Guest guest Posted December 12, 2002 Report Share Posted December 12, 2002 order of egg quality 1) (best) organic pastured egg, feed rich in grass and insects, supplemented with grain 2) organic free-range egg, grain in confinement or barn living, but let out to supplement diet with grass and bugs, possibly extra omega-3 food added 3) organic confinement omega-3 enriched egg, fed algel oil or something with end-chain n-3s like DHA 4) organic confinement omega-3 enriched egg, fed flax or something with non-end-chain n-3s from plant sources 5) organic confinement eggs, not enriched with omega-3s 6) non-organic confinement eggs, enriched with omega-3s (order of last two debatable) Look for eggs with the darkest, deepest yolk colors, preferably orange, not yellow, with whites that are not runny, and have a clearly defined firm, clear sac around the yolk. Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2002 Report Share Posted December 12, 2002 I would consider a good quality egg to be an egg which has come from a chicken which is allowed free access to bugs, grass, grain-all things in their natural diet. A good quality egg should have a nice orange yolk not a pale yellow one. thankyou danny ----- Original Message ----- From: Evely Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 2:41 PM Subject: EGGS? Price Pottenger Foundation says you should eat a " good quality egg " what would everyone here consider a " good quality egg? " thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2003 Report Share Posted February 25, 2003 In a message dated 2/25/03 6:09:04 PM Eastern Standard Time, je@... writes: > does anyone here buy frenz eggs? > www.frenzs.com > > are these eggs NT compatible if you do not have your own chickens and must > buy eggs from store? Are you kidding??? I only wish I could get my hands on eggs of this quality! The site says 70% of their diet is pasture! Chris ____ " What can one say of a soul, of a heart, filled with compassion? It is a heart which burns with love for every creature: for human beings, birds, and animals, for serpents and for demons. The thought of them and the sight of them make the tears of the saint flow. And this immense and intense compassion, which flows from the heart of the saints, makes them unable to bear the sight of the smallest, most insignificant wound in any creature. Thus they pray ceaselessly, with tears, even for animals, for enemies of the truth, and for those who do them wrong. " --Saint Isaac the Syrian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2003 Report Share Posted February 25, 2003 In a message dated 2/25/03 6:53:43 PM Eastern Standard Time, s.fisher22@... writes: > ------>is that accurate? I talked to two chicken farmers last week - both of > whom pasture their birds and one if which is certified organic, and they > said chickens don't eat more than 20% grass by choice. maybe it's just > *their* chickens? or maybe the grass in southern maine doesn't taste as good > as NZ grass? or is it a *breed* thang? is up to 70% grass a 'natural' diet > for a chicken? do any of you chicken farmers have any comments on that? i > never thought of chickens as *grazers* per se... I was wondering that, b/c that's what someone on this list said recently -- 20%. May well have something to do with soil quality. The chapter of Albrecht's work that I gave a link to " The Cow is A Capable Chemist " seems to indicate animals seek out nutrition indirectly through taste. In any case, they're pastured and there aren't any pastured eggs in the store in my area. Chris ____ " What can one say of a soul, of a heart, filled with compassion? It is a heart which burns with love for every creature: for human beings, birds, and animals, for serpents and for demons. The thought of them and the sight of them make the tears of the saint flow. And this immense and intense compassion, which flows from the heart of the saints, makes them unable to bear the sight of the smallest, most insignificant wound in any creature. Thus they pray ceaselessly, with tears, even for animals, for enemies of the truth, and for those who do them wrong. " --Saint Isaac the Syrian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2003 Report Share Posted February 25, 2003 > does anyone here buy frenz eggs? > www.frenzs.com > > are these eggs NT compatible if you do not have your own chickens and must > buy eggs from store? Are you kidding??? I only wish I could get my hands on eggs of this quality! The site says 70% of their diet is pasture! ------>is that accurate? I talked to two chicken farmers last week - both of whom pasture their birds and one if which is certified organic, and they said chickens don't eat more than 20% grass by choice. maybe it's just *their* chickens? or maybe the grass in southern maine doesn't taste as good as NZ grass? or is it a *breed* thang? is up to 70% grass a 'natural' diet for a chicken? do any of you chicken farmers have any comments on that? i never thought of chickens as *grazers* per se... Suze Fisher Lapdog Design, Inc. Web Design & Development http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg/ mailto:s.fisher22@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2003 Report Share Posted February 26, 2003 >does anyone here buy frenz eggs? >www.frenzs.com > >are these eggs NT compatible if you do not have your own chickens and must >buy eggs from store? I've never seen them at our store, but they sure look good. Good recipes too -- even egg nog with raw eggs! If the yolks are nice and orange and stand up high (don't flatten out), the chances are the hen is eating well. Sounds like these even get to eat bugs. > Heidi S Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2003 Report Share Posted February 26, 2003 Suze- >and they >said chickens don't eat more than 20% grass by choice. maybe it's just >*their* chickens? Grass, maybe, but what about bugs? Chickens are supposed to eat lots of bugs and grubs, though some breeds have been so damaged that they won't touch them. - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2003 Report Share Posted February 26, 2003 Suze- >and they >said chickens don't eat more than 20% grass by choice. maybe it's just >*their* chickens? Grass, maybe, but what about bugs? Chickens are supposed to eat lots of bugs and grubs, though some breeds have been so damaged that they won't touch them. ---->oh, i agree they go for bugs. but the frenz site says: A special, exclusive, natural feed has been developed for our hens using organicly certified grains, with no animal by-producst. Rotated paddocks allows continual access to fresh, unsprayed, green herbs and grass, which makes up 70% of the hen's natural intake. maybe they are referring to bugs, too. but the wording would then be misleading, since they clearly state that herbs and grass make up to 70% of their 'natural' diet. that's what i wonder about... Suze Fisher Lapdog Design, Inc. Web Design & Development http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg/ mailto:s.fisher22@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2003 Report Share Posted February 26, 2003 Salatin, who is the person that popularized the notion of pastured poultry in his book, Pastured Poultry Profits, says that under ideal circumstances that hens can obtain about 50% of their nutrition from the pasture. This does not mean they get 50% of their nutrition from grass. Much of the nutrition comes from eating insects and worms. His main use of hens was to follow behind his cows so the hens could scratch through the cowpies and eat the insect larva. He would provide free choice feed to the hens. During the height of the bug season, they would eat about half of the feed that they would during the winter, when he keeps them in a hoop house. He also found that as he increased the stocking density of the hens that the amount of feed they ate per bird went up. He reasoned that there were only so many bugs and worms in a given area and more chickens meant they each got less. So, they ate more feed. Chickens will get some nutrition directly from grass. My own experience raising chickens was that I could cut about 10-15% of my feed in the summer by feeding grass clippings. The frenz website makes mention of of 70% of the intake being grasses and herbs. That may be true from a volume or bulk perspective, but grass is not a dense feed. 70% of intake by weight (grass is mostly water) would probably be no more than 10-15% of caloric intake, which would be in line with my expectations. They also say they stock at 350 hens to an acre, which is far more dense than would stock for his pasture " sanitizing " purposes. Don't get me wrong here, these are the best eggs I've ever seen advertised. To get better eggs you will have to go to a small local farmer who is very diligent in the care of his birds or raise your own. When raising meat chickens, both younger and from more lethargic cornish-cross hybrid, Salatin found that the pasture would only provide about 10% of the feed value, but helped immensely in keeping the chickens healthy and creating a better tasting, more healthy end product. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2003 Report Share Posted February 26, 2003 Suze- >A special, exclusive, natural feed has been developed for our hens using >organicly certified grains, with no animal by-producst. Rotated paddocks >allows continual access to fresh, unsprayed, green herbs and grass, which >makes up 70% of the hen's natural intake. Hmm, that is weird. I emailed them to ask whether their eggs are available in my area, but at least for me, the subject is probably moot. - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2003 Report Share Posted February 26, 2003 so the other 30% is grains?? ----- Original Message ----- From: " Suze Fisher " <s.fisher22@...> < > Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 3:52 PM Subject: RE: eggs? > > does anyone here buy frenz eggs? > > www.frenzs.com > > > > are these eggs NT compatible if you do not have your own chickens and > must > > buy eggs from store? > > Are you kidding??? I only wish I could get my hands on eggs of this > quality! > The site says 70% of their diet is pasture! > > ------>is that accurate? I talked to two chicken farmers last week - both of > whom pasture their birds and one if which is certified organic, and they > said chickens don't eat more than 20% grass by choice. maybe it's just > *their* chickens? or maybe the grass in southern maine doesn't taste as good > as NZ grass? or is it a *breed* thang? is up to 70% grass a 'natural' diet > for a chicken? do any of you chicken farmers have any comments on that? i > never thought of chickens as *grazers* per se... > > Suze Fisher > Lapdog Design, Inc. > Web Design & Development > http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg/ > mailto:s.fisher22@... > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2003 Report Share Posted February 26, 2003 they rotate >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They also say they stock at 350 hens to an acre, which is far more dense than would stock for his pasture " sanitizing " purposes. Don't get me wrong here, these are the best eggs I've ever seen advertised. To get better eggs you will have to go to a small local farmer who is very diligent in the care of his birds or raise your own. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2003 Report Share Posted February 26, 2003 Tyler, thanks for the illuminatin post. i guess the farmers i get my eggs from must have read salatin's book (hi linda, if you're reading this :-) i only say good things about your eggs :-)), because they have their chickens follow their cattle and sheep in the paddocks (in season). the chickens do quite a bit of pecking at the manure, they say. i agree the frenz eggs look good for commercial eggs, but i can't imagine the environmental cost of shipping them to the US....local, local, local as much as possible, is the message of the price foundation. there must be good eggs in the US. Suze Fisher Lapdog Design, Inc. Web Design & Development http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg/ mailto:s.fisher22@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2003 Report Share Posted February 26, 2003 >is up to 70% grass a 'natural' diet >for a chicken? do any of you chicken farmers have any comments on that? i >never thought of chickens as *grazers* per se... Mine are loose now, and the grass is short! They have effectively " trimmed " about half an acre (15 chickens). I don't know how much of their diet is grass, but they sure eat a lot of it. The bugs are all gone too. I suppose if we have enough chickens we won't need the goats for grass trimming. I read in an article on pastured chickens that they eat 30% less chicken feed if they have access to grass, which may be where the 30% comes from -- that may be correct, because the grass probably doesn't supply as many calories. Chicken feed is very concentrated, grass isn't. So I supposed it depends on whether you are counting calories or volume. Each of mine gets maybe half a cup of feed or leftovers a day, and I'd bet they eat a *lot* more than that in grass (and bugs). They basically eat all day long. Chickens that are laying every day get REALLY hungry. At the end of the day their crops are just bulging, looks like they swallowed a goose egg. And Suze -- yeah, they lay just fine on pasture. The idea is to feed them all they want -- if they go hungry then they don't lay. Mine lay better when they get kefir too. If you feed them lots of cracked corn they might lay more (a farmer told me), but basically if you force them to lay by overfeeding they burn out quicker. How much they lay depends a lot on the breed -- the newer breeds lay a lot more, have less meat, and die easy (I had a couple -- I felt sorry for the poor little things). But mine produce plenty of eggs eating grass, chicken food, and leftovers. I'd guess they don't mention bugs because it would offend the ovo-vegetarians (and gross out a lot of other people). People think chickens are vegetarians, for some odd reason. BTW a pea-hen has adopted our porch (don't ask me where she came from, I don't know!) and I was reading to figure out what they eat. Turns out they really like hunting snakes! So much for vegetarian birds. Oh, and the cat question: the chickens are as big as a cat, and they ignore each other. If a chicken dies, the local cats will eat it though. There is no way a cat can get a healthy chicken -- they are strong and they fight! The dog tried to catch one once, and I dumped a bucket of water on his head, and he didn't do that again. Heidi S Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2003 Report Share Posted February 26, 2003 Quoting Heidi Schuppenhauer <heidis@...>: > I'd guess they don't mention bugs because it would offend the > ovo-vegetarians (and gross out a lot of other people). People think > chickens are vegetarians, for some odd reason. As a lacto-ovo-pesco-pollo-carno vegetarian, I'm appalled. " lacto-ovo-pesco- pollo-carno-insecto vegetarian " is an oxymoron! -- Berg bberg@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2003 Report Share Posted February 26, 2003 --- In , Idol <Idol@c...> wrote: > Suze- > > >and they > >said chickens don't eat more than 20% grass by choice. maybe it's just > >*their* chickens? > > Grass, maybe, but what about bugs? Chickens are supposed to eat lots of > bugs and grubs, though some breeds have been so damaged that they won't > touch them. > > > > > - ><><><><><>>>><>><>Don't forget there's green grass and bugs under aged cow patties, even today, in KS anyway. So maybe those chickens should be on a cow pasture(with cows) for healthier eggs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2003 Report Share Posted February 26, 2003 In a message dated 2/25/03 8:06:18 PM Eastern Standard Time, je@... writes: > so the other 30% is grains?? I assume so... I doubt a commercial farm would be giving them, oh, kitchen scraps. Grains are not a problem to worry about in chicken feed the way they are in ruminant animals. Ruminants can't handle even tiny amounts of grain; birds evolved eating grains, seeds, etc. Ideally the grain would be sprouted, but the difference with these eggs, eating bugs and worms and grass in any amount, and *any* other egg that's sold commercially is enormous. These are simply the best commercial eggs I've ever seen and wish they were around in my area. Chris ____ " What can one say of a soul, of a heart, filled with compassion? It is a heart which burns with love for every creature: for human beings, birds, and animals, for serpents and for demons. The thought of them and the sight of them make the tears of the saint flow. And this immense and intense compassion, which flows from the heart of the saints, makes them unable to bear the sight of the smallest, most insignificant wound in any creature. Thus they pray ceaselessly, with tears, even for animals, for enemies of the truth, and for those who do them wrong. " --Saint Isaac the Syrian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2003 Report Share Posted February 26, 2003 The chickens eating 70% pasture aren't eating 70% grass. They're eating some grass and a lot of bugs--which makes for terrific eggs, believe me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2003 Report Share Posted February 28, 2003 At 03:05 PM 2/25/03 -0800, you wrote: >does anyone here buy frenz eggs? ><http://www.frenzs.com/>www.frenzs.com > >are these eggs NT compatible if you do not have your own chickens and must >buy eggs from store? > >jen Found last night the author of Good Fat Cookbook recommends these in her best eggs. Wanita Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2003 Report Share Posted February 28, 2003 Wanita- >Found last night the author of Good Fat Cookbook recommends these in her best >eggs. Does she by any chance mention where in the States to *find* them? I emailed them, but I haven't heard back. - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2003 Report Share Posted February 28, 2003 At 11:27 AM 2/28/03 -0500, you wrote: , > >>Found last night the author of Good Fat Cookbook recommends these in her best >>eggs. > >Does she by any chance mention where in the States to *find* them? I >emailed them, but I haven't heard back. She says they're only available in health food markets on the west coast unfortunately.Adds they're not yet in the east. Notes their orange yolks. Barry Sears aside on the forward to this book. It's easily understandable, well set up and I've learned a lot from it. Of the 100 recipes there's a few that look good. She mentions Sally, WAP, Steffanson, Bruce Fife promotes raw milk, coconut, grass fed, fruit and vegetable antioxidants, CLA, downs soy and has some good sources. I'll be posting more on it. With this book as book of the month for the cookbook club it'll get the word out. Wanita Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2003 Report Share Posted February 28, 2003 In a message dated 2/28/03 11:29:05 AM Eastern Standard Time, Idol@... writes: > Does she by any chance mention where in the States to *find* them? I > emailed them, but I haven't heard back. Same here. I hate it when companies don't respond to my emails. Maybe they don't check email as often as Americans <g> Chris ____ " What can one say of a soul, of a heart, filled with compassion? It is a heart which burns with love for every creature: for human beings, birds, and animals, for serpents and for demons. The thought of them and the sight of them make the tears of the saint flow. And this immense and intense compassion, which flows from the heart of the saints, makes them unable to bear the sight of the smallest, most insignificant wound in any creature. Thus they pray ceaselessly, with tears, even for animals, for enemies of the truth, and for those who do them wrong. " --Saint Isaac the Syrian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2005 Report Share Posted December 30, 2005 When I need some quickly & locally, I usually go to the Wedge. Is it Harmony Farms? They had a wrapper around a generic egg carton. I think they came in on Thursdays. eggs? Anyone coming into town with eggs? Lynn? Or the woman in St. Cloud? Or where to find some? I need to get some eggs and guess don't really know where to get any good ones or fresh ones as I normally just ordered them. Any suggestions from anyone in the group? --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2005 Report Share Posted December 30, 2005 > When I need some quickly & locally, I usually go to the Wedge. Is >it Harmony Farms? They had a wrapper around a generic egg carton. I >think they came in on Thursdays. Tuesdays, actually. I forgot to check them before taking them out of the store, and was annoyed to find that this vendor sells very tiny eggs, almost as small as a pullet egg. Maybe they *were* pullet eggs. I can get big eggs from Moms or MVV for less than what Harmony wants for them, altho I realize the Wedge may be tacking on extra $ to sell them. I wax rhapsodic about the time I bartered a kombucha culture for 3 dozen fresh, unrefrigerated eggs from a farmer from up north who came to town for a medical appt. I posted to Craig's List that I had a culture, and she got ahold of me the next day. Her chickens are kept in a chicken run, and they can eat bugs, seeds etc. and scratch around like they ought to, and the eggs were hands-down the best. The honey she gave me was also dynamite... they place sliced oranges around their beehives so the bees can feed on them, and this gives the honey an orange flavor. It's amazing. I have the contact info still if people want to try contacting her. ~Joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2005 Report Share Posted December 30, 2005 The eggs I got from Harmony that time were very nice. Orange and large. I would still like to know how to reach the lady with the eggs and honey that are orange. Where are they from? inishglora wrote: >. . . the time I bartered a kombucha culture for 3 dozen fresh, unrefrigerated eggs from a farmer from up north who came to town for a medical appt. Her chickens are kept in a chicken run, and they can eat bugs, seeds etc. and scratch around like they ought to, and the eggs were hands-down the best. The honey she gave me was also dynamite... they place sliced oranges around their beehives so the bees can feed on them, and this gives the honey an orange flavor. It's amazing. I have the contact info still if people want to try contacting her. ~Joe --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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