL (not everyone is the same), you should

have one bowel movement upon arising, and one bowel movement within an

hour AFTER each meal.

Dr. Schulze's program/products are what I use personally and recommend,

and I generalized these two rules are from his program, although he

didn't (and doesn't claim to have) originate(d) the idea. His Intestinal

Formula #1 is an herbal product designed to 'get the bowels moving', and

you stay on this product, increasing the dosage each day, until you

accomplish this. Then, and only then, do you move on to the real cleansing.

http://www.herbdoc.com/p22.asp

This is critical, because this is the main elimination pathway, and if

it isn't working properly, then the toxins that are released during a

cleanse will not have anywhere to go, and you WILL wind up sicker than

before - even to the point of being life threatening, in some cases.

2. KEEP THE BOWELS MOVING.

Once the bowels are moving, and you have started the cleanse, it is now

vitally important to make sure they stay that way. You should normally

be able to keep them moving by simply adjusting the amount of water you

drink in between meals (don't drink WITH meals), but you can use

products like homozon for cases where they may get temporarily stuck due

to things like 'too much clay and not enough water', etc.

Once you are at step 2, you are strongly encouraged to do a series of

liver/gall bladder cleanses. The liver is responsible for pretty much

every bio-chemical process in your body, and its proper funtioning is

second in importance only to the digestive tract, for proper health.

Everything after this is just gravy... 99.99% of all health problems

vanish just by PROPERLY cleansing the digestive tract and the liver/gall

bladder.

Of course, all of this is for naught if you don't change your lifestyle,

which is what got you sick in the first place.

For this, I highly recommend learning about 'Metabolic Typing', becasue

this is the way to discover what are the proper foods you should be eating.

Here is a link to a free mini-course that supposedly helps you to

determine it, but I haven't taken it yet (just signed up).

http://www.youngafter50.com

There are other sources (google is your friend) for learning about it

and how to determine yours.

It is *similar* to 'the blood type diet' that you may have heard of, but

it addresses the cases that don't respond to the blood type diet. Every

person metabolic type is unique, and you cannot go by blood type alone.

Sometimes it is as simple as removing one food that you are eating

(potatos, grains, etc). Some people NEED animal proteins, some don't...

it is best to find out.

<< File: ATT00179.htm >>

[Guest guest]

On 1/6/2008, " Jolene a van Horn " (joakabridgefreak@...) wrote:

> I have NEVER seen this so called plaque. In fact the last time I

> had a colonoscopy, my GI said he has never seen such a clean and

> healthy colon!! NO PLAQUE HERE!!!

That's because a colonoscopy only looks at - surprise! - the COLON. The

plaque is in the small intestine.

> On the other hand,if I stopped the colonics or enemas, I would really

> be in trouble as my colon is nuerogenic and needs to be

> stimulated!!!

Relying on colonics long term will only cause MORE problems. It is

IMPOSSIBLE for the flora to even establish themselves, much less

maintain balance, when you are constantly washing them all away with

colonics.

Also - the BAD flora are much better at 'taking over' - so it is very

important to take lots of good probiotics (I like 'Primal Defense'

myself). You should take it orally, and as an implant after each colonic.

> I actaully prefer the colonic as opposed to an enema as most of the

> time, I get LOTS of cramping!! I had a bag and HATED it so much I

> begged them to reverse it and they did but told me I would need

> enemas the rest of my life. Compared to the ostomy the enemas or

> colonics are nothing!!! I think of these as just bathing my colon and

> they are a part of life for me as taking a bath would be for

> anyone. Oral laxitives do not work for me one bit!! I was wondering if

> anyone knows of a good ORAL cleanse?????? some days I do not feel like

> taking enema!!! THANX!!

There are lots of decent ones out there, but the two I like best are Dr

Schulzes program, and the Arise-n-Shone program. I actually do a

combination of the two...

I used to believe like you that cleansing the colon often was a good

thing - but have since learned better.

Again - I'm NOT saying you should never take a colonic or enema - I am

simply saying that these should NOT be used on a regular basis - unless

by regular you mean once a month, or once a quarter, or once a year, or

something like that.

A series of colonics, when beginning a new health regimen, is highly

encouraged - as long as you understand that it is only TEMPORARY, and

the goal is to get the digestive system cleaned out and the flora

repopulated and rebalanced so that it can maintain itself properly.

This, of course, requires a healthy diet, with lots of fresh, raw,

organic veggies and fruits, and ZERO (or as close to zero as possible)

of the crap that gunks you up, like white flour, white sugar, junk food,

etc...

For maintenance, a series of colonics once per year, while using lots of

primal defense both orally and as an implant after each one would

definitely be a very good thing.

But doing enemas or colonics daily or even weekly, is NOT a good thing

and in the long run will cause more problems than they will help.

Believe what you will...

[Guest guest]

On 1/5/2008, " " (msjenwilson@...) wrote:

> And that's fine Simon. Everyone can believe and try what ever they

> want.... when they want. It's okay.... It really is not that deep.

Thankfully, truth doesn't require belief or consent...

[Guest guest]

On 1/5/2008, " Robin Migalla " (rmigalla@...) wrote:

> No to be confrontational, Simon,

You don't know me very well... confrontation is fun for me...

> but I'd like to counter a few of your points with some of my own

> thoughts and information from the Cayce readings. Of course we all

> have our favorite gurus. I'm just sharing information to educate and

> offer options so folks can choose the path that is right for them.

Anyone who takes anyone else's word as 'gospel' deserves whatever they

get...

As for Cayce - his writings are interesting, but he certainly has been

proven to NOI be infallible, so I only take his writings with a grain of

salt, as I do everyone elses. I go with what makes SENSE. Sometimes

there is sound scientific basis for it, sometimes not.

For example - it only makes sense that - for the most part - 'you are

what you eat'. I don't need any scientific studies to 'prove' to me that

eating large quantities of junk food will cause digestive problems,

sooner or later.

> I've capitalized your comments for easy reference.

Why not just use standard internet quoting formats, as I have done below

(my comments are prefaced with TWO '>>', and yours are prefaced with one

'>')?

>> I only recommend enemas and colonics for extreme cases where

>> immediate relief is needed and the colon is NOT doing its job.

> Here are a few quotes from the Cayce readings:

>

> In response to the question " How often should I take an internal

> bath? " (A) " These should be taken until the pressure across the

> transverse colon is removed, or - if taken in this manner - we would

> find relief in a few treatments; five to six: With the first two

> quarts of tepid water put a level tablespoonful of salt and two level

> tablespoonsful of baking soda. In the last quart (or rinsing water),

> after the first has been cleansed and ejected, use a teaspoonful of

> Glyco-Thymoline and a teaspoonful of Milk of Bismuth. This will make

> for healing and for the tendency of CLEANSING the walls of the colon;

> this in the pockets is that that has NOT as yet been removed. A

> massage while the bath is being taken, across the lower portion of

> the bowel or across the colon, gently given, would be well. " (69-3)

Nothing to contradict what I said... note that he says refers to these

as only temporary measures, to 'remove the pressure' or 'find relief'.

Nowhere does he say that these should be used on a regular basis.

> In response to the question: " Do you advise the use of colonics or

> Epsom Salts baths for the body? " (A) " When these are necessary, yes.

> For, EVERY one - everybody - should take an internal bath

> occasionally, as well as an external one. They would all be better

> off if they would! " (440-2)

WHEN THESE ARE NECESSARY. OCCASIONALLY. Again, nothing wrong with this -

unless you define 'when necessary' or 'occasionally' as 'daily' or

'weekly'...

> In response to the question " How often should the hydrotherapy be

> given? " (A) " Dependent upon the general conditions. Whenever there is

> a sluggishness, the feeling of heaviness, oversleepiness, the

> tendency for an achy, draggy feeling, then have the treatments. This

> does not mean that merely because there is the daily activity of the

> alimentary canal there is no need for flushing the system. But

> whenever there is the feeling of sluggishness, have the treatments.

> It'll pick the body up. For there is a need for such treatments when

> the condition of the body becomes drugged because of absorption of

> poisons through alimentary canal or colon, sluggishness of liver or

> kidneys, and there is the lack of coordination with the cerebrospinal

> and sympathetic blood supply and nerves. For the hydrotherapy and

> massage are preventive as well as curative measures. For the

> cleansing of the system allows the body-forces themselves to function

> normally, and thus eliminate poisons, congestions and conditions

> that would become acute through the body. " (257-254)

Here he only talks about treating symptoms. If you deal with the CAUSE -

ie, why is the digestive system so crapped up - then the need for even

regular - and even 'occasional' treatment with colonics diminishes

almost to the point of zero.

>> Regularly means at least 3-4 bowel movements a day...

> In response to the question " What can body do to make bowels move

> easily and regularly, and how often should this body eliminate

> daily? " (A) Once at least, thoroughly, or twice - preferably - for

> eliminations.

Sorry, not enough... he is WRONG on this one, as simple observation of

primitive cultures has shown.

>> Dr. Schulze's program/products are what I use personally and

>> recommend, and I generalized these two rules are from his program,

>> although he didn't (and doesn't claim to have) originate(d) the idea.

>> His Intestinal Formula #1 is an herbal product designed to 'get the

>> bowels moving', and you stay on this product, increasing the dosage

>> each day, until you accomplish this. Then, and only then, do you move

>> on to the real cleansing.

> First, let me offer the Ingredients of Dr. Schulze's Formula #1 -

>

> Curacao and Cape Aloe leaf, Aloe barbadensis and Aloe capensis or

> ferox, Senna leaves and pods, Cassia angustifolia, Cascara Sagrada

> aged bark, Rhamnus purshiana, Barberry root bark, Berberis vulgaris,

> Ginger rhizome, Zingiber officinalis, Garlic bulb, Allium sativum,

> and Habanero peppers, Capsicum species.

>

> I have had several clients come to me completely dependent on this

> formula or other " natural " herbal laxatives.

And I have met MANY people who are completely and totally dependant on

colonics - they simply do NOT have ANY bowel movements without them.

The herbs used in Dr Schulzes program are NOT intended to be taken on a

permanent basis - only until the entire digestive system is cleansed.

So, yes - it is possible to 'overdo' the herbs - but at least they don't

wash out all of the flora, and in fact, can assist the good flora in

re-establishing a proper balance.

>> 99.99% of all health problems vanish just by PROPERLY cleansing the

>> digestive tract and the liver/gall bladder.

> I couldn't agree more; however, I have found the 3-day apple diet an

> excellent and safe cleansing protocol. The following quotes from Cayce

> were all in reference to doing a 3-day apple cleanse::

>

> " three days of raw apples only, and then olive oil, and we will

> cleanse ALL toxic forces from any system! " (820-2)

Sorry - it is IMPOSSIBLE to cleanse the entire body of a lifetime

accumulation of toxins in 3 days, no matter WHAT you eat/take during

that time. This one silly comment illuminates why your references to

Cayce are simply references to the opinions of one man.

Yes, there is lots of good information in his readings, but again, he is

FAR from infallible, so just because he said it, doesn't make it so.

>> For this, I highly recommend learning about 'Metabolic Typing',

>> because this is the way to discover what are the proper foods you

>> should be eating.

> I also agree that performing a cleansing without a lifestyle change

> is nearly pointless, but I have found Cayce's recommendations of an

> alkaline forming diet of whole, natural, unprocessed foods goes a

> long way to restoring one's health. There are some excellent books on

> this topic - " Alkalize or Die " by Dr. Theodore A. Baroody, " Acid &

> Alkaline " by Herman Aihara, and " Nourishing the Body Temple " by

> Simone Gabbay to name a few of them.

Yes - but anything that purports to be a one-size-fits-all - ie, most

vegetarian slanted dietary books - miss the mark. SOME people are best

suited to a purely vegetarian or vegan lifestyle - while some would DIE

in the long run on that same diet.

> There are also a few other things besides cleansing and dietary

> changes that should be taken into consideration when trying to

> restore your health. Attitudes, emotions, physical activities,

> sunlight exposure, rest, relaxation, and sleep all play very key

> roles as well.

But of course...

[Guest guest]

On 1/7/2008, " Robin Migalla " (rmigalla@...) wrote:

> I think part of the effect from a colonic is the stimulation to the

> enteric nervous system possibly resulting in enhanced

> neurotransmitter activity. I doubt there is anything oral that can

> provide this.

The cathartic herbs can and do... and probably homozon as well.

Also, the healing clays, and most likely activated charcoal.

Again... I am not saying there is not a place for colonics and/or enemas

- just not a daily or weekly place on a REGULAR basis. As long as they

are used as a TEMPORARY measure to treat imeediate symptoms/issues, they

are a powerful and valuable therapy...

[Guest guest]

On 1/5/2008, " elizabeth hendale " (ehendale730@...) wrote:

> Hello My name is Beth I have always considered getting colonics

> because I suffeer from debilitating fatigue, headaches, candida,

> ebstein barr and cmv virus and IBS. The coloninist wated me to get 9

> colonics in 1 month.

As long as this was being done as a part of an overall program to

cleanse your digestive tract AND as part of a permanent lifestyle

change, this number is not excessive for someone with your symptoms - as

long as you also use the probiotics as recommended (orally and as an

implant after each one).

> She said I would feel much better, but my doctors all frown upon the

> idea of colonics.

These same doctors also frown on ozone, herbs, etc, and only consider

radiation, chemotherapy and surgery to 'cure' cancer when there are

other, far more effective and far more healthy treatments available.

Doctors performa a very valuable service, but they are not gods - their

education in most cases is strictly limited to ALLOPATHIC methods, which

means, don't use them for treating chronic disease.

> They say that colonics remove not only the bad

> stuff from your body but they remove ALL the heathy and GOOD FLORA

> from your body which will leave your body prone to many infections

> and may more problems like Harleed has experienced.

This is actually true as far as it goes - but there ways of

counter-acting that issue.

> If any one has any insights on this I would really appreciate it. I

> am so tired of feeling so sick and tired and want to make the right

> decision if I should have the 9 colonics done or not. I just dont

> want to end up worse than I started . Thanks Beth

All by themselves, they might help a little in the SHORT term... but

your PROBLEM is not a lack of colonics, your problem is lifestyle - what

you eat on a daily basis, your mental and emotional frame of mind and

outlook, your exercise habits (or lack thereof), etc...

You might look into the 'Emotional Freedom' technique to help with any

mental and emotional issues:

www.emofree.com

- but you will also have to make substantive changes to your eating

habits, and you would be doing yourself a huge favor to look into

finding out your 'Metabolic Type' (google is your friend) and start

eating according to your body's needs:

http://tinyurl.com/3y7hgn

[Guest guest]

Points well taken, Simon, and I'm glad you find confrontation fun. I think

this is an excellent forum to debate and learn about these issues. I

didn't use the '>>' method because I personally find it difficult to wade

through. I was hoping the caps would make it easier on the eyes.

I have one question for you. Where I can I find the empirical data

regarding colonics wiping out the colonic flora?

Cheers,

Robin

Re: Plaque

On 1/5/2008, " Robin Migalla " (rmigalla@...) wrote:

> No to be confrontational, Simon,

You don't know me very well... confrontation is fun for me...

> but I'd like to counter a few of your points with some of my own

> thoughts and information from the Cayce readings. Of course we all

> have our favorite gurus. I'm just sharing information to educate and

> offer options so folks can choose the path that is right for them.

Anyone who takes anyone else's word as 'gospel' deserves whatever they

get...

As for Cayce - his writings are interesting, but he certainly has been

proven to NOI be infallible, so I only take his writings with a grain of

salt, as I do everyone elses. I go with what makes SENSE. Sometimes

there is sound scientific basis for it, sometimes not.

For example - it only makes sense that - for the most part - 'you are

what you eat'. I don't need any scientific studies to 'prove' to me that

eating large quantities of junk food will cause digestive problems,

sooner or later.

> I've capitalized your comments for easy reference.

Why not just use standard internet quoting formats, as I have done below

(my comments are prefaced with TWO '>>', and yours are prefaced with one

'>')?

>> I only recommend enemas and colonics for extreme cases where

>> immediate relief is needed and the colon is NOT doing its job.

> Here are a few quotes from the Cayce readings:

>

> In response to the question " How often should I take an internal

> bath? " (A) " These should be taken until the pressure across the

> transverse colon is removed, or - if taken in this manner - we would

> find relief in a few treatments; five to six: With the first two

> quarts of tepid water put a level tablespoonful of salt and two level

> tablespoonsful of baking soda. In the last quart (or rinsing water),

> after the first has been cleansed and ejected, use a teaspoonful of

> Glyco-Thymoline and a teaspoonful of Milk of Bismuth. This will make

> for healing and for the tendency of CLEANSING the walls of the colon;

> this in the pockets is that that has NOT as yet been removed. A

> massage while the bath is being taken, across the lower portion of

> the bowel or across the colon, gently given, would be well. " (69-3)

Nothing to contradict what I said... note that he says refers to these

as only temporary measures, to 'remove the pressure' or 'find relief'.

Nowhere does he say that these should be used on a regular basis.

> In response to the question: " Do you advise the use of colonics or

> Epsom Salts baths for the body? " (A) " When these are necessary, yes.

> For, EVERY one - everybody - should take an internal bath

> occasionally, as well as an external one. They would all be better

> off if they would! " (440-2)

WHEN THESE ARE NECESSARY. OCCASIONALLY. Again, nothing wrong with this -

unless you define 'when necessary' or 'occasionally' as 'daily' or

'weekly'...

> In response to the question " How often should the hydrotherapy be

> given? " (A) " Dependent upon the general conditions. Whenever there is

> a sluggishness, the feeling of heaviness, oversleepiness, the

> tendency for an achy, draggy feeling, then have the treatments. This

> does not mean that merely because there is the daily activity of the

> alimentary canal there is no need for flushing the system. But

> whenever there is the feeling of sluggishness, have the treatments.

> It'll pick the body up. For there is a need for such treatments when

> the condition of the body becomes drugged because of absorption of

> poisons through alimentary canal or colon, sluggishness of liver or

> kidneys, and there is the lack of coordination with the cerebrospinal

> and sympathetic blood supply and nerves. For the hydrotherapy and

> massage are preventive as well as curative measures. For the

> cleansing of the system allows the body-forces themselves to function

> normally, and thus eliminate poisons, congestions and conditions

> that would become acute through the body. " (257-254)

Here he only talks about treating symptoms. If you deal with the CAUSE -

ie, why is the digestive system so crapped up - then the need for even

regular - and even 'occasional' treatment with colonics diminishes

almost to the point of zero.

>> Regularly means at least 3-4 bowel movements a day...

> In response to the question " What can body do to make bowels move

> easily and regularly, and how often should this body eliminate

> daily? " (A) Once at least, thoroughly, or twice - preferably - for

> eliminations.

Sorry, not enough... he is WRONG on this one, as simple observation of

primitive cultures has shown.

>> Dr. Schulze's program/products are what I use personally and

>> recommend, and I generalized these two rules are from his program,

>> although he didn't (and doesn't claim to have) originate(d) the idea.

>> His Intestinal Formula #1 is an herbal product designed to 'get the

>> bowels moving', and you stay on this product, increasing the dosage

>> each day, until you accomplish this. Then, and only then, do you move

>> on to the real cleansing.

> First, let me offer the Ingredients of Dr. Schulze's Formula #1 -

>

> Curacao and Cape Aloe leaf, Aloe barbadensis and Aloe capensis or

> ferox, Senna leaves and pods, Cassia angustifolia, Cascara Sagrada

> aged bark, Rhamnus purshiana, Barberry root bark, Berberis vulgaris,

> Ginger rhizome, Zingiber officinalis, Garlic bulb, Allium sativum,

> and Habanero peppers, Capsicum species.

>

> I have had several clients come to me completely dependent on this

> formula or other " natural " herbal laxatives.

And I have met MANY people who are completely and totally dependant on

colonics - they simply do NOT have ANY bowel movements without them.

The herbs used in Dr Schulzes program are NOT intended to be taken on a

permanent basis - only until the entire digestive system is cleansed.

So, yes - it is possible to 'overdo' the herbs - but at least they don't

wash out all of the flora, and in fact, can assist the good flora in

re-establishing a proper balance.

>> 99.99% of all health problems vanish just by PROPERLY cleansing the

>> digestive tract and the liver/gall bladder.

> I couldn't agree more; however, I have found the 3-day apple diet an

> excellent and safe cleansing protocol. The following quotes from Cayce

> were all in reference to doing a 3-day apple cleanse::

>

> " three days of raw apples only, and then olive oil, and we will

> cleanse ALL toxic forces from any system! " (820-2)

Sorry - it is IMPOSSIBLE to cleanse the entire body of a lifetime

accumulation of toxins in 3 days, no matter WHAT you eat/take during

that time. This one silly comment illuminates why your references to

Cayce are simply references to the opinions of one man.

Yes, there is lots of good information in his readings, but again, he is

FAR from infallible, so just because he said it, doesn't make it so.

>> For this, I highly recommend learning about 'Metabolic Typing',

>> because this is the way to discover what are the proper foods you

>> should be eating.

> I also agree that performing a cleansing without a lifestyle change

> is nearly pointless, but I have found Cayce's recommendations of an

> alkaline forming diet of whole, natural, unprocessed foods goes a

> long way to restoring one's health. There are some excellent books on

> this topic - " Alkalize or Die " by Dr. Theodore A. Baroody, " Acid &

> Alkaline " by Herman Aihara, and " Nourishing the Body Temple " by

> Simone Gabbay to name a few of them.

Yes - but anything that purports to be a one-size-fits-all - ie, most

vegetarian slanted dietary books - miss the mark. SOME people are best

suited to a purely vegetarian or vegan lifestyle - while some would DIE

in the long run on that same diet.

> There are also a few other things besides cleansing and dietary

> changes that should be taken into consideration when trying to

> restore your health. Attitudes, emotions, physical activities,

> sunlight exposure, rest, relaxation, and sleep all play very key

> roles as well.

But of course...

<< File: ATT00268.htm >>

[Guest guest]

> > Hello My name is Beth I have always considered getting colonics

> > because I suffeer from debilitating fatigue, headaches, candida,

> > ebstein barr and cmv virus and IBS. The coloninist wated me to

get 9

> > colonics in 1 month.

>

> As long as this was being done as a part of an overall program to

> cleanse your digestive tract AND as part of a permanent lifestyle

> change, this number is not excessive for someone with your

symptoms - as

> long as you also use the probiotics as recommended (orally and as an

> implant after each one).

>

> > She said I would feel much better, but my doctors all frown upon

the

> > idea of colonics.

>

> These same doctors also frown on ozone, herbs, etc, and only

consider

> radiation, chemotherapy and surgery to 'cure' cancer when there are

> other, far more effective and far more healthy treatments available.

>

> Doctors performa a very valuable service, but they are not gods -

their

> education in most cases is strictly limited to ALLOPATHIC methods,

which

> means, don't use them for treating chronic disease.

>

> > They say that colonics remove not only the bad

> > stuff from your body but they remove ALL the heathy and GOOD FLORA

> > from your body which will leave your body prone to many infections

> > and may more problems like Harleed has experienced.

>

> This is actually true as far as it goes - but there ways of

> counter-acting that issue.

>

> > If any one has any insights on this I would really appreciate it.

I

> > am so tired of feeling so sick and tired and want to make the

right

> > decision if I should have the 9 colonics done or not. I just dont

> > want to end up worse than I started . Thanks Beth

>

> All by themselves, they might help a little in the SHORT term... but

> your PROBLEM is not a lack of colonics, your problem is lifestyle -

what

> you eat on a daily basis, your mental and emotional frame of mind

and

> outlook, your exercise habits (or lack thereof), etc...

>

> You might look into the 'Emotional Freedom' technique to help with

any

> mental and emotional issues:

>

> www.emofree.com

>

> - but you will also have to make substantive changes to your

eating

> habits, and you would be doing yourself a huge favor to look into

> finding out your 'Metabolic Type' (google is your friend) and start

> eating according to your body's needs:

>

> http://tinyurl.com/3y7hgn

>

FROM BRIDGEFREAK:I Agree that Drs use surgery and artificial

treatments WAY TOO OFTEN!!! I know,because they gave me an ostomy for

chronic constipation!!!This was reversed 2 yrs ago thanks to doing

colonics!!!!!So much for the " neurogenic " colon diagnosisLOL.So you

see,not all colonic experiences go sour!!I am much happier without

the bag!!But unfortunately I am to have another surgery thursday to

repair the hernia that resulted from a weakened abdominal muscle!!9

colonics in 1 month is a bit much,i think.Unless you happen to have a

lazy colon as I do.Perhaps 1-2 a month seems more reasonable.Seek the

opinion of another colon hydrotherapist and see if their opinions

differ.PS--- I have found coffee enemas very helpful for IBS and

fatigue!!!Just a suggestion.Feel free to IM or email me if you have

further questions.

[Guest guest]

On 1/8/2008, " Robin Migalla " (rmigalla@...) wrote:

> I have one question for you. Where I can I find the empirical data

> regarding colonics wiping out the colonic flora?

Dunno... but this is one of those obviousthings that in my opinion don't

need 'empirical evidence'...

Isn't it obvious to you that if you wash out everything, you are washing

out EVERYTHING?

What could possibly make you think that you could wash out only the

fecal matter, but not the bacteria that live there?

Again - if the colon is filled with putrefying garbage, of COURSE it is

best to go ahead and get rid of it... but the fact is, if the colon is

clogged, so is the rest of the digestive system.

Its the same principle with clogged arteries... the reason a bypass is

ony effective for a short time is because if the arteries immediately

next to the heart are clogged, SO ARE THE REST OF YOUR ARTERIES. It is

much better to clean out your entire circulatory system, than just

replace the 3 or 4 inches of arteries next to the heart.

Of course - and to continue the analogy - sometimes an immediate

dangerous condition may require measures to remove a blockage (in the

artery or the colon), but what is really necessary is for the entire

system to be cleansed.

Colonics only work to cleanse the colon - the last 20% or so (the small

intestines are actually about 20 feet or so, not 15, and the colon is

more like 5) of the digestive system. Furthermore, it is the small

intestines that do most of the digestive work, so it is actually more

important in the LONG run to cleanse it rather than the colon, although

admittedly, cleansing the colon during this period can ease the process.

Proper pH throughout the digestive system - and it varies, sometimes

dramatically, in different parts of it throughout - is the most critical

aspect, since it is the pH that dictates whether or not the proper flora

will be able to flourish.

[Guest guest]

Hi Simon,

I'm don't agree that it seems obvious. First of all, I don't use

antimicrobials in my colonic water, so I think it's pretty hard to wash all

the bacteria out with just water. Also, I suspect the bacteria in the

colon gets there from several sources (just like in the mouth). Using

Listerine in the mouth really does kill the germs (this has been shown with

empirical data), but also, immediately after the mouthwash is spit out,

bacteria immediately start showing up again (this has also been shown with

empirical data). I suspect the same holds true in the colon.

The medical profession has recently discovered the purpose of the appendix,

and lo and behold it turns out it is a little dynamo of a bacterial plant.

I'll bet after a colonic it goes into overdrive getting that bacteria well

on its way to being recolonized.

The content of a bowel movement is 80% bacteria. After having a colonic, I

produce a normal bowel movement the following day. That bacteria making up

80% of that bowel movement had to come from somewhere.

My gastroenterologist tells me that if they take a cleaned out empty colon

and grind it up in a food processor, it turns out the content is 85%

bacteria. I suspect he used empirical data to confirm this. Now I don't

think we can fully draw the conclusion from this evidence that the colon

wall participates in colonizing the colon with bacteria, but it sure seems

like a viable hypothesis.

I have many, many clients who get colonics, who are NOT constipated, and

have no bowel impaction. These folks get colonics to restore their energy,

to restore the regular bowel habits, to get rid of their skin conditions,

to get rid of their headaches and migraines, to eliminate their brain fog,

and to eliminate their joint pain AND THEY WORK. I would just love to

understand why. Most of these people are already doing very well with diet

and lifestyle. It just seems that a series of colonics just put them right

over the edge and becomes the final key to bringing excellent results.

Now most of the time, folks don't need all that many colonics to do the

trick. Sometimes (rarely) one will do it. Sometimes it has taken as many

as 15 in relatively short succession. Most people find significant

improvement after only 3 or 4. Once my clients regain their health and

well being, they go on a maintenance schedule. For some that ends up to be

only 2 or 3 times a year. For others who are dealing with Lyme, Lupus, or

other debilitating diseases, more often is helpful. No two are alike, but

I can tell you most of my clients have been helped by colonics, and some of

them quite dramatically.

But, I agree, a colonic is NOT a detox. A colonic does help the body rid

itself of toxins, but detoxification is another ball game entirely. I,

too, am a very big fan of detoxification. Like I have said previously, I

have found the 3-day apple diet a very good detox. The Master Cleanse is

also wonderful. 30 to 40 day water fasts can work miracles. Mono diets of

several varieties (bananas, grapes, brown rice) can also be excellent.

Whenever doing a detox of any kind, I highly recommend getting ALL of the

pathways of elimination (colon, skin, kidneys, and lungs) working harder

during the process by using colonics and/or enemas, steam or FIR sauna,

lots of water, deep breathing, massages, rebounding, and skin brushing.

Cheers,

Robin

Re: Plaque

On 1/8/2008, " Robin Migalla " (rmigalla@...) wrote:

> I have one question for you. Where I can I find the empirical data

> regarding colonics wiping out the colonic flora?

Dunno... but this is one of those obviousthings that in my opinion don't

need 'empirical evidence'...

Isn't it obvious to you that if you wash out everything, you are washing

out EVERYTHING?

What could possibly make you think that you could wash out only the

fecal matter, but not the bacteria that live there?

Again - if the colon is filled with putrefying garbage, of COURSE it is

best to go ahead and get rid of it... but the fact is, if the colon is

clogged, so is the rest of the digestive system.

Its the same principle with clogged arteries... the reason a bypass is

ony effective for a short time is because if the arteries immediately

next to the heart are clogged, SO ARE THE REST OF YOUR ARTERIES. It is

much better to clean out your entire circulatory system, than just

replace the 3 or 4 inches of arteries next to the heart.

Of course - and to continue the analogy - sometimes an immediate

dangerous condition may require measures to remove a blockage (in the

artery or the colon), but what is really necessary is for the entire

system to be cleansed.

Colonics only work to cleanse the colon - the last 20% or so (the small

intestines are actually about 20 feet or so, not 15, and the colon is

more like 5) of the digestive system. Furthermore, it is the small

intestines that do most of the digestive work, so it is actually more

important in the LONG run to cleanse it rather than the colon, although

admittedly, cleansing the colon during this period can ease the process.

Proper pH throughout the digestive system - and it varies, sometimes

dramatically, in different parts of it throughout - is the most critical

aspect, since it is the pH that dictates whether or not the proper flora

will be able to flourish.

<< File: ATT00309.htm >>

[Guest guest]

> > > I have one question for you. Where I can I find the empirical

> data

> > > regarding colonics wiping out the colonic flora?

> >

> > Dunno... but this is one of those obviousthings that in my

opinion

> don't

> > need 'empirical evidence'...

> >

> > Isn't it obvious to you that if you wash out everything, you are

> washing

> > out EVERYTHING?

> >

> > What could possibly make you think that you could wash out only

the

> > fecal matter, but not the bacteria that live there?

> >

> > Again - if the colon is filled with putrefying garbage, of COURSE

> it is

> > best to go ahead and get rid of it... but the fact is, if the

> colon is

> > clogged, so is the rest of the digestive system.

> >

> > Its the same principle with clogged arteries... the reason a

> bypass is

> > ony effective for a short time is because if the arteries

> immediately

> > next to the heart are clogged, SO ARE THE REST OF YOUR ARTERIES.

> It is

> > much better to clean out your entire circulatory system, than just

> > replace the 3 or 4 inches of arteries next to the heart.

> >

> > Of course - and to continue the analogy - sometimes an immediate

> > dangerous condition may require measures to remove a blockage (in

> the

> > artery or the colon), but what is really necessary is for the

> entire

> > system to be cleansed.

> >

> > Colonics only work to cleanse the colon - the last 20% or so (the

> small

> > intestines are actually about 20 feet or so, not 15, and the

colon

> is

> > more like 5) of the digestive system. Furthermore, it is the small

> > intestines that do most of the digestive work, so it is actually

> more

> > important in the LONG run to cleanse it rather than the colon,

> although

> > admittedly, cleansing the colon during this period can ease the

> process.

> >

> > Proper pH throughout the digestive system - and it varies,

> sometimes

> > dramatically, in different parts of it throughout - is the most

> critical

> > aspect, since it is the pH that dictates whether or not the

proper

> flora

> > will be able to flourish.

> > << File: ATT00309.htm >>

> >

>

FROM Jolene: I also agree with robin and JP!!I have tried oral

cleanses and found these did nothing for me.On the other hand,a good

enema or colonic GREATLY inproves my energy! My overall health seems

better with these therapies vs the oral cleanses.I sure do notice a

big difference if I skip for awhile,feel quite sluggish,bloated and

sickly as well as irritable.Good job JP and ROBIN!! It's nice to see

there are other advocates here for " bottom up " cleansing!!

[Guest guest]

Please trim your posts... or (ugh - can't believe I'm suggesting this)

top-post... the only thing worse that top-posting is bottom posting

without trimming the quoted text.

On 1/9/2008, " Jolene a van Horn " (oakabridgefreak@...) wrote:

> I Agree that Drs use surgery and artificial treatments WAY TOO

> OFTEN!!! I know,because they gave me an ostomy for chronic

> constipation!!!

No 'they' didn't... you CHOSE to ALLOW them to do this to you.

Please don't blame others for your own ignorance/choices/mistakes...

> This was reversed 2 yrs ago thanks to doing colonics!!!!! So much for

> the " neurogenic " colon diagnosisLOL. So you see, not all colonic

> experiences go sour!!I am much happier without the bag!! But

> unfortunately I am to have another surgery thursday to repair the

> hernia that resulted from a weakened abdominal muscle!!9 colonics in

> 1 month is a bit much,i think.Unless you happen to have a lazy colon

> as I do.

Just as with those with a weight problem who blame it on a 'slow

metabolism' or 'underactive thyroid', 99% of people with a 'lazy colon'

did not 'inherit' it - they don't just 'happen to have it' - they have

it as a direct result of POOR LIFESTYLE CHOICES.

Note I said 99% - there are the rare exceptions that actually have a

genetic issue to deal with, but even a genetic problem can be overcome,

it just takes a bit more work (diligent research AND and correct choices).

Until people start accepting responsibility for their 'circumstances'

(poor physical or financial health, etc) they will always suffer from

the '*-ism' syndrome... they will always believe that they 'just happen

to have or get' something, rather than understand that they EARNED it,

and will have to EARN their health back, if they want it.

> Perhaps 1-2 a month seems more reasonable.

If all you want to do is try to maintain this precarious balance, rather

than try to fix the PROBLEM, then yes, 1-2 per month may be a

satisfactory solution for you - until the NEXT big problem rears its

ugly head...

> Seek the opinion of another colon hydrotherapist and see if their

> opinions differ. PS--- I have found coffee enemas very helpful for

> IBS and fatigue!!!

And they can cause REAL problems if you overdo them. Used VERY

sparingly, yes, they can be a very effective tool to speed up detoxing

the liver.

[Guest guest]

On 1/9/2008, " J P Bowmann " (jpbowmann@...) wrote:

> I'm disinclined to believe that an otherwise healthy person

> has 'plaque' in the colon

<sigh> AGAIN - the plaque is NOT IN THE COLON, it is in the SMALL

INTESTINES. You might want to read up on some anatomy if you don't

understand the difference.

> but I certainly believe that the buildup and retention of 'bacteria'

> and, in particular, the toxic and/or undesired waste they produce is

> deserved of colon cleansing through colonics and/or enemas.

1. Bacteria in the colon are absolutely necessary and REQUIRED for health.

2. Most of the 'toxic and/or undesired waste' in the colon is not

BECAUSE of the bacteria, it is because of POOR EATING HABITS/LIFESTYLE

CHOICES. If bad bacteria become a problem that EFFECT, not CAUSE.

> I'm not into orally taken flushing agents as they give me side

> effects; I prefer the 'bottom up' cleansing.

Whatever floats your boat... as long as you don't try to mislead others.

Some things are not a matter of 'opinion', and this is one of them.

> But after a colonic and/or enema series I feel much much better for

> days...

Fine... but in the long term, if you don't address the CAUSE, you will

experience the EFFECT.

As many outstanding naturopaths have observed, 'death begins in the

colon/digestive tract'.

> it seems to make a big difference. So, I'm in total agreement with

> Robin when it comes to the many benefits of colonics that she

> mentions.

Colonics only provide TEMPORARY relief... you could go on for years

experiencing this TEMPORARY relief, because the body is an amazingly

resilient machine - but eventually, if you don't deal with what is

CAUSING you to need all of these colonics, the EFFECT - deteriorating

health, and ultimately death if you don't repent (change your way of

thinking) will catch up to you.

[Guest guest]

On 1/9/2008, " Robin Migalla " (rmigalla@...) wrote:

> I'm don't agree that it seems obvious.

Luckily, it doesn't require your agreement...

> First of all, I don't use antimicrobials in my colonic water, so I

> think it's pretty hard to wash all the bacteria out with just water.

For a single enema, I would agree - but colonics are not a single enema

- they use a LOT of water in a repeating cycle to continually wash the

colon... so again, it is only reasonable to believe that everything

would be washed away.

> Also, I suspect the bacteria in the colon gets there from several

> sources (just like in the mouth).

Suspect? Not a firm foundation for a health plan... at least, not for mine.

> Using Listerine in the mouth really does kill the germs (this has

> been shown with empirical data), but also, immediately after the

> mouthwash is spit out, bacteria immediately start showing up again

> (this has also been shown with empirical data). I suspect the same

> holds true in the colon.

Sure they will... but the bacteria will still be the bad kind, if the

underlying problem (poor lifestyle) is not corrected. Balance doesn't

happen by magic.

> The medical profession has recently discovered the purpose of the

> appendix, and lo and behold it turns out it is a little dynamo of a

> bacterial plant. I'll bet after a colonic it goes into overdrive

> getting that bacteria well on its way to being recolonized.

This ass-u-me-s that everything is working properly... people who are

sick - especially with debilitating problems - certainly don't fall into

this category.

Under IDEAL circumstances yes - but under IDEAL circumstances, your

colon wouldn't be filled with gunk IN THE FIRST PLACE.

> The content of a bowel movement is 80% bacteria.

Interesting if true - got a reference:? Goggling didn't turn up anything

other than the ratio of good/bad is 80%/20%...

> After having a colonic, I produce a normal bowel movement the

> following day. That bacteria making up 80% of that bowel movement had

> to come from somewhere.

Yeah - they came from the small intestine (and maybe the appendix - (an

intriguing hypothesis)...

> My gastroenterologist tells me that if they take a cleaned out empty

> colon and grind it up in a food processor, it turns out the content

> is 85% bacteria.

Interesting, if true... but thats only hearsay...

> I suspect he used empirical data to confirm this. Now I don't think

> we can fully draw the conclusion from this evidence that the colon

> wall participates in colonizing the colon with bacteria, but it sure

> seems like a viable hypothesis.

Possible - but what form the bacteria will take is dictated by the

terrain - if the terrain is healthy, the bacteria ratio will be healthy

- if not, then the ratio will not be healthy.

Fix the terrain, fix the bacteria problem. Read Antoine Bechamp.

> I have many, many clients who get colonics, who are NOT constipated,

> and have no bowel impaction. These folks get colonics to restore

> their energy, to restore the regular bowel habits, to get rid of

> their skin conditions, to get rid of their headaches and migraines,

> to eliminate their brain fog, and to eliminate their joint pain AND

> THEY WORK. I would just love to understand why. Most of these people

> are already doing very well with diet and lifestyle. It just seems

> that a series of colonics just put them right over the edge and

> becomes the final key to bringing excellent results.

A series - sure, that can help... but not an unending series forever.

> Now most of the time, folks don't need all that many colonics to do

> the trick. Sometimes (rarely) one will do it. Sometimes it has taken

> as many as 15 in relatively short succession. Most people find

> significant improvement after only 3 or 4. Once my clients regain

> their health and well being, they go on a maintenance schedule. For

> some that ends up to be only 2 or 3 times a year. For others who are

> dealing with Lyme, Lupus, or other debilitating diseases, more often

> is helpful. No two are alike, but I can tell you most of my clients

> have been helped by colonics, and some of them quite dramatically.

I believe it... not sure why you are arguing with me, because I have

never said anything against a TEMPORARY series - and yes, that could be

a lot (6-25) over a short period of time - to deal with an immediate

problem or crisis - or a maintenance of 1, 2, 3 or even 6 times per

year... I'm arguing against people that want to do enemas and colonics

daily or weekly as a normal, regular part of their lifestyle. That is

what started this thread. Go back and read what I said - I never said

LIMITED, JUDICIOUS use of colonics was bad.

> But, I agree, a colonic is NOT a detox. A colonic does help the body

> rid itself of toxins, but detoxification is another ball game

> entirely. I, too, am a very big fan of detoxification. Like I have

> said previously, I have found the 3-day apple diet a very good detox.

> The Master Cleanse is also wonderful. 30 to 40 day water fasts can

> work miracles. Mono diets of several varieties (bananas, grapes,

> brown rice) can also be excellent.

The efficacy of each of these is highly dependant on the person, which

is why it is very important to learn your Metabolic Type before maiing

any major lifestyle changes...

> Whenever doing a detox of any kind, I highly recommend getting ALL of

> the pathways of elimination (colon, skin, kidneys, and lungs) working

> harder during the process by using colonics and/or enemas, steam or

> FIR sauna, lots of water, deep breathing, massages, rebounding, and

> skin brushing.

Agreed - but I would go one further - I do not recommend anyone even

STARTING on a serious full detox program until the entire digestive

system, liver and kidneys are all detoxed FIRST.

[Guest guest]

Jolene, I agree with you, I'm a 'bottom up' colon cleansing person.

I don't want to inject chemicals or bowel/intestinal stimulants

orally, that's just me. I'm skeptical about colon cleansing programs

that, basically, are just trying to sell products. I'll take the

$12.00 enema bag any day and occasional colonics if needed. Again,

no offense to anyone else, but I think some of the 'rope' and stuff

comes from people taking these so-called cleansers. This said, some

of the strictly 'natural' fruit, juice and other strictly natural

cleansing programs probably do have some benefit in combination with

enemas.

In an earlier post Robin wrote, and I quote: " Now about the plaque

issue, I have a question for the group. Has anyone

ever seen this ropey material when not using these products? "

That question in itself says a lot.

Edie

> > >

> > > Hi Simon,

> > >

> > > I'm don't agree that it seems obvious. First of all, I don't

use

> > > antimicrobials in my colonic water, so I think it's pretty

hard

> to

> > wash all

> > > the bacteria out with just water. Also, I suspect the

bacteria

> in

> > the

> > > colon gets there from several sources (just like in the

mouth).

> > Using

> > > Listerine in the mouth really does kill the germs (this has

been

> > shown with

> > > empirical data), but also, immediately after the mouthwash is

> spit

> > out,

> > > bacteria immediately start showing up again (this has also

been

> > shown with

> > > empirical data). I suspect the same holds true in the colon.

> > >

> > > The medical profession has recently discovered the purpose of

the

> > appendix,

> > > and lo and behold it turns out it is a little dynamo of a

> > bacterial plant.

> > > I'll bet after a colonic it goes into overdrive getting that

> > bacteria well

> > > on its way to being recolonized.

> > >

> > > The content of a bowel movement is 80% bacteria. After having

a

> > colonic, I

> > > produce a normal bowel movement the following day. That

bacteria

> > making up

> > > 80% of that bowel movement had to come from somewhere.

> > >

> > > My gastroenterologist tells me that if they take a cleaned out

> > empty colon

> > > and grind it up in a food processor, it turns out the content

is

> > 85%

> > > bacteria. I suspect he used empirical data to confirm this.

Now

> > I don't

> > > think we can fully draw the conclusion from this evidence that

> the

> > colon

> > > wall participates in colonizing the colon with bacteria, but

it

> > sure seems

> > > like a viable hypothesis.

> > >

> > > I have many, many clients who get colonics, who are NOT

> > constipated, and

> > > have no bowel impaction. These folks get colonics to restore

> > their energy,

> > > to restore the regular bowel habits, to get rid of their skin

> > conditions,

> > > to get rid of their headaches and migraines, to eliminate

their

> > brain fog,

> > > and to eliminate their joint pain AND THEY WORK. I would just

> > love to

> > > understand why. Most of these people are already doing very

well

> > with diet

> > > and lifestyle. It just seems that a series of colonics just

put

> > them right

> > > over the edge and becomes the final key to bringing excellent

> > results.

> > >

> > > Now most of the time, folks don't need all that many colonics

to

> > do the

> > > trick. Sometimes (rarely) one will do it. Sometimes it has

> taken

> > as many

> > > as 15 in relatively short succession. Most people find

> > significant

> > > improvement after only 3 or 4. Once my clients regain their

> > health and

> > > well being, they go on a maintenance schedule. For some that

> ends

> > up to be

> > > only 2 or 3 times a year. For others who are dealing with

Lyme,

> > Lupus, or

> > > other debilitating diseases, more often is helpful. No two

are

> > alike, but

> > > I can tell you most of my clients have been helped by

colonics,

> > and some of

> > > them quite dramatically.

> > >

> > > But, I agree, a colonic is NOT a detox. A colonic does help

the

> > body rid

> > > itself of toxins, but detoxification is another ball game

> > entirely. I,

> > > too, am a very big fan of detoxification. Like I have said

> > previously, I

> > > have found the 3-day apple diet a very good detox. The Master

> > Cleanse is

> > > also wonderful. 30 to 40 day water fasts can work miracles.

> Mono

> > diets of

> > > several varieties (bananas, grapes, brown rice) can also be

> > excellent.

> > > Whenever doing a detox of any kind, I highly recommend

getting

> > ALL of the

> > > pathways of elimination (colon, skin, kidneys, and lungs)

> working

> > harder

> > > during the process by using colonics and/or enemas, steam or

FIR

> > sauna,

> > > lots of water, deep breathing, massages, rebounding, and skin

> > brushing.

> > >

> > > Cheers,

> > > Robin

> > >

> >

> FROM Jolene: I also agree with robin and JP!!I have tried oral

> cleanses and found these did nothing for me.On the other hand,a

good

> enema or colonic GREATLY inproves my energy! My overall health

seems

> better with these therapies vs the oral cleanses.I sure do notice

a

> big difference if I skip for awhile,feel quite sluggish,bloated

and

> sickly as well as irritable.Good job JP and ROBIN!! It's nice to

see

> there are other advocates here for " bottom up " cleansing!!

>

[Guest guest]

I agree. Taking enema's at our house is as routine as brushing our teeth!

We also do colonics whenever here at the house- which is just as relaxing as

going

to a spa! I can't tell you the last time we have had sickness at our house

and

the only MD we have seen is about 3 yrs. ago when my son broke his arm. We

look and feel great and have been cleansing this way for a while. Anyway just

wanted to share!

Edie Webber <ediewebber@...> wrote:

Jolene, I agree with you, I'm a 'bottom up' colon cleansing person.

I don't want to inject chemicals or bowel/intestinal stimulants

orally, that's just me. I'm skeptical about colon cleansing programs

that, basically, are just trying to sell products. I'll take the

$12.00 enema bag any day and occasional colonics if needed. Again,

no offense to anyone else, but I think some of the 'rope' and stuff

comes from people taking these so-called cleansers. This said, some

of the strictly 'natural' fruit, juice and other strictly natural

cleansing programs probably do have some benefit in combination with

enemas.

In an earlier post Robin wrote, and I quote: " Now about the plaque

issue, I have a question for the group. Has anyone

ever seen this ropey material when not using these products? "

That question in itself says a lot.

Edie

> > >

> > > Hi Simon,

> > >

> > > I'm don't agree that it seems obvious. First of all, I don't

use

> > > antimicrobials in my colonic water, so I think it's pretty

hard

> to

> > wash all

> > > the bacteria out with just water. Also, I suspect the

bacteria

> in

> > the

> > > colon gets there from several sources (just like in the

mouth).

> > Using

> > > Listerine in the mouth really does kill the germs (this has

been

> > shown with

> > > empirical data), but also, immediately after the mouthwash is

> spit

> > out,

> > > bacteria immediately start showing up again (this has also

been

> > shown with

> > > empirical data). I suspect the same holds true in the colon.

> > >

> > > The medical profession has recently discovered the purpose of

the

> > appendix,

> > > and lo and behold it turns out it is a little dynamo of a

> > bacterial plant.

> > > I'll bet after a colonic it goes into overdrive getting that

> > bacteria well

> > > on its way to being recolonized.

> > >

> > > The content of a bowel movement is 80% bacteria. After having

a

> > colonic, I

> > > produce a normal bowel movement the following day. That

bacteria

> > making up

> > > 80% of that bowel movement had to come from somewhere.

> > >

> > > My gastroenterologist tells me that if they take a cleaned out

> > empty colon

> > > and grind it up in a food processor, it turns out the content

is

> > 85%

> > > bacteria. I suspect he used empirical data to confirm this.

Now

> > I don't

> > > think we can fully draw the conclusion from this evidence that

> the

> > colon

> > > wall participates in colonizing the colon with bacteria, but

it

> > sure seems

> > > like a viable hypothesis.

> > >

> > > I have many, many clients who get colonics, who are NOT

> > constipated, and

> > > have no bowel impaction. These folks get colonics to restore

> > their energy,

> > > to restore the regular bowel habits, to get rid of their skin

> > conditions,

> > > to get rid of their headaches and migraines, to eliminate

their

> > brain fog,

> > > and to eliminate their joint pain AND THEY WORK. I would just

> > love to

> > > understand why. Most of these people are already doing very

well

> > with diet

> > > and lifestyle. It just seems that a series of colonics just

put

> > them right

> > > over the edge and becomes the final key to bringing excellent

> > results.

> > >

> > > Now most of the time, folks don't need all that many colonics

to

> > do the

> > > trick. Sometimes (rarely) one will do it. Sometimes it has

> taken

> > as many

> > > as 15 in relatively short succession. Most people find

> > significant

> > > improvement after only 3 or 4. Once my clients regain their

> > health and

> > > well being, they go on a maintenance schedule. For some that

> ends

> > up to be

> > > only 2 or 3 times a year. For others who are dealing with

Lyme,

> > Lupus, or

> > > other debilitating diseases, more often is helpful. No two

are

> > alike, but

> > > I can tell you most of my clients have been helped by

colonics,

> > and some of

> > > them quite dramatically.

> > >

> > > But, I agree, a colonic is NOT a detox. A colonic does help

the

> > body rid

> > > itself of toxins, but detoxification is another ball game

> > entirely. I,

> > > too, am a very big fan of detoxification. Like I have said

> > previously, I

> > > have found the 3-day apple diet a very good detox. The Master

> > Cleanse is

> > > also wonderful. 30 to 40 day water fasts can work miracles.

> Mono

> > diets of

> > > several varieties (bananas, grapes, brown rice) can also be

> > excellent.

> > > Whenever doing a detox of any kind, I highly recommend

getting

> > ALL of the

> > > pathways of elimination (colon, skin, kidneys, and lungs)

> working

> > harder

> > > during the process by using colonics and/or enemas, steam or

FIR

> > sauna,

> > > lots of water, deep breathing, massages, rebounding, and skin

> > brushing.

> > >

> > > Cheers,

> > > Robin

> > >

> >

> FROM Jolene: I also agree with robin and JP!!I have tried oral

> cleanses and found these did nothing for me.On the other hand,a

good

> enema or colonic GREATLY inproves my energy! My overall health

seems

> better with these therapies vs the oral cleanses.I sure do notice

a

> big difference if I skip for awhile,feel quite sluggish,bloated

and

> sickly as well as irritable.Good job JP and ROBIN!! It's nice to

see

> there are other advocates here for " bottom up " cleansing!!

>

Callahan