Guest guest Posted November 25, 2009 Report Share Posted November 25, 2009 This is my response to the email on 11/23/09 by thecraeg [jhinsf@...] regarding my post about mislabeled beef jerky. Sorry it is so long, but this is a very important topic for celiacs, and we all need to understand and discuss these issues. I don’t claim to have the last word on any of this; there aren’t any simple, easy answers on any topic regarding celiac disease. I do think we need to be very careful not to make decisions based on incomplete or inadequate information. My recommendation to the FDA was to have a tiered labeling system where “gluten-free” would mean no gluten-containing ingredients and produced in a GF facility and tested to the lowest practical level (currently 3 ppm). Products with no gluten-containing ingredients that are produced in a shared facility where contamination and ingredients are strictly controlled and are tested regularly (to 3 ppm) would be labeled “no gluten ingredients”. Products that contain wheat but test less than 20 ppm would be labeled “low gluten”. Anything else could not make any claim regarding gluten (other than “may contain” or “contains”). This makes it clear what the status of the product is and lets the consumer decide what level of exposure they will accept. Anything else leaves celiacs guessing about what they are buying unless they study the label and call the manufacturer. The tiered system also rewards manufacturers who go to the trouble of catering to celiacs with gluten-free facilities and strict controls by giving them special designations. To set the bar to the lowest common denominator will discourage those manufacturers and many may change their practices or go out of business, making the highest standard of gluten-free food less available. So while we may increase the number of foods labeled “gluten-free”, we will decrease the availability of foods produced with strict standards and increase the amount of gluten consumed by celiacs. Make no mistake, the FDA has chosen current system because it is easy. Easy for manufacturers, easy for the FDA. The needs of celiac consumers were not a priority in this decision. So while the FDA has “dumbed us down, ” assuming that consumers would be confused by a tiered system, I think they have only made it more confusing by not giving us the information we need. With regard to the statement in the post I am responding to: Studies the world over have shown that levels of 20 ppm of gluten are safe for celiac. I was surprised to hear this, and immediately searched the internet to see what information I could find to support it. What I did find was mostly that there is still considerable controversy about how much gluten it takes to cause measurable harm to celiacs, and quite a bit of variation between celiacs as to how much it takes to make a particular individual sick. Here is a sampling of what I found: http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/578637_1 Systematic Review: Tolerable Amount of Gluten for People With Coeliac Disease (8/2008) Results: Thirteen studies (three randomized controlled, one cohort, two crossover, and seven cross-sectional) met the inclusion criteria. The daily amount of tolerable gluten varied widely between studies. Whilst some patients tolerated an average of 34-36 mg of gluten per day, other patients who consumed about 10 mg of gluten per day developed mucosal abnormalities. The effect of the consumption of ‘gluten-free’ products with different degrees of gluten contamination was also inconsistent. Conclusions: The amount of tolerable gluten varies among people with coeliac disease. Although there is no evidence to suggest a single definitive threshold, a daily gluten intake of <10 mg is unlikely to cause significant histological abnormalities. This is a recent review of 13 studies that concludes that reactions differ among celiacs. Note that they conclude that 10 milligrams of gluten per day is “unlikely” to cause “histological abnormalities”. 10 milligrams is 1/400th of a teaspoon. “Unlikely” is hardly a confidence builder as to the strength of the conclusion. This means that 1/400th of a teaspoon of gluten per day is unlikely to cause intestinal damage to celiacs. This is an article that discusses the difference of opinions among support groups regarding the FDA definition of GF: http://www.celiactoday.com/Community/Opinions_Differ_as_US_FDA_Prepares_To_Define_What_‘GlutenFree’_Means In the celiac.com article referenced in the post I am responding to, I noted that the comments below the article by Clavarino, a member of the association who sponsored the study, has a completely different take on the study than the author of the article. I copied her comments below because they point out so many interesting results of the study that were not emphasized in the actual conclusion of the study. Her emphasis on the results is that more study is needed, a far different one than reaches, which is that because cross contamination is common, we shouldn’t worry about every little crumb of gluten. To me, this is like saying you shouldn’t worry about every little x-ray because radiation is everywhere. My concern is that it’s not the first or second x-ray that causes the damage; what should concern us is the cumulative effect of how may x-rays a particular individual has over a certain period of time and how many x-rays a person may absorb before sustaining damage. Everyone should read this very carefully, especially to note that some “healthy” Italian celiacs participating the study (about 1/5th) who regularly consumed products containing 20 ppm gluten had intestinal damage even before the study began. From the celiac.com article Research Study on the Establishment of a Safe Gluten Threshold for Celiac Disease Patients: Comments by Clavarino: I read with interest your remarks about the Catassi/Fasano study. As an active member of the AIC (Association of Italian Celiacs), sponsors of the study, and as the person responsible for revising the language of the text for publication…the study does raise some serious queries about background gluten contamination and its impact on the celiac intestine. When the authors remark that the IELs do not show a difference among the three groups of celiacs on long term gluten free diet (though not compared to the non celiac disease controls), they point out that the villous height/crypt depth ratio is a more valid and more sensitive marker of gluten trace contamination in celiacs on long-term dietary treatment. They also remark that " Despite the restricted criteria adopted in this study, the baseline duodenal biopsy results showed evidence of histologic damage (decreased median Vh/cd count and increased median IEL count in adult celiac disease patients receiving long-term dietary treatment. Furthermore, 4 of 49 subjects had to be excluded from the protocol because severe enteropathy(obscuring the possible effects of the micro challenge) was detected at the baseline evaluation. These results confirm that an abnormal smallbowel morphology persists in a significant proportion of celiac disease patients treated with a gluten-free diet, despite full resolution of their symptoms... " (due to) " ... the ongoing ingestion of gluten, either deliberate or inadvertent, causing persistent inflammation in the small-intestinal mucosa... " etc. As all medically diagnosed Italian celiacs receive a free monthly allowance of naturally (i.e. no wheat starch) gluten free products containing less than 20 ppm from the Italian government health service, and as all the volunteers for the study considered themselves to be healthy (otherwise they would certainly not have volunteered), the finding that 4 out of 49 had to be excluded for severe enteropathy and that histologic damage persists in a significant proportion of adult celiac disease patients on long-term gluten-free diet, besides the other findings of the study (i.e. that 50 mg of gluten per day for only 3 months of trial results in measurable intestinal damage, while there was significant improvement in the placebo group during the strictly monitored trial) is not reassuring. In the light of the Catalan study on the amount of gluten-free dietary foods actually consumed by celiacs in Europe - together with the constant risk of involuntary background contamination and the varying degrees of individual sensitivity - the absolute maximum threshold of ppm in gluten-free products must be kept below 20 ppm. This is a very far cry from the current wording of the Codex Alimentarius which is based on the old standard of the nitrogen content in food. I hope that these words may help to clarify the importance of the work done by Profs. Catassi and Fasano, the Association of Italian Celiacs, the study by the Catalan research group (previously cited on your website), and the need for further research and information as to the impact of micro-traces of gluten on celiac disease and its complications so as to ensure that celiacs may make fully informed decisions about their dietary choices. In another Celiac.com article, “FDA’s gluten-free proposal will benefit millions of Celiacs”, references what appears to be the same study when he states, “The study, conducted by members of the ACDA at the University of land and referenced by the FDA, concludes that celiacs can safely tolerate up to 20 parts per million (ppm) of gluten a day.” This is a bit surprising, since 20 ppm is not a measurement of a safe daily amount of gluten; it is a measure of how much gluten a particular food contains, and the study made no such conclusion. I think we need more than one study with 49 patients in Italy before we can reliably state what amount of gluten any celiac can safely consume. As to “gluten phobia”, my philosophy of gluten has been developed through trial and error by feeding my celiac family for over 20 years. Everything I do, I do for a reason born of actual experiences and years of trial and error. When flours from the bulk bin made them sick, I switched to Bob’s Red Mill packaged flours; when Bob’s Red Mill flours made them sick (because at the time they shared the same grinding stone and facilities with gluten grains) we bought a grain mill and 25 lb bags of organic brown rice to grind our own. When Sesmark rice crackers made them sick, we ate and Sons which did not. When I found that some bags of Bearitos Crunchetos made them sick, and some did not, I realized that even within the same product, cross contamination could occur in some batches and not in others (even within the same batch, the first product off a shared line could be more contaminated than what went through at the end of the batch), I began to take cross contamination more seriously. After several vacations ruined by being sick, I realized that no matter how many questions we asked or how carefully we ordered, eating out 3 meals a day was going to result in gluten overload. Even this year I began to suspect that something at one of our favorite restaurants was making them sick; I put off the investigation because I did not want to discover we couldn’t eat there anymore. My kids paid the price and I am still kicking myself for not listening to my instincts sooner (especially since the offending ingredient was easy to avoid). All these things and many, many more I have learned the hard way, and all these experiences and many, many more have shaped my actions and attitudes about how to keep a celiac healthy. Because gluten is everywhere and because I want my kids to live in the world and not isolated from it, that is precisely why I am adamant that at home we eat only foods that I know are safe. I know there is no way I can protect my family from every molecule of gluten. I also know that the amount of gluten they can eat without showing symptoms (I can only hope that any sub-clinical damage is not enough to do significant damage) is as vanishingly small as 1/400th of a teaspoon a day. Thus, the game is this: my goal is to keep the gluten load below the level of harm. To this end, what they eat at home must be as close to zero gluten as I can make it. If I start adding foods at home that contain 200 or 20 or 10 or 5 PPM gluten and they eat these things day after day, then the base level changes: they will already be compromised when they go out in the world and will reach the level of harm that much faster. I am not looking for some impossible-to-meet ideal. All I would ask for is a labeling system that gives celiacs the information they need to make informed choices about the food they buy. Then I can make choices appropriate for my family and my philosophy of gluten exposure and feel confident of what I read on the label. I only feel lucky that the Farmer’s Market actually listed the wheat in their product, which allowed me to avoid it. And I have learned that I can no longer assume a product that proclaims itself to be “gluten-free” on the label is one I would feel safe feeding to my family. I hope in the future other manufacturers will list all wheat, barley rye, and oats on their labels, but I suspect that sooner or later I will find my kids getting sick from some product labeled gluten-free only to find out that it contains unlisted gluten that tested as containing less than 20 ppm by some lab but did not pass my family’s gut test. If this is gluten-phobia by someone’s definition, bring it on. I don’t think it disrupts my or my family’s lives or makes us unhealthy in any way. Pam Newbury Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2009 Report Share Posted November 26, 2009 Thank you, Pam!I and my wife, a severe celiac who was transfused 8 times (16 pints) the first year after CS was diagnosed (gluten levels took a long time to go down) and who has been on ProCrit (to increase red cell production) for the last year, have been long aware that even very small amounts of inadvertent gluten can have a major impact on her. Sometime duriing a trip last year, despite all of our precautions, she was glutened. All of a sudden her hemoglobin and hemocrit dropped, she was anemic again, and had to start ProCrit.How how or low a level of gluten was in the supposedly GF food she ate? We don't know. We also read, as librarians who have also researched the issue, that "systematic review" you cited from the 08/28/08 issue of Alimentary Pharmacology & Therapeutics. It is about as good as information about the issues of appropriate gluten levels gets. The FDA is under such pressure by the food industry that I'm not surprised when compromises that endanger the health of consumers are made. This is one of them. If my wife can not trust "gluten-free" labels because of their compliance with "FDA standards," then we will not buy the products. As for going out, well, we still do but to very few places and only if we contact them first and find out about their kitchen practices.As for the total amount of gluten that someone consumes during the course of a day, this can be exponentially greater if prepared foods comply with a 20ppm level rather than a 3ppm level. This exacerbates the situation for someone like my wife but may be disadvantageous to almost anybody with CS.I think your kids are lucky to have somebody who is so "gluten phobic" as you, as we are all muddling through a situation that still lacks sufficient research. It is absolutely better to be obsessively safe than sorry. HogleFreelance academic librarianInstructor, online researchEmail: jjhogle@...Web: (under de- and re-construction) www.blueroom.comReality ain't what you think it isArt Graphics & Photographs[http://www.blueroom.com/realityaint.htm]From: Pam Newbury <pknewbury@...> Sent: Wed, November 25, 2009 3:53:19 PMSubject: [ ] Labeling, gluten thresholds, and my philosophy of gluten exposure This is my response to the email on 11/23/09 by thecraeg [jhinsfgmail (DOT) com] regarding my post about mislabeled beef jerky. Sorry it is so long, but this is a very important topic for celiacs, and we all need to understand and discuss these issues. I don’t claim to have the last word on any of this; there aren’t any simple, easy answers on any topic regarding celiac disease. I do think we need to be very careful not to make decisions based on incomplete or inadequate information. My recommendation to the FDA was to have a tiered labeling system where “gluten-free†would mean no gluten-containing ingredients and produced in a GF facility and tested to the lowest practical level (currently 3 ppm). Products with no gluten-containing ingredients that are produced in a shared facility where contamination and ingredients are strictly controlled and are tested regularly (to 3 ppm) would be labeled “no gluten ingredientsâ€. Products that contain wheat but test less than 20 ppm would be labeled “low glutenâ€. Anything else could not make any claim regarding gluten (other than “may contain†or “containsâ€). This makes it clear what the status of the product is and lets the consumer decide what level of exposure they will accept. Anything else leaves celiacs guessing about what they are buying unless they study the label and call the manufacturer. The tiered system also rewards manufacturers who go to the trouble of catering to celiacs with gluten-free facilities and strict controls by giving them special designations. To set the bar to the lowest common denominator will discourage those manufacturers and many may change their practices or go out of business, making the highest standard of gluten-free food less available. So while we may increase the number of foods labeled “gluten-freeâ€, we will decrease the availability of foods produced with strict standards and increase the amount of gluten consumed by celiacs. Make no mistake, the FDA has chosen current system because it is easy. Easy for manufacturers, easy for the FDA. The needs of celiac consumers were not a priority in this decision. So while the FDA has “dumbed us down, †assuming that consumers would be confused by a tiered system, I think they have only made it more confusing by not giving us the information we need. With regard to the statement in the post I am responding to: Studies the world over have shown that levels of 20 ppm of gluten are safe for celiac. I was surprised to hear this, and immediately searched the internet to see what information I could find to support it. What I did find was mostly that there is still considerable controversy about how much gluten it takes to cause measurable harm to celiacs, and quite a bit of variation between celiacs as to how much it takes to make a particular individual sick. Here is a sampling of what I found: http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/578637_1 Systematic Review: Tolerable Amount of Gluten for People With Coeliac Disease (8/2008) Results: Thirteen studies (three randomized controlled, one cohort, two crossover, and seven cross-sectional) met the inclusion criteria. The daily amount of tolerable gluten varied widely between studies. Whilst some patients tolerated an average of 34-36 mg of gluten per day, other patients who consumed about 10 mg of gluten per day developed mucosal abnormalities. The effect of the consumption of ‘gluten-free’ products with different degrees of gluten contamination was also inconsistent. Conclusions: The amount of tolerable gluten varies among people with coeliac disease. Although there is no evidence to suggest a single definitive threshold, a daily gluten intake of <10 mg is unlikely to cause significant histological abnormalities. This is a recent review of 13 studies that concludes that reactions differ among celiacs. Note that they conclude that 10 milligrams of gluten per day is “unlikely†to cause “histological abnormalitiesâ€. 10 milligrams is 1/400th of a teaspoon. “Unlikely†is hardly a confidence builder as to the strength of the conclusion. This means that 1/400th of a teaspoon of gluten per day is unlikely to cause intestinal damage to celiacs. This is an article that discusses the difference of opinions among support groups regarding the FDA definition of GF: http://www.celiactoday.com/Community/Opinions_Differ_as_US_FDA_Prepares_To_Define_What_%E2%80%98GlutenFree%E2%80%99_Means In the celiac.com article referenced in the post I am responding to, I noted that the comments below the article by Clavarino, a member of the association who sponsored the study, has a completely different take on the study than the author of the article. I copied her comments below because they point out so many interesting results of the study that were not emphasized in the actual conclusion of the study. Her emphasis on the results is that more study is needed, a far different one than reaches, which is that because cross contamination is common, we shouldn’t worry about every little crumb of gluten. To me, this is like saying you shouldn’t worry about every little x-ray because radiation is everywhere. My concern is that it’s not the first or second x-ray that causes the damage; what should concern us is the cumulative effect of how may x-rays a particular individual has over a certain period of time and how many x-rays a person may absorb before sustaining damage. Everyone should read this very carefully, especially to note that some “healthy†Italian celiacs participating the study (about 1/5th) who regularly consumed products containing 20 ppm gluten had intestinal damage even before the study began. From the celiac.com article Research Study on the Establishment of a Safe Gluten Threshold for Celiac Disease Patients: Comments by Clavarino: I read with interest your remarks about the Catassi/Fasano study. As an active member of the AIC (Association of Italian Celiacs), sponsors of the study, and as the person responsible for revising the language of the text for publication…the study does raise some serious queries about background gluten contamination and its impact on the celiac intestine. When the authors remark that the IELs do not show a difference among the three groups of celiacs on long term gluten free diet (though not compared to the non celiac disease controls), they point out that the villous height/crypt depth ratio is a more valid and more sensitive marker of gluten trace contamination in celiacs on long-term dietary treatment. They also remark that "Despite the restricted criteria adopted in this study, the baseline duodenal biopsy results showed evidence of histologic damage (decreased median Vh/cd count and increased median IEL count in adult celiac disease patients receiving long-term dietary treatment. Furthermore, 4 of 49 subjects had to be excluded from the protocol because severe enteropathy(obscuring the possible effects of the micro challenge) was detected at the baseline evaluation. These results confirm that an abnormal smallbowel morphology persists in a significant proportion of celiac disease patients treated with a gluten-free diet, despite full resolution of their symptoms..."(due to)"... the ongoing ingestion of gluten, either deliberate or inadvertent, causing persistent inflammation in the small-intestinal mucosa..." etc. As all medically diagnosed Italian celiacs receive a free monthly allowance of naturally (i.e. no wheat starch) gluten free products containing less than 20 ppm from the Italian government health service, and as all the volunteers for the study considered themselves to be healthy (otherwise they would certainly not have volunteered) , the finding that 4 out of 49 had to be excluded for severe enteropathy and that histologic damage persists in a significant proportion of adult celiac disease patients on long-term gluten-free diet, besides the other findings of the study (i.e. that 50 mg of gluten per day for only 3 months of trial results in measurable intestinal damage, while there was significant improvement in the placebo group during the strictly monitored trial) is not reassuring. In the light of the Catalan study on the amount of gluten-free dietary foods actually consumed by celiacs in Europe - together with the constant risk of involuntary background contamination and the varying degrees of individual sensitivity - the absolute maximum threshold of ppm in gluten-free products must be kept below 20 ppm. This is a very far cry from the current wording of the Codex Alimentarius which is based on the old standard of the nitrogen content in food. I hope that these words may help to clarify the importance of the work done by Profs. Catassi and Fasano, the Association of Italian Celiacs, the study by the Catalan research group (previously cited on your website), and the need for further research and information as to the impact of micro-traces of gluten on celiac disease and its complications so as to ensure that celiacs may make fully informed decisions about their dietary choices. In another Celiac.com article, “FDA’s gluten-free proposal will benefit millions of Celiacsâ€, references what appears to be the same study when he states, “The study, conducted by members of the ACDA at the University of land and referenced by the FDA, concludes that celiacs can safely tolerate up to 20 parts per million (ppm) of gluten a day.†This is a bit surprising, since 20 ppm is not a measurement of a safe daily amount of gluten; it is a measure of how much gluten a particular food contains, and the study made no such conclusion. I think we need more than one study with 49 patients in Italy before we can reliably state what amount of gluten any celiac can safely consume. As to “gluten phobiaâ€, my philosophy of gluten has been developed through trial and error by feeding my celiac family for over 20 years. Everything I do, I do for a reason born of actual experiences and years of trial and error. When flours from the bulk bin made them sick, I switched to Bob’s Red Mill packaged flours; when Bob’s Red Mill flours made them sick (because at the time they shared the same grinding stone and facilities with gluten grains) we bought a grain mill and 25 lb bags of organic brown rice to grind our own. When Sesmark rice crackers made them sick, we ate and Sons which did not. When I found that some bags of Bearitos Crunchetos made them sick, and some did not, I realized that even within the same product, cross contamination could occur in some batches and not in others (even within the same batch, the first product off a shared line could be more contaminated than what went through at the end of the batch), I began to take cross contamination more seriously. After several vacations ruined by being sick, I realized that no matter how many questions we asked or how carefully we ordered, eating out 3 meals a day was going to result in gluten overload. Even this year I began to suspect that something at one of our favorite restaurants was making them sick; I put off the investigation because I did not want to discover we couldn’t eat there anymore. My kids paid the price and I am still kicking myself for not listening to my instincts sooner (especially since the offending ingredient was easy to avoid). All these things and many, many more I have learned the hard way, and all these experiences and many, many more have shaped my actions and attitudes about how to keep a celiac healthy. Because gluten is everywhere and because I want my kids to live in the world and not isolated from it, that is precisely why I am adamant that at home we eat only foods that I know are safe. I know there is no way I can protect my family from every molecule of gluten. I also know that the amount of gluten they can eat without showing symptoms (I can only hope that any sub-clinical damage is not enough to do significant damage) is as vanishingly small as 1/400th of a teaspoon a day. Thus, the game is this: my goal is to keep the gluten load below the level of harm. To this end, what they eat at home must be as close to zero gluten as I can make it. If I start adding foods at home that contain 200 or 20 or 10 or 5 PPM gluten and they eat these things day after day, then the base level changes: they will already be compromised when they go out in the world and will reach the level of harm that much faster. I am not looking for some impossible-to- meet ideal. All I would ask for is a labeling system that gives celiacs the information they need to make informed choices about the food they buy. Then I can make choices appropriate for my family and my philosophy of gluten exposure and feel confident of what I read on the label. I only feel lucky that the Farmer’s Market actually listed the wheat in their product, which allowed me to avoid it. And I have learned that I can no longer assume a product that proclaims itself to be “gluten-free†on the label is one I would feel safe feeding to my family. I hope in the future other manufacturers will list all wheat, barley rye, and oats on their labels, but I suspect that sooner or later I will find my kids getting sick from some product labeled gluten-free only to find out that it contains unlisted gluten that tested as containing less than 20 ppm by some lab but did not pass my family’s gut test. If this is gluten-phobia by someone’s definition, bring it on. I don’t think it disrupts my or my family’s lives or makes us unhealthy in any way. Pam Newbury Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2009 Report Share Posted November 27, 2009 Pam, Thank you so much for your wonderfully thoughtful response regarding proper labeling of food and the lack of evidence for universal safe levels of gluten. For the same reasons as you, I aim to eat gluten-free, where "free" means zero. I completely agree that your proposal for FDA labeling was the best from the perspective of patients and consumers. Since it is our health, we should have the tools available to make the best and most informed decisions. I will be saving this post. Regards, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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