Guest guest Posted March 28, 2007 Report Share Posted March 28, 2007 Hi Mike are you sure its deficiencies ? - reactivity to vitamins does not always mean deficiency it can be excess or toxicity which makes the body react to those frequencies. If you do an individual reaction you have the facility after some questions to test for item being toxic. If they are eating foods rich in these vitamins and taking supplements perhaps they are getting to much or they may be sensitive to the type of vitamin C they are taking. If that is the case something like Ester C which is less acidic and gentler can be more tolerable ..I hope that helps, Donna M > From: " Mike Piper " <privatepc@...> > Reply-qxci-english > Date: 28 Mar 2007 02:59:21 -0700 > " Qxci-Englishgroups (DOT) Com " <qxci-english > > Subject: Vitamin deficiencies > > Hello group, > > Can anyone suggest how I might further explore the problem I have with a > client who comes up with beta carotene and vitamin C deficiencies despite > the fact that they regularly eat plenty of natural foods that contain these > vitamins. > > I have seen this with people who also have a mal-absorbtion issue but this > does not appear to be the case with this client. > > As ever your thoughts will be much appreciated. > > Many thanks, > > Mike > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.18/734 - Release Date: 26/03/2007 > 14:31 > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2007 Report Share Posted March 28, 2007 Hi Mike are you sure its deficiencies ? - reactivity to vitamins does not always mean deficiency it can be excess or toxicity which makes the body react to those frequencies. If you do an individual reaction you have the facility after some questions to test for item being toxic. If they are eating foods rich in these vitamins and taking supplements perhaps they are getting to much or they may be sensitive to the type of vitamin C they are taking. If that is the case something like Ester C which is less acidic and gentler can be more tolerable ..I hope that helps, Donna M > From: " Mike Piper " <privatepc@...> > Reply-qxci-english > Date: 28 Mar 2007 02:59:21 -0700 > " Qxci-Englishgroups (DOT) Com " <qxci-english > > Subject: Vitamin deficiencies > > Hello group, > > Can anyone suggest how I might further explore the problem I have with a > client who comes up with beta carotene and vitamin C deficiencies despite > the fact that they regularly eat plenty of natural foods that contain these > vitamins. > > I have seen this with people who also have a mal-absorbtion issue but this > does not appear to be the case with this client. > > As ever your thoughts will be much appreciated. > > Many thanks, > > Mike > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.18/734 - Release Date: 26/03/2007 > 14:31 > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2007 Report Share Posted March 28, 2007 how are you easuring the deficiciency? Have you visited www.imune.net yet? Dr Kelsey PhDsee www.qxcisynergy.co.uk for Tech Info, Manuals, AccessoriesT:+44 (0)121 243 6318F: +44 (0)870 460 1138 Vitamin deficiencies Hello group, Can anyone suggest how I might further explore the problem I have with a client who comes up with beta carotene and vitamin C deficiencies despite the fact that they regularly eat plenty of natural foods that contain these vitamins. I have seen this with people who also have a mal-absorbtion issue but this does not appear to be the case with this client. As ever your thoughts will be much appreciated. Many thanks, Mike --No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.18/734 - Release Date: 26/03/2007 14:31 No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.20/736 - Release Date: 3/27/2007 16:38 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2007 Report Share Posted March 28, 2007 You may ask him to pick up Tissue Salt Silicae 12x or 6x if he cannot find 12x. (usually Over-the-counter or OTC) Two tablets twice a day and let dissolve in mouth. Silice Tissue/Cell Salts help with absorption of all nutritients. Wishing you health, Caroline www.wellness-star.com On 28 Mar 2007 02:59:21 -0700, Mike Piper <privatepc@...> wrote: Hello group, Can anyone suggest how I might further explore the problem I have with a client who comes up with beta carotene and vitamin C deficiencies despite the fact that they regularly eat plenty of natural foods that contain these vitamins. I have seen this with people who also have a mal-absorbtion issue but this does not appear to be the case with this client. As ever your thoughts will be much appreciated. Many thanks, Mike --No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.18/734 - Release Date: 26/03/2007 14:31 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 29, 2007 Report Share Posted March 29, 2007 Regarding lack of absorption, Microhydrin (which is on the Matrix, #3994) is an excellent product and allows 100% absorption of any vitamin or mineral or other substance. That is why Dr. Labach-Bourne recommends putting it into the water when treating with his coil. Hope this helps! Nona Baker Re: Vitamin deficiencies You may ask him to pick up Tissue Salt Silicae 12x or 6x if he cannot find 12x. (usually Over-the-counter or OTC) Two tablets twice a day and let dissolve in mouth. Silice Tissue/Cell Salts help with absorption of all nutritients. Wishing you health, Caroline www.wellness-star.com On 28 Mar 2007 02:59:21 -0700, Mike Piper <privatepcscreaming (DOT) net> wrote: Hello group, Can anyone suggest how I might further explore the problem I have with a client who comes up with beta carotene and vitamin C deficiencies despite the fact that they regularly eat plenty of natural foods that contain these vitamins. I have seen this with people who also have a mal-absorbtion issue but this does not appear to be the case with this client. As ever your thoughts will be much appreciated. Many thanks, Mike --No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.18/734 - Release Date: 26/03/2007 14:31 No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.413 / Virus Database: 268.18.20/736 - Release Date: 3/27/2007 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2010 Report Share Posted April 19, 2010 Hi there,  I was in a similar spot. I would also be weary of any actual glutenings, because that will set your tum tum back as well - including your vitamin absorbtion.  One thing that is really interesting though is that now that my stomach has healed (10 months later) a glutening gets by a little quicker, more like 2 days initial and a 2 week lag, rather than 4 days of nausea and fatigue then a 3 week lag.  I would assume the vitamins have the sort of time frame with absorbing into your body. although i'm not a doctor, it's just sort of what i've noticed for myself.  Are you trying L-Glutamine at all? That always helps my tum after a glutening oh and a major player for me is taking digestive enzymes for about a week after i've been glutened. it just helps the tum overall do it's job while it's healing.  vitatmins always seem to take better when the stomach is healed.  ps - 4-5 years seems a bit extreme. Ithought it was 1 yr. but i could totally be wrong.   On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 2:34 PM, blick48 <jsonnenblick@...> wrote:  I'm 7 months GFree. Prior to being diagnosed with Celiac I was anemic and had low D. My levels have been going up with supplementation. However, I still have neck pain which I had pre diagnosis. My neck pain improved after being out in the sun all day this weekend leading me to believe the neck pain is due to a continuing vitamin D deficiency. My question is how long has it taken somen of you to correct your vitamin deficiencies? I've been staged a Marsh IIIa and I know it can take up to 4-5 years to completely heal my gut, but I thought I'd be aborbing vitamins better after 7 months. I take about 2000mg of D a day. I just had a blood test and will see what my levels are when I get the results but obviously I do better getting my D from the sun then from supplements. I also think I still have iron deficiency problems causing fatigued muscles. Any input would be appreciated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2010 Report Share Posted April 19, 2010 Well, if you know that it might take 4-5 years to heal your gut, through which everything is absorbed, why wouldn't that affect Vitamin D absorbtion too? Having said that, maybe your doctor or dietician might have suggestions re: the best method for you to take in D. Worth the ask. Good luck.Melis B----- "blick48" <jsonnenblick@...> wrote: > > > > I'm 7 months GFree. Prior to being diagnosed with Celiac I was anemic and had low D. My levels have been going up with supplementation. However, I still have neck pain which I had pre diagnosis. My neck pain improved after being out in the sun all day this weekend leading me to believe the neck pain is due to a continuing vitamin D deficiency. My question is how long has it taken somen of you to correct your vitamin deficiencies? I've been staged a Marsh IIIa and I know it can take up to 4-5 years to completely heal my gut, but I thought I'd be aborbing vitamins better after 7 months. I take about 2000mg of D a day. I just had a blood test and will see what my levels are when I get the results but obviously I do better getting my D from the sun then from supplements. I also think I still have iron deficiency problems causing fatigued muscles. Any input would be appreciated. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2010 Report Share Posted April 20, 2010 Make sure you are taking D3 and not D2. There are studies showing that D2 does not stay in your system more than a couple days.It took my mother about a year to get her vitamin D levels up. She often takes 5 to 10k per day of D3. I'm not sure if there is a " max " you should take on a daily basis or not, but I take 5-10k per day on days that I remember to take my vitamins (a few times a week at least). I think there might also be issues on absorbing the vitamin D by eating certain foods with intake. I'm not sure... maybe do some googling for more research. Whatever you do if you get tested every couple of months you can track the progress at least.On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 2:34 PM, blick48 <jsonnenblick@...> wrote: Â I'm 7 months GFree. Prior to being diagnosed with Celiac I was anemic and had low D. My levels have been going up with supplementation. However, I still have neck pain which I had pre diagnosis. My neck pain improved after being out in the sun all day this weekend leading me to believe the neck pain is due to a continuing vitamin D deficiency. My question is how long has it taken somen of you to correct your vitamin deficiencies? I've been staged a Marsh IIIa and I know it can take up to 4-5 years to completely heal my gut, but I thought I'd be aborbing vitamins better after 7 months. I take about 2000mg of D a day. I just had a blood test and will see what my levels are when I get the results but obviously I do better getting my D from the sun then from supplements. I also think I still have iron deficiency problems causing fatigued muscles. Any input would be appreciated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2010 Report Share Posted April 20, 2010 It was Dr. Aron who told me that it could take my gut 4-5 years to completely heal -as that is when 95 % of patients heal with a Marsh IIIa. Could be sooner like a year or two --- I hope that's the case with me. Guess I'm just frustrated after feeling sick for so long--I just want to feel better already and get rid of all the aches and pains. One doctor told me the vitamin deficiencies would correct in 6 months. Since the disease is different for everyone I just wanted to get a sense of how long it took others to correct their deficiencies and feel better. I've been over my diet with a fine tooth comb and don't know where I would be getting any gluten. I've taken dairy out of my diet and that has helped some with digestive issues. I've tried l-glutamine and that just doesn't sit well with me. Can't do priobiotics because of SIBO per Dr. Aron. Doing lots of fish oil and do take enzymes every now and again. It's the neck ache and pain thats hanging on that just wouldn't go away until the mega doses of sunshine this weekend. Guess I'll just be spending lots of time outdoors! I guess it could be worse. Thanks for input. > > > > > > > I'm 7 months GFree. Prior to being diagnosed with Celiac I was anemic and > > had low D. My levels have been going up with supplementation. However, I > > still have neck pain which I had pre diagnosis. My neck pain improved after > > being out in the sun all day this weekend leading me to believe the neck > > pain is due to a continuing vitamin D deficiency. My question is how long > > has it taken somen of you to correct your vitamin deficiencies? I've been > > staged a Marsh IIIa and I know it can take up to 4-5 years to completely > > heal my gut, but I thought I'd be aborbing vitamins better after 7 months. I > > take about 2000mg of D a day. I just had a blood test and will see what my > > levels are when I get the results but obviously I do better getting my D > > from the sun then from supplements. I also think I still have iron > > deficiency problems causing fatigued muscles. Any input would be > > appreciated. > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2010 Report Share Posted April 20, 2010 I am taking Trader Joe's vitamin D, not sure whether it's D3 or D2 but will check. Thanks for the input. > > > > > > > I'm 7 months GFree. Prior to being diagnosed with Celiac I was anemic and > > had low D. My levels have been going up with supplementation. However, I > > still have neck pain which I had pre diagnosis. My neck pain improved after > > being out in the sun all day this weekend leading me to believe the neck > > pain is due to a continuing vitamin D deficiency. My question is how long > > has it taken somen of you to correct your vitamin deficiencies? I've been > > staged a Marsh IIIa and I know it can take up to 4-5 years to completely > > heal my gut, but I thought I'd be aborbing vitamins better after 7 months. I > > take about 2000mg of D a day. I just had a blood test and will see what my > > levels are when I get the results but obviously I do better getting my D > > from the sun then from supplements. I also think I still have iron > > deficiency problems causing fatigued muscles. Any input would be > > appreciated. > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2010 Report Share Posted April 20, 2010 My daughter, a patient of Dr. Aron as well, does best when she's active. Exercise, reduce sugar, no soda...and get that sunshine when you can. It's sooooooooo frustrating to feel bad most if not all the time. Try some biofeedback, visualizations, meditation. You never know what positive and calming thoughts can do. Be well.----- "blick48" <jsonnenblick@...> wrote: > > > > It was Dr. Aron who told me that it could take my gut 4-5 years to completely heal -as that is when 95 % of patients heal with a Marsh IIIa. Could be sooner like a year or two --- I hope that's the case with me. Guess I'm just frustrated after feeling sick for so long--I just want to feel better already and get rid of all the aches and pains. One doctor told me the vitamin deficiencies would correct in 6 months. Since the disease is different for everyone I just wanted to get a sense of how long it took others to correct their deficiencies and feel better. I've been over my diet with a fine tooth comb and don't know where I would be getting any gluten. I've taken dairy out of my diet and that has helped some with digestive issues. I've tried l-glutamine and that just doesn't sit well with me. Can't do priobiotics because of SIBO per Dr. Aron. Doing lots of fish oil and do take enzymes every now and again. It's the neck ache and pain thats hanging on that just wouldn't go away until the mega doses of sunshine this weekend. Guess I'll just be spending lots of time outdoors! I guess it could be worse.> Thanks for input.> > > > > >> > >> > > I'm 7 months GFree. Prior to being diagnosed with Celiac I was anemic and> > > had low D. My levels have been going up with supplementation. However, I> > > still have neck pain which I had pre diagnosis. My neck pain improved after> > > being out in the sun all day this weekend leading me to believe the neck> > > pain is due to a continuing vitamin D deficiency. My question is how long> > > has it taken somen of you to correct your vitamin deficiencies? I've been> > > staged a Marsh IIIa and I know it can take up to 4-5 years to completely> > > heal my gut, but I thought I'd be aborbing vitamins better after 7 months. I> > > take about 2000mg of D a day. I just had a blood test and will see what my> > > levels are when I get the results but obviously I do better getting my D> > > from the sun then from supplements. I also think I still have iron> > > deficiency problems causing fatigued muscles. Any input would be> > > appreciated.> > >> > > > > >> >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2010 Report Share Posted April 20, 2010 Hi: I just listened to a great video on YouTube by Dr. Vikki sen that talks about reasons that Vit. D levels might not come up even if you are totally gluten free. There was a lot of great information, including some surprising information on how other supplements - like retinol (vit. A) and cod liver oil - could block absorption of D. This might give you some other avenues to investigate. The title is: Vitamin D3: Latest Research. Good Luck! > > > > > > > > > > > I'm 7 months GFree. Prior to being diagnosed with Celiac I was anemic and > > > had low D. My levels have been going up with supplementation. However, I > > > still have neck pain which I had pre diagnosis. My neck pain improved after > > > being out in the sun all day this weekend leading me to believe the neck > > > pain is due to a continuing vitamin D deficiency. My question is how long > > > has it taken somen of you to correct your vitamin deficiencies? I've been > > > staged a Marsh IIIa and I know it can take up to 4-5 years to completely > > > heal my gut, but I thought I'd be aborbing vitamins better after 7 months. I > > > take about 2000mg of D a day. I just had a blood test and will see what my > > > levels are when I get the results but obviously I do better getting my D > > > from the sun then from supplements. I also think I still have iron > > > deficiency problems causing fatigued muscles. Any input would be > > > appreciated. > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2010 Report Share Posted April 20, 2010 Many nutrient deficiencies can lead to muscle pains. You can learn about symptoms and the nutrient deficiencies that cause each in Recognizing Celiac Disease, by Cleo Libonati, RN, BSN. It will help you identify which kind of symptoms you have (muscle ache or spasm or cramp, etc.) and what causes it. By the way, have you tried a heating pad for your neck? Sometimes the heat can work the muscles loose. Libonati GlutenFreeWorks.comhttp://www.glutenfreeworks.com "Recognizing Celiac Disease"The Complete Guide to Recognizing, Diagnosing and Managing Celiac Diseasehttp://www.recognizingceliacdisease.com____________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2010 Report Share Posted April 21, 2010 How do you know what your Vitamin D levels are and that they need to go up? How did you get your doctor to test it? Thanks, From: Luther <l@...> Sent: Mon, April 19, 2010 4:01:12 PMSubject: Re: [ ] Vitamin deficiencies Make sure you are taking D3 and not D2. There are studies showing that D2 does not stay in your system more than a couple days.It took my mother about a year to get her vitamin D levels up. She often takes 5 to 10k per day of D3.I'm not sure if there is a "max" you should take on a daily basis or not, but I take 5-10k per day on days that I remember to take my vitamins (a few times a week at least). I think there might also be issues on absorbing the vitamin D by eating certain foods with intake. I'm not sure... maybe do some googling for more research.Whatever you do if you get tested every couple of months you can track the progress at least. On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 2:34 PM, blick48 <jsonnenblick> wrote: I'm 7 months GFree. Prior to being diagnosed with Celiac I was anemic and had low D. My levels have been going up with supplementation. However, I still have neck pain which I had pre diagnosis. My neck pain improved after being out in the sun all day this weekend leading me to believe the neck pain is due to a continuing vitamin D deficiency. My question is how long has it taken somen of you to correct your vitamin deficiencies? I've been staged a Marsh IIIa and I know it can take up to 4-5 years to completely heal my gut, but I thought I'd be aborbing vitamins better after 7 months. I take about 2000mg of D a day. I just had a blood test and will see what my levels are when I get the results but obviously I do better getting my D from the sun then from supplements. I also think I still have iron deficiency problems causing fatigued muscles. Any input would be appreciated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2010 Report Share Posted April 21, 2010 You can also order your own tests at a huge discount from Direct Labs http://resellers.directlabs.com/?rid=44.  Great if you don't have insurance or a dismissive doctor. -- Maia AlpernPlease note my new email address:delightfullyraw@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2010 Report Share Posted April 22, 2010 Liquid vitamins are easier to absorb, thus better for celiacs with damaged intestines. Vitamin D comes in liquid form. You can either take it in drops or in the liquid-filled soft-gels. In general, I find I do much better with liquid vitamins than the pill kind. Pam From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of blick48 Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 4:15 PM Subject: [ ] Re: Vitamin deficiencies I am taking Trader Joe's vitamin D, not sure whether it's D3 or D2 but will check. Thanks for the input. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2010 Report Share Posted April 23, 2010 > > Liquid vitamins are easier to absorb, thus better for celiacs with damaged > intestines. Vitamin D comes in liquid form. You can either take it in > drops or in the liquid-filled soft-gels. In general, I find I do much > better with liquid vitamins than the pill kind. Me too. The prescription D I'm taking is a gelcap. I find that solid vitamins tend to lay in my stomach and make me queasy, or I burp them up all day. I use the Mega Vita Gel from Puritan's Pride for a multi-vitamin. Puritan's Pride has really good prices on all sorts of supplements. Lori Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2010 Report Share Posted April 24, 2010 I have the same problem with solid vitamins. Thanks for the tips! > > > > Liquid vitamins are easier to absorb, thus better for celiacs with damaged > > intestines. Vitamin D comes in liquid form. You can either take it in > > drops or in the liquid-filled soft-gels. In general, I find I do much > > better with liquid vitamins than the pill kind. > > Me too. The prescription D I'm taking is a gelcap. I find that solid vitamins tend to lay in my stomach and make me queasy, or I burp them up all day. I use the Mega Vita Gel from Puritan's Pride for a multi-vitamin. Puritan's Pride has really good prices on all sorts of supplements. > > Lori > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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