PAM

[Guest guest]

He still has a temp, can get high some times, but better slowly! Makes you so nervous, like because of the whole implanted thing, the question that lurkes is: Is this normal, or something because of the implants??? Will he get better, or is this a sign of something brewing? Sick, I know, isnt it? My hubby keeps saying, "A kid has gotta get sick sometime!" Just keep praying, will you? Seems like Illinois had got something icky going around, his pediatritian has seen over 80 kids in the last 2 days! (normally about 30) Glad I kept him home! ---- Original Message -----

From: Pam

Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 4:09 PM

Subject: Re: Pam

Thanks ! I was truly shocked when the doctor said I was a B for sure! I guess I always was and didn't know it?? The girls in our group are cute - but we need more pictures of everyones face or full body - with clothes on of course. It's hard to tell what someone looks like by looking at their boobs!Is your little one better? Pam > I just looked at your pics, (sorry I'm a little behind) you look great! Awesome job, and you were left some extra! (isnt it great?) Good for you, I'm glad you got them out, and am rooting for your recovery! You go girl! PS- yet another pretty girl on this site, although we may be sick, we are all pretty cute gals! We may have the prettiest support group around! He HE Love

[Guest guest]

, you're right, you and I sound a lot alike. My daughter keeps

telling me the same thing - Why be miserable with someone you don't

want to be with when your soul mate could be out there waiting for

you! She's wise beyond her years. She asks me every day whether he

and I have talked about it. I guess I keep putting off the

inevitable. I truly need to do something...soon.

Pam

> Pam I have been reading and trying to keep us with your posts about

> your progress and about your marriage issues, daughter etc etc. I

> want to tell you that i have been through two terrible long term

> relationships, and both of them were with men so much like yours it

> is not even funny! My first husband the one I have a daughter with,

> gosh I stayed with him for 18 years! We met when I was 14 and he

> manipulated my entire life for many many years, I was so stupid and

> insecure that I thought that was what I was meant to do. I really

> believed it! Sad huh? I never had a job or went to school after

high

> school because he believed I needed to be a stay at home wife, even

> though we had no kids. He helped me get into a lot of trouble with

> drugs and we led a wild rebelious lifestyle of shopping sprees and

> partying, till it caught up with him and he did some jail time. By

> this time I was 24 and ready to end it(we dated since I was 14 but

> married at 21) I left him for awhile, but he persisted and

convinced

> me he had changed after doing time. He got a great career going,

got

> clean, and actually agreed to let me (can you believe let me) go to

> school for my nursing assistant training(smartest thing I ever did

> let me tell ya) then at 28 I got pregnant from the only time we

even

> had sex that month(oh i forgot to mention his porno addiction) that

> porno addiction had always been there, but it did not seem to

> interfere with our sex life too bad till i got pregnant, He hated

me

> when I was pregnant, i mean sexually at least. He loved our baby

and

> was the best dad (i had severe post partum depression) over gaining

> 60 pounds etc. He was a good dad and I started working but he never

> wanted sex anymore and after I got very thin, like 110 pounds I

> wanted attention again, more than ever. I ended up cheating on him.

> Then he found out, then he left, it was the best thing that could

> have hapened to me at the time, though he took my kid with him, I

was

> in that stage where it was probably best for her anyhow. I went

> through so much that you would think I would have learned, but no

> back into another terrible relationship only a few months later,

this

> one was a total other type of guy and total other type of hell. At

> first he was everything I could want, nice, supportive of my

working

> and doing schooling, etc. But as time went on I learned how selfish

> he was, and immature, and the worse thing, another really freaky

sex

> addict. To this day this man somewhat stalks me in weird ways. I

> could not get him to leave(he moved into my home) oh my gosh 5

years

> of my life it took to get him to leave my home. He was pure evil in

> so many ways, he never physicallly abused me, niether really did,

it

> was all mental abuse.

> I finally got him out of my house right after I got implants. So it

> was within 3 months of him leaving and getting implants I had so

many

> plans but I got so sick. I tried hard to fight the illness(never

> missed work) still worked out I think it was my anger that fighter

> thing, I just would not stop doing what I always did, but it was

> getting harder for sure. My point here is that it was not till I

got

> this man out of my life and decided I was done with men that I met

> the man I was meant to be with, my current husband. He is the dream

> come true out of all this nightmare implant crap! People don't

change

> unless they want to, and most don't want to. Both my exes are the

> exact same way they were, they will never ever change as far as I

can

> tell. I don't care anymore, other than the fact that my ex husband

> has our daughter, another long sad story. Esp men with porno

> addictions, they will not stop. It is like drug addiction, you only

> can stop with counseling and a real desire to stop. It takes

hitting

> rock bottom as well.

> I pray that you will find the stregnth to leave this man, being

with

> a man like this will just cause you more pain and stress, and while

> your with him you will never meet the one you are really meant to

be

> with.

>

> I pray that you will find the stregnth to do what is needed.

>

> Hugs

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks ! Wow, that was a ton of info. I found a lot of good

stuff.

Thank you again.

Pam

> Ok honey i posted a ton of links with good info you can print and

> take to your Dr. I could not recall the state your in, but one of

the

> links has a list of Dr's who will treat chronic pain in FMS

patients

> and I thnk it has a few in each state, so maybe one that is close

to

> you will be on there. I am telling ya girl things are changing,

there

> are more and more Dr's that are using narcotics to treat chronic

pain

> (other than just cancer pain) so give it a try, check it out, see

> what you can come up with ok?

>

> Good luck honey!

>

[Guest guest]

Did you find anything about the state where you live or a Dr in the

area?

hopefully this will help you out. remember though for every Dr that

treats with narcotics there are ones who are against it, the point is

to show them that some people can have dramatic improvement with

them, and that for some it really works, maybe not everyone, but if

your one that it does work on, then that is what matters.

Good luck girl, keep me posted on what you find out

Hugs

In , " Pam " <nannapam37@y...> wrote:

> Thanks ! Wow, that was a ton of info. I found a lot of good

> stuff.

>

> Thank you again.

>

> Pam

>

>

> > Ok honey i posted a ton of links with good info you can print and

> > take to your Dr. I could not recall the state your in, but one of

> the

> > links has a list of Dr's who will treat chronic pain in FMS

> patients

> > and I thnk it has a few in each state, so maybe one that is close

> to

> > you will be on there. I am telling ya girl things are changing,

> there

> > are more and more Dr's that are using narcotics to treat chronic

> pain

> > (other than just cancer pain) so give it a try, check it out, see

> > what you can come up with ok?

> >

> > Good luck honey!

> >

[Guest guest]

, I found some docs here but I don't know who to try first.

Unfortunately there is no way to know who is really good and who is a

jerk without going. My current pain doc is listed there and he won't

help me! - see what I mean! I think that this is the worst part of

this illness - not only do we suffer from the pain, fatigue and brain

fog, but we have to deal with doctors not believing us and not

wanting to help us. Thanks again for the links, I might just start

calling them 1 by 1!

Pam

> > > Ok honey i posted a ton of links with good info you can print

and

> > > take to your Dr. I could not recall the state your in, but one

of

> > the

> > > links has a list of Dr's who will treat chronic pain in FMS

> > patients

> > > and I thnk it has a few in each state, so maybe one that is

close

> > to

> > > you will be on there. I am telling ya girl things are changing,

> > there

> > > are more and more Dr's that are using narcotics to treat

chronic

> > pain

> > > (other than just cancer pain) so give it a try, check it out,

see

> > > what you can come up with ok?

> > >

> > > Good luck honey!

> > >

[Guest guest]

You will all be on the same flight it sounds like because they

probably only have 4 flights a day to sun valley/hailey airport, it

is a tiny airport.

Patty and I will have a bit of time to kill before you guys get

there, from my estimation, unless someone is needing to fly into

somewhere else.

Hugs

In , " cricket5643000 "

<cricket5643000@y...> wrote:

> I arrive at 4:00

>

> cricket

[Guest guest]

beth, YOU GO GIRL! ---Thank you for sharing your story. People like me

who are just starting out to try something to cure ourselves and loved ones

need to hear the stories.

Pam, do you not beleive that every one that reads the Dr. info is

intelligent enough to make up their own mind whether this is a hoax or not? What

is

it that makes you desire to dash the hopes of those of us who wish to hope?

JD

[Guest guest]

Hey girl!!!

The show has not aired yet - should be w/in the next few months. I will keep everyone posted!!!

Good to hear from you - I missed you

love

shari

[Guest guest]

it has been cold for here..... (not to make everyone else want to smack me) but it has been in the 30's at night and 50's in the day which is very rare here. I feel so sorry for everyone hit so hard by these nasty winter storms... Of course living through 3 hurricanes in a month wasn't a picnic either.

love

shari

[Guest guest]

Hey!!

I missed you too! E-mail me on my AOL account if you don't see me on

the site regularly. I do check that one pretty often. I don't want

to miss the show!

How's the weather down there? It's in the teens around here -

unheard of in Virginia! This is the 2nd day the kids have been out

of school in a row. I'm going stir crazy! I didn't go to work so I

could watch the kids...bad choice!

Pam

> Hey girl!!!

>

> The show has not aired yet - should be w/in the next few months. I

will keep

> everyone posted!!!

>

> Good to hear from you - I missed you

>

> love

> shari

[Guest guest]

I was touched by what you shared. I'm sending kind thoughts your

direction.

Sierra

>

> I have been on Tramadol for 3 weeks and developed an addiction. I

didn't know it while I was

> on the medicine, but for the following two weeks after stopping the

medicine - I had severe

> withdrawl symptoms. Nausea, mood changes, shaky, stomach pain, body

aches worse than

> the flu. I was scared but vowed never to take tramadol again. The

dangers of this drug are

> very real and it is kept hidden from the public. I threw out every

last pill. Search the net

> and you will see just how many people have experienced this

addiction. I believe this

> drug should be pulled off the market. Check this out:

>

> http://www.medhelp.org/forums/addiction/messages/30676a.html

>

>

> Have a good day -------------

> Dawn

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[Guest guest]

Pam I apologize if I offended you in any way. My deepest apologize. I

did come across too strong but my question was that if one poses a

question to a group then except what they offer and draw ones own

conclusions. I very happy for you that your child have a doctor who

understands the cause of autism and not just treating it as a

symptom. It frustrates me to see my friends kids being put on Actos

and Cerebryx which have a black box warning by the FDA and believe

soo strongly that its helping their child that they want others to

follow it. I have seen young kids who are having IV chelation done

every few weeks, suppositories some parents have invested in HBOTS

etc. I could have very easily fallen in that trap but if you really

study what is about and what Herpes virus can and will do you

will realize the need for the emergency to open our eyes and not be

wishy washy about our choices. I am not even a patient of Dr G but do

follow his protocol. My son has not made any wows yet but steady

progress but as an educated person I know the truth when I see it.

Again I am sorry but I want you to see the truth too. If this is what

I had to do to make you understand it then I bear the repercussion.

rgds Kavita

[Guest guest]

Hello Pam,

Thank you so much as now that BUTTERFINGERS are GF I can move on with my life!!! I LOVE Butterfingers. I dont eat them often but thinking they where not made life less enjoyable.

Anyways I have not been GF long. 3 Days? I had cut it out of my diet and even bought some good things for me, like GF supps and so on. However I forgot to check my shamppoo and i t and my conditioner are both wheat based with WHEAT plants on the cover. No wonder my hair was falling out still and my DR thought maybe I was having contact derma something from some sort of stress related depression?

Anyways.. I have not been using it 3 days and already feel better, but I have a half a case of Lara bars if you want them.

Also I have some information about some places to hold a celiac support group meeting when ever you want too.

I am grateful for your support. I have been a very unhappy person for a long time, and now finally see the light!

gem=)

Gemma ' Locatelli

CeliacDSG/

"Be the change you want to see in the world!" -Gandhi

[Guest guest]

The whole thing does get easier with time -- much easier.

I THINK that although the basic Butterfingers is GF, there are some newer variants that are not. This is the case with several old-line candies -- Snickers being a prime example. Always read the label.

I haven't checked lately, but not long ago the plain variety of Altoids contained gluten, while some of the new flavors do not.

Werners plain hard candies used not to show wheat on their label. Now it does; I wonder if the ingredients changed or if they just began listing wheat that always was there.

Thank you so much as now that BUTTERFINGERS are GF I can move on with my life!!! I LOVE Butterfingers. I dont eat them often but thinking they where not made life less enjoyable.

-----Original Message-----

From: Gemma R Locatelli <gemmalocat>

Sent: Sun, Nov 1, 2009 8:53 pm

Subject: [ ] PAM

Hello Pam,

Thank you so much as now that BUTTERFINGERS are GF I can move on with my life!!! I LOVE Butterfingers. I dont eat them often but thinking they where not made life less enjoyable.

Anyways I have not been GF long. 3 Days? I had cut it out of my diet and even bought some good things for me, like GF supps and so on. However I forgot to check my shamppoo and i t and my conditioner are both wheat based with WHEAT plants on the cover. No wonder my hair was falling out still and my DR thought maybe I was having contact derma something from some sort of stress related depression?

Anyways.. I have not been using it 3 days and already feel better, but I have a half a case of Lara bars if you want them.

Also I have some information about some places to hold a celiac support group meeting when ever you want too.

I am grateful for your support. I have been a very unhappy person for a long time, and now finally see the light!

gem=)

Gemma ' Locatelli

CeliacDSG/

"Be the change you want to see in the world!" -Gandhi

[Guest guest]

Thank you so much.

I have been feeling much better. (sometimes) still strugglig with the

lonelyness. No one I know has Celiacs and my thoughts are that I need to read a

message from group ever few days to remind me I am not alone.

gem=)

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> I THINK that although the basic Butterfingers is GF, there are some newer

variants that are not. This is the case with several old-line candies --

Snickers being a prime example. Always read the label.

>

> I haven't checked lately, but not long ago the plain variety of Altoids

contained gluten, while some of the new flavors do not.

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> Werners plain hard candies used not to show wheat on their label. Now it does;

I wonder if the ingredients changed or if they just began listing wheat that

always was there.

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> Thank you so much as now that BUTTERFINGERS are GF I can move on with my

life!!! I LOVE Butterfingers. I dont eat them often but thinking they where not

made life less enjoyable.

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made life less enjoyable.

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> Anyways I have not been GF long. 3 Days? I had cut it out of my diet and even

bought some good things for me, like GF supps and so on. However I forgot to

check my shamppoo and i t and my conditioner are both wheat based with WHEAT

plants on the cover. No wonder my hair was falling out still and my DR thought

maybe I was having contact derma something from some sort of stress related

depression?

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meeting when ever you want too.

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[Guest guest]

Hi Harper,The regular Altoids are gluten free -- it's the 'Smalls' and Altoids gum that are not. Altoids is now a Kraft company so ingredients are clearly marked.Hope you're feeling well,

SukiOn Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 8:59 PM, Harper <flatcat9@...> wrote:

The whole thing does get easier with time -- much easier.

I THINK that although the basic Butterfingers is GF, there are some newer variants that are not. This is the case with several old-line candies -- Snickers being a prime example. Always read the label.

I haven't checked lately, but not long ago the plain variety of Altoids contained gluten, while some of the new flavors do not.

Werners plain hard candies used not to show wheat on their label. Now it does; I wonder if the ingredients changed or if they just began listing wheat that always was there.

Thank you so much as now that BUTTERFINGERS are GF I can move on with my life!!! I LOVE Butterfingers. I dont eat them often but thinking they where not made life less enjoyable.

-----Original Message-----

From: Gemma R Locatelli <gemmalocat>

Sent: Sun, Nov 1, 2009 8:53 pm

Subject: [ ] PAM

 

Hello Pam,

 

Thank you so much as now that BUTTERFINGERS are GF I can move on with my life!!! I LOVE Butterfingers. I dont eat them often but thinking they where not made life less enjoyable.

 

Anyways I have not been GF long. 3 Days? I had cut it out of my diet and even bought some good things for me,  like GF supps and so on. However I forgot to check my shamppoo and i t and my conditioner are both wheat based with WHEAT plants on the cover. No wonder my hair was falling out still and my DR thought maybe I was having contact derma something from some sort of stress related depression?

 

Anyways.. I have not been using it 3 days and already feel better, but I have a half a case of Lara bars if you want them.

 

Also I have some information about some places to hold a celiac support group meeting when ever you want too.

 

I am grateful for your support. I have been a very unhappy person for a long time, and now finally see the light!

 

gem=)

 

Gemma ' Locatelli

CeliacDSG/

" Be the change you want to see in the world! " -Gandhi